No disrespect whatsoever to Colin Kaepernick and the cause he is behind. However, Herschel Walker is saying exactly what I have said all along: An NFL team is the owner's entity and if they do not want politically motivated protests occurring at their business they have EVERY right to enforce that.
No disrespect whatsoever to Colin Kaepernick and the cause he is behind. However, Herschel Walker is saying exactly what I have said all along: An NFL team is the owner's entity and if they do not want politically motivated protests occurring at their business they have EVERY right to enforce that.
I've always thought that Kaepernick's skills were limited and that's why he can't land a team. When it comes to the NFL, if a player can play and get the job done, he plays. Owners and coaches will make excuses for anyone who can carry the rock, make a tackle, or catch the game winning pass. Lots of fans will do that too.
Kaepernick is not employed because he is a poor quarterback and his racist actions are an embarrassment.
The owners do not want a poor quarterback or a racist to use their field to disrespect our country.
[Edited on 5/21/2018 by Muleman1994]
Controversy is bad for business.
NFL is pretty dependent on good PR and fan relations. Any kind of backlash is bad for their business model.
More pro legues are coming. XFL, Alliance of American Football. If Kaepernick wants to play football there are more chances to do so. That and Canada. If one wants to play pro football there are outlets for one to try and do that. If one wants to push for social or racial change, there are outlets to do that. The two are not always synonymous. Everyone has different end games.
I think Kaepernick should focus on his social and racial change. He was a very good college quarterback that are a dime a dozen, guys like him in college come and go every single year. He was a flash in the pan in the NFL. NFL careers are short. Fighting for equality and fairness never ends. If that is his calling he need not be in the NFL to do that.
Kaepernick is not employed because he is a poor quarterback
Sounds like you don't know football that well either. He is certainly good enough to be a back-up, or a 3rd string.
and his racist actions are an embarrassment. The owners do not want a poor quarterback or a racist to use their field to disrespect our country.
You misunderstand quite a bit in this story. His downfall began with the police pigs on his socks. IMO this exposed him as a fraud. If he was truly about improving relations, the thought of buying those socks wouldn't have ever entered his mind, let alone wear them on the field. Had his only actions been a kneel during the anthem, I'd back him. But he didn't. Secondly, he became a financial liability because of his choices, and the owners have every right to avoid that risk. If you think the owners care about a player being racist, I have some property in Florida I'd like to sell you.
So he's a "racist" because he makes a statement against racial bias by some police officers in this country unjustly profiling and killing african americans?.
Colin stated his opinion.
People on this site have been called "Racist" for thinking and saying they believe Illegal Immigration is wrong....The term seems to get thrown around a lot when people don't care for an opinion that differs from their own.
The term seems to get thrown around a lot when people don't care for an opinion that differs from their own.
All it took for me to earn the title of Top Whipping Post Racist was to refer to the Charlie Daniels Tribute show as Whitestock. That really hit a nerve. So far I remain unchallenged.
Interesting cultural difference there between blacks and whites, how blacks joke about race all the time, where if whites poke fun at whites they get all sensitive about it.
I just don't get it. I have nothing aganst white folks. I get along well with those people, at work and socially. I understand those people and respect their culture. I have white friends. In some ways I am more white than a lot of white people. I certainly know more about white history, culture, and European history than many whites. It helps that I am pale enough that I am actually paler than most whites, so I pass for white. I like some white food (can't stand sülze though, makes me nauseous) go to white restaurants on occasion. I even married a white girl, and wouldn't care if my daughter married a white man. I like a lot of white music, although I don't particularly care for Charlie Daniels, but he is certainly a credit to his race.
[Edited on 5/22/2018 by BrerRabbit]
People on this site have been called "Racist" for thinking and saying they believe Illegal Immigration is wrong....
Wrong, simplistic, and childish. You’ve been called racist because of the anger you display towards minorities, but never towards whites who are far worse.
The term seems to get thrown around a lot when people don't care for an opinion that differs from their own.
This childish simplistic statement is nothing more than a defense mechanism you use when people call you out on your flaws.
People on this site have been called "Racist" for thinking and saying they believe Illegal Immigration is wrong....
Wrong, simplistic, and childish. You’ve been called racist because of the anger you display towards minorities, but never towards whites who are far worse.
Once again, nothing more than your opinion and one you are entitled to.
The term seems to get thrown around a lot when people don't care for an opinion that differs from their own.
This childish simplistic statement is nothing more than a defense mechanism you use when people call you out on your flaws.
"Flaws"...lol, on whose scale?.....Oh that's right!....The Liberal one.
"Flaws"...lol, on whose scale?
At least you didn’t deny it’s a defense mechanism.
"Flaws"...lol, on whose scale?
At least you didn’t deny it’s a defense mechanism.
"Defense mechanism"?...please. You just can't seem to grasp the concept that the way you view things is not the only way to see them.
Enjoy the day
What about that Milwaukee Bucks guard who was tased, completely unprovoked -- it's an all too common reason why people of color feel shit on/denigrated/under an unsaid but very present threat every day -- one recalls James Blake, the tennis player from a couple of years ago.....& the DC area congressman who got pulled over something like 7 times...…….
yet people will look at that video of the Bucks player, & have a different opinion......so what
I think Kapernick is a good player, he's proved that -- Browns should sign him to back up Baker 😉
(migrated this from the school massacre thread)
Where I have "an issue" is his choice of platforms.
I'm sure this was a common complaint back when protest invaded pop music. And then became an art form, the shrieking howls of war and discontent transmuted into vocal and instrumental style, huge amps, effects, electronic R&D, and mind expansion, driving a tech revolution that led us right here to this point. Point, it all works together.
Colin simply expressed his conscience within his environment, where he happened to be when called.
(Aside, hey, "protest sports" could get interesting, bring some immediacy and urgency into a stale commercial ritual, same way protest revived commercial music. Incredible feats of inspired daring as the player strives to defend a cause they actually care about, would sure beat driving for STP or Bank of America.)
Looks like he was protesting in a perfect platform to reach a lot of people who otherwise never would have paid any attention. He made his decision, took initiative, displayed valor and courage, accepted consequence with dignity, brought his concern to the fore, and left a lot of people stirred up in his wake, all without harming a soul or causing the slightest inconvenience to anyone other than their own reactions and discomfort.
Coca Cola, Pepsi, Samsung, don't turn off their signs during the Anthem, that's a lot more disrespectful than taking a knee. Would you stand and wave a Pepsi flag during the anthem? Why are sponsors allowed to wave their flags during the anthem? Because they ARE the game, they own the players and the spectators, and think they own the country.
Very successful peaceful protest. MLK would have been proud.
As originally stated when I started this post, my position in that an NFL team is the owner's entity and if they choose not to have political protests at their games they have every right to enforce that.
For those who claim that Kaepernick's actions involve a very pertinent and important form of protest, my question to you would be this:
Just exactly WHERE does this end? Kaepernick had in mind the treatment of blacks by police officers, a very legitimate and hot topic. So maybe a couple of other players are upset about the treatment of women in the workplace in our society. Some others are upset about domestic violence. And a few others are pissed off about the lack of safety measures for coal miners in Kentucky. Maybe a few others are rebuked by the low wages paid to fast food workers trying to feed their families.
What if ALL of these players decide that in NFL game is the proper place to protest ANY injustice occurring in America. Do they line up in order to protest at an NFL game? Take turns, with each group kneeling in turn after the other ones? When did treatment of blacks by police officers get precedence over any other injustice? And who makes the decision that it is pertinent to use a professional football contest to forward their concerns?
Do you see now how this really opens a HUGE can of worms? Especially if you happen to be the owner of an NFL franchise?
http://www.kxxv.com/story/38259812/nfl-owners-adopt-new-policy-to-address-anthem-protests
[Edited on 5/23/2018 by robslob]
Can't answer to "where does it all end", other than it never ends. Let the sports industry try to ban protest, it just feeds the fire. It doesn't make any difference, these things follow their course.
Was just discussing this with a friend who does camera for the Phoenix Suns. He brought up that often the national anthem is announced "Please stand for the national anthem, brought to you by (sponsor)" . . . and sponsors run their ads during the anthem.
Commercial use of the anthem and flag strikes me as not only disrespectful but criminal, and certainly orders of magnitude worse than peaceful protest.
Do you see now how this really opens a HUGE can of worms?
Well, actually...no. People taking a knee at any point for any reason doesn't really bother me.
In sports, we are trained from a young age to immediately take a knee when a fellow competitor gets injured, out or respect. Funny how it's different when some music is playing.
Just exactly WHERE does this end?
I think it’s silly and paranoid to think players will form a mass protest over those other issues.
What if ALL of these players decide that in NFL game is the proper place to protest ANY injustice occurring in America. Do they line up in order to protest at an NFL game? Take turns, with each group kneeling in turn after the other ones?
What if, what if, what if. Let’s deal with the actual issue of players kneeling over police repeatedly murdering unarmed black men while white armed terrorists are routinely taken alive. Your detractions add nothing of value. If we play the “what if” game with our current events, nothing gets done.
When did treatment of blacks by police officers get precedence over any other injustice?
Did you mean to say the murder of many unarmed black people? I think it takes precedence because coal mining wages don’t result in the murder of innocent people, just a thought.
And who makes the decision that it is pertinent to use a professional football contest to forward their concerns
The players.
Do you see now how this really opens a HUGE can of worms? Especially if you happen to be the owner of an NFL franchise?
Yes. It sucks that some people are so sensitive that they won’t tolerate a peaceful non-violent protest in the name of saving innocent lives. A decent person wouldn’t care.
[Edited on 5/23/2018 by BoytonBrother]
I think it’s silly and paranoid to think players will form a mass protest over those other issues.
Then both you and the players are the silly ones:
[Edited on 5/23/2018 by robslob]
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/domestic-violence-nearly-three-u-s-wom en-killed-every-day-n745166
Not so sure that's the best example topic to use when it comes to the NFL... 😉
Then both you and the players are the silly ones:
Really? I watch a lot of NFL. I don’t remember seeing players in a mass protest about this. I must have missed it.
In light of the new NFL policy forcing players to “stand and show respect to the flag”, then does that mean they can still raise a fist during the anthem?
In light of the new NFL policy forcing players to “stand and show respect to the flag”, then does that mean they can still raise a fist during the anthem?
To allow the players to follow the lead set by John Carlos would upset Trump. He would then threaten the white owners since Trump has demonstrated he is such a patriot & represents all the people...good people on both sides.
[Edited on 5/24/2018 by MartinD28]
A true American - President Trump is calling for the expulsion of football players from the United States. For those who voted for him, you should be proud of your vote for someone who would kick black players out of the country but has a hard time in condemning white supremacists.
See the below article reflecting a segment from state run TV:
Then both you and the players are the silly ones:
Really? I watch a lot of NFL. I don’t remember seeing players in a mass protest about this. I must have missed it.
My point, since you seem unable to grasp it, is that domestic violence against women (to use just ONE example) is every bit as important an issue as violence perpetrated against blacks by police. So maybe some players decide to take up THAT issue. And how about America's children REGULARLY getting slaughtered at school? Are you telling me THAT is any less important than violence perpetrated by cops?
So once we allow protests at a sporting event, why stop at blacks being killed by the police? Maybe we can have 4 or 5 different protests at each game. Is that fair to an NFL owner, who is trying to run a business? Why is a sporting event the chosen medium to protest ANY of these things?
[Edited on 5/24/2018 by robslob]
My point, since you seem unable to grasp it, is that domestic violence against women (to use just ONE example) is every bit as important an issue as violence perpetrated against blacks by police. So maybe some players decide to take up THAT issue. And how about America's children REGULARLY getting slaughtered at school? Are you telling me THAT is any less important than violence perpetrated by cops?
No, why do you ask?
So once we allow protests at a sporting event, why stop at blacks being killed by the police?
It’s what is most important to the players.
Maybe we can have 4 or 5 different protests at each game. Is that fair to an NFL owner, who is trying to run a business?
“We can have”? You act as though it’s the same as throwing a promotional event. And do you really see professional athletes forming multiple mass protests on a regular basis? It’s silly to think athletes would do that, and that is my point to you.
And I’m glad you are so concerned about fairness for the owners, we wouldn’t want anything to be unfair for them. How can they manage? Others are more concerned about the fairness of being murdered for no reason.
Why is a sporting event the chosen medium to protest ANY of these things?
Because of the enormous stage, and the enormous amount of exposure it gets. No other medium can produce that level of publicity.
A true American - President Trump is calling for the expulsion of football players from the United States. For those who voted for him, you should be proud of your vote for someone who would kick black players out of the country but has a hard time in condemning white supremacists.
See the below article reflecting a segment from state run TV:
Trump wants to deport these players. How does that work? Generally, when you deport someone, you arre sending them to the country they are citizens of. Where do you send the NFL players? Gitmo?
A true American - President Trump is calling for the expulsion of football players from the United States. For those who voted for him, you should be proud of your vote for someone who would kick black players out of the country but has a hard time in condemning white supremacists.
See the below article reflecting a segment from state run TV:
Trump wants to deport these players. How does that work? Generally, when you deport someone, you arre sending them to the country they are citizens of. Where do you send the NFL players? Gitmo?
Bingo.
Trump's thoughts (or extemporaneous microphone talk) are that of dictators. He has truly shown who he is in this last year and a half. And this is what; not whom this country voted for?
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Why is a sporting event the chosen medium to protest ANY of these things?Because of the enormous stage, and the enormous amount of exposure it gets. No other medium can produce that level of publicity.
I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct? "My boss has a huge business that gets TV exposure, so I am going to take advantage of this and put forth my political concerns on this stage. And the fact that they are paying me $8 million a year to play football is completely irrelevant."
Interesting. You might have a different view of things if you owned a professional sports franchise.............
[Edited on 5/26/2018 by robslob]
I'm wondering what the collective bargaining agreement states with the players' union. This seems like a unilateral decision made under pressure from a president who drapes himself in false patriotic rhetoric to create division between factions of the population.
I see. So it's the players' right to protest ANYTHING they see fit, correct?
Correct. But they've only chosen to protest one thing. The rest is just a fantasy in your head.
My boss has a huge business that gets TV exposure, so I am going to take advantage of this and put forth my political concerns on this stage. And the fact that they are paying me $8 million a year to play football is completely irrelevant.
Correct. Now you're getting it! This is called "democracy".
You might have a different view of things if you owned a professional sports franchise.............
If I was this rich, I wouldn't be worrying about it at all....trust me. Sounds like you just have some personal issue with the whole thing, which is fine.
