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tbomike
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No surprise here but still a disgustingly sad story. I hesitate to even post it as who doesn't know who will post some moronic ideas here.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/15/world/middleeast/isis-held-us-aid-worker-as-sex-slave-before-death.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


 
Posted : August 15, 2015 8:37 am
gina
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Actually there are 3,000-4,000 Yazidi girls who are being held against their will and reportedly being sold as slaves.

In this case you are citing, the woman was held against her will, this was corroborated by a 14 year old Yazidi girl who, in another report claims to have escaped and made her way to Iraqi Kurdistan where she talked to US commandos in November 2014. "Mueller was held for a time by Islamic State financier Abu Sayyaf and his wife, known as Umm Sayyaf. Al-Baghdadi took Mueller as a "wife," repeatedly raping her when he visited, according to a Yazidi teenager who was held with Mueller and escaped in October 2014. The 14-year-old made her way to Iraqi Kurdistan, where she talked to U.S. commandos in November 2014."

SO there is at least ONE discrepancy here, the NY Times saying that US forces rescued her [the Yazidi girl when they raided a compound] , and others saying that she escaped and made her own way to Kurdistan where she went to the US commandos.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/islamic-state-leader-raped-american-hostage-us-finds/ar-BBlKvOT

I don't believe that Kayla voluntarily married Al Baghdadi, but in Islam a marriage is different than a slave relationship, although even in the marriages (from what I understand about those conducted among the resistance fighters), a woman is NOT allowed to refuse to provide sex to her husband, so you can think of it as rape if she does not want to and is forced.

Kayla did write a letter to her parents, denying that she was being treated badly, so one could ask:

Was the Yazidi girl lieing because Kayla was treated better than they were and she wanted to be freed her captivity?

Were the other girls jealous that Baghdady took Kayla and not them as a wife?

Did Kayla think she might never be freed and wanted to ease the pain on her parents by sending the note saying that she was fine and not being mistreated? No child would want to write a note saying that they were being raped and would probably be killed but don't feel guilty y'all.

Lots of questions. Here's the link to the letter she sent her parents.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/10/kayla-mueller-letter-i-have-learned-that-even-in-prison-one-can-be-free

Nobody forced her to write the letter, she herself provided it to the Yazidi girl who escaped, so it was being smuggled out.

[Edited on 8/15/2015 by gina]


 
Posted : August 15, 2015 8:59 am
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If the marriage was forced - and the sex within the marriage was forced, I'd call that rape.
Forced ownership of women ... no refusal of sex by the wife ... what an enlightened culture!


 
Posted : August 15, 2015 12:23 pm
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Welcome to Sharia Law folks.


 
Posted : August 15, 2015 12:40 pm
gina
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Forced marriage is not marriage at all, it is just force. In Islam (true Islam) the woman has the right to refuse a marriage proposal. The proposal is made to the woman after asking permission from her Father if he says yes, but she says no, the marriage does not take place.

RE: Sex in Islam

The Quran (The Chapter on The Women - An-Nisa)

4:34 Men are the support of women as God gives some more means than others, and because they spend of their wealth (to provide for them). SO women who are virtuous are obedient to God and guard the hidden as God has guarded it. As for women you feel are averse talk to them suasively, then leave them alone in bed (without molesting them). If they open out to you, do not seek an excuse for blaming them. Surely God is sublime and great.

REMARKS: Rape is not sanctioned in the Quran, nor is it part of true Islam.

There is also direction 4:15 from the Quran regarding women guilty of unnatural offenses - which to me means adultery-

"bring 4 witnesses to give evidence, if they testify against them, retain them in the houses until death overtakes them or God provides some other way for them".

The Arabic words masaka means to retain. Bait means house. Imsak means keeping within the bonds of marriage and is used for keeping as wives. The four witnesses per the Shariah must witness penetration for their testimony to be acceptable. Since this is highly unlikely, women were not mean to be executed on allegations.


 
Posted : August 15, 2015 12:53 pm
gina
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Welcome to Sharia Law folks.

Shariah law comes from the Quran AND hadiths. The hadiths are where the deviation from he Quran occur. The are differences between the various sects of Islam (Sunni and Shia), and various jurisprudence schools such as Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Jafari. Which is why I say the Quran is the best source for decisions.

Isis can say it is Shariah law that they are allowed to rape women, The Quran does not say this.

[Edited on 8/15/2015 by gina]


 
Posted : August 15, 2015 12:57 pm
Muleman1994
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Welcome to Sharia Law folks.

Shariah law comes from the Quran AND hadiths. The hadiths are where the deviation from he Quran occur. The are differences between the various sects of Islam (Sunni and Shia), and various jurisprudence schools such as Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi'i, Hanbali and Jafari. Which is why I say the Quran is the best source for decisions.

Isis can say it is Shariah law that they are allowed to rape women, The Quran does not say this.

[Edited on 8/15/2015 by gina]

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Thus the Islamic Extremist Terrorists perversion of Islam.

[Edited on 8/15/2015 by Muleman1994]


 
Posted : August 15, 2015 3:03 pm
CanadianMule
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Just another reason to nuke the whole damn place.


 
Posted : August 16, 2015 9:25 am
bob1954
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Just another reason to nuke the whole damn place.

"Good answer. I like the way you think. I'm gonna keep my eye on you."


 
Posted : August 17, 2015 4:18 am
Muleman1994
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It seems we will not have to blow up the Middle East.
They appear to be killing each other at a pretty swift rate.
When Iran gets the bomb the problems will solve themselves.
Well, until the wind blows…


 
Posted : August 17, 2015 6:39 am
gina
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http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/who-killed-kayla-mueller

The Royal Jordanian Air Force struck a compound that Isis says Mueller was being detained in on February 6th "“with support of U.S. military aircrews.”

"The White House refuses to comment on what was known about Baghdadi’s frequent visits to the Sayyaf house and his treatment of Mueller, but the raid came too late for her. ISIS claims that she died in a weapons warehouse that it controls, on February 6th. It’s not clear why she would have been there or what she was doing outside of the Sayyaf house. The warehouse was near Raqqa, the nominal capital of the Islamic State, more than a hundred miles from Sayyaf’s home but much closer to Baghdadi’s likely headquarters.

When I wrote about American hostages and their families’ struggles to rescue them, Lisa Monaco, President Barack Obama’s homeland-security adviser, told me that Mueller’s death was the result of “a bombing that we don’t know the provenance of.” Today, a U.S. official told me that the warehouse was struck by the Royal Jordanian Air Force, “with support of U.S. military aircrews.”

The Jordanians were responding to the execution of one of their pilots, who had been burned alive by ISIS. The site had been bombed previously by coalition forces, and was heavily damaged. Why it would be targeted again is a mystery, as is Mueller’s presence there. The fact that the site was already partially destroyed might have made it seem safe from future attacks.

The White House claims that it was not targeting Baghdadi, and he was apparently not in the ruined facility when the Jordanians bombed it again. The White House is still not saying whether Mueller died as a result of the bombing, adding, “The U.S. military has indicated there was no evidence of civilians in the target area prior to any Coalition airstrikes at that time. What we are certain of is that ISIL is responsible for Kayla’s captivity and death.”

REMARKS: I will hold my remarks, I think you can figure it out for yourselves.


 
Posted : August 18, 2015 7:35 am
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