Can anyone answer why you would oppose a mandatory classroom training course, exam, and physical demonstration on safety and accuracy in order to get a gun license?
I don't oppose it, I just do not see how this is going to stop mass shootings.......Our collective mentality regarding violence must change...Children and young adults exposed to guns in movies & television and video gaming are not helping.....
"a tiny tiny online newsletter"
- Do you really need to lie to cover for Obama?The Roseburg Beacon is the local print newspaper which, as most others do, has an online edition.
The Roseburg Beacon has 1500 facebook followers with a weak 2.1 out of 5 rating based on 68 reviews. That is incredibly low, Numbers don't lie. The website is clearly a semi-pro blog with a weekly print edition. It is co-owned by Marilyn Kittelman, a Republican who was nearly recalled at her post as Douglass County Comissioner, before losing her next election, followed by a defeat in an Oregon state senate race. It is essentially a conservative newsletter.
By contrast, The New-Review, another local paper in Roseburg, has 8400 facebook followers and a 6-day a week publication schedule. They are a professional paper and their editor has stated:
"Since The Beacon editor is now being referred to as the "editor of the local newspaper," I thought I'd respond. Mr. Jaques doesn't speak for me or for Roseburg."
Muleman, do a little homework once in a while. The truth isn't in sound bites.
"a tiny tiny online newsletter"
- Do you really need to lie to cover for Obama?The Roseburg Beacon is the local print newspaper which, as most others do, has an online edition.
The Roseburg Beacon has 1500 facebook followers with a weak 2.1 out of 5 rating based on 68 reviews. That is incredibly low, Numbers don't lie. The website is clearly a semi-pro blog with a weekly print edition. It is co-owned by Marilyn Kittelman, a Republican who was nearly recalled at her post as Douglass County Comissioner, before losing her next election, followed by a defeat in an Oregon state senate race. It is essentially a conservative newsletter.
By contrast, The New-Review, another local paper in Roseburg, has 8400 facebook followers and a 6-day a week publication schedule. They are a professional paper and their editor has stated:
"Since The Beacon editor is now being referred to as the "editor of the local newspaper," I thought I'd respond. Mr. Jaques doesn't speak for me or for Roseburg."
Muleman, do a little homework once in a while. The truth isn't in sound bites.
Facts are pesky little things.
Can anyone answer why you would oppose a mandatory classroom training course, exam, and physical demonstration on safety and accuracy in order to get a gun license?
I don't oppose it, I just do not see how this is going to stop mass shootings.......Our collective mentality regarding violence must change...Children and young adults exposed to guns in movies & television and video gaming are not helping.....
Kids now are over exposed so early in life about things we as kids never had to think about. During prime time now you can't watch a sitcom with a 6 year old without having to explain a lot of things a six year shouldn't have to worry about...
we were exposed to violence with westerns and 3 stoogies but it wasn't as graphic and the stooges were just silly and we could tell they really weren't hurting each other....comedy is tragedy
The kill games kids have now we never had....we didn't have 24/7 news coverage of all the horrible events going on....and over discussion of everything on the so called "news" channels
Yes a collective way of dealing with life better is the solution....guns aren't going away
Can anyone answer why you would oppose a mandatory classroom training course, exam, and physical demonstration on safety and accuracy in order to get a gun license?
I don't oppose it, I just do not see how this is going to stop mass shootings.......Our collective mentality regarding violence must change...Children and young adults exposed to guns in movies & television and video gaming are not helping.....
Kids now are over exposed so early in life about things we as kids never had to think about. During prime time now you can't watch a sitcom with a 6 year old without having to explain a lot of things a six year shouldn't have to worry about...
we were exposed to violence with westerns and 3 stoogies but it wasn't as graphic and the stooges were just silly and we could tell they really weren't hurting each other....comedy is tragedy
The kill games kids have now we never had....we didn't have 24/7 news coverage of all the horrible events going on....and over discussion of everything on the so called "news" channels
Yes a collective way of dealing with life better is the solution....guns aren't going away
Maybe it has made parenting more difficult, but good parenting is where the difference is made.
Can anyone answer why you would oppose a mandatory classroom training course, exam, and physical demonstration on safety and accuracy in order to get a gun license?
I don't oppose it, I just do not see how this is going to stop mass shootings.......Our collective mentality regarding violence must change...Children and young adults exposed to guns in movies & television and video gaming are not helping.....
Kids now are over exposed so early in life about things we as kids never had to think about. During prime time now you can't watch a sitcom with a 6 year old without having to explain a lot of things a six year shouldn't have to worry about...
we were exposed to violence with westerns and 3 stoogies but it wasn't as graphic and the stooges were just silly and we could tell they really weren't hurting each other....comedy is tragedy
The kill games kids have now we never had....we didn't have 24/7 news coverage of all the horrible events going on....and over discussion of everything on the so called "news" channels
Yes a collective way of dealing with life better is the solution....guns aren't going away
Maybe it has made parenting more difficult, but good parenting is where the difference is made.
Couldn't agree more.
"There is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking – but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."
Kudos to Dr. Carson for his honesty, as well as perfectly describing the views of many in such a succinct manner.
I guess I appreciate the honesty but he is intentionally distorting the argument into gun control = taking guns away.
Strict DMV type laws to acquire a gun would surely weed out some dangerous individuals. If he votes against such a measure, then he is not holding onto his word.
"a tiny tiny online newsletter"
- Do you really need to lie to cover for Obama?The Roseburg Beacon is the local print newspaper which, as most others do, has an online edition.
The Roseburg Beacon has 1500 facebook followers with a weak 2.1 out of 5 rating based on 68 reviews. That is incredibly low, Numbers don't lie. The website is clearly a semi-pro blog with a weekly print edition. It is co-owned by Marilyn Kittelman, a Republican who was nearly recalled at her post as Douglass County Comissioner, before losing her next election, followed by a defeat in an Oregon state senate race. It is essentially a conservative newsletter.
By contrast, The New-Review, another local paper in Roseburg, has 8400 facebook followers and a 6-day a week publication schedule. They are a professional paper and their editor has stated:
"Since The Beacon editor is now being referred to as the "editor of the local newspaper," I thought I'd respond. Mr. Jaques doesn't speak for me or for Roseburg."
Muleman, do a little homework once in a while. The truth isn't in sound bites.
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First you tried to diminish The Roseburg Beacon as "a tiny tiny online newsletter" which is an outright lie.
Then you misrepresent what its competitor thinks about it. News flash dumb-a$$, selling advertising is a competitive business.
The many interviews with the residents clearly show that the people of Roseburg do not want Obama in their community.
Not everyone bows before the failure Obama. In fact the majority of American reject Obama.
Deal with it.
BTW - do you have a position the thread you are posting in? Exactly what do you think should be done about gun violence?
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I guess I appreciate the honesty but he is intentionally distorting the argument into gun control = taking guns away.
Strict DMV type laws to acquire a gun would surely weed out some dangerous individuals. If he votes against such a measure, then he is not holding onto his word.
Are there any additional taxes besides the standard sales tax (where applicable) on gun and ammo sales? We already have a "sin tax" on cigs and booze and weed (where legal) and an additional tax on gas, so let's tax the shit out of guns and ammo to offset the costs of whatever measures we can come up with the deal with rising gun violence.
"There is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking – but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."
Kudos to Dr. Carson for his honesty, as well as perfectly describing the views of many in such a succinct manner.
I find this statement by Dr Carson repugnant. Has he ever seen a body with bullet holes? I know he's an MD so maybe for whatever reason he just isn't all that bothered of fazed by bullet-riddled bodies.
"There is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking – but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."
Kudos to Dr. Carson for his honesty, as well as perfectly describing the views of many in such a succinct manner.
I find this statement by Dr Carson repugnant. Has he ever seen a body with bullet holes? I know he's an MD so maybe for whatever reason he just isn't all that bothered of fazed by bullet-riddled bodies.
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"I find this statement by Dr Carson repugnant."
- Why? Are you a closet racist?
On the rest of you post have you ever worked as an emergency/trauma surgeon in an inner city hospital?
Dr. Carson has and he survived the killing fields of the Detroit ghettos.
First you tried to diminish The Roseburg Beacon as "a tiny tiny online newsletter" which is an outright lie.
Then you misrepresent what its competitor thinks about it. News flash dumb-a$$, selling advertising is a competitive business.
The many interviews with the residents clearly show that the people of Roseburg do not want Obama in their community.
Not everyone bows before the failure Obama. In fact the majority of American reject Obama.
Deal with it.
There are about 22,000 people in Roseburg and 1400 have signed a petition and might demonstrate.
Not sure of the sanity scattered through the rest of your post. How does all this morph into a majority of Americans rejecting Obama? And if those that bow to Obama are a minority why are they such a threat to you?
"There is no doubt that this senseless violence is breathtaking – but I never saw a body with bullet holes that was more devastating than taking the right to arm ourselves away."
Kudos to Dr. Carson for his honesty, as well as perfectly describing the views of many in such a succinct manner.
I find this statement by Dr Carson repugnant. Has he ever seen a body with bullet holes? I know he's an MD so maybe for whatever reason he just isn't all that bothered of fazed by bullet-riddled bodies.
To be clear, I was expressing admiration for the honesty of the statement, not the content of the statement. If that's what one truly believes, just come out and say it.
First you tried to diminish The Roseburg Beacon as "a tiny tiny online newsletter" which is an outright lie.
Then you misrepresent what its competitor thinks about it. News flash dumb-a$$, selling advertising is a competitive business.
The many interviews with the residents clearly show that the people of Roseburg do not want Obama in their community.
Not everyone bows before the failure Obama. In fact the majority of American reject Obama.
Deal with it.There are about 22,000 people in Roseburg and 1400 have signed a petition and might demonstrate.
Not sure of the sanity scattered through the rest of your post. How does all this morph into a majority of Americans rejecting Obama? And if those that bow to Obama are a minority why are they such a threat to you?
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Not a threat at all.
Check the major independent polls: Obama is rejected by the majority of Americans.
This particular thread is exactly why. He makes speeches and promises and fails to follow through.
Check the major independent polls: Obama is rejected by the majority of Americans.
Ok, I checked. Can you find even one "independent poll" that gives any politician a favorable rating of over 50% on a national basis, i.e. from "the majority of Americans" right now? I could not. In fact, what I found is that Obama may actually be closer than any other politician to 50% right now, at 47% per most recent tracking from Rasmussen. Who is higher than that? Not any of the POTUS hopefuls, according to Gallup Hillary is closest at 43% and Jeb Bush is the closest GOP candidate at 35%.
Meanwhile, since you brought up independent polls, according to Pew as a party the Dems are viewed more favorably than the GOP (and neither are above 50%)...
When it comes to honesty and ethics, neither reaches 50% here either but the Dems out poll the GOP by a wide margin...
Some very interesting trends happening as well...
Comparing Obama to the last three two-term presidents, in January Obama's favorability (47) was below Clinton (63) and above Bush (33) and on par with Reagan (49) at the same time's in their presidency...
Will be interesting to see how these various poll #s move during the POTUS election cycle.
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Abolish the 2nd Amendment and maybe in 3-4 generations we can start seeing a difference in our gun culture.
Not ever going to happen. However, how about a more diligent use and understanding of a term included in the 2nd Amendment...."Well regulated"
Muleman, do you believe it is hypocritical and contradictory of conservatives to support bans on abortion, bans on gay rights, but oppose bans on assault rifles?
Muleman, do you believe it is hypocritical and contradictory of conservatives to support bans on abortion, bans on gay rights, but oppose bans on assault rifles?
Is it hypocritical to be pro life and own a gun????......
Muleman, do you believe it is hypocritical and contradictory of conservatives to support bans on abortion, bans on gay rights, but oppose bans on assault rifles?
Is it hypocritical to be pro life and own a gun????......
The right wing definition of pro life is very limited as it only applies to the fetal stage of development. In turn the right wing has no respect for the later stages of infant and human development and advocates a strong gun philosophy that directly undermines the life chances of many humans in later stages of life. From that the pro life and pro gun positions of the far right are hypocritical. One can also say that the social positions of the right wing are anti-life. Pope Francis in contrast is totally pro life as he has respect for all stages of human life.
Muleman, do you believe it is hypocritical and contradictory of conservatives to support bans on abortion, bans on gay rights, but oppose bans on assault rifles?
Is it hypocritical to be pro life and own a gun????......
Is it hypocritical to be pro-life and drive an automobile?
It's not hypocritical to be pro life and own a gun. What's hypocritical is the right's desire to place bans within social issues but opposes a ban on assault rifles that doesn't infringe on anyone's 2nd amendment right.
Muleman, do you believe it is hypocritical and contradictory of conservatives to support bans on abortion, bans on gay rights, but oppose bans on assault rifles?
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I support human life at all stages from conception through natural death where as liberals have no problem with pulling a live fetus out of the womb and keeping the baby alive so that the brain can be harvested and sold for profit.
I do not believe homosexuals be given rights based on their sexual perversion.
The 2nd Amendment affords and gives Americans the right to have and hold guns and most citizens use those guns for protection and hunting. Criminals use guns, illegally obtained, to commit crimes and the liberals are far more concerned about protecting their rights than those of their victims. On assault rifles specifically the American citizens know very well that once the government start banning certain types of guns they will continue regulating our rights until the people are unarmed. This plays right into the liberal/socialists plan: an unarmed population is compliant.
Your questions have been answered.
Don’t you find it disturbing that the liberals posting in this thread never offer their solution to the problem?
The fact the Obama and his administration will not enforce existing laws nor crack down on the gangs that commit the majority of shooting never seems to cross their minds?
The liberals want all kinds of unspecified laws to control law abiding citizens from their right to protect themselves but refuse to even acknowledge the failure of Obama to offer any legislation that would actually get the guns out of the hands of the criminals?
I for one will not outsource my family’s protection to the government. Are you prepared to do that?
You can go back to the beginning of this thread and all the others about gun control and, with few exceptions, find any liberal stating what they want done.
Now sit back kids and watch the posts to follow and look for answers.
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I support human life at all stages from conception through natural death where as liberals have no problem with pulling a live fetus out of the womb and keeping the baby alive so that the brain can be harvested and sold for profit.
Let's keep the second amendment out of this and just focus on belief in the right to life. On a moral level you say you believe generally in a total right to life. Your position on abortion is very clear. There are though other areas where you as part of the right support policies that can negatively impact on a person's life chances. The right on the whole does not usually support policies that would assist the poor and ensure that they have the right to life. As long as you support these kinds of policies can you actually be totally pro-life? Guns as well are instruments that take life. Wouldn't the country and the world be a safer place if everyone, everywhere just put down their weapons and respected the right to life?
There is a serious problem in the US with illegal guns. But the last 4 or 5 mass shootings were carried out by shooters who used legal guns. Do you not believe that people should voluntarily give up their guns to help fight this epidemic of mass murder?
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I support human life at all stages from conception through natural death where as liberals have no problem with pulling a live fetus out of the womb and keeping the baby alive so that the brain can be harvested and sold for profit.
Let's keep the second amendment out of this and just focus on belief in the right to life. On a moral level you say you believe generally in a total right to life. Your position on abortion is very clear. There are though other areas where you as part of the right support policies that can negatively impact on a person's life chances. The right on the whole does not usually support policies that would assist the poor and ensure that they have the right to life. As long as you support these kinds of policies can you actually be totally pro-life? Guns as well are instruments that take life. Wouldn't the country and the world be a safer place if everyone, everywhere just put down their weapons and respected the right to life?
There is a serious problem in the US with illegal guns. But the last 4 or 5 mass shootings were carried out by shooters who used legal guns. Do you not believe that people should voluntarily give up their guns to help fight this epidemic of mass murder?
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“The right on the whole does not usually support policies that would assist the poor and ensure that they have the right to life.”
Wrong.
Republicans support good, well paying jobs for all people. Democrats support enslaving the poor to government handouts from cradle to grave. The Democrats measure success by the number of people dependant on government.
“But the last 4 or 5 mass shootings were carried out by shooters who used legal guns”
Republicans want Obama to actually do what he said he would do; fix the mental health system. To date Obama has done nothing.
“Do you not believe that people should voluntarily give up their guns to help fight this epidemic of mass murder?”
That would not stop the criminals from getting guns and killing people. How would your idea stop the mass-murder in the American cities by the drug industry's gangs?
No one is going to go take anyone's guns away.
No one is going to have someone take their guns from them.
The populace has quietly accepted death by gun massacre as an acceptable risk in our society.
That's it.
I sadly concur
Currently, a five month old baby is killed in a Cleveland drive-by shooting
An 11 year in Tennessee gets ahold of a gun, and shoots dead an 8 year old because she wouldn't let him see her puppyAll the laws, all the talk, all the moral pontificating in the world won't put a stop to gun violence -- never has, never will
Do you think that baby was shot by a legal gun? Of course not. The laws exist. The will to enforce them doesn't. How about making carrying an illegal gun a felony subject to life imprisonment without parole? That would make a lot of thugs think twice about carrying. But then bleeding hearts would later demand their release.
Exactly! How many people live in your gun? How many kids do you take to school in your gun? Guns are made for killing. And if one is not afraid of being shot, why would one need a gun?
Having known many gun owners they all speak with a brave voice that is drenched in fear of everything....the unknown.....the boogie man waiting for them.....the secret intruder....It's the only reason they own a gun.....fear
Exactly! How many lives do you sustain with your gun? Oh, wait..........
Please stop talking common sense it confuses those who use wild exaggerations to try to prove a point
Like nobody would die in car accidents if there were no cars?
Sorry friend that is a such a sorry comparison since no one drives their car into a college/school and runs people down....there's difference between accidents and murder....
Stephen King wrote a whole book about a spree killer called Mr. Mercedes who does exactly that.
Inner-city gun violence is not relevant to the gun control debate IMO. Apples and oranges. Any attempt to establish a link between the two is an intentional effort to misrepresent the actual issue.
Criminals and gangsters will always get guns, no matter what. No law will ever stop gang warfare in our cities. Stop and frisk would help, and I oppose the liberal's POV on this. It worked in NYC and I simply don't care if you are wrongly stopped. I was falsely arrested once and it was a mere slight inconvenience. A small price for safer streets. 2nd, thugs CHOOSE a life of crime and know that murder is likely if you CHOOSE to put yourself in that situation. I would imagine that an overwhelming majority of inner city victims were involved in criminal activity. Therefore, we shouldn't be focusing on people who choose that life. Maybe I'm wrong to characterize these victims as such, but my gut tells me they are not random innocents.
This debate is to protect innocent Americans who choose a life of good. This debate is about preventing homegrown terrorists (mass shooters) from killing random innocents. These shooters CAN be identified before a rampage - our police do it all the time. All police recruits undergo a psychological evaluation to determine stability, and I have proof that they work - they weeded out someone I know to be bipolar and violent. This person was denied by THREE major city police departments for failing the psychological evaluation - IT WORKS. The problem? This person went on to not only get a license to purchase, but also a concealed carry permit. I fear that person now.
Knowing these tests exist and work, and used daily by our nation's finest, there is no reason not to do the same for aspiring gun owners. This would absolutely prevent dangerous people from buying a gun so easily.
Heavy enforcement and draconian penalties for carrying illegally HAVE reduced gun violence extraordinarily particularly in New York where I have seen it happen and I see it shifting back with a new mayor and a laxer enforcement policy. This is what drives me crazy. People like Obama oppose the very things that work and save lives while pontificating in ways designed to make their base salivate and do zilch to help the problem. I'm sorry but that's how I feel. And I favor gun control and licensing and all other kinds of requirements.
I still can't figure out why people are focused on Obama's reaction. Who cares what he said or did? You have choices about what to write in this thread. We have terrorists killing children on a regular basis and some only seem to care about Obama. He hasn't done anything on gun control since he started. What agenda? What do you think he is going to do before he leaves office? He will do NOTHING!!! So why worry?
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Because Obama is, sadly, the current president who, when it fits his political and social justice agenda goes running to the TV cameras when these incidents happen. Of course as hundreds are slaughtered on the street of the cities democrats run he has nothing to say.
Leadership matters and The U.S. currently has a void there.
As soon he runs to the cameras, he gives the firearm industry another boost. His speech
on the Oregon incident probably sold 100,000 additional guns. He's done more for the
firearm industry than Edison for electricity.
Since his goal is to gin up anger rather than actually solve the problems of which he complains this works for him.
