"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
Where exactly do the American people get off? Expecting the government to exhibit truth, ethics, honesty, transparency with a little deal like the Health Care system? That's not even close to being a reasonable expectation. I mean, how spoiled can you get??
Where exactly do the American people get off? Expecting the government to exhibit truth, ethics, honesty, transparency with a little deal like the Health Care system? That's not even close to being a reasonable expectation. I mean, how spoiled can you get??
With alloak, having no answer means it is time for snark.
What a SHOCK FROM THIS BUNCH OF LOSERS!!!!!!!!!
"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
From the same political mentality that spawned a President who tried to spin the definition of what"is" is. Some folks will believe anything.
I was in that first group who faced cancellations of their old policy because the new law forced coverage of numerous items not previously required. My old coverage was outlawed. My new coverage cost far more. Gov't forced this change, nothing else. I don't care if you call it cancellation or any other political spin you try to force down people's throats, the net effect is still the same.
My sig line still describes it best.
Where exactly do the American people get off? Expecting the government to exhibit truth, ethics, honesty, transparency with a little deal like the Health Care system? That's not even close to being a reasonable expectation. I mean, how spoiled can you get??
With alloak, having no answer means it is time for snark.
As if an answer is really needed...
"If you like your health care plan you can keep it. Period."
"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
From the same political mentality that spawned a President who tried to spin the definition of what"is" is. Some folks will believe anything.
I was in that first group who faced cancellations of their old policy because the new law forced coverage of numerous items not previously required. My old coverage was outlawed. My new coverage cost far more. Gov't forced this change, nothing else. I don't care if you call it cancellation or any other political spin you try to force down people's throats, the net effect is still the same.
My sig line still describes it best.
So, in effect, it is exactly the same.
"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
From the same political mentality that spawned a President who tried to spin the definition of what"is" is. Some folks will believe anything.
I was in that first group who faced cancellations of their old policy because the new law forced coverage of numerous items not previously required. My old coverage was outlawed. My new coverage cost far more. Gov't forced this change, nothing else. I don't care if you call it cancellation or any other political spin you try to force down people's throats, the net effect is still the same.
My sig line still describes it best.
So if you went into the hospital and needed treatment that wasn't covered under your old plan, who would pay for it? You? I doubt it. It would fall on everyone else by the hospital raising the price on everything to cover their losses. You would not pay a dime and would not take a hit on your credit rating. And you still complain about socialism. 😛
"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
From the same political mentality that spawned a President who tried to spin the definition of what"is" is. Some folks will believe anything.
I was in that first group who faced cancellations of their old policy because the new law forced coverage of numerous items not previously required. My old coverage was outlawed. My new coverage cost far more. Gov't forced this change, nothing else. I don't care if you call it cancellation or any other political spin you try to force down people's throats, the net effect is still the same.
My sig line still describes it best.
So if you went into the hospital and needed treatment that wasn't covered under your old plan, who would pay for it? You? I doubt it. It would fall on everyone else by the hospital raising the price on everything to cover their losses. You would not pay a dime and would not take a hit on your credit rating. And you still complain about socialism. 😛
People who think like that would surely stay true to their principles, hock everything they have, borrow from friends, and let their houses & cars go. The last thing that would cross their minds is to let everyone else cover the losses. The thought of being in over their head would play second fiddle to standing up for self pride and principle.
Now if you believe that, then you will believe that Ted Cruz or Rick Perry could be your next president.
Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’
At least he's not lying about it, right? The American people just re-elected 95% of the incumbents running for congress while at the same time giving them a 14% approval rating. Stupid is as stupid does.
check any economic indicator and 1) see where RI ranks and 2) look at the same boobs they (not me) vote for every election. This state can't even get republican opposition to our congressmen.
blue is as blue does.
(I'm still jaded... 😛 )
My Congresswoman did not have a single opponent on the ballot. Makes it pretty hard to vote her out of office.
Pelosi continues to lie about obamacare and deception needed to pass it:
Pelosi cited ObamaCare architect in push for law – now claims she hasn’t heard of him
Published November 13, 2014
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi of Calif. speaks to reporters, Thursday, Nov. 13, 2014, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (AP)
Nancy Pelosi claimed Thursday she didn’t know who ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber is, after several tapes surfaced showing him gloating about how the law was written to take advantage of the stupidity of the American voter.
Problem is, Gruber’s analysis of the law was cited extensively by her office back in 2009.
Pelosi, the House Democratic leader, tried to downplay Gruber’s role during a press conference on Thursday.
She claimed she doesn’t know who he is, and that he didn’t help write the law. “Let’s put him aside,” she said.
However, Gruber was involved in the process – as his newly surfaced remarks make clear – and his analysis indeed was cited by Pelosi’s office when she was House speaker in late 2009.
At the time, her office put out a “health insurance reform mythbuster” press release pointing to the work of “noted MIT health care economist Jonathan Gruber” in examining the House bill’s impact on premiums. They noted that Gruber found it “would result in lower premiums than under current law for the millions of Americans using the newly-established Health Insurance Exchange.”
Pelosi also mentioned Gruber during a press conference at the time.
When the press release was brought to Pelosi’s office’s attention on Thursday, aides indicated she does not know him – as she does not know everyone they have cited on their website.
Democrats have been putting some distance between themselves and Gruber after a series of recordings – mostly from 2012 and 2013 – have surfaced showing him bad-mouthing American voters.
The latest shows him speaking at the University of Rhode Island in 2012 about the law’s so-called "Cadillac tax.” The “Cadillac tax” mandates that insurance companies be taxed rather than policy holders. He said that taxing individuals would have been “politically impossible,” but taxing the companies worked because Americans didn't understand the difference.
“So basically it's the same thing,” he said. “We just tax the insurance companies, they pass on higher prices that offsets the tax break we get, it ends up being the same thing. It's a very clever, you know, basic exploitation of the lack of economic understanding of the American voter.”
The new video follows another showing him speaking on a similar topic at an October 2013 event at Washington University in St. Louis. Referring to the "Cadillac tax,” he said: "They proposed it and that passed, because the American people are too stupid to understand the difference." He also has said a lack of transparency helped the law pass.
White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest, traveling with President Obama in Burma, said he disagrees with Gruber's comments.
Earnest claimed the bill was written in a transparent way and that it's Republicans who aren't transparent about how they would replace it. The press pool gathered laughed.
Another tape surfaces of ObamaCare architect calling American people ‘stupid’
At least he's not lying about it, right? The American people just re-elected 95% of the incumbents running for congress while at the same time giving them a 14% approval rating. Stupid is as stupid does.
check any economic indicator and 1) see where RI ranks and 2) look at the same boobs they (not me) vote for every election. This state can't even get republican opposition to our congressmen.
blue is as blue does.
(I'm still jaded... 😛 )
My Congresswoman did not have a single opponent on the ballot. Makes it pretty hard to vote her out of office.
That happens, but I tend to doubt it is representative of all congressional races.
quote"How does more companies and more plans on the exchanges result in less competition? In Illinois the average increase in premiums is 2.6% - much less than it has been in the past. You can throw your 9 points out there with no proof, but it doesn't mean they are right....
Just because your state decided to not promote Obamacare or take the medicaid help doesn't mean it is that way "
Maybe in Ill. but not here in NY.I currently pay about 20% more than when this all began,just received notice plans are going up 12% more after the 1st of the yr.Currently pay much higher copays and deductables.So it has happened far from what was assured.But again maybe not in Ill.
Plus,children were supposed to be covered till 26 on the family plan.Well we have had to add him onto a plan called spouse,single+child,cost is almost equivalent to 3 single plans .So yes he's covered, at an additional fee .
Apparently even the liberals are pissed about the deceit and lies the administration used to sell obamacare:
Washington Post Requests that GruberGate Be Investigated By … Fox News?
by John Nolte 14 Nov 2014
In a rather bizarre move Friday, the Washington Post published an appeal to Fox News to "Investigate Gruber's Remarks." The Post is referring to none other than Jonathan Gruber, one of the architects of ObamaCare, who's currently under fire for six(!) instances (so far) where the MIT professor's been caught on video bragging about the deceit Democrats and the Obama Administration used to pass the unpopular government program:
When such astounding comments from the mouth of an Obamacare architect, the White House must be pressed for its version of events. So [Fox News' Ed] Henry is doing righteous work here, and surely he knows that his network will welcome the interrogation. After all, Fox News has devoted 57 segments to the Gruber thing, according to an analysis done by Media Matters for America.
Just how transparent and straightforward was the making of Obamacare? Well, Gruber offers one take on the events. Brian Beutler of the New Republic has another, arguing that it was “one of the most transparent in recent memory.” Earnest has his own take.
So here’s a suggestion. Fox News has revenues approaching $2 billion and a newsgathering investment of nearly $900 million per year — why not plow some of those funds into an investigation into the transparency of the passage of the Affordable Care Act? If what Gruber says is on target, after all, then there must be a heck of a lot more scandal to uncover. Don’t rely on one source for this story, Fox News.
Legitimately confused over, of all outlets, The Washington Post appealing to another news outlet to do investigative reporting, I reached out to the article's author, Erik Wemple, to see if I was missing something. He was kind enough to respond:
My point here is that Fox News clearly has a high degree of interest in these comments, so why not go deeper than just these comments from one guy -- why not use all that cable money to do some digging? It's something that I've tilted at before, about how Fox News pulls down $1.89 billion in revenue, according to SNL Kagan. Yet it commonly complains about newspapers and other media outlets not exposing the wrongdoing of the administration and so on.
Well, why not earmark some of those profits to Fox News investigations?
As to why WaPo doesn't investigate it, that's a fair question. I am not so sure that WaPo didn't cover it to begin with; I'd have to go back deep in Nexis to see whether these themes got the prominence that they deserve with hindsight.
Basically, the Post is telling Fox News to put its money where its mouth is. While I appreciate the response (and respect Wemple as a reporter), his premise is flawed.
First off, like any of us who closely watched the ObamaCare debate, Fox News doesn’t seem all that conflicted over the transparency of the debate. Why should Fox News investigate something they don't feel needs investigating? Regardless, all the nasty surprises that have come with ObamaCare's implementation -- millions of cancellations, loss of doctors, adding to the deficit, etc. -- pretty much prove a lack of transparency, no?
Moreover, when you have a behind-the-scenes ObamaCare architect (who was paid almost $400,000 by the White House) repeatedly vindicating critics, that alone is a legitimate political story. So what's stopping the mainstream media from reporting on that bombshell? I'm pretty sure it's not because they're all out doing the diligent reportorial spadework into "the transparency of the passage of the Affordable Care Act."
With ObamaCare still unpopular, Republicans preparing to take over the Senate, and the fate of President Obama's signature legislation once again in the hands of the Supreme Court, for obvious partisan reasons, very few in the left-leaning mainstream media want to touch on the issue of ObamaCare corruption -- even though that is the obvious newsworthiness of Gruber's comments.
No one wants to pull on that thread. Which leads me to my final point…
The Post's argument is a snipe hunt. If Fox News did exactly as the Post requested, history proves it would change nothing. The important investigative work Fox has already done on stories like Benghazi, Fast and Furious, the IRS, and even ObamaCare, are usually ignored, downplayed, or Media Matters'd by the likes of the Washington Post.
If six freakin' videos aren't enough to grab the media's attention, nothing will. And even if Fox News did dig up a bigger bombshell a few weeks from now, the MSM would dismiss it as "old news."
After six years of President Obama, how the media works its protection racket is not a secret.
Although the Post is one of the few mainstream media outlets to cover Gruber's remarks, the Post has also been careful to spin the story as either a partisan issue (using headlines about how Republicans are outraged) or as an outright nothingburger (this is how the sausage is made).
Wemple seems to want to argue that a story -- backed by six videos of a man frequently trotted out as an ObamaCare expert by high-ranking Democrats like Nancy Pelosi -- isn’t quite buttoned up, or isn’t a story until the whole story can be told.
If the Washington Post wants to prove that ObamaCare's very own Gruber is lying about ObamaCare, I would think that a news outlet, responsible for such newsworthy bombshells as a 50 year-old haircut and 25 year-old rock, would have more than enough resources to do that on its own.
Of course, if the Post were to discover a truth inconvenient to the fate of ObamaCare, that's a real story and problem for ObamaCare.
But if Fox News uncovers that same truth, it can be put in a circular file marked IRSBENGHAZIFASTANDFURIOUS.
"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
From the same political mentality that spawned a President who tried to spin the definition of what"is" is. Some folks will believe anything.
I was in that first group who faced cancellations of their old policy because the new law forced coverage of numerous items not previously required. My old coverage was outlawed. My new coverage cost far more. Gov't forced this change, nothing else. I don't care if you call it cancellation or any other political spin you try to force down people's throats, the net effect is still the same.
My sig line still describes it best.
So if you went into the hospital and needed treatment that wasn't covered under your old plan, who would pay for it? You? I doubt it. It would fall on everyone else by the hospital raising the price on everything to cover their losses. You would not pay a dime and would not take a hit on your credit rating. And you still complain about socialism. 😛
You're conveniently forgetting all the "essential benefits" Obamacare forces upon everyone, whether they need it or not. As a 58 year old man, I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon. I don't need pediatric dental or vision care. I won't be getting a mammogram anytime soon. But those and many other things are forced upon me - pay up, no choice.
I had coverage for everything I could conceivably need. But Obamacare forced up my premiums on those, and required me to pay for things I can't possibly use. The net effect was a rate increase of between 2-3x.
Multiple that by millions. And now, the next wave is hitting, as companies downgrade their coverage or force people out to the exchanges because of unaffordable increases. A friend's company is facing $85,000+ in higher costs for about 25 employees. He can't afford this. His employees will probably face going out to the exchanges, and because they're not dirt poor, will get hit with huge rate increases and no subsidies.
Too bad the employer mandate didn't occur on schedule (last year). The wipeout of this year's midterms would have been even more epic.
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"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
From the same political mentality that spawned a President who tried to spin the definition of what"is" is. Some folks will believe anything.
I was in that first group who faced cancellations of their old policy because the new law forced coverage of numerous items not previously required. My old coverage was outlawed. My new coverage cost far more. Gov't forced this change, nothing else. I don't care if you call it cancellation or any other political spin you try to force down people's throats, the net effect is still the same.
My sig line still describes it best.
So if you went into the hospital and needed treatment that wasn't covered under your old plan, who would pay for it? You? I doubt it. It would fall on everyone else by the hospital raising the price on everything to cover their losses. You would not pay a dime and would not take a hit on your credit rating. And you still complain about socialism. 😛
You're conveniently forgetting all the "essential benefits" Obamacare forces upon everyone, whether they need it or not. As a 58 year old man, I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon. I don't need pediatric dental or vision care. I won't be getting a mammogram anytime soon. But those and many other things are forced upon me - pay up, no choice.
I had coverage for everything I could conceivably need. But Obamacare forced up my premiums on those, and required me to pay for things I can't possibly use. The net effect was a rate increase of between 2-3x.
Multiple that by millions. And now, the next wave is hitting, as companies downgrade their coverage or force people out to the exchanges because of unaffordable increases. A friend's company is facing $85,000+ in higher costs for about 25 employees. He can't afford this. His employees will probably face going out to the exchanges, and because they're not dirt poor, will get hit with huge rate increases and no subsidies.
Too bad the employer mandate didn't occur on schedule (last year). The wipeout of this year's midterms would have been even more epic.
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I find this to be a little odd. My plan does not include the things that you are complaining about paying for. And my plan is compliant. And my costs stayed the same. Strange. I wonder why. But, thinking about it, it appears only conservatives are having these problems. Why? I know! It's that damn Obama!!!!!!!!! He is paying back all of the conservatives who oppose him! Damn him!!!!!!! 😛
As a 58 year old man, I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon. I don't need pediatric dental or vision care.
I'm sorry you have lost all your teeth. You must have grown up in an area without fluorinated water. You must really miss a thick steak.
I'm shocked, shocked that you don't need eye care. Or? Are you blind and toothless?
As a 58 year old man, I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon. I don't need pediatric dental or vision care.
I'm sorry you have lost all your teeth. You must have grown up in an area without fluorinated water. You must really miss a thick steak.
I'm shocked, shocked that you don't need eye care. Or? Are you blind and toothless?
"Pediatric dental or vision care" means care for children.
Children I don't have, but am forced to pay for anyway.
Proving once again that those supporting it don't even understand it.
"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
From the same political mentality that spawned a President who tried to spin the definition of what"is" is. Some folks will believe anything.
I was in that first group who faced cancellations of their old policy because the new law forced coverage of numerous items not previously required. My old coverage was outlawed. My new coverage cost far more. Gov't forced this change, nothing else. I don't care if you call it cancellation or any other political spin you try to force down people's throats, the net effect is still the same.
My sig line still describes it best.
So if you went into the hospital and needed treatment that wasn't covered under your old plan, who would pay for it? You? I doubt it. It would fall on everyone else by the hospital raising the price on everything to cover their losses. You would not pay a dime and would not take a hit on your credit rating. And you still complain about socialism. 😛
You're conveniently forgetting all the "essential benefits" Obamacare forces upon everyone, whether they need it or not. As a 58 year old man, I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon. I don't need pediatric dental or vision care. I won't be getting a mammogram anytime soon. But those and many other things are forced upon me - pay up, no choice.
I had coverage for everything I could conceivably need. But Obamacare forced up my premiums on those, and required me to pay for things I can't possibly use. The net effect was a rate increase of between 2-3x.
Multiple that by millions. And now, the next wave is hitting, as companies downgrade their coverage or force people out to the exchanges because of unaffordable increases. A friend's company is facing $85,000+ in higher costs for about 25 employees. He can't afford this. His employees will probably face going out to the exchanges, and because they're not dirt poor, will get hit with huge rate increases and no subsidies.
Too bad the employer mandate didn't occur on schedule (last year). The wipeout of this year's midterms would have been even more epic.
I find this to be a little odd. My plan does not include the things that you are complaining about paying for. And my plan is compliant. And my costs stayed the same. Strange. I wonder why. But, thinking about it, it appears only conservatives are having these problems. Why? I know! It's that damn Obama!!!!!!!!! He is paying back all of the conservatives who oppose him! Damn him!!!!!!! 😛
When the facts can't be denied, deride those in opposition no matter how valid their case. Good little Alynsky-ite!
"Pediatric dental or vision care" means care for children.
Children I don't have, but am forced to pay for anyway.
Proving once again that those supporting it don't even understand it.
I've been a licensed insurance agent for a couple of decades. I have a pretty good understanding of the Law of Large Numbers and how insurance pools work.
Fuji it is obvious you want the poor to suffer without healthcare. You have no alternative. You are just a fog horn blowing noise. You don't want any solution. You don't care about the world being a better place or people getting just treatment. You just want to whine and moan.
If it is anger and spite that gets you through the day than keep on keeping on, but, your laments are just noise to me.
Give me a solution that gives every American healthcare and I'll listen.
Looks like those supporting the law are in a declining minority...
Gallup: 'New numerical low' for Obamacare
Support for Obamacare continues to decline, with the law hitting a new low in approval, and a new high in disapproval, as the second enrollment period has opened for Americans, according to Gallup.
Just 37 percent approve of the Affordable Care Act, 1 percentage point less than the previous low recorded in January, Gallup found in a new survey released Monday.
The pollster notes the approval results are a “new numerical low” for Obamacare.
The second enrollment season kicked off on Saturday, with minor snagsl however, enthusiasm for the law remains underwhelming. A majority of Americans disapprove of Obamacare, at 56 percent — a new high, Gallup said.
“The law’s new low in approval — and new high in disapproval (56%) — could potentially have an impact on its future,” the pollster notes, but adds that repeal is still unlikely.
The Gallup poll was conducted Nov.6-9 and surveyed 828 adults. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/poll-obamacare-approval-112948.html#ixzz3JKSO8EFs
So what?
"Pediatric dental or vision care" means care for children.
Children I don't have, but am forced to pay for anyway.
Proving once again that those supporting it don't even understand it.
I've been a licensed insurance agent for a couple of decades. I have a pretty good understanding of the Law of Large Numbers and how insurance pools work.
Fuji it is obvious you want the poor to suffer without healthcare. You have no alternative. You are just a fog horn blowing noise. You don't want any solution. You don't care about the world being a better place or people getting just treatment. You just want to whine and moan.
If it is anger and spite that gets you through the day than keep on keeping on, but, your laments are just noise to me.
Give me a solution that gives every American healthcare and I'll listen.
Yeah, pull out that old political tool of casting the opponent as a hater. If you didn't notice in the last elections, that one is loosing it's potency.
Here's what I want: honest gov't.
If you want to create a socialized system that takes from all to spread benefits around to all, then say so. Man up and be honest. Not this byzantine bs.
Be honest about the details and intent, and let people decide. Not supporting that indicates a lack of belief and respect for our form of representative gov't.
All this nonsense about knowing better than the people, or knowing what's best for them justifies the deceit, is just cover for abuses of power.
"Pediatric dental or vision care" means care for children.
Children I don't have, but am forced to pay for anyway.
Proving once again that those supporting it don't even understand it.
I've been a licensed insurance agent for a couple of decades. I have a pretty good understanding of the Law of Large Numbers and how insurance pools work.
Fuji it is obvious you want the poor to suffer without healthcare. You have no alternative. You are just a fog horn blowing noise. You don't want any solution. You don't care about the world being a better place or people getting just treatment. You just want to whine and moan.
If it is anger and spite that gets you through the day than keep on keeping on, but, your laments are just noise to me.
Give me a solution that gives every American healthcare and I'll listen.
X2
Their alternative is repeal with no plan but to revert to the previous system which was a wonderful success...right. Piss downstream from the top, and the middle & low classes will also do better. Is that the alternative? It seems to be the approach of many of the conservative solutions.
"A Virginia health official says, “Cancellation is a word that’s used all the time…but really what’s happened is the law has changed. We’re not allowed to offer those plans anymore. So what we’re saying to them is, you need to move to one that’s compliant with the law because that’s what we can offer.”
Not exactly the same as losing their coverage ...... who's telling lies now.....
From the same political mentality that spawned a President who tried to spin the definition of what"is" is. Some folks will believe anything.
I was in that first group who faced cancellations of their old policy because the new law forced coverage of numerous items not previously required. My old coverage was outlawed. My new coverage cost far more. Gov't forced this change, nothing else. I don't care if you call it cancellation or any other political spin you try to force down people's throats, the net effect is still the same.
My sig line still describes it best.
So if you went into the hospital and needed treatment that wasn't covered under your old plan, who would pay for it? You? I doubt it. It would fall on everyone else by the hospital raising the price on everything to cover their losses. You would not pay a dime and would not take a hit on your credit rating. And you still complain about socialism. 😛
You're conveniently forgetting all the "essential benefits" Obamacare forces upon everyone, whether they need it or not. As a 58 year old man, I doubt I'll be pregnant any time soon. I don't need pediatric dental or vision care. I won't be getting a mammogram anytime soon. But those and many other things are forced upon me - pay up, no choice.
I had coverage for everything I could conceivably need. But Obamacare forced up my premiums on those, and required me to pay for things I can't possibly use. The net effect was a rate increase of between 2-3x.
Multiple that by millions. And now, the next wave is hitting, as companies downgrade their coverage or force people out to the exchanges because of unaffordable increases. A friend's company is facing $85,000+ in higher costs for about 25 employees. He can't afford this. His employees will probably face going out to the exchanges, and because they're not dirt poor, will get hit with huge rate increases and no subsidies.
Too bad the employer mandate didn't occur on schedule (last year). The wipeout of this year's midterms would have been even more epic.
I find this to be a little odd. My plan does not include the things that you are complaining about paying for. And my plan is compliant. And my costs stayed the same. Strange. I wonder why. But, thinking about it, it appears only conservatives are having these problems. Why? I know! It's that damn Obama!!!!!!!!! He is paying back all of the conservatives who oppose him! Damn him!!!!!!! 😛
When the facts can't be denied, deride those in opposition no matter how valid their case. Good little Alynsky-ite!
That is pretty funny coming from you. I did state that my policy doesn't force that stuff on me that you are whining about. I find your comments to be bs.
What also is funny is that the conservatives don't want any bills passed that don't pay for themselves, blah blah blah... all the things they are putting on the table to change are all things that pay for the bill..... get rid of the medical device tax, get rid of the penalty for not having it, etc. Not that some of the ideas aren't bad and won't get implemented, but once again they are talking out of both sides of their mouth....
What also is funny is that the conservatives don't want any bills passed that don't pay for themselves, blah blah blah... all the things they are putting on the table to change are all things that pay for the bill..... get rid of the medical device tax, get rid of the penalty for not having it, etc. Not that some of the ideas aren't bad and won't get implemented, but once again they are talking out of both sides of their mouth....
No Conservatives ever supported the bill under any circumstances. And nobody making less than $250,000 was supposed to pay "one dime" in additional taxes, remember?
I find it hard to believe how few people care that Obama and his allies blatantly lied over and over again in order to pass a massive piece of legislation that NEVER would have passed if they were honest about it. When you come down to it that is all that matters. One of the hallmarks of the illiberal left is the idea "by any means necessary". That seems to me more and more what's going on here with this administration and its supporters. Any decent liberals or people who believe in the constitution and the rule of law should oppose this insanity.
What also is funny is that the conservatives don't want any bills passed that don't pay for themselves, blah blah blah... all the things they are putting on the table to change are all things that pay for the bill..... get rid of the medical device tax, get rid of the penalty for not having it, etc. Not that some of the ideas aren't bad and won't get implemented, but once again they are talking out of both sides of their mouth....
No Conservatives ever supported the bill under any circumstances. And nobody making less than $250,000 was supposed to pay "one dime" in additional taxes, remember?
And yet even with a Republican majority in the House the bill passed. How did that happen?
