I don't know what the law states, but in my opinion if your gun is used in a crime, you should be held liable. If that was thenlaw, then many people might take better care to keep their firearms locked away from their kids.

I am not aware of liability laws even in my own state.

I would be more likely to agree the gun owner could be held liable than the manufacturer or seller of the weapon. The manufacturer has no direct relationship with the buyer and have no way of knowing the person who will eventually buy their product and what it's use will be. The seller complies with whatever state or federal laws govern the sale which is all they can legally be expected to do. The owner then is where the responsibility kicks in for keeping the firearm safe and how it will ultimately be used.

I can think of several problematic situations that making the gun owner liable if their weapon is used in a crime in every instance. But in general if there was framework for gun owners to follow and they did not follow such and their gun was used in a crime, I would say in general yes, they should share atleast some liability.

I don't know what the law states, but in my opinion if your gun is used in a crime, you should be held liable. If that was thenlaw, then many people might take better care to keep their firearms locked away from their kids.

Right. How many of the black people murdered by gun in the cities run by Democrats have had their killers prosecuted?

If people have NRA training their guns would be properly locked up.
How many criminals who use guns have had NRA training?

I don't know what the law states, but in my opinion if your gun is used in a crime, you should be held liable. If that was thenlaw, then many people might take better care to keep their firearms locked away from their kids.

Right. How many of the black people murdered by gun in the cities run by Democrats have had their killers prosecuted?

If people have NRA training their guns would be properly locked up.
How many criminals who use guns have had NRA training?

Not sure why you decided to turn this into a racist and political post, but yes you should be required to have gun safety training in order to purchase or own firearms, regardless of race or political affiliation.

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If people have NRA training their guns would be properly locked up.
How many criminals who use guns have had NRA training?

NRA training in what, being an idiotic, self-entitled, d!ckhead? Because that's what I see the NRA leadership conduct themselves as...............Peace..........joe

Will this kid's Father be legally liable for allowing his son access to his weapons?

Great question Rob and my response is YES. Let's start holding the parents responsible for the murderous acts of their CHILDREN. The media should alert the public of their identities. Immediately. What kind of human being have you raised?...Billboards, news casts. shame these parents into a Public apology. Send them to prison.

What kind of child kills others kids?...Either it is the fault of the Parents or the child needs mental help. Pick your poison.

Time for a new paradigm.

If you are not prepared to be responsible for storing your weapons in a manner to keep them out of the hands of others, then you are not responsible enough to own a firearm. Period, end of discussion.

I don't know what the law states, but in my opinion if your gun is used in a crime, you should be held liable. If that was thenlaw, then many people might take better care to keep their firearms locked away from their kids.

Right. How many of the black people murdered by gun in the cities run by Democrats have had their killers prosecuted?

If people have NRA training their guns would be properly locked up.
How many criminals who use guns have had NRA training?

Not sure why you decided to turn this into a racist and political post, but yes you should be required to have gun safety training in order to purchase or own firearms, regardless of race or political affiliation.

Because he’s muleturd. He is incapable of answering any question that casts a shadow of doubt on his beloved NRA or republican values.
Funny thing is if you post on his threads he accuses you of being a coward or too stupid to stick to the thread topic. Yet in a thread that has NOTHING to do with political affiliation he tries to steer the conversation that way and has to make an obligatory racist comment, pathetic excuse for a human being.

If you are not prepared to be responsible for storing your weapons in a manner to keep them out of the hands of others, then you are not responsible enough to own a firearm. Period, end of discussion.

Bingo. Funny thing is you'd be surprised how careless people can be. A friend of mine who's a big time 2nd amendment type ("you can own a Barrett Gun because the 2A says you can") told me he found a pistol he'd misplaced and forgot about. Then he mentions when his nieces and nephews come to visit, they run all over the house... good thing the %^&$# thing wasn't loaded.

Will this kid's Father be legally liable for allowing his son access to his weapons?

Great question Rob and my response is YES. Let's start holding the parents responsible for the murderous acts of their CHILDREN. The media should alert the public of their identities. Immediately. What kind of human being have you raised?...Billboards, news casts. shame these parents into a Public apology. Send them to prison.

What kind of child kills others kids?...Either it is the fault of the Parents or the child needs mental help. Pick your poison.

Time for a new paradigm.

Wow so a kid commits a crime, you suggest public shaming + imprisonment for the parents?

Sounds like extreme GET OFF MY LAWN to me, Hitler Edition.

I guess out of desperation to keep their guns, conservatives are now just blurting out the first dumb thing that comes to mind? Arm teachers, public shaming and prison for the parents. Anything but the guns!!

You are a piece of work. To disagree with you or to present an idea contrary to your belief system makes one either a racist, dumb or a "Hitler"....so sad.

No wonder Trump won the Presidency.

You are a piece of work. To disagree with you or to present an idea contrary to your belief system makes one either a racist, dumb or a "Hitler"....so sad.

He made those comments about the topic of our children being mass murdered in school. If he made these comments about tax reform, then maybe you’d have a point. Your suggestion doesnt hold water.

No wonder Trump won the Presidency.

Let me get this straight. During Obama, the right felt attacked by liberal name-calling. To counter the name-calling, and to show they are better than the left, the right chooses Trump. This is where i don't understand your theory. Why is Trump the right’s answer to that problem?

You are a piece of work. To disagree with you or to present an idea contrary to your belief system makes one either a racist, dumb or a "Hitler"....so sad.

He made those comments about the topic of our children being mass murdered in school. If he made these comments about tax reform, then maybe you’d have a point. Your suggestion doesnt hold water.

No wonder Trump won the Presidency.

Let me get this straight. During Obama, the right felt attacked by liberal name-calling. To counter the name-calling, and to show they are better than the left, the right chooses Trump. This is where i don't understand your theory. Why is Trump the right’s answer to that problem?

I don't have an opinion as to why "he was the answer" I did not vote for him. My point is/was that the post I quoted above had a lot to do with his being elected, there was no conversation, no dialogue whatsoever.

Back to the thread, I do believe parents should be held accountable for the actions of their children, especially when said child walks into a School and kills his classmates. That my friend is the epitome of bad parenting.

I don't have an opinion as to why "he was the answer" I did not vote for him. My point is/was that the post I quoted above had a lot to do with his being elected, there was no conversation, no dialogue whatsoever.

So then you DO have an opinion about it. Your opinion is that the quoted post has a lot to do with him being elected. Why?

Back to the thread, I do believe parents should be held accountable for the actions of their children, especially when said child walks into a School and kills his classmates. That my friend is the epitome of bad parenting.

If they didn’t lock their guns securely according to state law, then yes. But to “hold parents accountable for the actions of their children”? Sounds a bit fascist to me, and impossible to determine or regulate. But if these particular parents failed to secure them, then yes, they should be held accountable.

Let me get this straight. During Obama, the right felt attacked by liberal name-calling. To counter the name-calling, and to show they are better than the left, the right chooses Trump. This is where i don't understand your theory. Why is Trump the right’s answer to that problem?

They felt attacked by pressure of growing societal norms like treating people equally regardless of skin color, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Stuff you can roll into what's historically been called "political correctness". You know, wacko liberal-type stuff.

Donald Trump is the right's big fat middle finger at political correctness. Thanks for the reminder, BIGV.

And yes, the idea of throwing parents in jail for "bad parenting" sounds kinda fascist to me, and yes Hitler was a fascist so if the shoe fits...

Stupid analogy.

If someone's car is stolen and that car is subsequently involved in a fatal car accident, the owner of the car is not liable.

A much better analogy. Thanks for clearing that one up.

Let me get this straight. During Obama, the right felt attacked by liberal name-calling. To counter the name-calling, and to show they are better than the left, the right chooses Trump. This is where i don't understand your theory. Why is Trump the right’s answer to that problem?

They felt attacked by pressure of growing societal norms like treating people equally regardless of skin color, religion, sexual orientation, etc. Stuff you can roll into what's historically been called "political correctness". You know, wacko liberal-type stuff.

Donald Trump is the right's big fat middle finger at political correctness. Thanks for the reminder, BIGV.

And yes, the idea of throwing parents in jail for "bad parenting" sounds kinda fascist to me, and yes Hitler was a fascist so if the shoe fits...

Stupid analogy.

If someone's car is stolen and that car is subsequently involved in a fatal car accident, the owner of the car is not liable.

What if that car is used by one of the owner's kids?

Donald Trump is the right's big fat middle finger at political correctness.

Is that not awesome? Now people can be judged on what they actually say, not what people can interpret as "What he meant to say"...because someone might get upset with an honest exchange. "Political correctness" what a crock. May it never return.

And yes, the idea of throwing parents in jail for "bad parenting" sounds kinda fascist to me, and yes Hitler was a fascist so if the shoe fits...

Not just "Bad Parenting"...Raising a Murderer. If your kid beats up another kid in school and breaks his nose, who pays?...Who is responsible? Now, elevate that to mass murder. How "F"n blind have you been to your Child's social problems, that you have a gun in the house? Think about that for a moment...it's gotta be tough to come to the realization that your child is different. Either you did a real shi^^y job raising him or he needs Mental health counseling. Either way, it is on the Parent because the Person who shot and killed those kids, is a Child. Who is in charge here?

But to “hold parents accountable for the actions of their children”? Sounds a bit fascist to me, and impossible to determine or regulate. But if these particular parents failed to secure them, then yes, they should be held accountable.

"But"...lol

Either it's "Fascist" or it is not. Either they are accountable or, they are not.

"But"...lol

Are you laughing at your elementary writing that warranted that distinction? Do you not understand why your post was inarticulate?

Either it's "Fascist" or it is not. Either they are accountable or, they are not.

If he got the gun from his parents who failed to lock it properly, then I’d support they should be accountable. If he got a gun on his own and killed someone, holding the parents legally accountable sounds fascist to me. If you don’t make those types of distinctions, then you aren’t really saying too much.

Political correctness could only be unpopular with those who have trouble articulating their honest thoughts in a manner which demonstrates inherent respect for others.

You, are certainly entitled to your opinion, I respectively disagree.

Having an irrational focus on illegal immigrants, for example, will naturally cause rational folks to wonder why you're so focused on one group of people and not another. Is it racism? Probably!

Irrational?...lol. Once again you are certainly entitled to your own opinion.

Become a more culturally tolerant person and political correctness shouldn't be a problem for you anymore.

Practice what you preach. "Tolerance"...Don't make me laugh. Who is the one throwing terms like Racist, Fascist, Hitler like and dumb around?..All because someone has a different view than yours. Where is the Tolerance?..Oh, I get it, you only "tolerate" views that......please.

Or just keep voting for jerkoffs like Donald Trump who make it easier and more socially acceptable for people like you to be culturally intolerant. I guess that's easier for ya eh?

Once again, I did not vote for him, typical for you to think that though.

All because someone has a different view than yours.

This is such a childish simplistic interpretation, lol.

All because someone has a different view than yours.

This is such a childish simplistic interpretation, lol.

This is exactly what is happening. lol

That’s how you feel apparently.

That’s how you feel apparently.

Well, to be honest, I keep forgetting that when attempting to engage a tolerant Liberal in conversation, I must be careful not to espouse an opinion that differs from theirs....

Political correctness is weak and stupid, and its awesome that Trump is giving it all the middle finger. But when a liberal is politically incorrect with name-calling, you unravel over someone saying such things! Whatever helps you sleep at night. You sound confused.

Political correctness is weak and stupid, and its awesome that Trump is giving it all the middle finger. But when a liberal is politically incorrect with name-calling, you unravel over someone saying such things! Whatever helps you sleep at night. You sound confused.

There is always the possibility of a simple exchange of ideas and tolerating those that differ from yours....

..... and there is allowing it to descend to name calling. There is no confusing where you stand.

Political correctness is weak and stupid, and its awesome that Trump is giving it all the middle finger. But when a liberal is politically incorrect with name-calling, you unravel over someone saying such things! Whatever helps you sleep at night. You sound confused.

I'm not even sure what politically correct is any more. When Trump does "it" his fans applaud. When Kaepernick or Kathy Griffin does it, Trump fans have a cow. It seems that not being PC when insulting liberals or disabled people is ok, but not being PC when not standing for the anthem or insulting a white president is out of bounds.

I'm not even sure what politically correct is any more

Nailed it. It is a broad catch-all buzz word that is meaningless. Seems to be mostly used as a defense of rude behavior.

But Brer, you are being intolerant of people having a different opinion than you do, lol.