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BoytonBrother
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And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them.

Then I guess the only option is boots on the ground, eradicate the enemy, and stay there for as long as it takes to rebuild. Correct?


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 8:50 am
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Maybe Bibi just doesn't want peace?

I don't know why so many folks are rooting against a diplomatic solution. Who's kids are first in line for war? I don't have any, but if I did I'd be rooting even harder for a diplomatic solution.

If Johnny comes marching home... ever again, if he has legs to march with... hurrah. Hurrah.

I don't think we disagree on wanting peace; just on its possibility/viability and where we lay the blame. And if we have this breach in the NY Metropolitan area you can only imagine how deep the rift is in the Mid East

It's a typical tactic to accuse anyone who rejects apeasement of a savage enemy to be a warmonger. Churchill was so accused. Reagan of course was so accused. Now Netanyahu is so accused.

What exactly is this appeasement you speak of? Just by talking to them? That's comical.

You know full well what I am referring to. It has been in every article describing the terms that Obama is going to agree to. It's not a secret. He claims it will stop their progress towards a weapon. That is a lie.

If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You talk to your enemies." - Moshe Dayan.

Ronald Reagan is turning over in his grave. He championed the two state solution.

Look this is the only thing I am going to say on this subject. There are a lot of people here who have a visceral hatred for Israel for assorted reasons. I am not going to change anyone's mind. But as Pat Moynahan said, you are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Some sort of two state solution has been U.S. policy since 1967. It has also been Israeli policy as Israel immediately IN 1967 offered to negotiate for the return of territory it captured. They were given the three No's. Perhaps you are familiar with that. No Peace. No negotiation. No recognition of Israel. Since 1994 when Israel signed the Oslo accords which set up Palestinian autonomy, the Palsetinians have proven that they have no interest in a resolution of the conflict. They have been offered around 95 percent of what they claimed to seek at least three times and turned it down each time. The last time Abbas, a Holocaust Denier by the way, never even responded. To any fair minded person it is clear that the Palestinians simply do not want a negotiated two state solution. And why should they? However intransigent they are, the world simply demands more from Israel and nothing from them. Obama has not once not even once, criticized Abbas for refusing or failing to negotiate let alone for failing to take such an incredible offer. Now that is done. The Palestinians simply will not accept a state and live in peace with Israel. Not even if Israel divides Jerusalem. Not even if Israel returns to the armistice lines of 1948 (which of course they can't and won't). The Palestinian national movement seeks an Arab state in place of Israel. In point of fact, I cannot think of one single concession that the Palestinians have made since 1994, not one.

Furthermore, even if Abbas decided to accept the deals offered to him, everyone knows that he would be overrun by Hamas within months. While I realize none of the smug lefties here care that Israelis have been subject to constant rocket fire from Gaza and basically lived for months in shelters, nevertheless, Israel is not about to put its airport and major population centers under Palestinian fire. But it doesn't matter anyway because Abbas will never agree to anything that requires him in any way to live in peace with a Jewish state. He simply won't.

Many of you here will say so what, Israel is wrong so Israel should go. Fine. Naturally I think that is an evil vile position. But at least own it and stop talking about a phony two state solution. Simply admit the truth which is you support efforts to end the Jewish state of Israel.

For those of you who really still harbor dreams of two states living in peace, (as plenty of left wing Jews and Israelis still do) recognize it is NOT going to happen for the reasons I outlined above. Israel could remove every settler and it would STILL not happen because the settlers are the least of the things preventing peace.

I am not even getting into the falseness of the narrative that Israel stole and occupied Palestinian land. The majority of the places where there are Jewish settlements from after 1967 were places where Jews lived before 1948 and which were destroyed by Jordan after the War of Independence. This includes Jerusalem. This land will not be returned nor should it be nor can it be. Israelis who have the experience of actualy living through the last 20 years, by a large consensus have given up on negotiating with Abbas the Holocaust denier. This is why the Israeli left has been destroyed. It has been discredited by the horrific Oslo process which has brought no peace to Israel but instead constant terror, war misery and on top of all that nothing but attacks from the rest of the world.

All that said, the Israelis have NO interest in ruling over or controlling the lives of any hostile Palestinians. That is why they have been trying SO hard to disengage with them. Naturally a peace agreement like with Egypt would have been the best way to do that. You may ask, why doesn't Israel just pull up its border and stop ruling them? Here are the reasons. Many of them not recognized or accepted but all true.

1. The Palestinians cannot rule themselves. They cannot survive as a state without massive influx of foreign aid and without Israeli aid and support. If Israel washes its hands "Palestine" will become a failed state immediately. Oslo envisoned something resembling an economic federation between the two. That cannot happen.
2. There is so much terror and fanatisicm in the region, "Palestine" will immediately be taken over by Hamas and/or Isis which will make immediate war on Israel from a place mere miles from the population centers and the airport.
3. Israel will be unable to defend itself against the new "Palestine" anymore than it can defend itself now without constant international condemnation.

That said there are really only two things that can be done and neither is a solution. This is not a problem that can presently be "solved". First is the status quo. That seems to be the course favored by Netanyahu and the majority of the Israelis. Although I defer to them normally, I think its a mistake. I would prefer the second course which is to declare a formal border which would include the close to Jerusalem settlements where the vast majority of the "settlers" are (these areas are closer to downtown Jerusalem than Wall Street is to Madison Square Garden) put up a huge border, fortify that border and vow instant retaliation (and mean it) against ANY attack coming from the other side. Palestinians caught on the wrong side assuming they are not terrorists, can accept Israeli citizenship or leave and go to "Palestine". Israelis on the wrong side, naturally will need to return to Israel and settlements outside will be removed.

There will be no peace but rather a state of war but at least Israel won't be ruling the Palestinians and with sufficient deterrent, the war can be cold instead of hot.

There is no solution and no other way except the final solution that ends Israel. If that's how any of you feel just come out and say it and let's stop pretending.

If you think anything I have said is wrong, do some reading from non leftist sources to see what has actually happened. Every word is fact.


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 8:54 am
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And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them.

Then I guess the only option is boots on the ground, eradicate the enemy, and stay there for as long as it takes to rebuild. Correct?

What a tiny imagination you have to only be able to see either total capitulation or erradication.


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 8:55 am
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What do you propose then?


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 8:57 am
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Whoa. Wow.


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 9:30 am
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 9:57 am
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/27/world/middleeast/palestinian-leader-shifts-on-holocaust.html?_r=0

JERUSALEM — President Mahmoud Abbas of the Palestinian Authority issued a formal statement on Sunday calling the Holocaust “the most heinous crime to have occurred against humanity in the modern era” and expressing sympathy with victims’ families.

The statement, which grew out of a meeting a week ago between Mr. Abbas and an American rabbi who promotes understanding between Muslims and Jews, is the first such offering of condolences by the Palestinian leader.

Mr. Abbas has been vilified as a Holocaust denier because in his doctoral dissertation, published as a book in 1983, he challenged the number of Jewish victims and argued that Zionists had collaborated with Nazis to propel more people to what would become Israel. A senior Israeli minister, incensed at quotations from Hitler highlighted on Facebook pages affiliated with the Palestinian Authority, denounced Mr. Abbas earlier this year as “the most anti-Semitic leader in the world” at a conference in Tel Aviv.

Mr. Abbas had already backtracked from the book, saying in a 2011 interview that he did “not deny the Holocaust” and that he had “heard from the Israelis that there were six million” victims, adding, “I can accept that.”

But the statement published in English and Arabic on Sunday morning by Wafa, the official Palestinian news agency, goes further, describing the Holocaust as “a reflection of the concept of ethnic discrimination and racism, which the Palestinians strongly reject and act against.”

“The Palestinian people, who suffer from injustice, oppression and denied freedom and peace, are the first to demand to lift the injustice and racism that befell other peoples subjected to such crimes,” Mr. Abbas said. “We call on the Israeli government to seize the current opportunity to conclude a just and comprehensive peace in the region, based on the two states vision.”

Yad Vashem, the center for Holocaust research in Jerusalem, said in an email on Sunday afternoon that Mr. Abbas’s statement “might signal a change” from a situation in which “Holocaust denial and revisionism are sadly prevalent in the Arab world, including among Palestinians.” The email said “we expect” the new approach to “be reflected” in Palestinian websites, school curriculums “and discourse,” and encouraged the use of its Arabic-language websites and YouTube videos.

“Acknowledging the crimes of the Holocaust is fundamental to anyone who wants to confront history honestly,” the email said.

The timing — on the eve of Holocaust Remembrance Day and two days before the scheduled expiration of deadlocked Israeli-Palestinian peace talks — turned out to be terrible.

Last week, the Palestine Liberation Organization, of which Mr. Abbas is chairman, moved to repair its seven-year rift with the militant Islamist faction Hamas, prompting Israel to halt the talks that Secretary of State John Kerry started last summer.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel dismissed Mr. Abbas’s statement, telling his cabinet on Sunday morning that “Hamas denies the Holocaust even as it attempts to create an additional Holocaust by destroying the State of Israel.”

“Instead of issuing statements designed to placate global public opinion, Abu Mazen needs to choose between the alliance with Hamas, a terrorist organization that calls for the destruction of Israel and denies the Holocaust, and a true peace with Israel,” Mr. Netanyahu said, using Mr. Abbas’s nickname, according to a statement distributed by his press office. “We hope that he will disavow this alliance with Hamas and return to the path of true peace.”

In a speech on Saturday to the P.L.O.'s central council, Mr. Abbas said that the new government he would form under the reconciliation agreement with Hamas would adhere to prior P.L.O. agreements, recognize Israel and renounce violence. He said he remained willing to extend the negotiations with Israel if it released a promised group of long-serving Palestinian prisoners and if the next three months were devoted to drawing borders.

And he repeated his vow: “I’ll never recognize Israel as a Jewish state.”

The rabbi who prompted the Holocaust statement, Marc Schneier, is the founder of both the celebrity-studded modern Orthodox Hampton Synagogue and the New York-based Foundation for Ethnic Understanding, a 25-year-old group that fosters relations between Jews and Muslims, blacks and Latinos. Rabbi Schneier said he met with Mr. Abbas at his West Bank headquarters for about 40 minutes last Sunday to enlist his support against European crackdowns on ritual animal slaughter and human circumcision, and for a program that would establish partnerships between Palestinian mosques and Israeli synagogues.

When he suggested that it would be “very significant, very meaningful” for Mr. Abbas to make a statement for Holocaust Remembrance Day, Rabbi Schneier recalled in an interview, the president agreed “before I could finish my statement.”

“It was very heartfelt, very genuine,” Rabbi Schneier said.

“Of course he expressed his frustration on the negotiations, on the peace process — I’ll leave that up to the political leaders,” he added. “I’m a great believer that Muslim-Jewish reconciliation worldwide transcends the Israeli-Palestinian process. We’re working on the spiritual peace process.”


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 10:44 am
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html/blockquote >

So do you believe the Israeli's are committing genocide against the Palestinian people or were these collateral civilian deaths as a result of an Israeli response to Palestinian border attacks.

I am not saying the Israeli's could not be a little more selective in their military operations but IMHO seems like it is the latter.


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 10:56 am
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So do you believe the Israeli's are committing genocide against the Palestinian people or were these collateral civilian deaths as a result of an Israeli response to Palestinian border attacks.

I am not saying the Israeli's could not be a little more selective in their military operations but IMHO seems like it is the latter.

I don't have the numbers but I know civilians are being killed because of the Israeli settlements. Even an American, Rachel Corrie, was bulldozed to death in 1993 while protesting the Israeli occupation and land grab. There have been wide spread reports of Palestinian families who would not leave their homes who were also knowingly bulldozed to death.

The whole chicken or egg argument is BS in my mind. The Palestinians are responding to the invasion of their lands. That seems clear to me.

Obviously others see it differently.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

http://www.texemarrs.com/072003/rachel_corrie.htm

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/

There has even been a lawsuit brought against Caterpillar for the destruction of more than 4000 Palestinian homes.

http://ccrjustice.org/learn-more/faqs/factsheet%3A-home-demolitions-and-caterpillar

It seems to be Standard Operating Procedure to destroy the homes of the families of Palestinian soldiers who take up arms against Israel.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/11/19/watch-israel-demolishes-palestinian-home-as-punishment/

The Israeli killing isn't limited to bulldozers. Sometimes they just shoot unarmed teens in the head.

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/12/killed-checkpoint-palestinian


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 1:06 pm
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html/blockquote >

That is because the Palestinians led by Hamas fire rockets at Israel from civilian populated areas and then hide like chicken sh_t mice among the population. Israel then has no choice but to fire back at the positions that fired at them which are like I said in populated areas. The Palestinians do this on purpose because they are cowards, Also for the sole purpose of causing high casualties among their own people as to try to make Israel look like bullies. Israel never instigates these attacks and are usually very slow to respond showing a lot more patience then we would if a neighboring country started aimlessly shooting rockets into populated US cities.

If there is ever to be any kind of two state solution these attacks will have to stop forever and somehow assurances have to be made that they won't happen anymore in the future. Is that possible??? Doubtful, but I believe it is important to keep trying because you never know and as long as we keep trying then the truth will be exposed as to who really want peace and a two state solution. People who really want a two state solution wouldn't constantly bomb the country that would be the second country with them in that two state solution nor would they not recognize them and call for their destruction.


 
Posted : March 24, 2015 2:35 pm
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html/blockquote >

You are insane.


 
Posted : March 25, 2015 5:55 am
dougrhon
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html/blockquote >

So do you believe the Israeli's are committing genocide against the Palestinian people or were these collateral civilian deaths as a result of an Israeli response to Palestinian border attacks.

I am not saying the Israeli's could not be a little more selective in their military operations but IMHO seems like it is the latter.

You are trying to deal with insanity with reason. It's like trying to convince Stalin that maybe he should give people a fair trial before he shoots them.


 
Posted : March 25, 2015 5:56 am
dougrhon
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html/blockquote >

That is because the Palestinians led by Hamas fire rockets at Israel from civilian populated areas and then hide like chicken sh_t mice among the population. Israel then has no choice but to fire back at the positions that fired at them which are like I said in populated areas. The Palestinians do this on purpose because they are cowards, Also for the sole purpose of causing high casualties among their own people as to try to make Israel look like bullies. Israel never instigates these attacks and are usually very slow to respond showing a lot more patience then we would if a neighboring country started aimlessly shooting rockets into populated US cities.

If there is ever to be any kind of two state solution these attacks will have to stop forever and somehow assurances have to be made that they won't happen anymore in the future. Is that possible??? Doubtful, but I believe it is important to keep trying because you never know and as long as we keep trying then the truth will be exposed as to who really want peace and a two state solution. People who really want a two state solution wouldn't constantly bomb the country that would be the second country with them in that two state solution nor would they not recognize them and call for their destruction.

As I said, I am personally ready to just pull up stakes declare a border and end it. The victims of this will be the Palestinians who will not be able to survive or cope without the Israeli aid and support they have been given. Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.


 
Posted : March 25, 2015 5:58 am
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Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received


 
Posted : March 25, 2015 1:22 pm
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Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received/blockquote >

How does what you cite prove the statement is false. Name another country that provides aid and support for an enemy that seeks to destroy it.


 
Posted : March 26, 2015 8:04 am
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html/blockquote >

If Israels goal was genocide there would be 900,000 Palestinians dead as Israel could accomplish that. We've been through the point many times that if the missiles are nestled in Civilian locations there is no way Israel can protect itself without harming civilians. Or they can be attacked without retaliation. Unfortunately there is no option three.

It has been said many times. If the Palestinians put down their weapons there would be peace; if the Israeli's did they would be slaughtered.

Again; Israel could obliterate Gaza in a matter of weeks if they desired to.


 
Posted : March 26, 2015 11:58 am
dougrhon
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html/blockquote >

If Israels goal was genocide there would be 900,000 Palestinians dead as Israel could accomplish that. We've been through the point many times that if the missiles are nestled in Civilian locations there is no way Israel can protect itself without harming civilians. Or they can be attacked without retaliation. Unfortunately there is no option three.

It has been said many times. If the Palestinians put down their weapons there would be peace; if the Israeli's did they would be slaughtered.

Again; Israel could obliterate Gaza in a matter of weeks if they desired to.

You might as well be speaking to the side of a building.


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 8:11 am
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I'm sure there would be no international outcry if Israel obliterated Palestine in a matter of weeks.

It is all so simple. Genocide.


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 10:12 am
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Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received/blockquote >

How does what you cite prove the statement is false. Name another country that provides aid and support for an enemy that seeks to destroy it.

The USA.


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 10:25 am
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You know Mullahs refers to the Iranian regime not all the Mullahs all over the world. And again with Obama's favorite technique of making crap up you accuse me of fomenting a "bloody revolution." You say I have a blunted view of the world? Try living inthe Middle East for a while where the MULLAHS are busy hacking and killing away while Obama makes nice nice with them. Your views are not even left wing. They are just through the Looking Glass nuts.

And you want apartheid.

One of the dictionary definitions of holocaust is "any mass slaughter or reckless destruction of life."

I believe the Israeli government is actively carrying out a (dictionary definition) holocaust against the Palestinian people. More than 9000 Palestinians have been killed since 9/29/2000.

Compare that to about 1200 Israelis. The difference being most of the dead Israelis were soldiers. The dead Palestinians are primarily civilians.

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stat/deaths.html/blockquote >

If Israels goal was genocide there would be 900,000 Palestinians dead as Israel could accomplish that. We've been through the point many times that if the missiles are nestled in Civilian locations there is no way Israel can protect itself without harming civilians. Or they can be attacked without retaliation. Unfortunately there is no option three.

It has been said many times. If the Palestinians put down their weapons there would be peace; if the Israeli's did they would be slaughtered.

Again; Israel could obliterate Gaza in a matter of weeks if they desired to.

You might as well be speaking to the side of a building.

If anyone really believes it is as simple as that, you might as well be the side of a building.


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 10:26 am
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I'm sure there would be no international outcry if Israel obliterated Palestine in a matter of weeks.

It is all so simple. Genocide.

Of course there would be an outcry; but if they are currently "commiting genocide" as you state what difference would it make to them?


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 10:40 am
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Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received/blockquote >

How does what you cite prove the statement is false. Name another country that provides aid and support for an enemy that seeks to destroy it.

The USA.

Perhaps this is why the two countries have long been allies?


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 10:41 am
gondicar
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Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received/blockquote >

How does what you cite prove the statement is false. Name another country that provides aid and support for an enemy that seeks to destroy it.

The USA.

Perhaps this is why the two countries have long been allies?

Not sure what you mean?


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 10:46 am
emr
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Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received/blockquote >

How does what you cite prove the statement is false. Name another country that provides aid and support for an enemy that seeks to destroy it.

The USA.

Perhaps this is why the two countries have long been allies?

Not sure what you mean?

A lot of people (not you) in these forums hjave questioned why US aid goes to Israel. I think they have a similar humanitarian bent


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 2:19 pm
jkeller
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Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received/blockquote >

How does what you cite prove the statement is false. Name another country that provides aid and support for an enemy that seeks to destroy it.

The USA.

Perhaps this is why the two countries have long been allies?

Not sure what you mean?

A lot of people (not you) in these forums hjave questioned why US aid goes to Israel. I think they have a similar humanitarian bent

I think the reasoning has more to do with the fact that the USA and Israel are the biggest targets for terrorism. And the large Jewish population in the US (aka voting block) has a lot to do with it.


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 3:00 pm
emr
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Israel, the only country on earth that provides aid to the enemy attacking it.

False.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_foreign_aid_received/blockquote >

How does what you cite prove the statement is false. Name another country that provides aid and support for an enemy that seeks to destroy it.

The USA.

Perhaps this is why the two countries have long been allies?

Not sure what you mean?

A lot of people (not you) in these forums hjave questioned why US aid goes to Israel. I think they have a similar humanitarian bent

I think the reasoning has more to do with the fact that the USA and Israel are the biggest targets for terrorism. And the large Jewish population in the US (aka voting block) has a lot to do with it.

Not so large

How many Jews are there in the United States?

By Michael Lipka2 comments

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FT-jews-01The question of how many Jewish Americans there are does not have a simple answer. That’s because the number of Jews in the U.S. depends on how one defines a Jew, as explained in the Pew Research Center’s major new survey of Jewish Americans.

There are about 4.2 million American adults who say they are Jewish by religion, representing 1.8% of the U.S. adult population. But there are roughly 5.3 million Jews (2.2% of the adult population) if the total also includes “Jews of no religion,” a group of people who say they are atheist, agnostic or “nothing in particular” when asked about their religion but who were raised Jewish or have a Jewish parent and who still consider themselves Jewish aside from religion. This is the net Jewish population as defined by the Pew Research report.


 
Posted : March 27, 2015 3:37 pm
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