Interesting thread.
After reviewing the posts I see nobody defending Obama’s Foreign Policy.

It is hard to defend a complete failure but you’d think the liberals here would at least try.
All I see are the liberals, unable to defend Obama’s Foreign Policy catastrophe, going to their default response; bashing President Bush.
Pathetic.

Even democrats in both the Senate and The House are calling for increasing the Defense Department’s budget as they can clearly see that Al-Qaeda and ISIS growing both in influence, size and brutality.

Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the two strongest Sunni Muslim countries are taking action as they see Obama’s negotiations with the Shiite State of Iran will produce nothing more than another delay and more relaxing of sanctions while Iran will continue to develop nuclear weapon.
When Iran gets the bomb, how long do you think it will be before Saudi Arabia and Egypt do also?

Yemen, touted by Obama just a few months ago as “a shining example of my administration’s foreign policy and pursuit of terrorism is now being taken over by Islamic Extremist Terrorists. Our Embassy and Special Forces have bugged out.

Boko Haram has officially aligned with ISIS and is now training together in Eastern Africa.

German Chancellor Merkel detests Obama and Putin slaps Obama around like a punk on the playground.

Obama has trashed our relationship with our most important partner in The Middle East, Israel and even tried to oust its leader Benjamin Netanyahu by directly interfering in Israel’s elections and losing that effort Obama throws a temper tantrum.

Can the liberals here offer any Obama Foreign Policy accomplishment?
Offer any defense of his long list of failures?

Anything?

Yes, he ended two wars that a Republican president started.

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Do you mean those two wars that have not ended?

The two wars you speak of were and are necessary and Obama has not stopped them.

President Bush was forced to go into Iraq and Afghanistan to go after Islamic Extremist Terrorism which should have been addressed by Clinton.
Al-Qaeda attacked the U.S. on numerous occasions during Clinton’s term and he did not respond.
The CIA, recognizing the threat to The U.S. by Al Qaeda, setup a Bin Laden desk during the Clinton administration but Clinton was openly hostile towards the CIA and hated the intelligence services. Some believe this is why Vince Foster’s body was dumped just outside the CIA main entrance but that is another matter.

The responsibility to secure a SOFA with Iraq was Obama’s but for purely political purposes he refused and cut and ran.
Now of course we are back in Iraq fighting ISIS which, if Obama had done his job, would not exist.

In Afghanistan, after declaring another bug out and a firm date to leave, Obama has had to extend his own deadline and keep even more troops there.

Al Qaeda and ISIS are growing and becoming more deadly because Obama is doing as little as possible and trying to run out the clock dumping his responsibilities on the next President.

President Bush did not start two wars but thankfully he had both the vision and courage to do what Clinton would not: go after terrorism.

Obama’s weak and ineffective policies have forced The U.S. to lead the war on Islamic Extremist Terrorism from behind and we are not winning, the terrorists winning and thousands are dying.

Interesting thread.
After reviewing the posts I see nobody defending Obama’s Foreign Policy.

It is hard to defend a complete failure but you’d think the liberals here would at least try.
All I see are the liberals, unable to defend Obama’s Foreign Policy catastrophe, going to their default response; bashing President Bush.
Pathetic.

Even democrats in both the Senate and The House are calling for increasing the Defense Department’s budget as they can clearly see that Al-Qaeda and ISIS growing both in influence, size and brutality.

Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the two strongest Sunni Muslim countries are taking action as they see Obama’s negotiations with the Shiite State of Iran will produce nothing more than another delay and more relaxing of sanctions while Iran will continue to develop nuclear weapon.
When Iran gets the bomb, how long do you think it will be before Saudi Arabia and Egypt do also?

Yemen, touted by Obama just a few months ago as “a shining example of my administration’s foreign policy and pursuit of terrorism is now being taken over by Islamic Extremist Terrorists. Our Embassy and Special Forces have bugged out.

Boko Haram has officially aligned with ISIS and is now training together in Eastern Africa.

German Chancellor Merkel detests Obama and Putin slaps Obama around like a punk on the playground.

Obama has trashed our relationship with our most important partner in The Middle East, Israel and even tried to oust its leader Benjamin Netanyahu by directly interfering in Israel’s elections and losing that effort Obama throws a temper tantrum.

Can the liberals here offer any Obama Foreign Policy accomplishment?
Offer any defense of his long list of failures?

Anything?

Yes, he ended two wars that a Republican president started.

________________________________________________________________________

Do you mean those two wars that have not ended?

The two wars you speak of were and are necessary and Obama has not stopped them.

President Bush was forced to go into Iraq and Afghanistan to go after Islamic Extremist Terrorism which should have been addressed by Clinton.
Al-Qaeda attacked the U.S. on numerous occasions during Clinton’s term and he did not respond.
The CIA, recognizing the threat to The U.S. by Al Qaeda, setup a Bin Laden desk during the Clinton administration but Clinton was openly hostile towards the CIA and hated the intelligence services. Some believe this is why Vince Foster’s body was dumped just outside the CIA main entrance but that is another matter.

The responsibility to secure a SOFA with Iraq was Obama’s but for purely political purposes he refused and cut and ran.
Now of course we are back in Iraq fighting ISIS which, if Obama had done his job, would not exist.

In Afghanistan, after declaring another bug out and a firm date to leave, Obama has had to extend his own deadline and keep even more troops there.

Al Qaeda and ISIS are growing and becoming more deadly because Obama is doing as little as possible and trying to run out the clock dumping his responsibilities on the next President.

President Bush did not start two wars but thankfully he had both the vision and courage to do what Clinton would not: go after terrorism.

Obama’s weak and ineffective policies have forced The U.S. to lead the war on Islamic Extremist Terrorism from behind and we are not winning, the terrorists winning and thousands are dying.

You mean the two wars that were built on lies and strong arm tactics by the Bush administration. Or the two wars where there was no exit plan which ultimately led to destabilization of the Middle East and created the current sh*t storm?

The only reason the other Arab countries are acting now is due to fear that their little dictatorships will be next to be overtaken by the threat Bush created.

It has turned into a civil war now and we should stay on the sidelines and let the Arabs sort it out. But of course we can't because we need their oil so we will get sucked back into a ground war eventually to protect the oil fields. This will only delay the inevitable as we are not fighting a country but rather an ideology which knows no borders and our military is not designed to fight a guerilla war. We learned nothing from the Vietnam war.

Bin Laden was smart man he knew he could lure Bush into an unwinnable war that would force the U.S. to spent obscene money to fight and bleed our economy.

So for him it was "mission accomplished"

[Edited on 3/29/2015 by Bill_Graham]

Interesting thread.
After reviewing the posts I see nobody defending Obama’s Foreign Policy.

It is hard to defend a complete failure but you’d think the liberals here would at least try.
All I see are the liberals, unable to defend Obama’s Foreign Policy catastrophe, going to their default response; bashing President Bush.
Pathetic.

Even democrats in both the Senate and The House are calling for increasing the Defense Department’s budget as they can clearly see that Al-Qaeda and ISIS growing both in influence, size and brutality.

Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the two strongest Sunni Muslim countries are taking action as they see Obama’s negotiations with the Shiite State of Iran will produce nothing more than another delay and more relaxing of sanctions while Iran will continue to develop nuclear weapon.
When Iran gets the bomb, how long do you think it will be before Saudi Arabia and Egypt do also?

Yemen, touted by Obama just a few months ago as “a shining example of my administration’s foreign policy and pursuit of terrorism is now being taken over by Islamic Extremist Terrorists. Our Embassy and Special Forces have bugged out.

Boko Haram has officially aligned with ISIS and is now training together in Eastern Africa.

German Chancellor Merkel detests Obama and Putin slaps Obama around like a punk on the playground.

Obama has trashed our relationship with our most important partner in The Middle East, Israel and even tried to oust its leader Benjamin Netanyahu by directly interfering in Israel’s elections and losing that effort Obama throws a temper tantrum.

Can the liberals here offer any Obama Foreign Policy accomplishment?
Offer any defense of his long list of failures?

Anything?

Yes, he ended two wars that a Republican president started.

________________________________________________________________________

Do you mean those two wars that have not ended?

The two wars you speak of were and are necessary and Obama has not stopped them.

President Bush was forced to go into Iraq and Afghanistan to go after Islamic Extremist Terrorism which should have been addressed by Clinton.
Al-Qaeda attacked the U.S. on numerous occasions during Clinton’s term and he did not respond.
The CIA, recognizing the threat to The U.S. by Al Qaeda, setup a Bin Laden desk during the Clinton administration but Clinton was openly hostile towards the CIA and hated the intelligence services. Some believe this is why Vince Foster’s body was dumped just outside the CIA main entrance but that is another matter.

The responsibility to secure a SOFA with Iraq was Obama’s but for purely political purposes he refused and cut and ran.
Now of course we are back in Iraq fighting ISIS which, if Obama had done his job, would not exist.

In Afghanistan, after declaring another bug out and a firm date to leave, Obama has had to extend his own deadline and keep even more troops there.

Al Qaeda and ISIS are growing and becoming more deadly because Obama is doing as little as possible and trying to run out the clock dumping his responsibilities on the next President.

President Bush did not start two wars but thankfully he had both the vision and courage to do what Clinton would not: go after terrorism.

Obama’s weak and ineffective policies have forced The U.S. to lead the war on Islamic Extremist Terrorism from behind and we are not winning, the terrorists winning and thousands are dying.

You mean the two wars that were built on lies and strong arm tactics by the Bush administration. Or the two wars where there was no exit plan which ultimately led to destabilization of the Middle East and created the current sh*t storm?

The only reason the other Arab countries are acting now is due to fear that their little dictatorships will be next to be overtaken by the threat Bush created.

It has turned into a civil war now and we should stay on the sidelines and let the Arabs sort it out. But of course we can't because we need their oil so we will get sucked back into a ground war eventually to protect the oil fields. This will only delay the inevitable as we are not fighting a country but rather an ideology which knows no borders and our military is not designed to fight a guerilla war. We learned nothing from the Vietnam war.

Bin Laden was smart man he knew he could lure Bush into an unwinnable war that would force the U.S. to spent obscene money to fight and bleed our economy.

So for him it was "mission accomplished"

[Edited on 3/29/2015 by Bill_Graham]

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1.) What lies? What Strong arm tactics? It is easy to throw out empty lines without specifics.

2.) Exit plans are developed towards the end of a military action, not up front as Obama does when he tells the enemy his plans to cut and run from a fight.

3.) President Bush destabilized The Middle East? That claim is too ludicrous to even address.

4.) Exactly which dictatorships did President Bush create?

5.) The war on terrorism was never about oil. That is a democrat talking point. America could easily be energy independent and an profitable exporter of energy if Obama would get his political ideology out of the way.

6.) America learned a lot from the democrat’s war in Vietnam.

7.) Bin Laden did not lure President Bush into anything. He played Clinton knowing he didn’t have the balls to react when Al Qaeda attacked The U.S. 7 times during Clinton’s administration and his terrorists were learning to fly planes on his watch.

8.) The liberals here never have an answer as to what they would have done after the 9/11 attacks. They simply attack President Bush immediately after they voted to go to war against terror twice.

You response to my post is as empty as Obama’s failed foreign policy.

8.) The liberals here never have an answer as to what they would have done after the 9/11 attacks.

I would have taken a fraction of the money spent on the war and rebuilt the World Trade Center in record time, less than a year. I would have had the buildings designed to look like the middle finger salute, and got on with the business of being a free America.

Instead we gave up our freedoms in search of security.

8.) The liberals here never have an answer as to what they would have done after the 9/11 attacks.

I would have taken a fraction of the money spent on the war and rebuilt the World Trade Center in record time, less than a year. I would have had the buildings designed to look like the middle finger salute, and got on with the business of being a free America.

Instead we gave up our freedoms in search of security.

No doubt Billy, No doubt

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." attributed to Ben Franklin

8.) The liberals here never have an answer as to what they would have done after the 9/11 attacks.

I would have taken a fraction of the money spent on the war and rebuilt the World Trade Center in record time, less than a year. I would have had the buildings designed to look like the middle finger salute, and got on with the business of being a free America.

Instead we gave up our freedoms in search of security.

My initial emotional reaction was "kill 'em all". After a couple of days I reached the exact same conclusion Billy. No country can sustain an attack on the US. They had their moment; we could have easily absorbed it, buried our dead, mourned, and moved on.

And just to show that I'm don't "break my back" to defend Obama, the rose garden celebratory press conference was disgusting. Why would a President do that knowing in advance that he was a deserter and possible traitor? He was just trying to sell the move with deception. Typical politician. He could've sold it easily had he just framed it the way I did. But to position it as "saving a hero soldier" and celebrating his return....absolutely pathetic. Big mistake by Obama. However, I support the trade that him and our generals made. The PR surrounding it...not so much.

[Edited on 3/27/2015 by BoytonBrother]

We can go in circles forever so I will not say anytyjing about your theory as to why he was released. I will take issue with your statement that Obama is a "typical" politician. It's hard to magine another president having such a Rose Garden ceremony in sich a situation. There is very little about Obama that is typical.

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It must've come down to weighing who was the bigger threat to national security.....a traitor giving the enemy our secrets, or 5 Taliban officials that they might be able to contain after having them in captivity for so long.
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Why would they need to be contained? That admission alone says they shouldn't have been released in the first place.

Don't let them go and they won't need to be contained!

Not necessarily. How else to do we get Berghdal back? You have to give something up, to get something in return, at equal value....just like a sports trade. [/q

OK I'll bite. Let's assume that the reason for this lopsided exchange was to get a traitor back. Do you seriously think Sgt. Bergdhal had sufficient information to give to the Taliban to justify returning Five high level commanders? That makes no logical sense.

 

Interesting thread.
After reviewing the posts I see nobody defending Obama’s Foreign Policy.

It is hard to defend a complete failure but you’d think the liberals here would at least try.
All I see are the liberals, unable to defend Obama’s Foreign Policy catastrophe, going to their default response; bashing President Bush.
Pathetic.

Even democrats in both the Senate and The House are calling for increasing the Defense Department’s budget as they can clearly see that Al-Qaeda and ISIS growing both in influence, size and brutality.

Saudi Arabia and Egypt, the two strongest Sunni Muslim countries are taking action as they see Obama’s negotiations with the Shiite State of Iran will produce nothing more than another delay and more relaxing of sanctions while Iran will continue to develop nuclear weapon.
When Iran gets the bomb, how long do you think it will be before Saudi Arabia and Egypt do also?

Yemen, touted by Obama just a few months ago as “a shining example of my administration’s foreign policy and pursuit of terrorism is now being taken over by Islamic Extremist Terrorists. Our Embassy and Special Forces have bugged out.

Boko Haram has officially aligned with ISIS and is now training together in Eastern Africa.

German Chancellor Merkel detests Obama and Putin slaps Obama around like a punk on the playground.

Obama has trashed our relationship with our most important partner in The Middle East, Israel and even tried to oust its leader Benjamin Netanyahu by directly interfering in Israel’s elections and losing that effort Obama throws a temper tantrum.

Can the liberals here offer any Obama Foreign Policy accomplishment?
Offer any defense of his long list of failures?

Anything?

Yes, he ended two wars that a Republican president started.

You have a funny definition of end.