When I first read the thread title I thought it was another Muleman Obama hate thread...... 😛

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Sounds to me like Gina hates freedom of religion. The US constitution guarantees freedom of religion. That will never go away. But freedom of religion means that people have equal freedom to worship whatever God they like, even if you personally don't agree with that religion. I will argue against anyone who tries to push a religion on others in through legislation. I will also defend any religion that is getting the short end of the stick. I don't care if someone is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Baha'i, Hendu or a member of the Church of Satan. All should be treated equally. I hope that there is never a day that people have to worship in secret, and I believe that will never happen in the USA.

Hating freedom of religion? Me? My own beliefs encompass parts of three religions. But the thing is all religions have God at their head, Satanists are agnostics who do not have God as their leader. So if anything it is a non religion because the tenets are based on an individuals will as their law of how to behave and live. So how can Satanism be considered a religion?

From the early beginnings Lucifer refused to obey/cooperate with God's mandate to bow down to Adam. I kind of agree with him there, a mortal man could not be worthy of worship unless he proved to have a totally pure essence, which would have to be proven over time. Adam was tempted and yielded to his own desires and the wiles of his woman (Eve). But the point God made was that since HE told Lucifer to bow down in subservience to Adam he was in disobedience to HIM which started the whole thing. As an angel Lucifer was more powerful than man, the angels were chosen by God to serve him, but Lucifer ultimately served himself, got fed up and took some others with him to start their own group.

I'm sorry you equate Satanism with a religion, because as I said each religion has God at the head of it, and Satanism does not, which makes it a non religion.

P.S. Even the Quran says that "the believers ad the Jews, Nazareans, and the Sabians whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and whoever does right, shall have reward with his Lord and will neither have fear nor regret" Al Baqarah (The Cow) Surah 2:62

The Nazarenes were the Essenes the group in modern day Syria where Jesus preached. There are more than 70 false sects of Judaism, 71 false Christian sects, 72 false Islamic sects, that is in the Quran also. There is only one God, in the beginning, Muhammad and the rest of the Muslims prayed toward Jerusalem, until they were told they were going to be separated from everyone else and were given a new direction to pray to. God knew they would be the most fervent and steadfast, so he separated them.

The US in it's desire to maintain peace, will eventually get rid of all religions. The Ten Commandments were already removed from the courthouses, prayers have been stopped in school (no more pledge of allegiance because it mentions God).

Satanism has no God so how is is it a religion?

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The US in it's desire to maintain peace, will eventually get rid of all religions. The Ten Commandments were already removed from the courthouses, prayers have been stopped in school (no more pledge of allegiance because it mentions God).

Satanism has no God so how is is it a religion?

Your precious Christiantiy is not going anywhere, stop feeling persecuted for absolutely no reason. The only religion that rings my doorbell, passes out pamphlets, preaches on the subway, and tries to shove it down everyone elses throat is Christianity. The Ten Commandments don't need to be plastered in every public place, especially considering 4 of them are regarding a Judeo-Christian individual's relationship with their God. Satanism has a deity, your "no God, no religion" is baseless semantics. Paganism is as much a religion as Christianity is.

Besides, that statue is BadAss.

I think George pretty much nails it in these two videos

Besides, that statue is BadAss.

How about a Pork Chop Bob short featuring that statue and Christians handing out pamphlets on the subway?

Besides, that statue is BadAss.

How about a Pork Chop Bob short featuring that statue and Christians handing out pamphlets on the subway?

Hmmm...we'll see...

HAIL SATAN!

From the early beginnings Lucifer refused to obey/cooperate with God's mandate to bow down to Adam. I kind of agree with him there

YOU KIND OF AGREE WITH SATAN!!!!!!! bURN THE WITCH !!!! hEReSY !!!! bURN!!!!! bURN!!!!

The human condition, throughout history, would be so much better off, and further advanced, without religion and the fervent belief in these imaginary beings. There's no god, no satan, no nobody out there watching all of this and pulling puppet strings. There's just us, making up boogeymen and saviors when things go bump in the night.

The US in it's desire to maintain peace, will eventually get rid of all religions. The Ten Commandments were already removed from the courthouses, prayers have been stopped in school (no more pledge of allegiance because it mentions God).

Satanism has no God so how is is it a religion?

Your precious Christiantiy is not going anywhere, stop feeling persecuted for absolutely no reason. The only religion that rings my doorbell, passes out pamphlets, preaches on the subway, and tries to shove it down everyone elses throat is Christianity. The Ten Commandments don't need to be plastered in every public place, especially considering 4 of them are regarding a Judeo-Christian individual's relationship with their God. Satanism has a deity, your "no God, no religion" is baseless semantics. Paganism is as much a religion as Christianity is.

Besides, that statue is BadAss.

actually, gina's Muslim.

There are more than 70 false sects of Judaism, 71 false Christian sects, 72 false Islamic sects

zat so? Sounds like you got the inside numbers on this thing. Ok, then, how many TRUE Judaic / Christian / Muslim sects are out there, since you seem to be so sure of the count?

What kind of sects do you prefer? Let's say you are a religion, would you have a lot of sects? Would you use scripture or would you have oral sects? Would there be a lot of missionary sects? Or would it just be false sects?

Tell us all about the good sects, please. Thank you.

The human condition, throughout history, would be so much better off, and further advanced, without religion and the fervent belief in these imaginary beings. There's no god, no satan, no nobody out there watching all of this and pulling puppet strings. There's just us, making up boogeymen and saviors when things go bump in the night.

Who created the world?

There are more than 70 false sects of Judaism, 71 false Christian sects, 72 false Islamic sects

zat so? Sounds like you got the inside numbers on this thing. Ok, then, how many TRUE Judaic / Christian / Muslim sects are out there, since you seem to be so sure of the count?

What kind of sects do you prefer? Let's say you are a religion, would you have a lot of sects? Would you use scripture or would you have oral sects? Would there be a lot of missionary sects? Or would it just be false sects?

Tell us all about the good sects, please. Thank you.

70, 71, 72. That sequence of numbers is one of the apocalyptic signs that the Cubs will win the pennant. 😮

Who created the world?

The real question is: Who created YOUR world?

There are more than 70 false sects of Judaism, 71 false Christian sects, 72 false Islamic sects

zat so? Sounds like you got the inside numbers on this thing. Ok, then, how many TRUE Judaic / Christian / Muslim sects are out there, since you seem to be so sure of the count?

What kind of sects do you prefer? Let's say you are a religion, would you have a lot of sects? Would you use scripture or would you have oral sects? Would there be a lot of missionary sects? Or would it just be false sects?

Tell us all about the good sects, please. Thank you.

There is but ONE true sect in those religions. One true sect of Judaism, one true sect of Christiainty, one true sect of Islam. the count of the others comes from the Quran which was the last guidance given to any group of people. They do not deny Jesus, or Mary or an of the prophets included Noah, Moses, Zechariah etc.

As a religion, the written words must be adhered to. They can be passed down by recitation for those who cannot read and write but they must not be changed. Missionaries have served the needs of Christianity in the same way that madrassahs have served Islam. There are mistakes and false doctrines and practices being carried out in all the religions. I prefer everyone united under one banner, which requires looking at the teachings given to Abraham, and looking at what the prophets and messengers were given to bring to their people.

God is everyone's Father. Jesus was Mary's son, he was born from her, he was given a perfect spirit and was given knowledge of his mission, to help the Jewish people. He taught his apostles/disciples the ways God wanted them to know. He was the embodiment of God in a human body. He did not seek to be worshipped as God, he called out to God wile he was on the cross, if he himself was God he would not have needed to call out to anyone else; and the name he used to call him was the same name that God told Abraham to call him. IL. (pronounced eel). Jesus's name in the Aramaic he spoke is pronounced E-show. Spelled Eshoa. The Jews call him Yeshua, which is the Hebrew Aramaic dialect.

At the time of Jesus, the Disciples spoke Galilean Aramaic, but the High Priests of Jerusalem spoke Hebrew Aramaic. Ancient Aramaic comes from the Ashurit cuneiform of Nineveh (ca. 800 BC). Nineveh is in Northern Iraq and Isis today is killing any of the Nazerene's who have followed the original teachings of Jesus. Jesus's sect was the Nazarenes/Essenes. There are people today in Mosul who are some of his followers back from those times.

So as to which sects are correct, I would say the Nazarenes who have maintained what they were given from back in those days are correct, though it is difficult if not impossible to speak with them. There are Chaldeans in Syria who speak Aramaic but that is not the same.

There will be many people who unite and are misguided, if you find a sect that goes back to the original teachings, and I know of one in Afghanistan - not sure if they are talibs affiliated with Mullah Omar or not, but there is a legacy among them. They follow some Judaic traditions along with Muslim traditions. In 615 A.D. the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad had sympathies with the Christians rather than the Persians (modern day Iranians) during those times.

All people can do is learn all they can, and hold onto the truth when they find it, and teach those who wish to learn from them. Look at what was given to each group, find the truth and cling to that.

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Who created the world?

The real question is: Who created YOUR world?

I am quite sure God created my world and me. Now tell me who created yours?

As to the church or temple of satan, all you can do is bring the message, they must have free will to accept or not accept it. The approach of the Westboro Church is fanatical. towards Islam. It is an example of what can happen on a larger scale as satan's churches/temples become widespread and they will become widespread. Violence does not change anyone's beliefs. Submission does not means conversion.

The freemasons have rituals, which has been reported as having Baphomet at it's head. If the church of satan does not have a god or idol that they worship, why the need for the statue?

One of their tenets is:

We embrace blasphemy as a legitimate expression of personal independence from counter-productive traditional norms.

Another is:

Satan is symbolic of the Eternal Rebel in opposition to arbitrary authority, forever defending personal sovereignty even in the face of insurmountable odds. Satan is an icon for the unbowed will of the unsilenced inquirer.

Many will be deceived that is my point, above all the other points.

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After years of struggle I no longer have to fight my inner demons. I'm on their side now.

There is but ONE true sect in those religions. One true sect of Judaism, one true sect of Christiainty, one true sect of Islam.

So there are three true sects? One from each?

Yes there is one from each that maintained what they were given.

Satan here in the US - The Unveiling

Satan is everywhere. At least whenever he decides to take a vacation from his primary residence, which I assume is some hellhole in Iraq or Syria.

The human condition, throughout history, would be so much better off, and further advanced, without religion and the fervent belief in these imaginary beings. There's no god, no satan, no nobody out there watching all of this and pulling puppet strings. There's just us, making up boogeymen and saviors when things go bump in the night.

Who created the world?

No almighty personage, but a confluence of matter, gravity, time (billions of years) and chemistry. That is all of which there is any true objective evidence. The concept of god as a creator of everything and arbiter of behavior is a human construct conceived in a time when superstition and fear of the unknown ruled, before science and thought provided avenues of objectively examining the world around us, when eclipses meant the moon was going to disappear and the world, flat as it was, was going to end. There is absolutely no evidence of a supreme creator/judge/overseer beyond speculation and human imagination. Most of the time this abhorrent whim has been used to instill fear, foster obeisance, seize riches and sow hatred toward others who have a different "god" concept that they have been force-fed since childhood.

Ok, so for those three sects to all be true they must all believe the same thing. So why don't they all join up and become one sect? What makes them different enough to be separate?

If there are differences, then two must be false, and one must be the truth. Which one could it be, I wonder?

And, according to your research, it is only the people in these three sects that will be spared God's wrath on the Day of Judgement? Makes sense, right, since they are THE ONLY TRUE SECTS.

In that case, which one should I join to keep the pitchfork off my butt? I can't decide, because all three are true, and ANYONE OUTSIDE THESE SECTS IS FALSE, correct?

Which one do you belong to? Or are you going to fry like the rest of us false misguided losers? If you don't belong to one of these three true sects, you are false, you said it yourself.

Or, if it is simply a matter of picking and choosing whatever suits your fancy from all three, and you will be judged according to your own personally customized religious beliefs, THEN WHY DOES IT MATTER AT ALL IF THERE ARE ANY TRUE OR FALSE SECTS OR RELIGIONS? You can just make it all up and judge yourself, and dispense with God altogether, because God is pleased that you cherrypicked His True Word from the pile of conflicting beliefs.

Please recommend the sect that will save me. Thank you.

Satan here in the US - The Unveiling

Satan is everywhere. At least whenever he decides to take a vacation from his primary residence, which I assume is some hellhole in Iraq or Syria.

It's in Cleveland.

Ok, so for those three sects to all be true they must all believe the same thing. So why don't they all join up and become one sect? What makes them different enough to be separate?

If there are differences, then two must be false, and one must be the truth. Which one could it be, I wonder?

And, according to your research, it is only the people in these three sects that will be spared God's wrath on the Day of Judgement? Makes sense, right, since they are THE ONLY TRUE SECTS.

In that case, which one should I join to keep the pitchfork off my butt? I can't decide, because all three are true, and ANYONE OUTSIDE THESE SECTS IS FALSE, correct?

Which one do you belong to? Or are you going to fry like the rest of us false misguided losers? If you don't belong to one of these three true sects, you are false, you said it yourself.

Or, if it is simply a matter of picking and choosing whatever suits your fancy from all three, and you will be judged according to your own personally customized religious beliefs, THEN WHY DOES IT MATTER AT ALL IF THERE ARE ANY TRUE OR FALSE SECTS OR RELIGIONS? You can just make it all up and judge yourself, and dispense with God altogether, because God is pleased that you cherrypicked His True Word from the pile of conflicting beliefs.

Please recommend the sect that will save me. Thank you.

The differences between the sects exist because of organized religion. Jesus himself was a Jew, yet Christianity ended up coming into being because of him. The original Church of the East, which maintained his doctrines went thru much. Example:

https://www.oikoumene.org/en/member-churches/holy-apostolic-catholic-assyrian-church-of-the-east

That's right the original peoples who migrated to Afghanistan did not start out as Muslims. They came from two tribes, two of the twelve Jewish tribes, the tribe of Benjamin and the tribe of Bani Israel. Some of them landed in Kashmir, India and then migrated later on thru Pakistan and then Afghanistan.

My best advice is learn about Jesus his ancient beginnings and what he taught, where he travelled, how he lived. Abraham spoke Aramaic, and he was here before Jesus. The truth will be in those regions from those who preserved what was handed down to them. He was a Nazarene. Look into that, learn from that. The Essenes were a sect that developed after him, they separated themselves from the people choosing to live a separate existence in closed communities.

There are remnants of Jesus's original church in Iraq, and in Turkey. From what I have read he himself was not in Syria, though some of the people who followed him migrated/ended up there, they still call themselves Nazarenes.

I can't say this one church here in the US is the true one. I haven't found it yet. If you want to find the truth, God will lead you to it. I'm still on my journey. You start where you are. I can tell you that in the battle to slay the anti-Christ, Jesus will have Muslims with him, they will be from the true sect. He will have it really bad, he will be sent to rescue the Jews who will be deceived and under the rule of the anti-Christ, 80,000 troops will be sent to kill him. The Muslim prophecies are aligned with the Biblical ones in Ezekiel Chapter 38. How can that be? One God, gave guidance to all the different sects of people who created religions out of it.

If you want to bypass religion altogether, go with what was given to Abraham. God doesn't ask all that much from anyone, pray at at dawn, in the evening as the sun goes down. Give in charity, do good deeds, try to purify yourself as much as possible and don't do the things lists as forbidden. Even if you just followed what he gave to Noah (on the ten commandments), that would help you. He doesn't ask you to recite word for word from any book. It is more important you know how to live and treat other people. You can read the books, learn what he likes, doesn't like. All religions will tell you things. If it was not given to the three, then a religion itself changed it.

Jesus's original church:

"It survived the persecution of the Roman Church under Constantine and the early Emperors of Rome in the 4th and 5th centuries. It survived the persecution of the Crusaders who attacked the Holy Lands in subsequent centuries. Finally, this early Church ended up in Persia and was protected by the Persian kings until the upheavals of the Islamic conquests starting in the 7th Century drove the Ancient Church of the East into the mountain strongholds of Asia Minor (Ottoman Empire and later Turkey). The Church of the East survived and maintained the Scriptures in the original language all through the conquests of the Mongolians (Genghis Khan)"

The Assyrian Church was represented at the Council of Nicea in 325. The Nicene Creed is the universally received faith of the church. With regard to the teaching of Nestorius, the Church of the East maintains that Jesus Christ is Son of God and Son of Man, two qnome united in one Sonship. All the documents of the church are in Aramaic, utilizing the Nestorian Syriac script. The sacred rites of the Church of the East include the pre-431 rite of Addai and Mari, together with other texts.

In the 16th century a split occurred in the Church of the East. A part of the church which became known as the Chaldean Catholic Church joined the Roman Catholic Church. Another, smaller group separated in the second half of the 20th century and took the name Ancient Church of the East, under its own patriarch who resides in Baghdad.

Remarks: The wars, the migrations, the religions and changes they made is why people are confused today. But part of his original church is in IRAQ.

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Anyone who wants to pray this is the prayer that Jesus prayed translated from the Aramaic.

"... Our heavenly Father, hallowed is your name.
Your Kingdom is come. Your will is done,
As in heaven so also on earth.
Give us the bread for our daily need.
And leave us serene,
just as we also allowed others serenity.
And do not pass us through trial,
except separate us from the evil one.
For yours is the Kingdom,
the Power and the Glory
To the end of the universe, of all the universes." Amen!

It comes from Matthew 6:9-13, though when they translated it, they changed it to the version that is in most Bibles today.

There are Muslim prayers I also offer up as the Prophet did and recommended. I'll put them up for anyone who wants to pray.

Falaq
I seek refuge with the Lord of the rising day
From the evil of what he has created
And the evil of the darkness when it overspreads
From the evil of the sorcerers who blow incantations into knots,
And From the evil of the envier when he envies.

Nas
I seek refuge with the Lord of men, the King of men, the God of men
From the evil of him who breathes temptations into the minds of men
Who suggests evil thoughts to the hearts of men
From among jinns and men.

Ikhlas
He is God, the one, the most unique, imminently indispensable.
He has begotten no one, and is begotten of none.
There is none comparable to him.

So Hindus, Sikhs, and Buddhists aren't invited to this party? Only western religions?

And what in the world was God up to when he was making nothing but dinosaurs for 130 million years?

and seriously, how freakin' cool is this statue?