But Rob, when his heart went bad.....he could use that baseball bat to kill people from the 32nd floor by flinging them into the crowd...

That's the kind of argument that is always presented. Any tool can be used as a weapon but the gun is a tool designed only for 1 reason. The fact that there are now shooting sports surely wasn't the intent when they were first designed...that's just our way of using tools as toys....

There seems to be no middle ground or even concern for police since they want to open up silencers and amour piercing bullets to be legal. Who needs those??? violent people....

And baseball bats don't hit a baseball, people do. So why bother with a bat? Just let the guy go up there and swing with his arms. CORRECT?

What is your take on prescription medicine? Here in KY it kills people literally every hour. Do we ban prescription drugs due to the fraction of people that abuse them?
.....
analogizes to this,
Larry's lawfully owned guns were taken because of gun laws.
Billy breaks into Larry's house with his illegal gun
Larry can no longer defend himself because he is now "obeying the law".

Just my .02, I swore I would never discuss politics on here, but had to get that one out.

Long live ABB!

[Edited on 10/4/2017 by anthonyspare]

No need to be shy son.. they are just liberals.

What is your take on prescription medicine? Here in KY it kills people literally every hour. Do we ban prescription drugs due to the fraction of people that abuse them?
.....
analogizes to this,
Larry's lawfully owned guns were taken because of gun laws.
Billy breaks into Larry's house with his illegal gun
Larry can no longer defend himself because he is now "obeying the law".

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

Also, stop saying anyone is taking your hand guns or hunting rifles. It's a waste of time and energy to argue against something that no one is proposing. If you need a semi-automatic or automatic weapon to defend your house from intruders, you are probably a drug czar or have much bigger problems.

What is your take on prescription medicine? Here in KY it kills people literally every hour. Do we ban prescription drugs due to the fraction of people that abuse them?
.....
analogizes to this,
Larry's lawfully owned guns were taken because of gun laws.
Billy breaks into Larry's house with his illegal gun
Larry can no longer defend himself because he is now "obeying the law".

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

Also, stop saying anyone is taking your hand guns or hunting rifles. It's a waste of time and energy to argue against something that no one is proposing. If you need a semi-automatic or automatic weapon to defend your house from intruders, you are probably a drug czar or have much bigger problems.

Isn't the rhetoric just dumbfounding how they can get to any of that....sad...again no middle ground...Nobody wants your shotgun...or pistol....or deer gun....no one though needs military grade weapons except the military

What is your take on prescription medicine? Here in KY it kills people literally every hour. Do we ban prescription drugs due to the fraction of people that abuse them?
.....
analogizes to this,
Larry's lawfully owned guns were taken because of gun laws.
Billy breaks into Larry's house with his illegal gun
Larry can no longer defend himself because he is now "obeying the law".

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

Also, stop saying anyone is taking your hand guns or hunting rifles. It's a waste of time and energy to argue against something that no one is proposing. If you need a semi-automatic or automatic weapon to defend your house from intruders, you are probably a drug czar or have much bigger problems.

Any argument with gun nuts talks about banning guns, as if that is being proposed. Nobody is talking about banning guns. What is often proposed is common sense gun laws to keep military style guns out of people's hands and keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unbalanced people. I am a gun owner, but I have no problems with guns laws that designed to keep a few dangerous people from having the most dangerous types of guns.

No need to be shy son.. they are just liberals.

Here we go.........the liberals trying to take my guns away. Liberal, conservative.........what difference does THAT make? There are plenty of Democrats, some of them liberal, who are in bed with the NRA.

Getting your jollies on the firing range is MUCH more important than worrying about protecting innocent civilians, correct?

What is your take on prescription medicine? Here in KY it kills people literally every hour. Do we ban prescription drugs due to the fraction of people that abuse them?
.....
analogizes to this,
Larry's lawfully owned guns were taken because of gun laws.
Billy breaks into Larry's house with his illegal gun
Larry can no longer defend himself because he is now "obeying the law".

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

Also, stop saying anyone is taking your hand guns or hunting rifles. It's a waste of time and energy to argue against something that no one is proposing. If you need a semi-automatic or automatic weapon to defend your house from intruders, you are probably a drug czar or have much bigger problems.

Any argument with gun nuts talks about banning guns, as if that is being proposed. Nobody is talking about banning guns. What is often proposed is common sense gun laws to keep military style guns out of people's hands and keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unbalanced people. I am a gun owner, but I have no problems with guns laws that designed to keep a few dangerous people from having the most dangerous types of guns.

There's already a law for that.

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

From 1999 to 2015, more than 183,000 people have died in the U.S. from overdoses related to prescription opioids. Maybe not the BEST analogy but certainly not a fail. If your goal is for there to be legislation that saves lives. I do think you should consider legislation that will save the MOST lives. And Prescription ODs look like a far better goal than the victims of Fat, Angry, Mentally Ill white guys with guns that voted for the NRA.

Here we go.........the liberals trying to take my guns away. Liberal, conservative.........what difference does THAT make? There are plenty of Democrats, some of them liberal, who are in bed with the NRA.

True but they are not here posting the same old tried & tired arguments against the second amendment.

[Edited on 10/4/2017 by KCJimmy]

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

From 1999 to 2015, more than 183,000 people have died in the U.S. from overdoses related to prescription opioids. Maybe not the BEST analogy but certainly not a fail. If your goal is for there to be legislation that saves lives. I do think you should consider legislation that will save the MOST lives. And Prescription ODs look like a far better goal than the victims of Fat, Angry, Mentally Ill white guys with guns that voted for the NRA.

And if prescription medicines weren't prescribed, even more addicts would have access.

I live in southern Florida, recovery centers are everywhere and coffee shops are full during the day, so you don't need to fill me in on the opioid overdose epidemic which affects those who take opioids, not a crowd people. Thus far, no one has jumped out from behind a bush and stabbed me with a heroine needle. There are a number of programs to combat and solve the issue, breaking up false sober homes that are run by heroine/opioid dealers and prety upon young addics. Even the President weighed in. There's a conversation. And no one is taking about banning prescription pain killers. So it's a pretty different issue that deserves another thread.

[Edited on 10/5/2017 by porkchopbob]

Isn't the rhetoric just dumbfounding how they can get to any of that....sad...again no middle ground...Nobody wants your shotgun...or pistol....or deer gun....no one though needs military grade weapons except the military

So, what do you propose to stop the shootings?

Isn't the rhetoric just dumbfounding how they can get to any of that....sad...again no middle ground...Nobody wants your shotgun...or pistol....or deer gun....no one though needs military grade weapons except the military

So, what do you propose to stop the shootings?

More Rhetoric...we all know we can't stop someone with the intent to cause harm...we don't need to make military grade weapons available so the can mow down 500+ people from 500 yards away

Oh yes he can kill someone with a screwdriver...but I doubt he could kill 58 and injure over 500 with it from 500 yards away or even up close...

So stop the rhetoric...its tiresome and old...help find a solution...we know mental health or the lack of it is a cause...we also know he bought all of those weapons legally and modified them....there is no reason for those weapon in our society...

As far as prescription drugs that is something people do to themselves...is it a problem yes and it needs attention but it is not the same issue at all

Got a solution or more NRA rhetoric

What is your take on prescription medicine? Here in KY it kills people literally every hour. Do we ban prescription drugs due to the fraction of people that abuse them?
.....
analogizes to this,
Larry's lawfully owned guns were taken because of gun laws.
Billy breaks into Larry's house with his illegal gun
Larry can no longer defend himself because he is now "obeying the law".

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

Also, stop saying anyone is taking your hand guns or hunting rifles. It's a waste of time and energy to argue against something that no one is proposing. If you need a semi-automatic or automatic weapon to defend your house from intruders, you are probably a drug czar or have much bigger problems.

Any argument with gun nuts talks about banning guns, as if that is being proposed. Nobody is talking about banning guns. What is often proposed is common sense gun laws to keep military style guns out of people's hands and keeping guns out of the hands of mentally unbalanced people. I am a gun owner, but I have no problems with guns laws that designed to keep a few dangerous people from having the most dangerous types of guns.

There's already a law for that.

The bump stock he was using was legal. Everything he owned was legal. I guess that makes the massacre OK as it did not violate his rights.

Nothing will change.

Nothing will change.

Sad to say I agree...When all those children were slaughter in a school yard and nothing was done I knew then that our legislators were screaming at the top of their lungs that guns are more important than the safety of innocent children in a playground. Or anyone else in public for that matter.

So, what do you propose to stop the shootings?

To decrease the amount of shootings, I would propose all Americans exercising their 2nd amendment right by demonstrating the required knowledge, safety, and complete operation of your weapon of choice followed by the same evaluations that our police use on their recruits to test for mental competency. It won't stop them, but it would surely save some lives.

Isn't the rhetoric just dumbfounding how they can get to any of that....sad...again no middle ground...Nobody wants your shotgun...or pistol....or deer gun....no one though needs military grade weapons except the military

So, what do you propose to stop the shootings?

Apparently thoughts and prayers for the victims is enough.

Or maybe the concert goers should have had guns too, because hundreds of drunk country music fans firing back at a hotel surely would have worked out better.

It's the price of freedom 2112. There's just nothing anyone can do. If we can't fully eliminate it 100%, there no sense in doing anything to decrease the amount of victims. If there's going to be some victims anyway with murder, accidental deaths, trucks, knives, hammers, bombs, or whatever, then why bother? If there's going to be some, might as well open the flood gates so there's more. I'd rather assume it won't save any lives, and do nothing. Dumb libtards.

But Rob, when his heart went bad.....he could use that baseball bat to kill people from the 32nd floor by flinging them into the crowd...

That's the kind of argument that is always presented. Any tool can be used as a weapon but the gun is a tool designed only for 1 reason. The fact that there are now shooting sports surely wasn't the intent when they were first designed...that's just our way of using tools as toys....

There seems to be no middle ground or even concern for police since they want to open up silencers and amour piercing bullets to be legal. Who needs those??? violent people....

Silencers....in Europe every gun is sold with one the reason is to quiet the noise from the guns to save peoples hearing they do NOT make a gun silenced they just make them to a decibel that does not damage the human ear , they are far far from silent the U.S should have them available for sale with any gun purchase if that had been law i would still be able to hear.

What is your take on prescription medicine? Here in KY it kills people literally every hour. Do we ban prescription drugs due to the fraction of people that abuse them?
.....
analogizes to this,
Larry's lawfully owned guns were taken because of gun laws.
Billy breaks into Larry's house with his illegal gun
Larry can no longer defend himself because he is now "obeying the law".

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

Also, stop saying anyone is taking your hand guns or hunting rifles. It's a waste of time and energy to argue against something that no one is proposing. If you need a semi-automatic or automatic weapon to defend your house from intruders, you are probably a drug czar or have much bigger problems.

Isn't the rhetoric just dumbfounding how they can get to any of that....sad...again no middle ground...Nobody wants your shotgun...or pistol....or deer gun....no one though needs military grade weapons except the military

You sir are a shining example of someone who has no clue what the 2nd amendment is about, it is perfectly fine if you do not like guns but you simply don't get it.....

What is your take on prescription medicine? Here in KY it kills people literally every hour. Do we ban prescription drugs due to the fraction of people that abuse them?
.....
analogizes to this,
Larry's lawfully owned guns were taken because of gun laws.
Billy breaks into Larry's house with his illegal gun
Larry can no longer defend himself because he is now "obeying the law".

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

Also, stop saying anyone is taking your hand guns or hunting rifles. It's a waste of time and energy to argue against something that no one is proposing. If you need a semi-automatic or automatic weapon to defend your house from intruders, you are probably a drug czar or have much bigger problems.

Isn't the rhetoric just dumbfounding how they can get to any of that....sad...again no middle ground...Nobody wants your shotgun...or pistol....or deer gun....no one though needs military grade weapons except the military

You sir are a shining example of someone who has no clue what the 2nd amendment is about, it is perfectly fine if you do not like guns but you simply don't get it.....

Ever tried ear plugs or maybe another hobby!!...could any of the 500+ people hear that gun from that distance with a silencer...here's how I really feel about your need to go shooting....Thumb violins in full concert mode

Cry me a river that you didn't take care of the problem you put upon yourself.....

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

From 1999 to 2015, more than 183,000 people have died in the U.S. from overdoses related to prescription opioids. Maybe not the BEST analogy but certainly not a fail. If your goal is for there to be legislation that saves lives. I do think you should consider legislation that will save the MOST lives. And Prescription ODs look like a far better goal than the victims of Fat, Angry, Mentally Ill white guys with guns that voted for the NRA.

Here we go.........the liberals trying to take my guns away. Liberal, conservative.........what difference does THAT make? There are plenty of Democrats, some of them liberal, who are in bed with the NRA.

True but they are not here posting the same old tried & tired arguments against the second amendment.

[Edited on 10/4/2017 by KCJimmy]

Excellent post but most folks can not handle the truth and also 1200 people die every day from tobacco related disease ....dead is dead the method matters not you want to save lives then do it !

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

From 1999 to 2015, more than 183,000 people have died in the U.S. from overdoses related to prescription opioids. Maybe not the BEST analogy but certainly not a fail. If your goal is for there to be legislation that saves lives. I do think you should consider legislation that will save the MOST lives. And Prescription ODs look like a far better goal than the victims of Fat, Angry, Mentally Ill white guys with guns that voted for the NRA.

Here we go.........the liberals trying to take my guns away. Liberal, conservative.........what difference does THAT make? There are plenty of Democrats, some of them liberal, who are in bed with the NRA.

True but they are not here posting the same old tried & tired arguments against the second amendment.

[Edited on 10/4/2017 by KCJimmy]

Excellent post but most folks can not handle the truth and also 1200 people die every day from tobacco related disease ....dead is dead the method matters not you want to save lives then do it !

The difference is the tobacco users did themselves in...I watched my dad and mom both die from smoking...they did it to themselves...Big difference..stop the rhetoric its sad old and tired

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people who weren't themselves taking it? Analogy fail.

From 1999 to 2015, more than 183,000 people have died in the U.S. from overdoses related to prescription opioids. Maybe not the BEST analogy but certainly not a fail. If your goal is for there to be legislation that saves lives. I do think you should consider legislation that will save the MOST lives. And Prescription ODs look like a far better goal than the victims of Fat, Angry, Mentally Ill white guys with guns that voted for the NRA.

Here we go.........the liberals trying to take my guns away. Liberal, conservative.........what difference does THAT make? There are plenty of Democrats, some of them liberal, who are in bed with the NRA.

True but they are not here posting the same old tried & tired arguments against the second amendment.

[Edited on 10/4/2017 by KCJimmy]

Excellent post but most folks can not handle the truth and also 1200 people die every day from tobacco related disease ....dead is dead the method matters not you want to save lives then do it !

I wrote this in another thread, but I guess it needs to be said again for some insane reason:

We regulate smoking. Heavily. After it was proved to be a health risk to people who couldn't object (often young children in smoke-filled homes who were acquiring asthma) smoking areas have shrunk over the past few decades. There are local ordinances banning smoking from restaurants and public places, airplanes, hospitals, etc. There are televised ad campaigns and Federally mandated warnings on cigarette packaging. People went after the tobacco companies and their lobbyists, and it worked. After a steady effort to find solutions to the effects of smoking, if you want to smoke today, it is largely at your own risk. But you know what? - you can still smoke, no one took peoples' smokes away!

So yeah, everyone went to bat to stop innocent people from developing asthma, emphysema, bronchitis. Meanwhile, deadly mass shootings have increased dramatically, while gun laws have become more lax. Maybe we should try the same approach with highly dangerous semi-automatic weapons that have been used to repeatedly murder large numbers of innocent people.

1200 people die every day from tobacco related disease ....

In all seriousness, what is your point?

dead is dead the method matters not you want to save lives then do it !

Are you suggesting we update laws on both guns and smoking?

Rydethewind, are you against people having to demonstrate complete responsible operation of a firearm before exercising their 2nd amendment rights? And what purpose do the psychological evaluations serve used by our police on recruits before hire?

[Edited on 10/5/2017 by BoytonBrother]

Prescription medicine? Seriously? When is the last time someone's prescription medicine killed a crowd of innocent people

Glad this surfaced - actually psychiatric prescrips, SSRI in particular, seem to be a common element in these crazy attacks. So the answer to your question is prescription medication is klling crowds of innocents on a regular basis.

Baby steps, can't fix it all at once. The impasse over guns is killing any progress in dialogue. Best to take the focus off the weapons and start studying who should not have them and yank the guns away from them, all of them down to a squirt gun.

A good start would be any prescription for psychiatric medication, SSRI especially, include mandatory forfeiture of all firearms. It looks like SSRI are the real culprit in these "blaze of glory" postal "senseless" events.

Falls into the rules against operating heavy machinery or driving intoxicated category.

[Edited on 10/5/2017 by BrerRabbit]

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Guns or not, a person can find several other ways to inflict this type of damage on a crowd of people. McVeigh used commercial fertilizer and fuel, a bomb of that stature near the venue would have killed way more than 50 people. I like to keep mine as a hobby and as protection. Maybe my prescription medicine analogy wasn't the best but it shows how regulation and control can make little difference, if someone wants something they will find a way to get it.

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Guns or not, a person can find several other ways to inflict this type of damage on a crowd of people. McVeigh used commercial fertilizer and fuel, a bomb of that stature near the venue would have killed way more than 50 people. I like to keep mine as a hobby and as protection. Maybe my prescription medicine analogy wasn't the best but it shows how regulation and control can make little difference, if someone wants something they will find a way to get it.

Since the OKC bombing, an effort was made to regulate and more easily track the purchase of large quantities of fertilizer. Also, companies have attempted to make the fertilizer less explosive. Regulation seems to have made a difference; or perhaps semi-automatic weapons are just much more easier to acquire.

Exactly anthonyspare. Next thing you know these libtards will want to ban us from buying fertilizer bombs.