then again, a flag is just an intimate cloth object
Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK
So there are only 1,987,000 African Americans in the USA? Try closer to 39,000,000. And you wonder why you don't get a response.
This is not about numbers, this is about percentages of the population. You said there are only 3% African Americans (actually you used the term black) in the UK. 13% of the US population is African American. Let's try again: How much more is 13%(of the US population) than 3%?(of the UK population)? In simpler terms, how many 3's are in 13? Take your time.
Maybe you meant to say that as a percentage of the population, there are four times more African Americans in the US than in the UK, not 4.3% more. I guess that's what you meant. I guess.
Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK
So there are only 1,987,000 African Americans in the USA? Try closer to 39,000,000. And you wonder why you don't get a response.
This is not about numbers, this is about percentages of the population. You said there are only 3% African Americans (actually you used the term black) in the UK. 13% of the US population is African American. Let's try again: How much more is 13%(of the US population) than 3%?(of the UK population)? In simpler terms, how many 3's are in 13? Take your time.
Maybe you meant to say that as a percentage of the population, there are four times more African Americans in the US than in the UK, not 4.3% more. I guess that's what you meant. I guess.
How ever you want to put it. Still no answers. Maybe you forgot there were questions. Here they are again, just in case:
1. Do you think everyone who could pass a background check like we give for firearms should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon? Why or Why not?
2. Do you believe African Americans are less able to handle firearms responsibly than other races?
3. Do you believe it is easier to kill yourself wityh a gun or another object, like a rock, kitchen knife, or baseball bat?
4. If we melt down all the cars except for police vehicles, what will happen to our auto related deaths? Will they go up or go down to almost nothing (like 0.25%)?
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by DougMacKenzie]
Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK
So there are only 1,987,000 African Americans in the USA? Try closer to 39,000,000. And you wonder why you don't get a response.
This is not about numbers, this is about percentages of the population. You said there are only 3% African Americans (actually you used the term black) in the UK. 13% of the US population is African American. Let's try again: How much more is 13%(of the US population) than 3%?(of the UK population)? In simpler terms, how many 3's are in 13? Take your time.
Maybe you meant to say that as a percentage of the population, there are four times more African Americans in the US than in the UK, not 4.3% more. I guess that's what you meant. I guess.
Oh my goodness, please! Its the same thing! A percentage is based on parts of 100, so 4.3 percent more would be 4 times more. Still no answers. Maybe you forgot there were questions. Here they are again, just in case:
1. Do you think everyone who could pass a background check like we give for firearms should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon? Why or Why not?
2. Do you believe African Americans are less able to handle firearms responsibly than other races?
3. Do you believe it is easier to kill yourself wityh a gun or another object, like a rock, kitchen knife, or baseball bat?
4. If we melt down all the cars except for police vehicles, what will happen to our auto related deaths? Will they go up or go down to almost nothing (like 0.25%)?
Sorry Doug, but 4.3% more is not the same as 4 times more. To put 4 times more into percentage terms, it would be 400% more. If you use 100 as your base number, 4.3% of 100 is 4.3, while 400% of 100 is 400.
Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK
So there are only 1,987,000 African Americans in the USA? Try closer to 39,000,000. And you wonder why you don't get a response.
This is not about numbers, this is about percentages of the population. You said there are only 3% African Americans (actually you used the term black) in the UK. 13% of the US population is African American. Let's try again: How much more is 13%(of the US population) than 3%?(of the UK population)? In simpler terms, how many 3's are in 13? Take your time.
Maybe you meant to say that as a percentage of the population, there are four times more African Americans in the US than in the UK, not 4.3% more. I guess that's what you meant. I guess.
Oh my goodness, please! Its the same thing! A percentage is based on parts of 100, so 4.3 percent more would be 4 times more. Still no answers. Maybe you forgot there were questions. Here they are again, just in case:
1. Do you think everyone who could pass a background check like we give for firearms should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon? Why or Why not?
2. Do you believe African Americans are less able to handle firearms responsibly than other races?
3. Do you believe it is easier to kill yourself wityh a gun or another object, like a rock, kitchen knife, or baseball bat?
4. If we melt down all the cars except for police vehicles, what will happen to our auto related deaths? Will they go up or go down to almost nothing (like 0.25%)?Sorry Doug, but 4.3% more is not the same as 4 times more. To put 4 times more into percentage terms, it would be 400% more. If you use 100 as your base number, 4.3% of 100 is 4.3, while 400% of 100 is 400.
Yes, I know, major brain fart. I must apologize to alloak for the math mishap. Sorry oak. It is 4 times more African Americans in the US than UK, while firearm related deaths are 41 times more in the US than UK. The point remains, and so do the questions.
I'll ask you some questions point blank;
1. Do you think everyone who could pass a background check like we give for firearms should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon? Why or Why not?
2. Do you believe African Americans are less able to handle firearms responsibly than other races?
3. Do you believe it is easier to kill yourself wityh a gun or another object, like a rock, kitchen knife, or baseball bat?
4. If we melt down all the cars except for police vehicles, what will happen to our auto related deaths? Will they go up or go down to almost nothing (like 0.25%)?[Edited on 6/22/2015 by DougMacKenzie]
If you insist...
1. No. We all have a right to self defense, and most reasonable people would conclude a gun is sufficient.
2. If shooting another African American is considered irresponsible, then yes. Perhaps the issue is overblown, but there seems to be evidence that black on black murder and young black men dying from gunfire is a substantial problem.
3. My guess is that no method of suicide is easy.
4. Owning an automobile is not a Right. The question is totally irrelevant (among other things.)
Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK
So there are only 1,987,000 African Americans in the USA? Try closer to 39,000,000. And you wonder why you don't get a response.
This is not about numbers, this is about percentages of the population. You said there are only 3% African Americans (actually you used the term black) in the UK. 13% of the US population is African American. Let's try again: How much more is 13%(of the US population) than 3%?(of the UK population)? In simpler terms, how many 3's are in 13? Take your time.
Maybe you meant to say that as a percentage of the population, there are four times more African Americans in the US than in the UK, not 4.3% more. I guess that's what you meant. I guess.
Oh my goodness, please! Its the same thing! A percentage is based on parts of 100, so 4.3 percent more would be 4 times more. Still no answers. Maybe you forgot there were questions. Here they are again, just in case:
1. Do you think everyone who could pass a background check like we give for firearms should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon? Why or Why not?
2. Do you believe African Americans are less able to handle firearms responsibly than other races?
3. Do you believe it is easier to kill yourself wityh a gun or another object, like a rock, kitchen knife, or baseball bat?
4. If we melt down all the cars except for police vehicles, what will happen to our auto related deaths? Will they go up or go down to almost nothing (like 0.25%)?Sorry Doug, but 4.3% more is not the same as 4 times more. To put 4 times more into percentage terms, it would be 400% more. If you use 100 as your base number, 4.3% of 100 is 4.3, while 400% of 100 is 400.
Yes, I know, major brain fart. I must apologize to alloak for the math mishap. Sorry oak. It is 4 times more African Americans in the US than UK, while firearm related deaths are 41 times more in the US than UK. The point remains, and so do the questions.
How many African Americans are there in the UK again? 😉
Here's some help: we have 4.3% more African Americans than the UK
So there are only 1,987,000 African Americans in the USA? Try closer to 39,000,000. And you wonder why you don't get a response.
This is not about numbers, this is about percentages of the population. You said there are only 3% African Americans (actually you used the term black) in the UK. 13% of the US population is African American. Let's try again: How much more is 13%(of the US population) than 3%?(of the UK population)? In simpler terms, how many 3's are in 13? Take your time.
Maybe you meant to say that as a percentage of the population, there are four times more African Americans in the US than in the UK, not 4.3% more. I guess that's what you meant. I guess.
Oh my goodness, please! Its the same thing! A percentage is based on parts of 100, so 4.3 percent more would be 4 times more. Still no answers. Maybe you forgot there were questions. Here they are again, just in case:
1. Do you think everyone who could pass a background check like we give for firearms should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon? Why or Why not?
2. Do you believe African Americans are less able to handle firearms responsibly than other races?
3. Do you believe it is easier to kill yourself wityh a gun or another object, like a rock, kitchen knife, or baseball bat?
4. If we melt down all the cars except for police vehicles, what will happen to our auto related deaths? Will they go up or go down to almost nothing (like 0.25%)?Sorry Doug, but 4.3% more is not the same as 4 times more. To put 4 times more into percentage terms, it would be 400% more. If you use 100 as your base number, 4.3% of 100 is 4.3, while 400% of 100 is 400.
Yes, I know, major brain fart. I must apologize to alloak for the math mishap. Sorry oak. It is 4 times more African Americans in the US than UK, while firearm related deaths are 41 times more in the US than UK. The point remains, and so do the questions.
How many African Americans are there in the UK again? 😉
We both meant to say African Englishmen.
The problem is not the guns; it is the people:
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by Muleman1994]
I dunno, Mac. Walking into a church service and opening fire on unsuspecting individuals (violating a religious act/rite) sounds pretty terroristic to me. I guess I'll get my Funky-Wagnall out and reexamine the actual definition.
I mean, it could be. But my first reaction is this is a sick puppy with a gun, not some ideological extremist.
And the media shouldn't show his picture or even reveal his name. You shouldn't be able to get famous this way. That might be what the next guy wants.... Also, just report the story and move on without making it a 24/7 event.
IMO
I'll ask you some questions point blank;
1. Do you think everyone who could pass a background check like we give for firearms should be allowed to have a nuclear weapon? Why or Why not?
2. Do you believe African Americans are less able to handle firearms responsibly than other races?
3. Do you believe it is easier to kill yourself wityh a gun or another object, like a rock, kitchen knife, or baseball bat?
4. If we melt down all the cars except for police vehicles, what will happen to our auto related deaths? Will they go up or go down to almost nothing (like 0.25%)?[Edited on 6/22/2015 by DougMacKenzie]
If you insist...
1. No. We all have a right to self defense, and most reasonable people would conclude a gun is sufficient.
2. If shooting another African American is considered irresponsible, then yes. Perhaps the issue is overblown, but there seems to be evidence that black on black murder and young black men dying from gunfire is a substantial problem.
3. My guess is that no method of suicide is easy.
4. Owning an automobile is not a Right. The question is totally irrelevant (among other things.)
Thanks for the responses.
1. But the reason you wouldn't want nukes available to the general population is because it would be so extremely dangerous and likely terrible things would happen. Same with machine guns, rocket launchers, etc. It is now the same with guns. Wouldn't tasers be sufficient?
2. Are you saying that race should be a determining factor in who gets to own a gun because African Americans are not as responsible as other races?
3. Non answer. Obviously it is much easier to kill yourself with a gun, and a task much more quickly and efficiently carried out with a firearm. If you want to argue that as a right, that's another topic.
4. Automobiles are inanimate metal objects; they don't kill people. Relates straight to your point about guns. Another non answer, but we all know auto related deaths would go down significantly with fewer autos. Same with guns.
All this being said, I have to agree with Bhawk that this will never change in the US no matter what happens. It has become a blatantly political issue that has pretty clear dividing lines, tons of lobbyist financing, and intense emotional content. As Americans we generally seem willing to tolerate our high rates of firearm related deaths as acceptable collateral damage, just as we do with auto deaths. Europe uses the bus system. Oh well.
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by DougMacKenzie]
How many African Americans are there in the UK again? 😉
Okay, oikay already. What oak said. You're killing me here gondi! 
The problem is not the guns; it is the people:
[Edited on 6/22/2015 by Muleman1994]
These stats are correct, but they could just as easily represent the effects of chronic poverty as race. Without the guns, all the numbers go way down. There are just too many guns and they are way too easy to get.
I dunno, Mac. Walking into a church service and opening fire on unsuspecting individuals (violating a religious act/rite) sounds pretty terroristic to me. I guess I'll get my Funky-Wagnall out and reexamine the actual definition.
I mean, it could be. But my first reaction is this is a sick puppy with a gun, not some ideological extremist.
And the media shouldn't show his picture or even reveal his name. You shouldn't be able to get famous this way. That might be what the next guy wants.... Also, just report the story and move on without making it a 24/7 event.
IMO
x2
http://www.vpc.org/press/1501gundeath.htm
States with Weak Gun Laws and Higher Gun Ownership Lead Nation in Gun Deaths, New Data for 2013 Confirms
Alaska, Louisiana Have Highest Gun Death Rates in the Nation; Hawaii, Massachusetts Have Lowest
Washington, DC — Newly available data for 2013 reveals that states with weak gun violence prevention laws and higher rates of gun ownership have the highest overall gun death rates in the nation, according to a Violence Policy Center (VPC) analysis of data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s National Center for Injury Prevention and Control.
Meanwhile, states with the lowest overall gun death rates have lower rates of gun ownership and some of the strongest gun violence prevention laws in the nation. However, even in these states the human toll of gun violence is far above the gun death rate in other industrialized nations.
The VPC analysis refers to overall gun death rates in 2013, the most recent year for which data is available. A table of the states with the five highest gun death rates and the five lowest gun death rates is below. For a list of gun death rates in all 50 states, see http://www.vpc.org/fadeathchart15.htm.
States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
States with the Five Lowest Gun Death Rates
Rank
State
Household Gun Ownership Gun Death Rate per 100,000 Rank State Household Gun Ownership Gun Death Rate per 100,000
1 Alaska 60.6 percent 19.59 50 Hawaii 9.7 percent 2.71
2 Louisiana 45.6 percent 19.15 49 Massachusetts 12.8 percent 3.18
3 Alabama 57.2 percent 17.79 48 New York 18.1 percent 4.39
4 Mississippi 54.3 percent 17.55 47 Connecticut 16.2 percent 4.48
5 Wyoming 62.8 percent 17.51 46 Rhode Island 13.3 percent 5.33
The five states with the highest per capita gun death rates in 2013 were Alaska, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, and Wyoming. Each of these states has extremely lax gun violence prevention laws as well as a higher rate of gun ownership. The state with the lowest gun death rate in the nation was Hawaii, followed by Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut, and Rhode Island. Each of these states has strong gun violence prevention laws and a lower rate of gun ownership.
“Reducing exposure to firearms and having stronger gun laws saves lives,” says VPC Legislative Director Kristen Rand. “Each year, the data consistently show that states with strong gun violence prevention laws and low rates of gun ownership have the lowest gun death rates in the nation. The highest gun death rates are in states with weak gun violence prevention laws and easy access to guns.”
“This report should be a wake-up call to state legislators,” says Cathie Whittenburg, communications director of States United to Prevent Gun Violence. “There is no higher priority for elected officials than enacting laws that keep families safe from death and injury.”
The nationwide gun death rate was 10.64 per 100,000. The total number of Americans killed by gunfire rose to 33,636 in 2013 from 33,563 in 2012.
America’s gun death rates — both nationwide and in the states — dwarf those of other industrialized nations. In 2011, the gun death rate in the United Kingdom was 0.23 per 100,000 and in Australia the gun death rate was 0.86 per 100,000. (Data for these countries is available at GunPolicy.org, hosted by the Sydney School of Public Health at the University of Sydney in Australia).
State gun death rates are calculated by dividing the number of gun deaths by the total state population and multiplying the result by 100,000 to obtain the rate per 100,000, which is the standard and accepted method for comparing fatal levels of gun violence.
The VPC defined states with “weak” gun violence prevention laws as those that add little or nothing to federal law and have permissive laws governing the open or concealed carrying of firearms in public. States with “strong” gun violence prevention laws were defined as those that add significant state regulation that is absent from federal law, such as restricting access to particularly hazardous and deadly types of firearms (for example, assault weapons), setting minimum safety standards for firearms and/or requiring a permit to purchase a firearm, and restricting the open and concealed carrying of firearms in public.
State gun ownership rates were obtained from the September 2005 Pediatrics article “Prevalence of Household Firearms and Firearm-Storage Practices in the 50 States and the District of Columbia: Findings From the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System, 2002,” which is the most recent comprehensive published data available on state gun ownership.
The Cities with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest gun murders in the U.S.
Chicago and Baltimore for instance.
The so-called “gun control” legislation does nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining a gun. This is true in the U.S. as well as entire countries that prohibit all guns.
Just like drugs, legislation cannot stop gun violence.
The Cities with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest gun murders in the U.S.
Chicago and Baltimore for instance.The so-called “gun control” legislation does nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining a gun. This is true in the U.S. as well as entire countries that prohibit all guns.
Just like drugs, legislation cannot stop gun violence.
The fact that cities that have a lot of gun violence have tougher gun laws ignores the fact that those cities imposed those laws because gun violence was already high. Oh, and Chicago's murder right has been declining. I'd post a link but you wouldn't read it anyway.
Making burglary and murder illegal hasn't stopped them from happening. Maybe we should forget about those laws too?
Why has there never been a mass shooting at a gun show?
Making burglary and murder illegal hasn't stopped them from happening. Maybe we should forget about those laws too?
Burglary and murder are not Rights granted by the Constitution. Owning a gun is, a fact seemingly forgotten by the gun control nuts.
Why has there never been a mass shooting at a gun show?
Do only mass shootings count, because lots of people get shot at gun shows?
Tons of stories out there about shootings at gun shows, but here is a story about 5 people getting shot at guns shows (3 different shows) on the same day. Accidents or not, they certainly show guns shows aren't the safest places to hang around.
http://www.vibe.com/2013/01/5-people-shot-accident-gun-shows-one-day/
5 People Shot By Accident at Gun Shows in One Day
As America continues to debate stricter guns laws following the devastating Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting last December, Saturday wasn’t exactly a victory for pro-gun enthusiasts, as five people were injured at three separate gun shows.
36-year-old Gary Lynn Wilson was trying to get himself and his 12-gauge shotgun into the Dixie Gun and Knife Show in Raleigh, N.C. when it discharged. The gun accidentally went off as he was taking it out of his case for routine inspection. A 50-year-old man, a 54-year-old woman, as well as a 54-year-old retired sheriff’s deputy were injured by birdshot from the misfired gun. Luckily, the injuries were non-life-threatening and the two-day Raleigh gun show will go on, but no one will be allowed to sell or bring their own guns inside on the final day.
The second gun show shooting happened in Indianapolis, IN. Emory L. Cozee, 54, shot himself while loading his .45 caliber semi-automatic as he was leaving the Indy 1500 Gun and Knife show, where loaded personal weapons aren’t allowed inside. The man was hospitalized and will not be charged.
In Ohio, a gun dealer shot his friend accidentally when showing off his new semi-automatic handgun at a gun show. According to an ABC report, the gun’s magazinehad been removed from the firearm, but one round remained in the chamber. The bullet bounced off the floor and hit the pal in the arm and leg.
These incidents ironically happened on a day where thousands of people across the U.S. rallied in front of state capitals against stricter gun laws.
Making burglary and murder illegal hasn't stopped them from happening. Maybe we should forget about those laws too?
Burglary and murder are not Rights granted by the Constitution. Owning a gun is, a fact seemingly forgotten by the gun control nuts.
Maybe that is forgotten by "gun control nuts" but people who aren't nuts can clearly see that there is a need for regulation. In fact, the Constitution itself says "well-regulated" and therein lies the rub, i.e. how to define "well-regulated." And you don't have to be a nut to understand that.
Why has there never been a mass shooting at a gun show?
Ever heard the term "don't sh!t where you eat?"
The Cities with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest gun murders in the U.S.
Chicago and Baltimore for instance.The so-called “gun control” legislation does nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining a gun. This is true in the U.S. as well as entire countries that prohibit all guns.
Just like drugs, legislation cannot stop gun violence.
The fact that cities that have a lot of gun violence have tougher gun laws ignores the fact that those cities imposed those laws because gun violence was already high. Oh, and Chicago's murder right has been declining. I'd post a link but you wouldn't read it anyway.
Making burglary and murder illegal hasn't stopped them from happening. Maybe we should forget about those laws too?
_______________________________________________________________________
Chicago has been falsifying crime statistics, primarily of murder and by race for years now.
There is a lawsuit being litigated now on the matter.
The Cities with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest gun murders in the U.S.
Chicago and Baltimore for instance.The so-called “gun control” legislation does nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining a gun. This is true in the U.S. as well as entire countries that prohibit all guns.
Just like drugs, legislation cannot stop gun violence.
Lost in the morass of all the name-calling is the fact that SOUTH CAROLINA's existing gun laws should have prevented Roof's ability to purchase a gun. He had been arrested for a felony before he purchased the gun in April. Legislation w/o enforcement is toothless.
The Cities with the most restrictive gun laws have the highest gun murders in the U.S.
Chicago and Baltimore for instance.The so-called “gun control” legislation does nothing to prevent criminals from obtaining a gun. This is true in the U.S. as well as entire countries that prohibit all guns.
Just like drugs, legislation cannot stop gun violence.
Lost in the morass of all the name-calling is the fact that SOUTH CAROLINA's existing gun laws should have prevented Roof's ability to purchase a gun. He had been arrested for a felony before he purchased the gun in April. Legislation w/o enforcement is toothless.
He had been arrested, but his case had not yet gone to trial. As he was innocent until proven guilty, he could buy the gun.
Another side of this particular tragedy that I find truly impressive is the attitude of the family members of the victims and of so many of the residents of Charleston. There are still strong, good hearted people in this world.
Lost in the morass of all the name-calling is the fact that SOUTH CAROLINA's existing gun laws should have prevented Roof's ability to purchase a gun. He had been arrested for a felony before he purchased the gun in April. Legislation w/o enforcement is toothless.
He had been arrested, but his case had not yet gone to trial. As he was innocent until proven guilty, he could buy the gun.
A felony arrest would have been sufficient to block the sale under federal drug laws. However, the sale was actually a misdemeanor.
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2015/06/19/gun-laws-dylann-roof/29016743/
Another side of this particular tragedy that I find truly impressive is the attitude of the family members of the victims and of so many of the residents of Charleston. There are still strong, good hearted people in this world.
True.
Unfortunately there also seems to be more & more of the wack jobs - neighborhood watch cop wannabes who kill innocent teens, movie theater mass murder types, elementary school mass murder types, church mass murder types. Sad to say but these examples described are becoming a regular thing.
Lost in the morass of all the name-calling is the fact that SOUTH CAROLINA's existing gun laws should have prevented Roof's ability to purchase a gun. He had been arrested for a felony before he purchased the gun in April. Legislation w/o enforcement is toothless.
He had been arrested, but his case had not yet gone to trial. As he was innocent until proven guilty, he could buy the gun.
A felony arrest would have been sufficient to block the sale under federal drug laws. However, the sale was actually a misdemeanor.
http://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/local/2015/06/19/gun-laws-dylann-roof/29016743//blockquote >
OK, got it. I stand corrected.
Another side of this particular tragedy that I find truly impressive is the attitude of the family members of the victims and of so many of the residents of Charleston. There are still strong, good hearted people in this world.
Yes. The one unsettling aspect is that Roof's friend Meeks actually took the gun away from Roof because he was concerned that Roof was plotting something big. Unfortunately, having the gun was a violation of Meeks' probation so he returned the gun. I wish he had turned it into the police, but he can't be blamed for Roof's actions.
