.I wasn't actually referring to slinging rocks vrs shooting bullet's. It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.I didn't see any shooting's etc in protest to Hillary,Obama.And i ain't talkin bout a punch thrown at a rally.Even though the punk had it coming.I am talkin bout when at a baseball game fund raiser practice when Scaleise was shot.And why? Because they were republican's.And at this country concert there were thousand's of Trump supporter's.What about Antifa,liberal college's that riot when a conservative is gonna speak.And all the while preaching free speech.Gimmie a damn break Mr Gold Top.
Yeah man.Ban Ar-15's,10's etc,30 round and up magazine's etc.Let's see where that all wind's up.It is not about the gun's!!!!!It is about the heart.
Wow, this post was written by someone who clearly doesn't understand how to use the possessive apostrophe! Luke, tell us, what is your excuse for a grown-a$$ white American man, with every privilege and resource at his fingertips, to not know how to write or speak English?
Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.
😛When the heart can fling 1000's of rocks 500 yards and kill many then we can discuss rock control...your argument is senseless. I don't think he could sneak in a catapult into his hotel room.
No one needs an assault weapon. No one needs dozens of them...also no one wants to take your freeking hunting rifle away.
Military grade weapons have no place in a civil public society. They need to be military only!!
Gimmie a damn break lib boy!You missed the point
.I wasn't actually referring to slinging rocks vrs shooting bullet's.It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.I didn't see any shooting's etc in protest to Hillary,Obama.And i ain't talkin bout a punch thrown at a rally.Even though the punk had it coming.I am talkin bout when at a baseball game fund raiser practice when Scaleise was shot.And why? Because they were republican's.And at this country concert there were thousand's of Trump supporter's.What about Antifa,liberal college's that riot when a conservative is gonna speak.And all the while preaching free speech.Gimmie a damn break Mr Gold Top.
Yeah man.Ban Ar-15's,10's etc,30 round and up magazine's etc.Let's see where that all wind's up.It is not about the gun's!!!!!It is about the heart.
Oh Luke....Bless your heart!!!...seems to me you're the one who missed the point....see we all know people do the killing...that's obvious and an old argument....we need to limit access to military weapons so when their heart goes wrong they don't have weapons of mass destruction....
Cain killed Abel with a rock.
There is no mention in Genesis of Cain using a rock to kill Abel.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).
The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.
But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).
The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.
But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.
+1...It seems to those who own guns there is no middle ground. That man could not have done what he did with a shotgun or a pistol...Nobody wants to take away your hunting rifle but on one needs military grade weapons or drums, magazines and belts of ammo unless they are in the military... Those are for war
Our legislators have spoken loudly. Guns are more important than innocent lives or our children
20+ children were slaughtered and not 1 thing changed....Actions always speak louder than words or this case no action speaks
[Edited on 10/4/2017 by goldtop]
Here's every gun control debate in a nutshell:
But it won't stop someone hell bent on causing harm.
Yeah, and?
Therefore we shouldn't add more laws because it's a waste.
How do you know for sure it won't prevent one or more, or decrease the amount of lives lost?
I don't. But you don't know that it will help.
True. So we both don't know for sure, but shouldn't we err on the side of caution?
No because that would take away some of my rights and freedoms.
So what do you propose we do?
Pray for the victims. Hold the shooter accountable.
How will that prevent future mass shootings? And the shooters normally off themselves.
It won't, and I know.
Well shouldn't we ban the public from buying WMD's?
No.
Well shouldn't we prevent terrorists and the deranged from buying WMD's?
No.
Really?
Really.
Why would you allow terrorists and the mentally ill to buy WMD's?
Because to stop them would take away some of my rights, and they can use other methods to kill.
So you would rather them legally buy WMD's from a store rather than seek them out illegally on the black market, so that you don't have to prove yourself capable and responsible?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...
We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...
We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge
These stats are hardly new. Anyone who questions them at this point is either clueless or doesn't want to face reality.
Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.
😛
You know darn well the guns are just a tool. People need to look at the reasons, not the methodology.
persistent evil
Chalking it up to "evil" leaves us in the dark and helpless, cowering in fear of the unexplained. People used to think disease was "evil". Dark age mentality. Things happen for a reason. When people go off the rails it isn't due to "persistent evil". This shooter was a millionaire, supposedly normal though antisocial guy, problem gambler, probably alcoholic, worth looking at the toxicology for SSRI, which seems to be a common trigger for psychotic fugues, keeps showing up in these "senseless" events, done by people who nobody would dream would do such a thing.
I wanted to say maybe he just hated country music, and was tired and the noise bothered him, but he had an arsenal of weapons and ammo, so there was some other reason.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).
The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.
But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.
If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?
Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?
You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.
There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).
The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.
But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.
If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?
Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?
You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.
There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.
When was the last time you said, "Wow, people are dropping I.E.D.s out of cargo planes and blowing up fertilizer-laden trucks every time I turn on the news,"?
Guns make it easy and convenient. Period. Guns are the problem we have right now, not trucks or airplanes. Why is it so hard to say that they are causing a problem that needs a solution?
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).
The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.
But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.
If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?
Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?
You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.
There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.
Oh brother...(Shaking my head).....Yep he could have flown over with boxes of letter openers and rig the boxes to open and people would be impaled by letter openers as they feel on them.....Or he could have had a stash of boulder and dropped them from the sky....he could have hired zombies to march on the crowd with screwdriver stabbing people in the ear
To use a cargo plane you must register your flight with the FAA and fly in the fly zone or they will come after you with military planes...but I guess you're unaware of that
This place is like an LSD laced happy meal.Please shut the gate on your way out.
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...
We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge
Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.
United Nations database on crimes...do the research yourself and take your head out of the sand.
Obviously your right to own a gun is more important to you then public safety.
Again....no one wants your pistol to protect your home or your shotgun or deer rifle....We don't need military grade weapons except in the military...wanna play with one join the military other than that I'll play my thumb violins for your want to unload 500 rounds in a second for the thrill of it....
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...
We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge
Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.
You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.
United Nations database on crimes...do the research yourself and take your head out of the sand.
Obviously your right to own a gun is more important to you then public safety.
Again....no one wants your pistol to protect your home or your shotgun or deer rifle....We don't need military grade weapons except in the military...wanna play with one join the military other than that I'll play my thumb violins for your want to unload 500 rounds in a second for the thrill of it....
For the most part nobody needs an assault rifle, however, what happens when the anti-Christ and his minions launch their plan to rule the world and enslave every free person? At that point revolution will come to our shores, as well as every other country on the earth. What then? People should just bow down to the demonic elite and be enslaved?
What happens when they want everyone to take the mark of the beast, and if you refuse they drag you out with their SWAT team because you are a troublemaker?
Do a free people have a right to defend themselves against such dictatorial tyranny or should they politely give up their weapons now so they can be enslaved later on?
Those who want to do these mass shootings for their own unknown reasons are just outliers aside from the regular person who wants to live free and not be enslaved by a dictatorial regime led by evil, demonic people.
[Edited on 10/5/2017 by gina]
Those who want to do these mass shootings for their own unknown reasons are just outliers aside from the regular person who wants to live free and not be enslaved by a dictatorial regime led by evil, demonic people.
Case in point. Perfect example of someone who should forfeit all firearms upon psychiatric medication prescription.
Nobody is going to take ALL your guns away. Nobody has ever suggested that. We already had what YOU CALL the worst and most liberal president ever (also the only black one), and you still have your guns.
Obama had Democratic control of congress and used that time to, as you say, "shove healthcare down our throats".
Why did he not use those two years to confiscate all your guns and then feed your women and children to the United Nations?
People against reasonable regulation of tools of mass murder are pathetic humans. Try buying a Trans-Am or Camaro if you need to feel tough. It works for a lot of losers.
On a separate note, if the antichrist shows up, don't bet on a machine gun to save you, I am not sure it works like that.
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...
We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge
Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.
Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...
We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge
Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.
Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.
Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.
Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...
We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge
Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.
Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.
Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.
If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)
So you see, we actually have one of the LOWEST homicide per 100,00 rates, not the highest.
There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries
Where do those statistics come from? Links please.
United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...
We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge
Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.
Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.
Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.
If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)So you see, we actually have one of the LOWEST homicide per 100,00 rates, not the highest.
We have, by a big margin, the highest death by guns of any country in the world. So, your frequent attempt at semantics aside, why aren’t we safer with th3 most guns of any country in the world? You know, since guns make us safer.
"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"
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Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?
Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.
"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?
Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.
Cherry. Picked. Facts. It is all the gun crowd has.
"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?
Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.
You are safer in any of those other places because the culture is different. The Latino culture and Spanish also is different than the one most of us see here in America. The people are more normal, they just want to live, have a wife and family and be happy. For the most part competition, vengeance are not part of their lives. Even our curse words, they have no translation in Spanish and no meaning in their culture. There are many other things also but suffice it to say, Spanish culture does not breed psychos and sociopaths. They're good peoples so you have less crime in those places. The drug cartels is another matter, but the average person is not involved with that.
Other things that came out in articles today included that the shooter in this case bought illuminated bullets (tracer rounds) that make it easier to hit targets in the dark. He bought 1,000 rounds of those bullets. He also bought tickets to a concert in Chicago that was to be held in the park and wanted his hotel room to have a view of Grant Park. The guy wanted to go and do mass shootings at concerts in different places.
This is not a random act, he planned, he spent months buying ammo and weapons. This is very disturbing.
[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]
