I listened to this entire speech at the Townhall. It was almost as if Obama was speaking directly about this exact shooter and shooting. The NRA and extreme right bears some responsibility for allowing ISIL sympathizers to buy guns.
Terrorists are part of the well regulated militia too. How dare you suggest that the government place restrictions on them.
I listened to this entire speech at the Townhall. It was almost as if Obama was speaking directly about this exact shooter and shooting. The NRA and extreme right bears some responsibility for allowing ISIL sympathizers to buy guns.
Terrorists are part of the well regulated militia too. How dare you suggest that the government place restrictions on them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-orlando-shooting-nra_us_575e4801e4b0ced23ca879bb
Obama Warned Two Weeks Ago That Something Like The Orlando Shooting Could Happen
“I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun,” the president said.
Less than two weeks ago, President Barack Obama highlighted the potential for a tragedy like the Orlando shooting to happen, saying the FBI often knows about sympathizers of the self-described Islamic State — but can’t limit access to firearms due to contentious gun laws in America.
Speaking at a town hall meeting hosted by PBS News Hour on June 3, Obama was asked by an audience member why both his administration and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton “want to control and restrict and limit gun manufacturers [and] gun owners.”
The president responded to the common line of questioning with a pointed attack against the National Rifle Association. The group’s vehement opposition to restrictions on even the heaviest weaponry available has allowed people on the no-fly list to buy guns.
“I just came from a meeting today in the situation room, in which I’ve got people who we know have been on ISIL websites, living here in the United States, U.S. citizens,” Obama said at the town hall, using another name for the Islamic State group. “And we’re allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association, I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun.”
“This is somebody who is a known ISIL sympathizer, and if he wants to walk into a gun store or a gun show right now and buy as many weapons and ammunition as he can, nothing’s prohibiting him from doing that even though the FBI knows who he is,” the president said.
The scenario Obama described as a possibility has now come true. Omar Mateen, 29, bought a semi-automatic rifle and a handgun less than a week before he killed around 50 people at a gay nightclub in Florida. Mateen had been investigated by the FBI twice — once in 2013 and again in 2014 — but was still legally allowed to obtain the weapons.
Mateen had called 911 on Sunday to say he was affiliated with the Islamic State, although U.S. officials have said there isn’t any evidence he actually has a direct link to the terrorist group.
The New York Daily News also lambasted the NRA in its Monday cover story of the shooting. The outlet posted a headline reading “THANKS NRA” alongside images of the paper’s other pointed front pages from past mass shootings.
Despite the president’s call for “common sense” gun control, there have been 133 mass U.S. shootings in the 164 days of 2016. The event in Orlando was the deadliest such attack in U.S. history.
If guns were illegal he could have used other weapons, like an improvised explosive device or a car laden with explosives driven right thru the wall of the club (if it did not have barriers in front of it). Guns are merely tools that people use to a) defend themselves, b) hunt or c) assassinate people. But as I just pointed out other things can also be used to assassinate people, the attack in Boston is an example, pressure cookers were used.
We already have laws restricting gun sales and possession. They are adequate. If America becomes disarmed, the citizens of America risk being taken over by hostile militias of any number of potential invading country's armies via land, sea, and air, as well as a tyrannical regime from within. If you think that the military can defend 320 million people and all our borders that is fine, but one of the things our founding fathers insisted on was that every citizen here have the right to bear arms to defend themselves against marauders, domestic and non domestic. Many citizens, including the NRA supporters and members still hold that belief.
The weapon is NOT the problem. The belief that any individual should force their beliefs on someone else IS the problem.
The Quran says there should not be any compulsion in religion. No compulsion. It also says that three different religious groups around at that time would not have to fear or worry when they came before God on Judgement Day, the groups mentioned were the Jews, the Christians, the Sabians. There were rules set out for how Muslims could live in co-existence with non Muslims, therefore it was NEVER the edict for Muslims to kill all non Muslims as Isis interprets it. The Prophet of Islam, peace be upon him and all the prophets and messengers did not set out an army to slay all the Christians in Yemen (called Najran) when a delegation visited Arabia. He sent one of his most devoted Muslims to go back to Yemen, Abu `Ubaidah lbn Al- Jarraah, and that one person converted the entire nation of Yemen. He taught, he guided, he advised, he did not chop anyone's heads off. That was the example.
Again, the weapon is NOT the problem. The belief that any individual should force their beliefs on someone else IS the problem. But Camp Hillary is once again calling for a ban on guns, specifically assault weapons.
Clinton has called for a complete ban on assault-style guns.
“It’s important that we stop the terrorists from getting the tools they need to carry out the attacks, and that is especially true when it comes to assault weapons like those used in Orlando and San Bernardino,” California, Clinton said, drawing a standing ovation" She specifically called out three US allies - Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait - for allowing its citizens to fund mosques and schools that train jihadists.
http://gulfnews.com/news/americas/usa/trump-clinton-clash-over-orlando-massacre-1.1845553
Remarks: Which mosques and madrassas provide acceptable doctrine? Is Hillary going to decide this or have a panel of people from the US to monitor masjids in Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Kuwait? What would she do as a foreign policy about this?
Trumps remarks were not much better.
Earlier, Trump questioned Obama’s motives for not using the term “radical Islam” in an interview on Fox News.
“He doesn’t get it or he gets it better than anybody understands,” Trump said. “It’s one or the other, and neither one is acceptable.” Trump has for years suggested that Obama is secretly a Muslim. In 2011, when the wealthy businessman drew national attention for demanding that Obama produce another copy of his birth certificate, he told Fox News, “maybe it says he is a Muslim.” Obama is a practicing Christian.
“We’re led by a man that either is not tough, not smart or he’s got something else in mind,” Trump said on Fox without being specific. “And the something else in mind. People can’t believe it. ... There’s something going on. It’s inconceivable.” A Trump campaign spokeswoman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Trump on Sunday had called for Obama to resign for not using the words “radical Islam” in his comments about the shooting. He also renewed his call for a temporary ban on Muslims entering the United States. "
REMARKS: Donald is upset and decisive. I think he is wrong to call on Obama to resign. Obama has not embraced Isis doctrines. He cannot control the teachings in madrassas all over the world. He cannot condemn an entire religion of people because there are some that feel it is their duty to kill other people. Donald needs to meet with scholars from Al Azhar in Cairo, and also Saudi and start to learn about Islam. The issue of Muslims wanting to create caliphates in a secular world is an issue for the current and next decade. World leaders need to have an understanding of the religion so that they will know where different groups are incorrect, leaving jihad out of the curriculum is also incorrect. There is a pivotal lack of understanding. We cannot have unknowledgable world leaders or we will be at odds with the half of the world that has Muslim populations, and the response to us will be much worse than 'yankee go home'.
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“I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun,” the president said.
Less than two weeks ago, President Barack Obama highlighted the potential for a tragedy like the Orlando shooting to happen, saying the FBI often knows about sympathizers of the self-described Islamic State — but can’t limit access to firearms due to contentious gun laws in America.
"Those people".....So, they have been identified and the Gov't continues with this contentious immigration policy of theirs....
"the FBI often knows about sympathizers of the self-described Islamic State"...I read that he was on a list that would have kept him from buying guns legally, but his name was removed....Now whose fault is that?
I tend to think that both sides are talking past each other instead of to each other to find better solutions.
The only one who will dramatically change the immigration policy is Trump. People will not like it, because he is adamant that would be terrorists be stopped from coming here in the first place, and to do that, he has to limit or exclude people from certain countries.
He had this to say about Hillary's foreign policy, that would be implemented if she wins.
"Her plan is to disarm law-abiding Americans, abolishing the 2nd amendment, and leaving only the bad guys and terrorists with guns. She wants to take away Americans’ guns, then admit the very people who want to slaughter us."
He said this and revoked the Press Credentials of Washington Post reporters, so they cannot cover his events from inside the events.
One of the things that needs to be implemented is VISA WAIVER REFORM. This was identified even in 2015. While the shooter in the Florida attack was a citizen, Visa Waiver Reform is still needed to stop future problems.
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I tend to think that both sides are talking past each other instead of to each other to find better solutions.
The Islamic State has only one solution, their way or die. Not much room for negotiation with that stance. So if you want to prevent their members from coming here, strict borders have to be in place.
Bullsh*t. He was just a nut with guns. And most likely lots of guilt over his homosexual urges.
BINGO, things starting to come out that he was a Grinder user and had been to that club many times over the last few years.
maybe this helps it become clearer. muslim boys who can't cope with life and how islam treats gays. jihad offers a free wife they can treat however they want.....and secret gay sex with the other fighters. just a thought
it would explain the self-hatred and suicide bombing
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i have read somewhere before about how young boys in Afghanistan are molested, it is an unreported problem.
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steroid rumors
would go to the mosque and pray but never interact with people
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I tend to think that both sides are talking past each other instead of to each other to find better solutions.
Don't you go and try to actually make sense in all this debate. 😛
my bad 
oh, and i saw an interview where he let black people leave and not kill them, even asked people if they were black.
this dude had some serious mental issues
You nailed it. Modern Islamic sexual repression at odds with the liberated West has given rise to several generations of rabid oversexed freaks. Attacking women in riots in Europe, and I don't even want to begin to speculate on the level of closet sexual abuse and incest and domestic sexual violence, hetero and homo both, that goes on in that culture, with men and women so separated. Gotta be toxic. Why do you think they are so fired up all the time? Bunch of testosterone-addled maniacs.
There was an unsubstantiated report from someone who went to school with him back in 2001. The classmate said that Mateen stood and cheered when the second plane hit the towers. Reporters are trying to get follow-ups from other classmates.
Like I said, unsubstantiated, but if true, would give a little insight to his thinking.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-orlando-shooting-nra_us_575e4801e4b0ced23ca879bb
Obama Warned Two Weeks Ago That Something Like The Orlando Shooting Could Happen
“I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun,” the president said.
Less than two weeks ago, President Barack Obama highlighted the potential for a tragedy like the Orlando shooting to happen, saying the FBI often knows about sympathizers of the self-described Islamic State — but can’t limit access to firearms due to contentious gun laws in America.
Speaking at a town hall meeting hosted by PBS News Hour on June 3, Obama was asked by an audience member why both his administration and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton “want to control and restrict and limit gun manufacturers [and] gun owners.”
The president responded to the common line of questioning with a pointed attack against the National Rifle Association. The group’s vehement opposition to restrictions on even the heaviest weaponry available has allowed people on the no-fly list to buy guns.
“I just came from a meeting today in the situation room, in which I’ve got people who we know have been on ISIL websites, living here in the United States, U.S. citizens,” Obama said at the town hall, using another name for the Islamic State group. “And we’re allowed to put them on the no-fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association, I cannot prohibit those people from buying a gun.”
“This is somebody who is a known ISIL sympathizer, and if he wants to walk into a gun store or a gun show right now and buy as many weapons and ammunition as he can, nothing’s prohibiting him from doing that even though the FBI knows who he is,” the president said.
The scenario Obama described as a possibility has now come true. Omar Mateen, 29, bought a semi-automatic rifle and a handgun less than a week before he killed around 50 people at a gay nightclub in Florida. Mateen had been investigated by the FBI twice — once in 2013 and again in 2014 — but was still legally allowed to obtain the weapons.
Mateen had called 911 on Sunday to say he was affiliated with the Islamic State, although U.S. officials have said there isn’t any evidence he actually has a direct link to the terrorist group.
The New York Daily News also lambasted the NRA in its Monday cover story of the shooting. The outlet posted a headline reading “THANKS NRA” alongside images of the paper’s other pointed front pages from past mass shootings.
Despite the president’s call for “common sense” gun control, there have been 133 mass U.S. shootings in the 164 days of 2016. The event in Orlando was the deadliest such attack in U.S. history.
So a week after Obama said this, the guy bought a semi-auto rifle and a handgun about a week after Obama made his statement, waited a week and did the shooting.
Could it be possible that Obama put the idea into the guy's head?
Seems that would have been something of a red flag, worth following up on.
damn obama
damn obama
I just wanted to quote that LegalizeHemp said that.
Seems that would have been something of a red flag, worth following up on.
I mean they blame video games and movies for bringing out violence in kids, so, it could be that Obama is at fault, kinda.
damn obama
I just wanted to quote that LegalizeHemp said that.
LeglizHemp
"the FBI often knows about sympathizers of the self-described Islamic State"...I read that he was on a list that would have kept him from buying guns legally, but his name was removed....Now whose fault is that?
Obama's, obviously.
Could it be possible that Obama put the idea into the guy's head?
Oh yes, clearly without that this never happens.
I just wanted to quote that LegalizeHemp said that.
Wow, you really showed him Jerry. Egg on your face Legalizehemp! LOL
I just wanted to quote that LegalizeHemp said that.
Wow, you really showed him Jerry. Egg on your face Legalizehemp! LOL
Why, did he eat some really runny eggs-over-easy this morning?
Could it be possible that Obama put the idea into the guy's head?
Oh yes, clearly without that this never happens.
You really think so? Never thought you'd have it in you to blame Obama for anything.
you have been quoted gondicar, congrats. 😛 😛 😛
getting quoted rocks...
getting quoted rocks...
quote:
getting quoted rocks...
see? i cant do that cool quote thing.
"Omar Mateen's current wife, Noor, told the FBI she was with him when he bought ammunition and a holster, several officials familiar with the case said. She told the FBI that she once drove him to the gay nightclub, Pulse, because he wanted to scope it out. Gunman's wife tried to talk him out of it. He had her take him to the club so he could look around and then plan the attack."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gunmans-wife-tried-to-talk-him-out-of-attack/ar-AAh2kPR?li=BBnb7Kz
Remarks: Premeditated, planned and carried out. And sadly there is more.
ISIS ISSUED A HIT LIST OF 8,000 PEOPLE IN AMERICA
ISIS had been trying to inspire 'lone wolf' attacks in America for months before the Orlando massacre, including publishing a kill list with the names of at least 600 Florida residents on it.
Accounts linked to the terror group published the list back in April on anonymous messaging app Telegram, which contained the names of thousands of targets, mostly Americans.
Three days ago, as the list continued to circulate, former FBI agent-turned lawyer Stuart Kaplan warned that it was likely intended to inspire lone gunmen into carrying out attacks. He also warned that there is little authorities can do to protect those on the list. Kaplan told CBS12: 'If in fact a sympathizer gets hold of this list and is readily able to identify you as being his neighbor and, then, decides to go out and do something horrific to you, there is no way to calculate the potential or to prevent that.'
The list, published on Telegram by the United Cyber Caliphate, is believed to contain the names of more than 8,000 people, mostly American citizens.
(more details in the article)
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