I'm not sure that being a woman and being popular in Hollywood would be enough. Likeability is probably the most important attribute in a candidate and Hillary just ain't got it. Outside of liberals, of course.
Why does the GOP candidate continue to enter into the equation?
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Liberal's, Minority, Women and Gay vote. The exact same demographic Obama won with.
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm not talking about the results. I'm talking about what bearing that has on the selection of
your candidate.
There is no bearing so not sure where you are going? Based on the polls most Liberals think Hillary is the best choice. You hoping she will not run is not going to make it a reality and if that is your plan on winning in 2016 it just shows your lack of confidence in the GOP candidates.
I'm not sure that being a woman and being popular in Hollywood would be enough. Likeability is probably the most important attribute in a candidate and Hillary just ain't got it. Outside of liberals, of course.
Why does the GOP candidate continue to enter into the equation?
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by alloak41]
Liberal's, Minority, Women and Gay vote. The exact same demographic Obama won with.
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm not talking about the results. I'm talking about what bearing that has on the selection of
your candidate.There is no bearing so not sure where you are going? Based on the polls most Liberals think Hillary is the best choice. You hoping she will not run is not going to make it a reality and if that is your plan on winning in 2016 it just shows your lack of confidence in the GOP candidates.
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Curiously those liberals who want Hillary in 2016 can't say why.
That does have bearing and consequences.
I'm not sure that being a woman and being popular in Hollywood would be enough. Likeability is probably the most important attribute in a candidate and Hillary just ain't got it. Outside of liberals, of course.
Why does the GOP candidate continue to enter into the equation?
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by alloak41]
Liberal's, Minority, Women and Gay vote. The exact same demographic Obama won with.
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm not talking about the results. I'm talking about what bearing that has on the selection of
your candidate.There is no bearing so not sure where you are going? Based on the polls most Liberals think Hillary is the best choice. You hoping she will not run is not going to make it a reality and if that is your plan on winning in 2016 it just shows your lack of confidence in the GOP candidates.
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Curiously those liberals who want Hillary in 2016 can't say why.
That does have bearing and consequences.
Liberals have already given reasons why they support Hillary but you don't like the answer.
But in any case even if we had not there are no consequences you seem to be imagining. But if it makes you feel better to believe that don't let me piss in your cornflakes.
All indicators are pointing towards Hillary begin the Democratic Nominee and to date the GOP does not seem to have any candidates that can beat her.
All indicators are pointing towards Hillary begin the Democratic Nominee and to date the GOP does not seem to have any candidates that can beat her.
Sure they do. Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Scott Walker. All have excellent potential. I know a lot of people like Chris Christie but the bully populism thing has a short shelf life, IMO.
The difference is in the campaigns and how you run them, how you target your ground game and how much money you can raise in the easiest ways possible.
I do agree about Hillary. If she wants to run, she'll get the nomination.
All indicators are pointing towards Hillary begin the Democratic Nominee and to date the GOP does not seem to have any candidates that can beat her.
Sure they do. Marco Rubio, Rand Paul, Scott Walker. All have excellent potential. I know a lot of people like Chris Christie but the bully populism thing has a short shelf life, IMO.
The difference is in the campaigns and how you run them, how you target your ground game and how much money you can raise in the easiest ways possible.
I do agree about Hillary. If she wants to run, she'll get the nomination.
Bravo you are the first person to be willing to mention possible GOP candidates who have a chance to beat Hillary. I don't agree they have the star power to do it but at least you threw some names in the ring for discussion.
And I do agree how you run the campaign is an important factor and Hillary will have no problem raising tons of money and Bubba will help put together a take no prisoners campaign team
I'm not sure that being a woman and being popular in Hollywood would be enough. Likeability is probably the most important attribute in a candidate and Hillary just ain't got it. Outside of liberals, of course.
Why does the GOP candidate continue to enter into the equation?
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by alloak41]
Liberal's, Minority, Women and Gay vote. The exact same demographic Obama won with.
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm thinking at a minimum Hillary would expand the pct. difference that Obama won with the woman vote. Obama won the woman vote the last 2 elections and by respectable margins. I believe there are more females that vote than men.
With that said & going back to alloak's line, "I'm not sure that being a woman and being popular in Hollywood would be enough." How about we change the wording to the below:
"I'm not sure that being a woman and being popular on FOX would be enough."
So, can we get down our knees & pray that Palin will run. Wouldn't you love to see the debate between Hillary and the "youbetcha girl"?
So, can we get down our knees & pray that Palin will run.
More Sarah?
YES PLEASE!!!!! 
I can't quit her. I just can't!
I'm not sure that being a woman and being popular in Hollywood would be enough. Likeability is probably the most important attribute in a candidate and Hillary just ain't got it. Outside of liberals, of course.
Why does the GOP candidate continue to enter into the equation?
[Edited on 11/11/2014 by alloak41]
Liberal's, Minority, Women and Gay vote. The exact same demographic Obama won with.
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm not talking about the results. I'm talking about what bearing that has on the selection of
your candidate.There is no bearing so not sure where you are going? Based on the polls most Liberals think Hillary is the best choice. You hoping she will not run is not going to make it a reality and if that is your plan on winning in 2016 it just shows your lack of confidence in the GOP candidates.
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Curiously those liberals who want Hillary in 2016 can't say why.
That does have bearing and consequences.Liberals have already given reasons why they support Hillary but you don't like the answer.
But in any case even if we had not there are no consequences you seem to be imagining. But if it makes you feel better to believe that don't let me piss in your cornflakes.
All indicators are pointing towards Hillary begin the Democratic Nominee and to date the GOP does not seem to have any candidates that can beat her.
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Just have to lie again uh?
Not one of you have posted a reason for anyone to vote for Hillary.
Not one accomplishment in government.
Not one professional achievement.
There are no announced candidates by either party for a very good reason.
Do you know why thee are none at this time?
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm not talking about the results. I'm talking about what bearing that has on the selection of
your candidate.
There is no bearing so not sure where you are going? Based on the polls most Liberals think Hillary is the best choice. You hoping she will not run is not going to make it a reality and if that is your plan on winning in 2016 it just shows your lack of confidence in the GOP candidates.
I agree there is no bearing, but was just wondering why it keeps getting put into the equation.
Honestly, I'm neither optimistic or pessimistic about either side's chances at this point. It's early yet, and so much can happen. However, I do wonder why the Democrats make it seem a foregone conclusion and wish to hand Hillary the nomination unopposed.
I realize she's popular with Liberals and far be it from me to understand her appeal.
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm not talking about the results. I'm talking about what bearing that has on the selection of
your candidate.
There is no bearing so not sure where you are going? Based on the polls most Liberals think Hillary is the best choice. You hoping she will not run is not going to make it a reality and if that is your plan on winning in 2016 it just shows your lack of confidence in the GOP candidates.
I agree there is no bearing, but was just wondering why it keeps getting put into the equation.
Honestly, I'm neither optimistic or pessimistic about either side's chances at this point. It's early yet, and so much can happen. However, I do wonder why the Democrats make it seem a foregone conclusion and wish to hand Hillary the nomination unopposed.
I realize she's popular with Liberals and far be it from me to understand her appeal.
You don't understand her appeal because your perceptions are based upon conservative values, mindset, & thought process. Just to clarify - this is not a criticism. It is based upon the hundreds of posts you have made and your point of view presented in these posts.
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm not talking about the results. I'm talking about what bearing that has on the selection of
your candidate.There is no bearing so not sure where you are going? Based on the polls most Liberals think Hillary is the best choice. You hoping she will not run is not going to make it a reality and if that is your plan on winning in 2016 it just shows your lack of confidence in the GOP candidates.
I agree there is no bearing, but was just wondering why it keeps getting put into the equation.
Honestly, I'm neither optimistic or pessimistic about either side's chances at this point. It's early yet, and so much can happen. However, I do wonder why the Democrats make it seem a foregone conclusion and wish to hand Hillary the nomination unopposed.
I realize she's popular with Liberals and far be it from me to understand her appeal.
You don't understand her appeal because your perceptions are based upon conservative values, mindset, & thought process. Just to clarify - this is not a criticism. It is based upon the hundreds of posts you have made and your point of view presented in these posts.
Point taken, but let's examine the difference between Hillary and her husband (IMO.) I liked Bill right off the bat. I thought he was a great speaker, charismatic, seemed very intelligent, was LIKABLE with a good sense of humor. The exact opposite of Hillary in all those attributes. Compared to him, Hillary is about as exciting as a tin plate, and the gaffes....
I felt that Bill presented the right image for an American President and I voted for him. (Plus, being a Southerner didn't hurt.) I thought he turned out to be a pretty good President.
Come on Alloak you seem like a reasonably logical thinking Conservative so you don't think the candidate the GOP runs against Hillary will have no bearing on the results?
I'm not talking about the results. I'm talking about what bearing that has on the selection of
your candidate.There is no bearing so not sure where you are going? Based on the polls most Liberals think Hillary is the best choice. You hoping she will not run is not going to make it a reality and if that is your plan on winning in 2016 it just shows your lack of confidence in the GOP candidates.
I agree there is no bearing, but was just wondering why it keeps getting put into the equation.
Honestly, I'm neither optimistic or pessimistic about either side's chances at this point. It's early yet, and so much can happen. However, I do wonder why the Democrats make it seem a foregone conclusion and wish to hand Hillary the nomination unopposed.
I realize she's popular with Liberals and far be it from me to understand her appeal.
You don't understand her appeal because your perceptions are based upon conservative values, mindset, & thought process. Just to clarify - this is not a criticism. It is based upon the hundreds of posts you have made and your point of view presented in these posts.
Point taken, but let's examine the difference between Hillary and her husband (IMO.) I liked Bill right off the bat. I thought he was a great speaker, charismatic, seemed very intelligent, was LIKABLE with a good sense of humor. The exact opposite of Hillary in all those attributes. Compared to him, Hillary is about as exciting as a tin plate, and the gaffes....
I felt that Bill presented the right image for an American President and I voted for him. (Plus, being a Southerner didn't hurt.) I thought he turned out to be a pretty good President.
Patience, patience - you will come to like Hillary. Give love a chance. A little bit of liberalism may be just what the political doctor prescribed for you. And with Hillary, you get Bill. Consider it a bonus or a 2fer. Take a look at his popularity today & all the good will he brings worldwide.
So, can we get down our knees & pray that Palin will run.
More Sarah?
YES PLEASE!!!!!
I can't quit her. I just can't!
Dang. You just can't stop trying to look up her skirt.
So, can we get down our knees & pray that Palin will run.
More Sarah?
YES PLEASE!!!!!
I can't quit her. I just can't!
Dang. You just can't stop trying to look up her skirt.
Pshaw. I'm in for her smarts.
So, can we get down our knees & pray that Palin will run.
More Sarah?
YES PLEASE!!!!!
I can't quit her. I just can't!
Dang. You just can't stop trying to look up her skirt.
Pshaw. I'm in for her smarts.
I get that, you being from Kansas and all..............
Ben Carson may be a favorite of some Conservative but can't see him winning nomination as he has zero experience and his views on gay marriage, abortion and other issues will end up getting him labeled as a right wing extremist IMHO.
And?.....If those views are bothersome, you probably wouldn't vote for any GOP candidate. Given.
The key will be to win the base and turn out more Conservative voters, not to appease groups that won't vote for you anyway. Carson is too smart not to realize this.
With those views Carson will never win any of the demographics described above nor will he win the Independent voter like myself.
Ben Carson may be a favorite of some Conservative but can't see him winning nomination as he has zero experience and his views on gay marriage, abortion and other issues will end up getting him labeled as a right wing extremist IMHO.
And?.....If those views are bothersome, you probably wouldn't vote for any GOP candidate. Given.
The key will be to win the base and turn out more Conservative voters, not to appease groups that won't vote for you anyway. Carson is too smart not to realize this.
With those views Carson will never win any of the demographics described above nor will he win the Independent voter like myself.
That's what I said, so why worry about appeasing groups that won't vote for you anyway? Doesn't make sense.
As far as winning independents, it didn't hurt Romney much. He won the independent vote hands down.
Sixty-eight's advice. Run as a phony to attract voters who won't vote for you anyway, while pissing off your slam dunk voters at the very same time.
Uh, no thanks.
And yet the GOP has nobody on the horizon who can beat her. go figure.
Don't count out Jeb Bush just yet.
Jeb Bush would get destroyed.
Problem is, there aren't enough of your slam dunk voters left......
I am more amazed at how all the conservatives do the 'see, we can like blacks, we like Ben Carson, it's just Obama we hate'.............
And yet the GOP has nobody on the horizon who can beat her. go figure.
Don't count out Jeb Bush just yet.
Jeb Bush would get destroyed.
Primaries or general?
Opinions on Jeb from the usual pundits seem varied, but here are betting odds on some possible candidates to win in 2016 as of Nov 7 (post mid-terms)...Hillary has the best odds, followed by Jeb...
Hillary Clinton - 5/4 odds
Jeb Bush - 8/1
Marco Rubio - 11/1
Rand Paul - 12/1
Chris Christie - 12/1
Elizabeth Warren - 14/1
Mitt Romney - 25/1
Joe Biden - 33/1
From the democrat’s post-election roundtable “We have a problem”, how can Mrs. Clinton run away from Pres. Obama’s policies while trying to attract his voters and big donors?”
Any liberals have an answer to the Democratic Party’s question?
And yet the GOP has nobody on the horizon who can beat her. go figure.
Don't count out Jeb Bush just yet.
Jeb Bush would get destroyed.
Primaries or general?
Opinions on Jeb from the usual pundits seem varied, but here are betting odds on some possible candidates to win in 2016 as of Nov 7 (post mid-terms)...Hillary has the best odds, followed by Jeb...
Hillary Clinton - 5/4 odds
Jeb Bush - 8/1
Marco Rubio - 11/1
Rand Paul - 12/1
Chris Christie - 12/1
Elizabeth Warren - 14/1
Mitt Romney - 25/1
Joe Biden - 33/1
I think he has a shot in the Primaries but he will have his brothers stink all over him should he get the nomination IMHO
From the democrat’s post-election roundtable “We have a problem”, how can Mrs. Clinton run away from Pres. Obama’s policies while trying to attract his voters and big donors?”
Any liberals have an answer to the Democratic Party’s question?
Apparently pretty easily and evidently the GOP is worried about it.
"Clinton Inc. is going to be the most formidable fundraising operation for the Democrats in the history of the country. Period. Exclamation point," said Rick Hohlt, a lobbyist and fundraiser for Republican Party presidential candidates. "It sure causes concern."
And they are already building and infrastructure for her campaign as I type this so I would not worry too much about Hilliary getting money to fund her campaign.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-24/getting-ready-for-hillary-clinton-in-2016-costly-deal.html
You really should learn to use Google and do your research before you throw sh*t against the wall mule trying to make Democrats look bad as it makes you look so "low info". 😛
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[Edited on 11/12/2014 by Bill_Graham]
[Edited on 11/12/2014 by Bill_Graham]
Sixty-eight's advice. Run as a phony to attract voters who won't vote for you anyway, while pissing off your slam dunk voters at the very same time.
Uh, no thanks.
Have you ever even read a single post I have posted here??? Or are you just brain dead??? That was never, ever my advice. In fact my advice has always been the exact opposite. Don't run as a phony the way they have the last two Presidential elections. Both Romney and McCain were forced to flip all of their views making them phonies and most likely costing them the election, especially in Romney's case. McCain also made the stupid unvetted Palin VP pick so he would have lost anyway, but Romney lost solely on his flip flopping. A dozen years ago Romney himself branded himself as a moderate Republican. Then to get the Republican nod he had to try to rebrand himself as a conservative and he stated not only that he was conservative but he described himself as ultra conservative. The GOP would have never ever given him the nomination had he campaigned as himself, the one who invented and implemented Obamacare or Romneycare in Massechusetts and stated that it would be a good model for the entire country and he said that on video. Just like they wouldn't let McCain, the real McCain that they called the maverick run as himself. The McCain that ran against W Bush in the Republican primaries leading up to the 2000 election. That McCain and a non phony Romney both might have won had they been allowed to be nominated as themselves. They will do the same thing with Christie and he will either not get nominated or he will get nominated as a flipping phony and he will lose.
My advice has been and always will be for the Republicans to run non phony more moderate candidates. 99 percent of moderate Republicans won't even consider trying to get the Republican nomination because they know they have no chance to get the nod unless they flip all of their ideals to the far extreme right. If they keep nominating either right wings extremists or forcing moderates to flip flop and look like phonies they will continue to lose national Presidential elections and they will win by a larger margin each election with the ever changing demographics!!!
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From the democrat’s post-election roundtable “We have a problem”, how can Mrs. Clinton run away from Pres. Obama’s policies while trying to attract his voters and big donors?”
Any liberals have an answer to the Democratic Party’s question?
Apparently pretty easily and evidently the GOP is worried about it.
"Clinton Inc. is going to be the most formidable fundraising operation for the Democrats in the history of the country. Period. Exclamation point," said Rick Hohlt, a lobbyist and fundraiser for Republican Party presidential candidates. "It sure causes concern."
And they are already building and infrastructure for her campaign as I type this so I would not worry too much about Hilliary getting money to fund her campaign.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-24/getting-ready-for-hillary-clinton-in-2016-costly-deal.html
You really should learn to use Google and do your research before you throw sh*t against the wall mule trying to make Democrats look bad as it makes you look so "low info". 😛
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"Apparently pretty easily and evidently the GOP is worried about it."
Then why is the democratic party and so many of their mouthpieces so worried?
The GOP isn't worried but apparently the liberals are...
Problem is, there aren't enough of your slam dunk voters left......
I am more amazed at how all the conservatives do the 'see, we can like blacks, we like Ben Carson, it's just Obama we hate'.............
Why is that? Shouldn't we evaluate folks on a case-by-case basis, regardless of what color they are?
I never cared much for John McCain and happen to think a lot of Evan Bayh, and they're
the same color. Is that amazing, too?
Problem is, there aren't enough of your slam dunk voters left......
I am more amazed at how all the conservatives do the 'see, we can like blacks, we like Ben Carson, it's just Obama we hate'.............
Why is that? Shouldn't we evaluate folks on a case-by-case basis, regardless of what color they are?
I never cared much for John McCain and happen to think a lot of Evan Bayh, and they're
the same color. Is that amazing, too?
You missed the point. Again.
The problem with Hillary campaigning for you is that she's got to give a speech. That slow, grating. dull monotone and that voice make nails on a blackboard sound good.
Let's see. In previous posts you've indicated her medical problems, called her an alcoholic, and now you're sharing your expertise in speech & speech pathology - very impressive indeed.
Just dropped by after many weeks and surprised that the 2016 nominations are such a source of contention here in late 2014. A lot can happen in 2 years. As far as I can tell, none of you are talking issues. The big issue is still the economy. Financial institutions are up to their old tricks and no one's stopping. them . Paying for healthcare should never have been the focus - the question is WHY healthcare costs so much and is delivered so inefficiently. That's what needs to be fixed.
I think the rancor about individuals' personal lives is premature. We've had alcoholic presidents before (Pierce, Taft, Cleveland, Grant, and a recovering W). I've never heard that Hillary is an alcoholic, but then I don't read the tabloids.
Social issues like abortion, gay marriage, marijuana legalization, and assisted suicide have already been decided and there's no going back. Security, immigration, and economic stimulus in a tech-driven world are the issues for 2016 as of this moment (IMHO).
My question, is what do you tell your children about politics and life in the future? What should they study to get a job? How to invest (assuming they get a job)? Do they expect their standard of living to be higher or lower than that of their parents?
Sixty-eight's advice. Run as a phony to attract voters who won't vote for you anyway, while pissing off your slam dunk voters at the very same time.
Uh, no thanks.
Have you ever even read a single post I have posted here??? Or are you just brain dead??? That was never, ever my advice. In fact my advice has always been the exact opposite. Don't run as a phony the way they have the last two Presidential elections.
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I've read you have to say, but you seem to have flip-flopped with regard to Carson, implying that he'd have to abandon principals he believes in order to garner votes from certain groups.
