Cool. Disagreement is fine, as long as people understand the issue they disagree with.
Disagreement on any level is fine. "Understanding" the issue they disagree with is subjective. If you don't like the stance taken by someone who disagrees with you because they "don't understand" it is not your obligation to educate them to your way of seeing things.
You have two feet, just walk away.
Cool. Disagreement is fine, as long as people understand the issue they disagree with.
Disagreement on any level is fine. "Understanding" the issue they disagree with is subjective. If you don't like the stance taken by someone who disagrees with you because they "don't understand" it is not your obligation to educate them to your way of seeing things.
You have two feet, just walk away.
That door swings both ways.
Cool. Disagreement is fine, as long as people understand the issue they disagree with.
Disagreement on any level is fine. "Understanding" the issue they disagree with is subjective. If you don't like the stance taken by someone who disagrees with you because they "don't understand" it is not your obligation to educate them to your way of seeing things.
You have two feet, just walk away.
That door swings both ways.
Agreed. My experiences in life say that honest, two-way communication begins with listening to viewpoints that do not line-up with yours and responding with intent of keeping the conversation alive.
Trying to convince someone otherwise or defaming them for their beliefs is counter productive and usually is responsible for the exchange coming to a complete halt.
Cool. Disagreement is fine, as long as people understand the issue they disagree with.
Disagreement on any level is fine. "Understanding" the issue they disagree with is subjective. If you don't like the stance taken by someone who disagrees with you because they "don't understand" it is not your obligation to educate them to your way of seeing things.
You have two feet, just walk away.
Ok, I thought we were having a civil discussion but if I'm Mansplainging too much for you, I'll leave you be to your stubborn subjectivism where things only mean what you interpret.
I am happy to be the one to tell them it doesn't just represent the military
That is nothing more than your opinion and you are welcome to your own little slice of reality.
You have this backwards. Logic dictates that if others interpret the flag differently, then it is prove it is not just one interpretation, and those who can't see it as otherwise are the ones living in their own slice of reality.
Cool. Disagreement is fine, as long as people understand the issue they disagree with.
Disagreement on any level is fine. "Understanding" the issue they disagree with is subjective. If you don't like the stance taken by someone who disagrees with you because they "don't understand" it is not your obligation to educate them to your way of seeing things.
You have two feet, just walk away.
Ok, I thought we were having a civil discussion but if I'm Mansplainging too much for you, I'll leave you be to your stubborn subjectivism where things only mean what you interpret.
If I understand correctly, to disagree with you is to be "stubborn". I simply do not see things as you do, that in itself, does not define me as stubborn.
I repeat, you have two feet..
two-way communication begins with listening to viewpoints that do not line-up with yours and responding with intent of keeping the conversation alive.
Do you think you demonstrated this with Kaepernick and sanctuary cities?
Trying to convince someone otherwise or defaming them for their beliefs is counter productive and usually is responsible for the exchange coming to a complete halt.
You accuse them of disrespecting the flag, despite hearing them explain that they are not, and you still accuse them anyway. You are describing you. Do you mean to say that you feel disrespected?
[Edited on 5/31/2018 by BoytonBrother]
two-way communication begins with listening to viewpoints that do not line-up with yours and responding with intent of keeping the conversation alive.
Do you think you demonstrated this with Kaepernick and sanctuary cities?
While I respect CK's opinion and comprehend what he is attempting to communicate, I whole hardheartedly disagree with his choice of platform and what I see as disrespect of those who died for the Flag and the Anthem that speaks of its glory.
That should be sufficient, but I fully expect a response that will try to prove a different opinion to be true.
I oppose "Sanctuary" cities because of the rule of Law.
This also should be sufficient, but I fully expect a response that will try to prove a differing opinion to be true.
Trying to convince someone otherwise or defaming them for their beliefs is counter productive and usually is responsible for the exchange coming to a complete halt.
You accuse them of disrespecting the flag, despite hearing them explain that they are not, and you still accuse them anyway.
Two differing opinions. "Them" and "Me"....I do not claim to be right, we possess discordant visions.
While I respect CK's opinion and comprehend what he is attempting to communicate, I whole hardheartedly disagree with his choice of platform and what I see as disrespect of those who died for the Flag and the Anthem that speaks of its glory.
That should be sufficient, but I fully expect a response that will try to prove a different opinion to be true.
In your opinion, which is more disrespectful to the flag, the anthem and that speaks of its glory: Kaepernick and players who kneel, or white collar tax evasion? I’m serious.
I oppose "Sanctuary" cities because of the rule of Law.
This also should be sufficient, but I fully expect a response that will try to prove a differing opinion to be true.
Not a fan of letting the states decide?
If I understand correctly, to disagree with you is to be "stubborn". I simply do not see things as you do, that in itself, does not define me as stubborn.
I repeat, you have two feet..
Ha, no, you don't understand. You're "stubborn" because you refuse to see other points of view, only your own opinion, while claiming the opposite. You choose to be outraged based on purposeful misinterpretation. And apparently you also have a foot fetish. It's kind of creeping me out.
I'll bet the same folks who are offended by flag protest at home would defend people protesting their flag in a communist country as courageous heroes exercising a basic freedom, and decry repression as undemocratic.
I whole hardheartedly disagree with his choice of platform and what I see as disrespect of those who died for the Flag and the Anthem that speaks of its glory.
What about Americans who choose not to recognize our flag, and instead display and worship some other flag outside their home and auto? Would you consider this to be disrespectful to the flag and the anthem that speaks its glory? If so, which is more disrespectful in your opinion?
Ha, no, you don't understand. You're "stubborn" because you refuse to see other points of view, only your own opinion
Here we go, "I refuse to see" lol
I whole hardheartedly disagree with his choice of platform and what I see as disrespect of those who died for the Flag and the Anthem that speaks of its glory.
What about Americans who choose not to recognize our flag, and instead display and worship some other flag outside their home and auto?
Outside your home and auto? Sure, it's a Free Country even for those who choose to fly the Stars and Bars...Right?
Outside your home and auto? Sure, it's a Free Country even for those who choose to fly the Stars and Bars...Right?
Sure, but do you find it to be disrespectful to the American flag?
Outside your home and auto? Sure, it's a Free Country even for those who choose to fly the Stars and Bars...Right?
Sure, but do you find it to be disrespectful to the American flag?
I find taking a political stance that shows disdain for the Flag during the playing of the Anthem to be tremendously disrespectful.
This will continue to be view.
I find taking a political stance that shows disdain for the Flag during the playing of the Anthem to be tremendously disrespectful.
This will continue to be view.
When the questions got tough, this answer is exactly what I expected.
I find taking a political stance that shows disdain for the Flag during the playing of the Anthem to be tremendously disrespectful.
This will continue to be view.
When the questions got tough, this answer is exactly what I expected.
They are not tough and they are not difficult to understand. I really don't know how to express myself any more clearly. You are clearly looking for some sort of response that fits your agenda and well, that is just not gonna happen, we are most definitively standing on opposite sides of the fence and that is fine with me, but for some reason, it seems to get under your skin and you are unable to let it go.
They are not tough and they are not difficult to understand. I really don't know how to express myself any more clearly.
You could try answering the questions.
You are clearly looking for some sort of response that fits your agenda and well, that is just not gonna happen, we are most definitively standing on opposite sides of the fence and that is fine with me
All I’m looking for is discussion about the topic, and answers to my questions, but for some reason, you have chosen not to answer. I didn’t realize you prefer not to get into it.
but for some reason, it seems to get under your skin and you are unable to let it go.
Nope, just looking to advance the discussion. If you don’t want to answer, then fine by me at this point. Have a good one!
What goes clop clop clop clop, bang, clop clop clop clop?
An Amish drive-by shooting.
Did you guys know that Mennonites, Amish, and Jehovah's Witnesses "disrespect" the flag and national anthem for various reasons.
I don't hear any calls for them to leave the country, and they've been thumbing their collective noses at the flag and anthem for many years.
White privilege?
I am not Amish, Quaker, JW, or Mennonite but I have other family members and friends who are.
They do not demonstrably honor the flag, no.
But people of these religions would cut off their own legs before they deliberately dishonored, disrespected the flag or the National Anthem, or the United States as a country, and they do not honor the American flag because they are pacifists and have a history of oppression and persecution.
Many Quakers do not honor the American flag either, for pacifist reasons.
ie.protest against war.
They don't make pledges or swear on the Bible. They affirm, instead.
From the link:
"Quakers believed in living in such honesty that an oath could add nothing to what they said. As one of their founders George Fox said, when arrested and asked to swear the oath of allegiance: "Our allegiance [does] not lie in oaths but in truth and faithfulness." When handed a Bible to swear on, Fox opened it at the verse that read, "Swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath" - a rather awkward text for the book that people are supposed to swear on."
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32809040
Also, not all Mennonites, Quakers, and Jehovah's Witnesses are white. I know people who are all of these sects of Christianity who are black, Asian, Latino, and who have a heritage from indigenous native tribes in various central and South American countries.
There are even black people who converted to being Amish, but they find it very difficult since they do not speak Schwaebisch-Badisch, Plautdietsch, or Hochdeutsch, and being Amish is completely different than what they are used to. Of course the Amish speak and write English, but their religious sermons are in these dialects of German, and many Amish will speak these dialects of German amongst themselves, or use them when writing letters.
There's also a sect of Amish who use electricity, use the internet and mobile phones, and drive cars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beachy_Amish
[Edited on 6/4/2018 by The_Newt]
This shows no ones color, but perfectly illustrates how I feel about CK's right to take a knee during the Anthem.
This shows no ones color, but perfectly illustrates how I feel about CK's right to take a knee during the Anthem.
Those soldiers fought for his right to protest. I'm glad you get it.
This shows no ones color, but perfectly illustrates how I feel about CK's right to take a knee during the Anthem.
The lefties keep screaming about "his right" but no real American mentions it.
CK too a racist stand and insulted The U.S.
His is and will remain unemployed because of his own actions.
And he's still millions of dollars richer than you'll ever be. How does that feel?
And he's still millions of dollars richer than you'll ever be. How does that feel?
Are you kidding me with that crap? How does that feel? What?...Me?...lol. The right to make Millions? More power to him! Seriously. It is about the money. Go get it Colin, and this same cheer goes out to all Professional athletes. Sign for all you can get.
Was this meant to evoke jealousy? Hahaha
Are you kidding me with that crap? How does that feel? What?...Me?...lol. The right to make Millions? More power to him! Seriously. It is about the money. Go get it Colin, and this same cheer goes out to all Professional athletes. Sign for all you can get.
Was this meant to evoke jealousy? Hahaha
That was directed at Mule because I know it bothers him. However, I did post legit questions for you in the other thread.
This shows no ones color, but perfectly illustrates how I feel about CK's right to take a knee during the Anthem.
Those soldiers fought for his right to protest. I'm glad you get it.
I get that and am fully supportive of that privilege; the photo speaks for me.
Are you kidding me with that crap? How does that feel? What?...Me?...lol. The right to make Millions? More power to him! Seriously. It is about the money. Go get it Colin, and this same cheer goes out to all Professional athletes. Sign for all you can get.
Was this meant to evoke jealousy? Hahaha
That was directed at Mule because I know it bothers him.
My apologies
This shows no ones color, but perfectly illustrates how I feel about CK's right to take a knee during the Anthem.
There are many veterans on record stating that they have no issue with the kneeling. Are they wrong?
