This is an interesting discussion on how many guns owned illegally are used to commit crimes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walker-bragman/gun-myths_b_2585941.html
A bit overwhelming of a fact.......Once you own a gun for protection you've made a decision that you are willing to take a life.
Does every legal gun owners have the same level of restraint to know when that line has been crossed for them to go ahead and decide taking a life is the thing to do????
I would tend to think that after you've made terms with that fact the next step is a little easier....if you're seriously mentally imbalanced that makes the likelihood even more a possibility
Conflict resolution is the root problem to mass shootings. It seems there is a whole generation of people that don't know how to resolve conflict without violence.
At one time most carried guns. Why at some point did we collective as a society decide that no longer worked and why, if the experiment has already played out, would we want to return to that way of life??
Mental illness is almost entirely the cause of mass shootings not conflict resolution.
That's what conservatives keep saying, yet they always are apposed to enhanced background checks that would check for such things.
I don't think that's the case. I certainly don't. But I also know that these background checks though valid and appropriate would have a miniscule impact on gun deaths in this country most of which are caused by criminals and people with illegal guns mainly in cities.
This is not about inner city gang violence doughron. This is about the deranged suburban folk who get them legally.
This is an interesting discussion on how many guns owned illegally are used to commit crimes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walker-bragman/gun-myths_b_2585941.html
A bit overwhelming of a fact.......Once you own a gun for protection you've made a decision that you are willing to take a life.
Does every legal gun owners have the same level of restraint to know when that line has been crossed for them to go ahead and decide taking a life is the thing to do????
I would tend to think that after you've made terms with that fact the next step is a little easier....if you're seriously mentally imbalanced that makes the likelihood even more a possibility
Conflict resolution is the root problem to mass shootings. It seems there is a whole generation of people that don't know how to resolve conflict without violence.
At one time most carried guns. Why at some point did we collective as a society decide that no longer worked and why, if the experiment has already played out, would we want to return to that way of life??
Mental illness is almost entirely the cause of mass shootings not conflict resolution.
That's what conservatives keep saying, yet they always are apposed to enhanced background checks that would check for such things.
I don't think that's the case. I certainly don't. But I also know that these background checks though valid and appropriate would have a miniscule impact on gun deaths in this country most of which are caused by criminals and people with illegal guns mainly in cities.
Define "miniscule." There are over 30,000 gun deaths in the US each year, and that figure is rising. Even a "miniscule" impact could save hundreds if not thousands of lives.
In this instance a nurse used poor judgement by aiding and abetting her developmentally disabled son to have access to weapons that he did not have the emotional/intellectual capacity to use for their intended purpose which is self defense. The child used the weapon to release his frustrations because he was unable to cope with his feelings.
The Mother KNEW he was disabled as he had been previously enrolled in a school for developmentally disabled. That means he was tested and evaluated. Therefore she KNEW he had a problem, yet she chose not to be a responsible gun owner.
What law new would have prevented this tragedy?
[Edited on 10/10/2015 by gina]
Is it currently a crime to provide firearms one's developmentally disabled son? If not, there should be. How about life without parole since her actions contributed to the deaths of all those innocent students?
You classify the woman as having "poor judgement". How do you know she isn't bat crap crazy? How often do gun owners have to undergo psychiatric evaluations? Perhaps a law requiring mental evaluations and safety classes could have stopped these murders?
And what about a law limiting the amount of guns any one person can own? I have no problems with separate rules for "collectors". Of course collectors would have to carry a different license.
I'm curious as to why you think new laws will have no effect?
Billy, because that would be inconvenient for me to get a gun, and I won't stand for that. To be inconvenienced takes away my rights as an American, and that's most important. Plus, it won't stop ALL of them, so why bother?
This is an interesting discussion on how many guns owned illegally are used to commit crimes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walker-bragman/gun-myths_b_2585941.html
A bit overwhelming of a fact.......Once you own a gun for protection you've made a decision that you are willing to take a life.
Does every legal gun owners have the same level of restraint to know when that line has been crossed for them to go ahead and decide taking a life is the thing to do????
I would tend to think that after you've made terms with that fact the next step is a little easier....if you're seriously mentally imbalanced that makes the likelihood even more a possibility
Conflict resolution is the root problem to mass shootings. It seems there is a whole generation of people that don't know how to resolve conflict without violence.
At one time most carried guns. Why at some point did we collective as a society decide that no longer worked and why, if the experiment has already played out, would we want to return to that way of life??
Mental illness is almost entirely the cause of mass shootings not conflict resolution.
That's what conservatives keep saying, yet they always are apposed to enhanced background checks that would check for such things.
I don't think that's the case. I certainly don't. But I also know that these background checks though valid and appropriate would have a miniscule impact on gun deaths in this country most of which are caused by criminals and people with illegal guns mainly in cities.
Define "miniscule." There are over 30,000 gun deaths in the US each year, and that figure is rising. Even a "miniscule" impact could save hundreds if not thousands of lives.
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The cute little graphic above is from Walker Bragman a cartoonist and far-left blogger.
Bragman purports the standard liberal rhetoric and then pontificates around that false data.
According to the FBI and law enforcement, by far the majority of gun crimes are committed by criminals using illegally obtained firearms.
Unable or unwilling to offer solutions to the actual causes of gun crimes the left continues to call for the disarming of the citizens. This of course will not stop the gun crimes.
Enforcing the gun laws already on the books and fixing the broken federal background check system (while also tying in mental health records) will greatly reduce gun crimes. Disarming the citizens will simply get more innocent people killed.
BTW, enforcing the law in the responsibility of the administration who to date have failed to do so.
Until the left acknowledges the facts and agrees to actually fix that which is broken, thousands will continue to be murdered.
Enforcing the gun laws already on the books and fixing the broken federal background check system (while also tying in mental health records) will greatly reduce gun crimes. Disarming the citizens will simply get more innocent people killed.
BTW, enforcing the law in the responsibility of the administration who to date have failed to do so.
Until the left acknowledges the facts and agrees to actually fix that which is broken, thousands will continue to be murdered.
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
[Edited on 10/10/2015 by Sang]
Whatever happens with the laws, this problem will be with us for a while. Guns are ubiquitous, and seem to be mostly deployed by spree killers in crowded public places.
Any other life-threatening thing out there would be dealt with defensively. e.g. Fire is a threat, public buildings install alarms and sprayers. Repeating myself here because I don't see any practical ideas, other than extreme defensive measures.
While the political arguments rage on endlessly, there is a way to at least slow down the gun rampage, in the short term:
Metal detectors, every public building, every entrance, and fast dispatch security to back them up!
Enforcing the gun laws already on the books and fixing the broken federal background check system (while also tying in mental health records) will greatly reduce gun crimes. Disarming the citizens will simply get more innocent people killed.
BTW, enforcing the law in the responsibility of the administration who to date have failed to do so.
Until the left acknowledges the facts and agrees to actually fix that which is broken, thousands will continue to be murdered.
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
[Edited on 10/10/2015 by Sang]
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Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
- The NRA does not oppose fixing the background check system. The NRA does oppose legislation that does not actually fix the broken system and is written with so many loopholes that it would be intrusive on private law abiding citizens. Every time some politician proposes a background check system change it is wrapped into a gun control law meant to disarm law abiding citizens.
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
- The Republicans do not “own” the House and the Senate. Any bill proposed by The Republicans is filibustered by the Democrats and dies in The Senate or Obama says he will veto it. In this particular case the Democrats refuse to support any gun related bill that does not include taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
Show us Obama’s or the Democrats clean bill fixing the background check system. Don’t look to hard, you are not going to find it. The liberals are all mouth and no action on the gun issue.
Enforcing the gun laws already on the books and fixing the broken federal background check system (while also tying in mental health records) will greatly reduce gun crimes. Disarming the citizens will simply get more innocent people killed.
BTW, enforcing the law in the responsibility of the administration who to date have failed to do so.
Until the left acknowledges the facts and agrees to actually fix that which is broken, thousands will continue to be murdered.
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
[Edited on 10/10/2015 by Sang]
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Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
- The NRA does not oppose fixing the background check system. The NRA does oppose legislation that does not actually fix the broken system and is written with so many loopholes that it would be intrusive on private law abiding citizens. Every time some politician proposes a background check system change it is wrapped into a gun control law meant to disarm law abiding citizens.
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
- The Republicans do not “own” the House and the Senate. Any bill proposed by The Republicans is filibustered by the Democrats and dies in The Senate or Obama says he will veto it. In this particular case the Democrats refuse to support any gun related bill that does not include taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
Show us Obama’s or the Democrats clean bill fixing the background check system. Don’t look to hard, you are not going to find it. The liberals are all mouth and no action on the gun issue.
If you read this NRA's own website here: https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/ It says they think backgroun d checks as they exist ,today are good enough and they oppose any new background checks. Read it yourself - it's straight from the NRA.
If they and the Republicans think that mental health is the issue, then why don't they introduce a bill that just covers just that part? The Democrats wouldn't oppose it. Obama would sign it since it is some progress. The reason is that the NRA is against it, and Republicans are scared of the NRA. Plain and simple, if Republicans think that mentally ill people should be restricted from buying weapons, then they should at least work on legislation for that. Otherwise, they need to stop saying that these school shootings are due to mental health issues.
Enforcing the gun laws already on the books and fixing the broken federal background check system (while also tying in mental health records) will greatly reduce gun crimes. Disarming the citizens will simply get more innocent people killed.
BTW, enforcing the law in the responsibility of the administration who to date have failed to do so.
Until the left acknowledges the facts and agrees to actually fix that which is broken, thousands will continue to be murdered.
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
[Edited on 10/10/2015 by Sang]
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Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
- The NRA does not oppose fixing the background check system. The NRA does oppose legislation that does not actually fix the broken system and is written with so many loopholes that it would be intrusive on private law abiding citizens. Every time some politician proposes a background check system change it is wrapped into a gun control law meant to disarm law abiding citizens.
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
- The Republicans do not “own” the House and the Senate. Any bill proposed by The Republicans is filibustered by the Democrats and dies in The Senate or Obama says he will veto it. In this particular case the Democrats refuse to support any gun related bill that does not include taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
Show us Obama’s or the Democrats clean bill fixing the background check system. Don’t look to hard, you are not going to find it. The liberals are all mouth and no action on the gun issue.
If you read this NRA's own website here: https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/ It says they think backgroun d checks as they exist ,today are good enough and they oppose any new background checks. Read it yourself - it's straight from the NRA.
muleman doesn't care about what the NRA actually says, he only cares about what he can say they say. This is at least the 3rd or 4th time that someone has pointed this out to him and given him the link, which I doubt he's ever bothered to read. Don't you see he doesn't care about what is real or not?
Enforcing the gun laws already on the books and fixing the broken federal background check system (while also tying in mental health records) will greatly reduce gun crimes. Disarming the citizens will simply get more innocent people killed.
BTW, enforcing the law in the responsibility of the administration who to date have failed to do so.
Until the left acknowledges the facts and agrees to actually fix that which is broken, thousands will continue to be murdered.
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
[Edited on 10/10/2015 by Sang]
________________________________________________________________________
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
- The NRA does not oppose fixing the background check system. The NRA does oppose legislation that does not actually fix the broken system and is written with so many loopholes that it would be intrusive on private law abiding citizens. Every time some politician proposes a background check system change it is wrapped into a gun control law meant to disarm law abiding citizens.
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
- The Republicans do not “own” the House and the Senate. Any bill proposed by The Republicans is filibustered by the Democrats and dies in The Senate or Obama says he will veto it. In this particular case the Democrats refuse to support any gun related bill that does not include taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
Show us Obama’s or the Democrats clean bill fixing the background check system. Don’t look to hard, you are not going to find it. The liberals are all mouth and no action on the gun issue.
If you read this NRA's own website here: https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/ It says they think backgroun d checks as they exist ,today are good enough and they oppose any new background checks. Read it yourself - it's straight from the NRA.
muleman doesn't care about what the NRA actually says, he only cares about what he can say they say. This is at least the 3rd or 4th time that someone has pointed this out to him and given him the link, which I doubt he's ever bothered to read. Don't you see he doesn't care about what is real or not?
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“muleman doesn't care about what the NRA actually says”
- Crap. Apparently gondicar did not read what the NRA actually says
gondicar conveniently passed over the salient point of the links text that destroys his weak argument:
“Studies by the federal government show that people sent to state prison because of gun crimes typically get guns through theft, on the black market, or from family members or friends, and nearly half of illegally trafficked firearms originate with straw purchasers—people who can pass background checks, who buy guns for criminals on the sly. No amount of background checks can stop these criminals.”
The NRA opposes background check systems that are both broken and ineffective. The NRA also opposes, as most Americans do, the lefts constant government regulation of every aspect of the citizen’s Constitutional Rights.
Noticeably missing from gondicar’s posts are any mention of the true source of the majority of gun crimes; criminals and the government’s failure to enforce the law.
gondicar has yet to post any legislation proposal opposed by The NRA that would actually get the illegal guns out of the hands of criminals.
Now we’ll wait for Obama’s next speech so gondicar will know what he should think.
“Studies by the federal government show that people sent to state prison because of gun crimes typically get guns through theft, on the black market, or from family members or friends, and nearly half of illegally trafficked firearms originate with straw purchasers—people who can pass background checks, who buy guns for criminals on the sly. No amount of background checks can stop these criminals.”
Why wouldn't background checks stop some straw purchases? If one person is buying a bunch of guns for other folks a simple computer algorithm could easily pull out unusual gun buying activity.
Why not limit the amount of guns one person can buy? A special license could be designed for collectors with more vigorous stipulations concerning storage and display.
There are many common sense steps that this country can take that will stop this war on Americans. This isn't a pretend war like the "War on Christmas". This is a real war with casualties. I'm all for a MASSIVE FEDERAL PROGRAM to get illegal guns off the streets and out of the hands of criminals.
Enforcing the gun laws already on the books and fixing the broken federal background check system (while also tying in mental health records) will greatly reduce gun crimes. Disarming the citizens will simply get more innocent people killed.
BTW, enforcing the law in the responsibility of the administration who to date have failed to do so.
Until the left acknowledges the facts and agrees to actually fix that which is broken, thousands will continue to be murdered.
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
[Edited on 10/10/2015 by Sang]
________________________________________________________________________
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
- The NRA does not oppose fixing the background check system. The NRA does oppose legislation that does not actually fix the broken system and is written with so many loopholes that it would be intrusive on private law abiding citizens. Every time some politician proposes a background check system change it is wrapped into a gun control law meant to disarm law abiding citizens.
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
- The Republicans do not “own” the House and the Senate. Any bill proposed by The Republicans is filibustered by the Democrats and dies in The Senate or Obama says he will veto it. In this particular case the Democrats refuse to support any gun related bill that does not include taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
Show us Obama’s or the Democrats clean bill fixing the background check system. Don’t look to hard, you are not going to find it. The liberals are all mouth and no action on the gun issue.
If you read this NRA's own website here: https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/ It says they think backgroun d checks as they exist ,today are good enough and they oppose any new background checks. Read it yourself - it's straight from the NRA.
muleman doesn't care about what the NRA actually says, he only cares about what he can say they say. This is at least the 3rd or 4th time that someone has pointed this out to him and given him the link, which I doubt he's ever bothered to read. Don't you see he doesn't care about what is real or not?
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“muleman doesn't care about what the NRA actually says”
- Crap. Apparently gondicar did not read what the NRA actually saysgondicar conveniently passed over the salient point of the links text that destroys his weak argument:
“Studies by the federal government show that people sent to state prison because of gun crimes typically get guns through theft, on the black market, or from family members or friends, and nearly half of illegally trafficked firearms originate with straw purchasers—people who can pass background checks, who buy guns for criminals on the sly. No amount of background checks can stop these criminals.”
The NRA opposes background check systems that are both broken and ineffective. The NRA also opposes, as most Americans do, the lefts constant government regulation of every aspect of the citizen’s Constitutional Rights.
Noticeably missing from gondicar’s posts are any mention of the true source of the majority of gun crimes; criminals and the government’s failure to enforce the law.
gondicar has yet to post any legislation proposal opposed by The NRA that would actually get the illegal guns out of the hands of criminals.
Now we’ll wait for Obama’s next speech so gondicar will know what he should think.
See, they do oppose background checks! And nowhere in there did I see any mention of mentally ill people having guns being of any concern to the NRA. The NRA opposes expanded background checks for one reason and one reason alone, and that is that it will curb guns sales, never mind that it is gun sales to people who shoudn't have guns. The NRA doesn't care about gun deaths.
I wonder if there is statistic that shows how many gun owners give up their gun after a gun accident takes one of their children.....
There's more people that don't care about who gets a gun other than the NRA.....A whole school yard pf children were gunned down and nothing was done. If that it's the worst case scenario that would create a wave of change I don't really know what it will take.
Enforcing the gun laws already on the books and fixing the broken federal background check system (while also tying in mental health records) will greatly reduce gun crimes. Disarming the citizens will simply get more innocent people killed.
BTW, enforcing the law in the responsibility of the administration who to date have failed to do so.
Until the left acknowledges the facts and agrees to actually fix that which is broken, thousands will continue to be murdered.
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
[Edited on 10/10/2015 by Sang]
________________________________________________________________________
Then why does the NRA oppose fixing the background check system?
- The NRA does not oppose fixing the background check system. The NRA does oppose legislation that does not actually fix the broken system and is written with so many loopholes that it would be intrusive on private law abiding citizens. Every time some politician proposes a background check system change it is wrapped into a gun control law meant to disarm law abiding citizens.
The republicans own the House and the Senate - what is their solution to fix what is broken?
- The Republicans do not “own” the House and the Senate. Any bill proposed by The Republicans is filibustered by the Democrats and dies in The Senate or Obama says he will veto it. In this particular case the Democrats refuse to support any gun related bill that does not include taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
Show us Obama’s or the Democrats clean bill fixing the background check system. Don’t look to hard, you are not going to find it. The liberals are all mouth and no action on the gun issue.
If you read this NRA's own website here: https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/ It says they think backgroun d checks as they exist ,today are good enough and they oppose any new background checks. Read it yourself - it's straight from the NRA.
muleman doesn't care about what the NRA actually says, he only cares about what he can say they say. This is at least the 3rd or 4th time that someone has pointed this out to him and given him the link, which I doubt he's ever bothered to read. Don't you see he doesn't care about what is real or not?
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“muleman doesn't care about what the NRA actually says”
- Crap. Apparently gondicar did not read what the NRA actually saysgondicar conveniently passed over the salient point of the links text that destroys his weak argument:
“Studies by the federal government show that people sent to state prison because of gun crimes typically get guns through theft, on the black market, or from family members or friends, and nearly half of illegally trafficked firearms originate with straw purchasers—people who can pass background checks, who buy guns for criminals on the sly. No amount of background checks can stop these criminals.”
The NRA opposes background check systems that are both broken and ineffective. The NRA also opposes, as most Americans do, the lefts constant government regulation of every aspect of the citizen’s Constitutional Rights.
Noticeably missing from gondicar’s posts are any mention of the true source of the majority of gun crimes; criminals and the government’s failure to enforce the law.
gondicar has yet to post any legislation proposal opposed by The NRA that would actually get the illegal guns out of the hands of criminals.
Now we’ll wait for Obama’s next speech so gondicar will know what he should think.
See, they do oppose background checks! And nowhere in there did I see any mention of mentally ill people having guns being of any concern to the NRA. The NRA opposes expanded background checks for one reason and one reason alone, and that is that it will curb guns sales, never mind that it is gun sales to people who shoudn't have guns. The NRA doesn't care about gun deaths.
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"See, they do oppose background checks!"
- of course they oppose background checks that do nothing to stop gun violence
How many criminals go through the background check system?
“Studies by the federal government show that people sent to state prison because of gun crimes typically get guns through theft, on the black market, or from family members or friends, and nearly half of illegally trafficked firearms originate with straw purchasers—people who can pass background checks, who buy guns for criminals on the sly. No amount of background checks can stop these criminals.”
Why wouldn't background checks stop some straw purchases? If one person is buying a bunch of guns for other folks a simple computer algorithm could easily pull out unusual gun buying activity.
Why not limit the amount of guns one person can buy? A special license could be designed for collectors with more vigorous stipulations concerning storage and display.
There are many common sense steps that this country can take that will stop this war on Americans. This isn't a pretend war like the "War on Christmas". This is a real war with casualties. I'm all for a MASSIVE FEDERAL PROGRAM to get illegal guns off the streets and out of the hands of criminals.
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"Why wouldn't background checks stop some straw purchases?"
- Do you mean like the straw purchase method the Obama administration used to run guns to the drug cartels in their Fast and Furious program?
"I'm all for a MASSIVE FEDERAL PROGRAM to get illegal guns off the streets"
- Okay, call Obama and Emanuel and tell them to start enforcing your program. To date they have done nothing. The bulk of the mass shootings are in the ghettos run by Democrats.
“Studies by the federal government show that people sent to state prison because of gun crimes typically get guns through theft, on the black market, or from family members or friends, and nearly half of illegally trafficked firearms originate with straw purchasers—people who can pass background checks, who buy guns for criminals on the sly. No amount of background checks can stop these criminals.”
Why wouldn't background checks stop some straw purchases? If one person is buying a bunch of guns for other folks a simple computer algorithm could easily pull out unusual gun buying activity.
Why not limit the amount of guns one person can buy? A special license could be designed for collectors with more vigorous stipulations concerning storage and display.
There are many common sense steps that this country can take that will stop this war on Americans. This isn't a pretend war like the "War on Christmas". This is a real war with casualties. I'm all for a MASSIVE FEDERAL PROGRAM to get illegal guns off the streets and out of the hands of criminals.
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"Why wouldn't background checks stop some straw purchases?"
- Do you mean like the straw purchase method the Obama administration used to run guns to the drug cartels in their Fast and Furious program?
"I'm all for a MASSIVE FEDERAL PROGRAM to get illegal guns off the streets"
- Okay, call Obama and Emanuel and tell them to start enforcing your program. To date they have done nothing. The bulk of the mass shootings are in the ghettos run by Democrats.
All these schools are in ghettos run by Democrats? Seems like most are middle class to me. Well, I guess schools are run by Democrats as Republicans like to oppose schools and keep them ignorant.
“Studies by the federal government show that people sent to state prison because of gun crimes typically get guns through theft, on the black market, or from family members or friends, and nearly half of illegally trafficked firearms originate with straw purchasers—people who can pass background checks, who buy guns for criminals on the sly. No amount of background checks can stop these criminals.”
Why wouldn't background checks stop some straw purchases? If one person is buying a bunch of guns for other folks a simple computer algorithm could easily pull out unusual gun buying activity.
Why not limit the amount of guns one person can buy? A special license could be designed for collectors with more vigorous stipulations concerning storage and display.
There are many common sense steps that this country can take that will stop this war on Americans. This isn't a pretend war like the "War on Christmas". This is a real war with casualties. I'm all for a MASSIVE FEDERAL PROGRAM to get illegal guns off the streets and out of the hands of criminals.
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"Why wouldn't background checks stop some straw purchases?"
- Do you mean like the straw purchase method the Obama administration used to run guns to the drug cartels in their Fast and Furious program?
"I'm all for a MASSIVE FEDERAL PROGRAM to get illegal guns off the streets"
- Okay, call Obama and Emanuel and tell them to start enforcing your program. To date they have done nothing. The bulk of the mass shootings are in the ghettos run by Democrats.
All these schools are in ghettos run by Democrats? Seems like most are middle class to me. Well, I guess schools are run by Democrats as Republicans like to oppose schools and keep them ignorant.
Yeah, Umpqua Community College sure looks like a ghetto to me!
