I believe it was definitely racial. The way I see it, he would not have been shot if it was a white guy. Just my opinion.
And I believe that you don't have enough information to say it was "definitely racial". It very well could be, sure does look that way, but until we get some information about the cop, it is unnecessarily throwing gas on an already bad situation. Who's to say that he wouldn't have shot a white guy? The cop is clearly trigger happy. One thing is for sure, the guy didn't deserve to die.
Now, it doesn't state whether or not Givens was a black man, but if so, we have a pattern emerging of poor treatment of black people. The article does state that there has been some tension in the past between the police dept. and the community.
http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20150407/PC16/150409468
Slager, a former Coast Guardsman with two stepchildren and a wife who is expecting a child, served for more than five years with the department without being disciplined.
Two people filed complaints against Slager during his time with the force, including one man who said the policeman shot him with a Taser for no reason in September 2013. Internal investigators exonerated the officer of any wrongdoing, though the suspect in that case was never arrested.
Yolanda Whitaker, a North Charleston woman who witnessed the 2013 incident and gave her account to the investigators at the time, told the newspaper Tuesday that Slager pulled Mario Givens, who was clad in boxer shorts, from his home and shot him with a Taser.
Alan, that's why I clarified it is just my opinion.
Doug, I'm glad he was exonerated. I support that. Serious question....was it proven that he acted within the law, or was there a lack of evidence to prove guilt? Either way, I wouldn't want the cop charged and convicted, but I just have a hard time morally justifying the incident since the victim was unarmed. It may have been legal, but I believe he could've apprehended him without killing him. If the law justifies his actions, then I think the law is flawed.
It is as open and shut a case of justifiable shooting inthe name of self defense as I have ever seen. That is why he wasn't charged despite all the clamoring and political pressure. If you change the law then you basically change it so that a police officer is required to forfeit his life rather than use deadly force to defend himself. Surely you can't mean that.
Serious question about Ferguson (I don't remember the details), what evidence was there that his life was truly in danger?
It doesn't matter whether his life was "truly in danger" It matters whether he had a reasonable belief that his life was truly in danger. This huge man was stickinghis hands in the window of the car and reaching for his gun. That means he had a reasonable belief his life was in danger.
You are right. The law is not my issue.
Doug, I'm glad he was exonerated. I support that. Serious question....was it proven that he acted within the law, or was there a lack of evidence to prove guilt? Either way, I wouldn't want the cop charged and convicted, but I just have a hard time morally justifying the incident since the victim was unarmed. It may have been legal, but I believe he could've apprehended him without killing him. If the law justifies his actions, then I think the law is flawed.
It is as open and shut a case of justifiable shooting inthe name of self defense as I have ever seen. That is why he wasn't charged despite all the clamoring and political pressure. If you change the law then you basically change it so that a police officer is required to forfeit his life rather than use deadly force to defend himself. Surely you can't mean that.
Well whaddayaknow, doug posted something I agree with!! 
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Gee, where would I get such a crazy idea? You got it Perry. I'm the racist.
The countless stories from black people all over the country about police brutality towards them, LA riots after Rodney King, the man in NYC choked to death, Ferguson emails, etc.
Boyton on Boyton crime.
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Thanks for the link to help me define "prejudice". Call me whatever you want. I really don't care. I don't believe shots would've been fired if he was white. That's it.
"I think you know I'm right here..." What is that supposed to mean?
By your definition, I'm not a racist because my opinion is based on much more than skin color alone. It's based on many past events, based on occupation, based on my own personal experience, based on the region of the shooting, based on attire, and a few others.
Flawed logic. I believe race played a role, but it's not the only factor. Nice try.
I believe it was definitely racial. The way I see it, he would not have been shot if it was a white guy. Just my opinion.
Is it "racial" when a Black Police officer shoots a white person?
How about when a Hispanic officer shoots a black man?
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I believe it was definitely racial. The way I see it, he would not have been shot if it was a white guy. Just my opinion.
is it "racial" when a Black Police officer shoot a white person?
How about when a Hispanic officer shoots a black man?
Great questions. How about this:
Is it "racial" when a white guy cuts off a black guy in traffic? Or a white guy doesn't hold the door for a black woman?
My point was that no matter how guilty I believe the officer involved here is, the media repeatedly shows this issue as one-sided. We never hear about these things going the other way. Talk about adding fuel to the fire....whenever a person of color is shot by a white officer.. It must be racially motivated.
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Flawed logic. I believe race played a role, but it's not the only factor. Nice try.
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I'm not "trying" anything. I am responding directly to your literal responses. You are moving the goalposts around.
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I believe race played a role, but it's not the only factor.
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Dude, did I really upset you that much the other day when I called your post ignorant? Ever since that day, you've been picking apart every post of mine, trying your hardest to prove me wrong, or that I'm a racist.
I'll explain why your logic is flawed. My first post about beieving he wouldn't have been shot if he was white, is how the conversation started. And it is natural for conversations to evolve, and reveal more and more information as the conversation goes on. So just because I didn't fully explain every detail of my opinion in my very first post, does not invalidate future posts where I further explain my position.
Apparently the geographical region and attire play a role too (WTF??), I haven't even asked about that one yet.
Being in the South, and the victim wearing t-shirt and black pants. Point is, the South's history on race is obvious, and had he been wearing a suit, he probably wouldn't have been shot, IMO.
thanks! I saw this today too.
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"By your definition, I'm not a racist because my opinion is based on much more than skin color alone. It's based on many past events, based on occupation, based on my own personal experience, based on the region of the shooting, based on attire, and a few others." - BB
To be honest BB, you just confused the cr@p out of me! Was your first post quoted above actually a 'see, racism doesn't exist' post? I assumed it was you saying WTF to the picture, and caption that cites 'stuff' that 'proves' racism doesn't exist. Then you turn around and make a statement that the shooting was definitely racist, in your opinion. Then say you are not racist because you can cite other 'stuff'? <<>>
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I believe it was definitely racial. The way I see it, he would not have been shot if it was a white guy. Just my opinion.
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How about when a Hispanic officer shoots a black man?
I'm only referring to the Walter Scott murder. I'm not sure how this is relevant.
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I believe it was definitely racial. The way I see it, he would not have been shot if it was a white guy. Just my opinion.
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How about when a Hispanic officer shoots a black man?
I'm only referring to the Walter Scott murder. I'm not sure how this is relevant.
It has everything to do with it. Once again, I believe the Police officer murdered Mr. Scott when he could easily have run after him, subdued him with his taser, or called for help. Please explain why this is racial.
To be honest BB, you just confused the cr@p out of me! Was your first post quoted above actually a 'see, racism doesn't exist' post? I assumed it was you saying WTF to the picture, and caption that cites 'stuff' that 'proves' racism doesn't exist. Then you turn around and make a statement that the shooting was definitely racist, in your opinion. Then say you are not racist because you can cite other 'stuff'? <<>>
No, I do believe race played a role in the shooting. I believe that if the victim was white, he wouldnt' have been shot. The photo I posted was to show the absurdity of Eric Bolling's quote, that racism doesn't exist.
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-32222454
5 images about being black in America shared after Walter Scott shooting
No, I do believe race played a role in the shooting. I believe that if the victim was white, he wouldnt' have been shot.
So, every time a Black man is shot by a White officer, it's racially driven?.....What makes this tragedy stand out in your view as racially motivated?
It has everything to do with it. Once again, I believe the Police officer murdered Mr. Scott when he could easily have run after him, subdued him with his taser, or called for help. Please explain why this is racial.
Dude, I just explained it above! I believe it's racial due to the countless stories by black people about falling victim to police brutality (Rodney King), people such as Chris Rock live tweeting whenever he gets pulled over, the fact that it happened in the South, the Ferguson emails....it's based on countless previous examples of racist behavior by cops all over the country. How many stories and examples do we need??? Do you know any black people? If so, ask them if they have ever been pulled over for no reason....see what they say.
As for your analogies of Hispanics and blacks......if there were countless stories and a long-running history about Hispanics or blacks targeting whites, then yes, I'd say the same thing.
It has everything to do with it. Once again, I believe the Police officer murdered Mr. Scott when he could easily have run after him, subdued him with his taser, or called for help. Please explain why this is racial.
Dude, I just explained it above! I believe it's racial due to the countless stories by black people about falling victim to police brutality (Rodney King), people such as Chris Rock live tweeting whenever he gets pulled over, the fact that it happened in the South, the Ferguson emails....it's based on countless previous examples of racist behavior by cops all over the country. How many stories and examples do we need??? Do you know any black people? If so, ask them if they have ever been pulled over for no reason....see what they say.
As for your analogies of Hispanics and blacks......if there were countless stories and a long-running history about Hispanics or blacks targeting whites, then yes, I'd say the same thing.
I understand that this is just your opinion. However, I also believe that this is a big part of this issue. Not every case of a White policeman shooting a person of color is racially motivated, I refuse to believe that. The assumption that it is based solely on past circumstances, Imho is just asinine. Each and every case has to be judged on its own merit and the facts that surround said case. In this one, there was video that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mr. Scott was indeed murdered. Fact. Everything else is just speculation and that is just sad.
That's strange, I read a post by Perryboyton that is now gone. Not sure what happened there, but I remember what it said.
You said that I'm talking in circles and that there are several people "calling me out" on it. That might be because it's difficult for you and those other folks to face the possibility that my position might be true. Even the mere speculation of it is upsetting, and to protect you all from having to face it, it's easier to just label me as being prejudice and wrong. That way, my possible scenario simply doesn't exist and all is good in the world.
It has everything to do with it. Once again, I believe the Police officer murdered Mr. Scott when he could easily have run after him, subdued him with his taser, or called for help. Please explain why this is racial.
Dude, I just explained it above! I believe it's racial due to the countless stories by black people about falling victim to police brutality (Rodney King), people such as Chris Rock live tweeting whenever he gets pulled over, the fact that it happened in the South, the Ferguson emails....it's based on countless previous examples of racist behavior by cops all over the country. How many stories and examples do we need??? Do you know any black people? If so, ask them if they have ever been pulled over for no reason....see what they say.
As for your analogies of Hispanics and blacks......if there were countless stories and a long-running history about Hispanics or blacks targeting whites, then yes, I'd say the same thing.
I understand that this is just your opinion. However, I also believe that this is a big part of this issue. Not every case of a White policeman shooting a person of color is racially motivated, I refuse to believe that. The assumption that it is based solely on past circumstances, Imho is just asinine. Each and every case has to be judged on its own merit and the facts that surround said case. In this one, there was video that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mr. Scott was indeed murdered. Fact. Everything else is just speculation and that is just sad.
I agree. The only person who knows for sure if this was racially motivated is the cop who fired the shots. That should be enough. It was murder and the motive does not really matter.
I understand that this is just your opinion. However, I also believe that this is a big part of this issue. Not every case of a White policeman shooting a person of color is racially motivated, I refuse to believe that. The assumption that it is based solely on past circumstances, Imho is just asinine. Each and every case has to be judged on its own merit and the facts that surround said case. In this one, there was video that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mr. Scott was indeed murdered. Fact. Everything else is just speculation and that is just sad.
I think what makes you sad, is that my speculation has merit.
Of course not every shooting. I admitted earlier that the Ferguson cop was rightfully exonerated. If any man, of any race, threatens a cop with deadly force, they have a right to shoot and kill. I'm basing my position on this particular case that he was running away. There was no threat.
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I understand that this is just your opinion. However, I also believe that this is a big part of this issue. Not every case of a White policeman shooting a person of color is racially motivated, I refuse to believe that. The assumption that it is based solely on past circumstances, Imho is just asinine. Each and every case has to be judged on its own merit and the facts that surround said case. In this one, there was video that shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that Mr. Scott was indeed murdered. Fact. Everything else is just speculation and that is just sad.
I think what makes you sad, is that my speculation has merit.
You confuse your definition of "merit" with what is nothing more than assumption.
Sounds like you and Perryboyton are also doing quite a bit of assuming too.
