Well, its happened again, unarmed civilians being targeted and killed by radical islamists living comfortably in western civilizations bosom (Munich, Nice, Paris, Brussels).
Lets reserve judgement until all the facts are out.
[Edited on 7/22/2016 by OriginalGoober]
A mass shooting of this type can happen in any free society on Earth, anytime. Risk of freedom and liberty, all that.
Well, its happened again, unarmed civilians being targeted and killed by radical islamists living comfortably in western civilizations bosom (Munich, Nice, Paris, Brussels).
Lets reserve judgement until all the facts are out.
[Edited on 7/22/2016 by OriginalGoober]
No, you pretty much summed it up correctly. Ignore facts and reality and just get them jobs.
Last week's USA Today...and to think I saw a protester somewhere with a refugees welcome sign...extremists and terrorists ARE among the refugees!
Refugees in Europe say they fear terrorists are among them
Gilgamesh Nabeel and Jabeen Bhatti, Special for USA TODAY 4:48 p.m. EDT July 14, 2016
636040151884753268-2.jpg(Photo: Jamal Jabur)
BERLIN — Saif Ali grew nervous when he met his six Syrian bunkmates in a Munich refugee camp after finally making it to Germany late last year.
“They were strong supporters of the Nusra Front,” said the Iraqi refugee, referring to the al-Qaeda-affiliated terrorist group fighting in the Syrian conflict. “I was praying five times a day, to hide my beliefs from them. They did not force me to, but I did not feel secure.”
Ali, 21, is an atheist and said his lack of religion was one reason he fled Iraq. He worried that if his bunkmates knew, they would consider him an apostate and beat him up — or worse.
It's a common story in Europe these days. Many refugees have detailed experiences similar to Ali’s, encountering extremists among the estimated 1 million migrants who made the journey into Europe from the Middle East last year.
After the Islamic State’s attacks in Paris in November and in Brussels in March, European concerns that terrorists could be arriving as refugees have taken on new importance, especially as more migrants arrive. Similar concerns are echoed in the United States, notably by Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.
A refugee walks near a temporary camp in Stuttgart,A refugee walks near a temporary camp in Stuttgart, Germany. (Photo: Jamal Jabur)
A survey by the Washington-based Pew Research Center released this week found about half to three-quarters of Europeans, depending on the country, said the wave of refugees raises the risk of terrorist attacks in their countries. Respondents said they fear the newcomers — even as some refugees say the same thing.
“I see many extremists,” said Bader Khaishah, 28, a Syrian refugee at a Munich refugee camp. “I cannot be certain, but they have strong tendencies (toward militancy). I can feel this from the extremist tunes on their mobile phones, their injuries and their reaction when discussing the incidents in our region.”
Frontex, the European Union's border control agency, said the Paris terrorist attacks that killed 130 people demonstrated that terrorists can mingle among the flow of migrants into Europe. "Two of the terrorists involved in the attacks had previously irregularly entered through Leros (a Greek island) and had been registered by the Greek authorities,” Frontex said in its 2016 risk analysis.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel said this week that militant groups are sneaking people into Europe among the refugees. "The refugee wave (last year) was used by some to smuggle in terrorists," she said.
Germany said it is investigating about 40 cases of suspected radicals posing as refugees. In June, German police arrested three Syrian men on allegations of planning a terrorist attack in Dusseldorf for the Islamic State. A fourth man allegedly linked to the plot is in custody in France.
A residence building for refugees in Stuttgart.A residence building for refugees in Stuttgart. (Photo: Photo courtesy of Jamal Jabur)
Jamal Jabur, 32, an Iraqi refugee in Esslingen, Germany, said he met three men who claimed they previously fought for the Islamic State. Two of the men, from Ramadi, Iraq, were forced into the militant group, he said. But a third, from the Iraqi city of Mosul, believed in the Islamic State’s cause and often chastised anyone who didn’t follow the group’s harsh interpretation of Islam.
“The man from Mosul is a dangerous person,” Jabur said. “Once, the man from Ramadi and I talked with a German woman, and the Mosul member said this is wrong, and that prophet Mohammed disapproves.”
Jabur said he never met anyone affiliated with the Islamic State, also known is ISIS or ISIL, when he lived in Baghdad from 2003 until 2015.
"Within a few days in the refugees' camp in Germany, I met three former ISIS members," he said, shaking his head. “There are lots of them. Many are escaping the service with ISIS, but they seem to be dangerous. I felt afraid to tell the camp administration about them.”
Some extremists see their mission as converting Christians into Muslims, Ali said about a fighter from the Nusra Front militant group who was forced out of Syria after the Islamic State invaded his town.
“One of this man’s goals after getting the residence (permit) was to spread Islam. He said, 'Europe will become Muslim, we will Islamicize (them),'” Ali said.
Others who share that goal believe they are being helpful, Ali added.
"They are happy with the German attitude of welcoming other cultures and see it a suitable environment to spread Islam," he said. "They say, 'Germans are good, and we should save them.'"
No one knows who the shooter is yet. It could be ISIS or as an expert I just saw on TV said it could be a right wing extremist interested in inflaming hatred against refugees.
Might be a good idea to put a lid on the propaganda boys until there is more real news.
No one knows who the shooter is yet. It could be ISIS or as an expert I just saw on TV said it could be a right wing extremist interested in inflaming hatred against refugees.
Might be a good idea to put a lid on the propaganda boys until there is more real news.
No, we have to blame Obama.
Really, I agree with you, but this has all of the signs of ISIS.
They are like Borgs.
No one knows who the shooter is yet. It could be ISIS or as an expert I just saw on TV said it could be a right wing extremist interested in inflaming hatred against refugees.
Might be a good idea to put a lid on the propaganda boys until there is more real news.
No, we have to blame Obama.
Really, I agree with you, but this has all of the signs of ISIS.
It could be but there are some indicators that it may not be.
ISIS terrorists fight to the end and do not flee. Munich is a very German city and it would be difficult for non Aryans carrying long guns to simply blend in.
But ISIS is adaptable so who really knows.
The ultimate danger for the population is that the police spend all their time chasing culprits created by propagandists and then the real perps get away to kill again.
I see Hillary went forward with her VP pick and did not postpone out of respect for victims.
I see Hillary went forward with her VP pick and did not postpone out of respect for victims.
After Trump said he would wait, he went ahead and named Pence on the same day. I would call that a wash.
Current reports say it doesn't look like he had any terrorist connections -- just another self-pitying mad-at-the-world wacko -- obsessed with mass killings, falling as it did on the anniversary of the Norway massacre of some years ago
the same type as the person, in a recent incident that went largely unreported, who had no police record, burst into a Florida hospital's ER -- & w/no known connection to anyone inside, shot and killed a doctor and patient
[Edited on 7/23/2016 by Stephen]
Current reports say it doesn't look like he had any terrorist connections -- just another self-pitying mad-at-the-world wacko -- obsessed with mass killings, falling as it did on the anniversary of the Norway massacre of some years ago
the same type as the person, in a recent incident that went largely unreported, who had no police record, burst into a Florida hospital's ER -- & w/no known connection to anyone inside, shot and killed a doctor and patient
[Edited on 7/23/2016 by Stephen]
Obama's fault.
1. Race - Iranian decent
2. Religion- muslim
3. Reason- shouted allah akbar while squeezing the trigger
Result-random safe space violence?
I have a hard time believing he was not another shooter following the jeehad playbook
[Edited on 7/23/2016 by OriginalGoober]
1. Race - Iranian decent
2. Religion- muslim
3. Reason- shouted allah akbar while squeezing the triggerResult-random safe space violence?
I have a hard time believing he was not another shooter following the jeehad playbook
[Edited on 7/23/2016 by OriginalGoober]
Wrong.
The premise of this thread is complete bullsh!t. It would be just as accurate to say that Ted Bundy was an immigrant with radical Islamic ties.
Read the CNN report of the Muslim eye witness. Another lone isis wanna be spawned in the middle east.
I see Hillary went forward with her VP pick and did not postpone out of respect for victims.
LOL, you are so stupid.
Read the CNN report of the Muslim eye witness. Another lone isis wanna be spawned in the middle east.
Still WRONG. Maybe try keeping up with a story. It is not that hard.
Well, its happened again, unarmed civilians being targeted and killed by radical islamists living comfortably in western civilizations bosom (Munich, Nice, Paris, Brussels.
This is wrong. This heinous act was perpetrated by someone who was born and raised in Munich acting lane and has nothing to do with Islamic extremism. You might want to change the title of this thread.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/23/europe/germany-munich-shooting/index.html
[Edited on 7/23/2016 by gondicar]
Still waiting for The Goober to admit that this shooting had nothing to do with Islamic extremist immigrants.
Still waiting for The Goober to admit that this shooting had nothing to do with Islamic extremist immigrants.
Don't hold your breath, he'd rather double down.
Still waiting for The Goober to admit that this shooting had nothing to do with Islamic extremist immigrants.
Don't hold your breath, he'd rather double down.
Place your bets. Will it be an anti-Hillary or anti-Obama cartoon? 😛
Explosion at a music festival in germany tonite. It confirmed it was someone deliberately setting off an explosive device.
Goober, ever try Match.com?
Explosion at a music festival in germany tonite. It confirmed it was someone deliberately setting off an explosive device.
The Goober is brilliant. He starts a thread about a refugee terror act 2 days before it occurs. Great timing too, since The Goober was just beginning to get called out for this stupid thread. I guess this was a good terrorist because not only did he make The Goober look prophetic, he only killed himself.
Still waiting for The Goober to admit that this shooting had nothing to do with Islamic extremist immigrants.
...since that would be such a rare occurrence.
Still waiting for The Goober to admit that this shooting had nothing to do with Islamic extremist immigrants.
...since that would be such a rare occurrence.
No, since he started a thread claiming that it did when it clearly did not. But he's unable to admit that. In another thread you and I just agreed that it is better to admit mistakes in a political campaign. That applies to internet forums as well. At least if one wants to maintain any credibility. Of course, if one simply wants to provoke then I suppose intellectual honesty goes out the window.
A mass shooting of this type can happen in any free society on Earth, anytime. Risk of freedom and liberty, all that.
Latest mind-numbing example, 2 dead, 20 injured in shooting spree this morning at Fla. club for teens
so round it goes again -- were there or were there not terrorist cells/Islamic extremist connections -- & in the meantime, shooting sprees have spiraled out of control to the point they're hardly even news anymore
A mass shooting of this type can happen in any free society on Earth, anytime. Risk of freedom and liberty, all that.
Latest mind-numbing example, 2 dead, 20 injured in shooting spree this morning at Fla. club for teens
so round it goes again -- were there or were there not terrorist cells/Islamic extremist connections -- & in the meantime, shooting sprees have spiraled out of control to the point they're hardly even news anymore
It was not immediately clear what triggered the violence, but Fort Myers police Capt. Jim Mulligan said the shooting was not an act of terror. Police detained three people and said the area around Club Blu had been deemed safe, Mulligan said.
does it really matter if it is Islamic terrorism or a deranged mass shooter? Is there really a difference?
