"President Trump is visiting Las Vegas on Wednesday, he spoke this morning, said he’s praying for those who lost their lives. You know in February, he also signed a bill that made it easier for people with severe mental illness to buy guns legally," Kimmel said in his monologue. "Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, a number of other lawmakers who won’t do anything about this because the NRA has their balls in a money clip, also sent their thoughts and their prayers today, which is good. They should be praying. They should be praying for God to forgive them for letting the gun lobby run this country, because it's so crazy."
[Edited on 10/3/2017 by robslob]
"President Trump is visiting Las Vegas on Wednesday, he spoke this morning, said he’s praying for those who lost their lives. You know in February, he also signed a bill that made it easier for people with severe mental illness to buy guns legally," Kimmel said in his monologue. "Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, a number of other lawmakers who won’t do anything about this because the NRA has their balls in a money clip, also sent their thoughts and their prayers today, which is good. They should be praying. They should be praying for God to forgive them for letting the gun lobby run this country, because it's so crazy."
[Edited on 10/3/2017 by robslob]
I said to my wife this morning about the Vegas shootings ,that the liberal's and liberal biased media will find some way to blame this on Trump and the republican party. Suprising, huh?
I said to my wife this morning about the Vegas shootings ,that the liberal's and liberal biased media will find some way to blame this on Trump and the republican party. Suprising, huh?
If you are saying that many Democrats are responsible as well, I would agree with you. That doesn't change the fact that Trump "signed a bill that made it easier for people with severe mental illness to buy guns legally." He needs to be called out for that. Thank You, Jimmy.
No one has done anything. But when you're in charge, like a head coach, you get the blame. And no one is expecting the Republicans-led House to do anything. Conservative media host and all around creep Bill O'Reilly has already claimed that getting mowed down at a concert is "the cost of freedom". Padded room escapee Alex Jones was quick to say, like Sandy Hook, the whole thing was scripted. So the knuckleheads who sleep with automatic weapons of mass slaughter under their pillow and care more about an embryo than a grown human standing in a crowd will make sure nothing happens in response to this tragedy.
But you go right on ahead and make Trump the victim here. I think we're all used to that.
I said to my wife this morning about the Vegas shootings ,that the liberal's and liberal biased media will find some way to blame this on Trump and the republican party. Suprising, huh?
If you are saying that many Democrats are responsible as well, I would agree with you. That doesn't change the fact that Trump "signed a bill that made it easier for people with severe mental illness to buy guns legally." He needs to be called out for that. Thank You, Jimmy.
Did not say that, I just knew it was coming. It was expected. I am surprised he has not been blamed for the Hurricanes as of late. 😉
No one has done anything. But when you're in charge, like a head coach, you get the blame. And no one is expecting the Republicans-led House to do anything. Conservative media host and all around creep Bill O'Reilly has already claimed that getting mowed down at a concert is "the cost of freedom". Padded room escapee Alex Jones was quick to say, like Sandy Hook, the whole thing was scripted. So the knuckleheads who sleep with automatic weapons of mass slaughter under their pillow and care more about an embryo than a grown human standing in a crowd will make sure nothing happens in response to this tragedy.
But you go right on ahead and make Trump the victim here. I think we're all used to that.
Did not make him a victim, don't assume things, we know what that leads to. I could careless either way if people beat him up in the media .Just knew it was coming, kind of par for the course.
You knew it was coming? Well thank you Nostradamus. Did you figure that one out all by yourself? That's like a liberal saying, "I predicted conservatives would oppose Obamacare."
Did not make him a victim, don't assume things, we know what that leads to. I could careless either way if people beat him up in the media .Just knew it was coming, kind of par for the course.
So you pivoting a tragedy to Trump receiving blame isn't making him a victim (of false blame)? Because that's exactly what you said, I didn't have to assume anything.
Some things change and some things never do, have not been here for 2 years and everything is the same the same people who just don't understand the second amendment and what it is about would punish 299 million people for what one idiot sick SOB did! is it tragic of course ,am I pissed off at this idiot yes! but am I going to want stricter gun control because of it ?hell no there is NOTHING you or anyone else can do to stop someone hell bent on doing something like this but remember this is not a normal person the rest of the country is ,meanwhile 50,000 die from alcohol and tobacco and you sit there saying nothing while smoking and drinking......
would punish 299 million people
You would feel punished? Awww, it'll be ok.
Some things change and some things never do, have not been here for 2 years and everything is the same the same people who just don't understand the second amendment and what it is about would punish 299 million people for what one idiot sick SOB did! is it tragic of course ,am I pissed off at this idiot yes! but am I going to want stricter gun control because of it ?hell no there is NOTHING you or anyone else can do to stop someone hell bent on doing something like this but remember this is not a normal person the rest of the country is ,meanwhile 50,000 die from alcohol and tobacco and you sit there saying nothing while smoking and drinking......
You are cordially invited to go fuck yourself.
Some things change and some things never do, have not been here for 2 years and everything is the same the same people who just don't understand the second amendment and what it is about would punish 299 million people for what one idiot sick SOB did! is it tragic of course ,am I pissed off at this idiot yes! but am I going to want stricter gun control because of it ?hell no there is NOTHING you or anyone else can do to stop someone hell bent on doing something like this but remember this is not a normal person the rest of the country is ,meanwhile 50,000 die from alcohol and tobacco and you sit there saying nothing while smoking and drinking......
Nothing worse than when you're walking down the street and some nut job sprays the crowd with rounds of smokes and beers. Good point!
But you're right, there is no way to amend the Constitution or interpret it in response to a repeated cycle of slaughter. Especially when other countries manage to retain gun ownership with restrictions yet without repeated deaths of innocent citizens. Let's just file this incident away until the next one so people can legally own military weapons. Shit happens, you know?
hell no there is NOTHING you or anyone else can do to stop someone hell bent on doing something like this
LOL, what a fool. You meant to say "there's nothing you or anyone can do, that isn't offensive to me, to stop something like this".
I would love for Rydethewind to stick around and answer some questions but something tells me he doesn't have enough wits to back up his thoughts. My question for the anti-gun control crowd - if he is a "sick idiot maniac" and "not a normal person", as Rydethewind states, then why let these types buy a gun? Shouldn't a "sick idiot maniac" be forced to take on greater risks to carry out his evil, like research and buy bomb-making materials so the FBI might get to him first, or buy guns on the black market and risk getting robbed? Why should a "sick idiot maniac" simply fill out a form and be handed a gun? I just picture our small towns or row home communities where everyone knows one another, and the local gun shop worker seeing his deranged bipolar neighbor coming in to buy a gun - "Dag gummit, this sick idiot maniac is not worthy of operating a firearm, but here you go!"
I am right here ask away but don't ask if you don't want the truth...
Boyton.. do you or anyone you know walk around with a sign hanging around your neck saying you are a sicko idiot? many people live law abiding lives then one day a crisis or illness makes them snap or loose their sanity how can any law stop that from happening? if they don't have guns they use trucks, or fertilizer bombs or whatever... that was my point and yet still no one says anything about 1200 lives each day lost to tobacco now that is insanity!
Boyton.. do you or anyone you know walk around with a sign hanging around your neck saying you are a sicko idiot? many people live law abiding lives then one day a crisis or illness makes them snap or loose their sanity how can any law stop that from happening? if they don't have guns they use trucks, or fertilizer bombs or whatever... that was my point and yet still no one says anything about 1200 lives each day lost to tobacco now that is insanity!
Boy talk about a disconnected....those who die from tobacco choose to smoke it and there is more information available to tell them not to....
I do believe less people in the US smoke now then when I was a kid....most likely from being educated about its hazards...but the hazards of another who takes lives doesn't bother you....1.3 killed in wars 1.5 killed by gun violence it not one incident
PS no one wants your hunting rifle....but not one person needs a military grade weapon other than a soldier in our military
if they don't have guns they use trucks, or fertilizer bombs or whatever... that was my point and yet still no one says anything about 1200 lives each day lost to tobacco now that is insanity!
Filling your own lungs with smoke is a choice, unlike getting shot to death by someone else at a concert. Kind of insane you're comparing the two.
It's true that every time you leave your house there is a chance that someone else can take your life, intentionally or accidentally. We have many regulations on dangerous items and substances to keep us and our neighbors safe. That's why automatic guns are rare and rarely used in crimes - they are strictly regulated. Heavily regulating and controlling semi-automatic weapons would likely have the same effect.
Boyton.. do you or anyone you know walk around with a sign hanging around your neck saying you are a sicko idiot? many people live law abiding lives then one day a crisis or illness makes them snap or loose their sanity how can any law stop that from happening?
Out police forces conduct psychological exams as the last part of the recruitment process to determine if they are fit to be a cop and handle a weapon. Why do they do that? We can't prevent mass shootings but we CAN decrease the frequency of them and the number of fatalities in each.
if they don't have guns they use trucks, or fertilizer bombs or whatever...
A truck couldn't get to that crowd, nor would it have killed 58 and injure 200 even if it could. Can you please address this aspect? It's about making it as difficult as possible for them to execute their evil - it shouldn't be so easy and risk-free. And you might want to use a different analogy to make your point, instead of an illegal WMD like fertilizer bombs. That doesn't help your cause.
that was my point and yet still no one says anything about 1200 lives each day lost to tobacco now that is insanity!
You never heard any anti-smoking campaigns? Really?
Look, the bottom line is that I have a deep respect for a firearm. I love guns and I'm grateful that I live in a country where I can own one to protect my family. I respect them so much, that I think only the best Americans deserve the privilege of owning one (and yes, I think it should be a privilege, not a right). Only our nation's best law-abiding, responsible, sane, good people deserve one. The local idiot who doesn't know how to shoot, can't reload, doesn't understand the safety clip, leaves it unlocked, etc......DOESN'T DESERVE ONE. Anyone who wants to own should first prove their responsibility, safety, criminal history, and mental stability. If you can't prove those 4 things, then why are we giving one to them? Because some are afraid they won't be able to prove it, so we give them to everyone so nobody feels bad and has to step up. And these same people are against participation trophies for kids sports.
Jimmy could do his show from Chicago to raise the issue about out of control gun recklessness day after day until some results are shown. This is as big if not bigger issue than a lone wolf shooter. It would also highlight the issue that most criminals dont care about gun laws.
[Edited on 10/3/2017 by OriginalGoober]
would punish 299 million people
You would feel punished? Awww, it'll be ok.
Condescension is such an effective tool when communicating with someone whose opinion you disagree with.
A) True
B) False
Jimmy could do his show from Chicago to raise the issue about out of control gun recklessness day after day until some results are shown. This is as big if not bigger issue than a lone wolf shooter. It would also highlight the issue that most criminals dont care about gun laws.
[Edited on 10/3/2017 by OriginalGoober]
Funny how gun lovers like to talk about Chicago, pointing out strict gun laws and lots of gun violence. The problem is that Chicago used to have strict gun laws, but they don't anymore. Chicago used to ban handguns, which is why they got the reputation for strict gun laws. But the Supreme Court overturned that law several years ago. In addition, Illinois was the last state to allow concealed carry just a couple years ago. I'll give you one guess as to when the spike in gun violence started.
[Condescension is such an effective tool when communicating with someone whose opinion you disagree with.
A) True
B) False
You would know. not interested in your pointless quiz.
It would also highlight the issue that most criminals dont care about gun laws.
Listen to dumb and dumber trying to make a point, how adorable! He thinks this is about gangs! LOL!!!!!!
The people that say, "you will never be able to prevent someone who snapped from hurting people," are exactly right. HOWEVER, why then do we leave the most common and simple way of doing that on a large scale so easily accessible?
Almost anybody can figure out how to point a gun and squeeze the trigger (it's just like a video game). Not that many (in a fit of mental insanity, especially) can go through all the steps of building a successful bomb on a truck.
But, if someone flips out and they already own multiple machine guns, it is pretty easy to go out and hurt a lot of people.
We have had bombings, but we do not have an epidemic of bombings. We have had car attacks, but we do not have an epidemic of car attacks. It is hard to hurt 600 people in an acid attack. It is hard to hurt 600 people in a knife attack. It would be hard to hurt 600 people by throwing hammers out of a 32nd story window before the cops can kill you. There a very few ways to do this much damage while you are committing suicide without machine guns.
Reasonable gun policy is not the "beginning of confiscating all guns" anymore than security checks at airports is the end of airplanes. It is simply doing something to address a deadly problem, INSTEAD OF DOING NOTHING.
There is a constitutional right to "bear arms" and we can continue to debate what was meant by that, but suggesting that James Madison was talking about machine guns is pretty flimsy.
Giving up something that you enjoy for the betterment of society is called civilization...
Perfectly stated adhill. Unfortunately there are too many who are very sensitive and afraid when it comes to wanting and needing firearms. You would think that we would all want only our best men and women to have them, and not the town fools. But too many believe the local idiots with half a brain should have military assault weapons - that's what America is - we are not better than that.
The people that say, "you will never be able to prevent someone who snapped from hurting people," are exactly right. HOWEVER, why then do we leave the most common and simple way of doing that on a large scale so easily accessible?
Almost anybody can figure out how to point a gun and squeeze the trigger (it's just like a video game). Not that many (in a fit of mental insanity, especially) can go through all the steps of building a successful bomb on a truck.
But, if someone flips out and they already own multiple machine guns, it is pretty easy to go out and hurt a lot of people.
We have had bombings, but we do not have an epidemic of bombings. We have had car attacks, but we do not have an epidemic of car attacks. It is hard to hurt 600 people in an acid attack. It is hard to hurt 600 people in a knife attack. It would be hard to hurt 600 people by throwing hammers out of a 32nd story window before the cops can kill you. There a very few ways to do this much damage while you are committing suicide without machine guns.
Reasonable gun policy is not the "beginning of confiscating all guns" anymore than security checks at airports is the end of airplanes. It is simply doing something to address a deadly problem, INSTEAD OF DOING NOTHING.
There is a constitutional right to "bear arms" and we can continue to debate what was meant by that, but suggesting that James Madison was talking about machine guns is pretty flimsy.
Giving up something that you enjoy for the betterment of society is called civilization...
That's a completely rational assessment of the issue. THANK YOU.
You mean I have to give up my bazookas?
Jimmy could do his show from Chicago to raise the issue about out of control gun recklessness day after day until some results are shown. This is as big if not bigger issue than a lone wolf shooter. It would also highlight the issue that most criminals dont care about gun laws.
[Edited on 10/3/2017 by OriginalGoober]
Funny how gun lovers like to talk about Chicago, pointing out strict gun laws and lots of gun violence. The problem is that Chicago used to have strict gun laws, but they don't anymore. Chicago used to ban handguns, which is why they got the reputation for strict gun laws. But the Supreme Court overturned that law several years ago. In addition, Illinois was the last state to allow concealed carry just a couple years ago. I'll give you one guess as to when the spike in gun violence started.
On top of that, articles in the Chicago papers today talk about the fact that most of the guns found in Chicago are from red states that have lax gun laws - mostly Indiana and Wisconsin, but also Mississippi. Sixty percent come from those states, and 40% come from the Chicago burbs. In Illinois you must have a FOID card, and must pass training to get a concealed carry license. (Not that the gangs abide by this). I will try to find the articles to post later.
Those who bring up Chicago when discussing mass shootings and gun control are flat out stupid. How one can relate gang violence to mentally ill terrorists legally buying WMD's is beyond me.
