its terrible what is happening there but one thing I haven't heard them talk about is surface contamination. I'm guessing that the city used the same water to water their parks and homeowners too. what about the fire department? water goes everywhere when putting out fires. is it probable that large areas of the city have ground contamination? that people should not use the city parks?
something to think about.
Lead is not easily absorbed thru the skin so lead contamination is primarily due from ingestion. Playing on grass fields should not increase lead exposure . It is also a naturally occurring substance that is found in small quantities in everything. I would not grow a garden and water with flint water. Hypothetically speaking of fires, if an old building with lead paint goes up in flames a portion of the lead can get vaporized and then released into the atmosphere and wind up as toxic lead dust .
sad that there is money available to spend 50 million on a gas station in Iraq but no money to rebuild an American citys water infrastructure.
are you sure?
http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/prevguid/p0000015/p0000015.asp
http://www.epa.gov/lead/learn-about-lead
http://www.epa.gov/lead/protect-your-family#soil
[Edited on 1/19/2016 by LeglizHemp]
[Edited on 1/19/2016 by LeglizHemp]
Lead is not easily absorbed thru the skin so lead contamination is primarily due from ingestion. Playing on grass fields should not increase lead exposure . It is also a naturally occurring substance that is found in small quantities in everything. I would not grow a garden and water with flint water. Hypothetically speaking of fires, if an old building with lead paint goes up in flames a portion of the lead can get vaporized and then released into the atmosphere and wind up as toxic lead dust .
sad that there is money available to spend 50 million on a gas station in Iraq but no money to rebuild an American citys water infrastructure.
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Exactly right.
Well, let’s get the EPA in there who apparently was aware of a problem but didn’t mention it to anyone. How about the CDC? They could send their director to the TV cameras again to make statements. The CDC is too incompetent to do anything else.
The liberals have turned this into a political issue. Flint, MI is poor, has a large black population and is run by democrats. Therefore it is all because of the Republican, racist State Governor. Yea, right.
They won’t of course mention that Detroit, the ghetto run by democrats, has already cost the state billions.
really? ok.
are you sure?
http://wonder.cdc.gov/wonder/prevguid/p0000015/p0000015.asp
http://www.epa.gov/lead/learn-about-lead
http://www.epa.gov/lead/protect-your-family#soil
[Edited on 1/19/2016 by LeglizHemp]
[Edited on 1/19/2016 by LeglizHemp]
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The EPA fixes nothing and often cause the problems mostly due with inaction or coming in late.
I have worked with the CDC for years. Completely useless. Remember the bang-up job they did with the Ebola outbreak? Their Director was such a screw-up even Obama knew to bench him.
The best sources for lead poisoning and related issues are big city public health departments.
They have both the experience and actually care about the people.
ok. i can't argue, converse or understand people who don't trust science. i suppose i understand the distrust of gov't organisations, but in this case i must disagree with that starting point for a discussion of lead poisoning.
ok. i can't argue, converse or understand people who don't trust science. i suppose i understand the distrust of gov't organisations, but in this case i must disagree with that starting point for a discussion of lead poisoning.
No matter what gets posted, our small minded troll will make it political. If you want to talk science, this isn't a place where that is possible.
ok. i can't argue, converse or understand people who don't trust science. i suppose i understand the distrust of gov't organisations, but in this case i must disagree with that starting point for a discussion of lead poisoning.
No matter what gets posted, our small minded troll will make it political. If you want to talk science, this isn't a place where that is possible.
mule knows i won't go there.
ok. i can't argue, converse or understand people who don't trust science. i suppose i understand the distrust of gov't organisations, but in this case i must disagree with that starting point for a discussion of lead poisoning.
No matter what gets posted, our small minded troll will make it political. If you want to talk science, this isn't a place where that is possible.
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Obama made it political dumba$$ when he flew the democrat mayor of Flint to the White House, ran to the TV cameras and appointed a "water crisis czar". Then he attacked the Republican State Governor.
Obama made it political just like he tried to do with the Ebola outbreak until even the media laughed at him.
Of course you would know this if you were informed.
ok. i can't argue, converse or understand people who don't trust science. i suppose i understand the distrust of gov't organisations, but in this case i must disagree with that starting point for a discussion of lead poisoning.
No matter what gets posted, our small minded troll will make it political. If you want to talk science, this isn't a place where that is possible.
mule knows i won't go there.
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Nationally this is one of the best sources:
doesn't this rebute what you said?
Lead poisoning remains a serious environmental health threat for children in the United States, despite the fact that it is completely preventable. For 30 years, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has emphasized the need for local jurisdictions to adopt lead poisoning prevention strategies that eliminate lead hazards in a home before a child is exposed. However, even though substantial progress has been made through federal and state efforts to reduce risk of lead exposure, challenges, largely at the local level, persist, and become greater without strong and savvy leadership.
What one finds at the local level is not always ideal. First, most jurisdictions lack a proactive approach to dealing with the problem and public health officials must wait until a child has high lead levels before any intervention can take place. Second, because lead poisoning is a multi-agency issue involving health, housing and the environment, poor inter-agency coordination negatively affects results. And finally, where interactions between government officials and advocates, who are also working to protect the public, are uncooperative, it can be challenging to develop comprehensive laws and regulations that protect residents and provide them with recourse at the local government level.
I got that from site you posted
[Edited on 1/20/2016 by LeglizHemp]
Washington, D.C.: A National Model for Lead Poisoning Prevention and Healthy Housing
Written by Angela Wyan and Ralph Scott - September 2011
[Edited on 1/20/2016 by LeglizHemp]
ok. i can't argue, converse or understand people who don't trust science. i suppose i understand the distrust of gov't organisations, but in this case i must disagree with that starting point for a discussion of lead poisoning.
No matter what gets posted, our small minded troll will make it political. If you want to talk science, this isn't a place where that is possible.
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Obama made it political dumba$$ when he flew the democrat mayor of Flint to the White House, ran to the TV cameras and appointed a "water crisis czar". Then he attacked the Republican State Governor.
Obama made it political just like he tried to do with the Ebola outbreak until even the media laughed at him.Of course you would know this if you were informed.
I believe that you are uninformed if you blame the democrats.
http://q13fox.com/2016/01/18/michigan-governor-on-flint-water-crisis-its-a-disaster/
In April 2014, the state decided to temporarily switch Flint’s water source from Lake Huron to the Flint River as a cost-saving measure until a new supply line to Lake Huron was ready. The river had a reputation for nastiness, and after the April 2014 switch, residents complained their water looked, smelled and tasted funny.
Virginia Tech researchers found the water was highly corrosive. A class-action lawsuit alleges the state Department of Environmental Quality didn’t treat the water for corrosion, in accordance with federal law, and because so many service lines to Flint are made of lead, the noxious element leached into the water of the city’s homes.
The city switched back to the Lake Huron water supply in October, but the damage was already done to the lead pipes. The state is now handing out filters and bottled water with the hlep of the National Guard.
“The checks and balances that theoretically could have been there didn’t work. This is a mess. I mean, I feel terrible about all this happening. And that’s why I’m working hard to do everything I can to repair the damage and then actually work to strengthen Flint and the citizens,” Snyder told the National Journal.
This belongs to the state, not the city.
dude....i try to respect your opinion. but man.....you blew that one.
dude....i try to respect your opinion. but man.....you blew that one.
What do you mean?
dude....i try to respect your opinion. but man.....you blew that one.
What do you mean?
lol not you, my friend muleman
dude....i try to respect your opinion. but man.....you blew that one.
What do you mean?
lol not you, my friend muleman
OK 
President Obama will be in Detroit for an auto show appearance. Will he swing by Flint, Mich or will he let down his constituents again, until he calls on them in November.
The State Governor has taken responsibility, apologized and promised to fix the problem.
Meanwhile the Democrats are blaming the Republican Governor. However, the attacks on Snyder omit any mention of former Democratic Flint Mayor Dayne Walling or the federal Environmental Protection Agency who knew of the problems with the water and failed to act.
The EPA’s top Midwest official told The Detroit News the agency knew about the lack of corrosion control in the water supply as early as April, after an EPA official identified problems with the drinking water, but did not make the information public.
The paper also cited email exchanges between EPA officials and Walling showing what it described as a “lack of urgency” over the matter and a greater focus on procedure rather than public safety. Walling and other officials repeatedly told residents the water was safe but blamed state and federal agencies for the problems.
Walling was voted out in November, with the water issue cited as a reason for his loss.
Neither Walling nor the EPA’s role in the crisis appeared in any criticisms from either Clinton or Sanders.
The Democrats are making this issue political while the Republicans are fixing the problem.
The State Governor has taken responsibility, apologized and promised to fix the problem.
Meanwhile the Democrats are blaming the Republican Governor. However, the attacks on Snyder omit any mention of former Democratic Flint Mayor Dayne Walling or the federal Environmental Protection Agency who knew of the problems with the water and failed to act.
The EPA’s top Midwest official told The Detroit News the agency knew about the lack of corrosion control in the water supply as early as April, after an EPA official identified problems with the drinking water, but did not make the information public.
The paper also cited email exchanges between EPA officials and Walling showing what it described as a “lack of urgency” over the matter and a greater focus on procedure rather than public safety. Walling and other officials repeatedly told residents the water was safe but blamed state and federal agencies for the problems.
Walling was voted out in November, with the water issue cited as a reason for his loss.
Neither Walling nor the EPA’s role in the crisis appeared in any criticisms from either Clinton or Sanders.
The Democrats are making this issue political while the Republicans are fixing the problem.
Snyder has been governor since 2011. The state made the decision to change the water in 2014 without asking the city of Flint. This is on the state and the governor, not the city.
The governor apologized. I guess now everything is OK. Carry on and stop complaining, Flint. Your governor apologized.
The State Governor has taken responsibility, apologized and promised to fix the problem.
Meanwhile the Democrats are blaming the Republican Governor. However, the attacks on Snyder omit any mention of former Democratic Flint Mayor Dayne Walling or the federal Environmental Protection Agency who knew of the problems with the water and failed to act.
The EPA’s top Midwest official told The Detroit News the agency knew about the lack of corrosion control in the water supply as early as April, after an EPA official identified problems with the drinking water, but did not make the information public.
The paper also cited email exchanges between EPA officials and Walling showing what it described as a “lack of urgency” over the matter and a greater focus on procedure rather than public safety. Walling and other officials repeatedly told residents the water was safe but blamed state and federal agencies for the problems.
Walling was voted out in November, with the water issue cited as a reason for his loss.
Neither Walling nor the EPA’s role in the crisis appeared in any criticisms from either Clinton or Sanders.
The Democrats are making this issue political while the Republicans are fixing the problem.
Snyder has been governor since 2011. The state made the decision to change the water in 2014 without asking the city of Flint. This is on the state and the governor, not the city.
The governor apologized. I guess now everything is OK. Carry on and stop complaining, Flint. Your governor apologized.
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Exactly right, The Governor apologized. Something you will never hear from a democrat.
A state agency made the decision and when the problem was discovered the State kicked him to the curb.
Of course we hear nothing from the EPA who was aware of the problem and decided to hide the facts from the people. Part of that “we got their votes, screw ‘em now” mantra so much a part of Obama’s regime.
Funny, all I hear is Obama blah blah blah...........
Exactly right, The Governor apologized. Something you will never hear from a democrat.
Yet another lie from our resident Liar in Chief.
One recent example...
Obama apologizes to Doctors Without Borders after deadly Afghanistan airstrike
By Kristen Holmes, CNN White House Producer
Updated 10:14 AM ET, Thu October 8, 2015
Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama called and apologized to the head of Doctors Without Borders, whose staff and patients were killed and injured during a bombing Saturday in Kunduz, Afghanistan, the White House said Wednesday.
The U.S. has characterized its airstrike Saturday, which killed 12 members of the Doctors Without Borders staff as well as 10 patients, as a mistake.
Obama pledged full cooperation with the joint investigations being conducted with NATO and the Afghan government in the morning conversation with Doctor's Without Borders International President Joanne Liu.
Full article:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/obama-calls-doctors-without-borders-president-apologizes/
[Edited on 1/20/2016 by gondicar]
Exactly right, The Governor apologized. Something you will never hear from a democrat.
Funny, for seven years now all we hear from the clownservatives is how Obama apologizes for all US actions everywhere in the world, remember the "Apology Tour"???
Which is it?
They NEVER apologize or that's all Obama does?
Hypocritical muledouche troll.
The State Governor has taken responsibility, apologized and promised to fix the problem.
Meanwhile the Democrats are blaming the Republican Governor. However, the attacks on Snyder omit any mention of former Democratic Flint Mayor Dayne Walling or the federal Environmental Protection Agency who knew of the problems with the water and failed to act.
The EPA’s top Midwest official told The Detroit News the agency knew about the lack of corrosion control in the water supply as early as April, after an EPA official identified problems with the drinking water, but did not make the information public.
The paper also cited email exchanges between EPA officials and Walling showing what it described as a “lack of urgency” over the matter and a greater focus on procedure rather than public safety. Walling and other officials repeatedly told residents the water was safe but blamed state and federal agencies for the problems.
Walling was voted out in November, with the water issue cited as a reason for his loss.
Neither Walling nor the EPA’s role in the crisis appeared in any criticisms from either Clinton or Sanders.
The Democrats are making this issue political while the Republicans are fixing the problem.
Snyder has been governor since 2011. The state made the decision to change the water in 2014 without asking the city of Flint. This is on the state and the governor, not the city.
The governor apologized. I guess now everything is OK. Carry on and stop complaining, Flint. Your governor apologized.
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Exactly right, The Governor apologized. Something you will never hear from a democrat.
A state agency made the decision and when the problem was discovered the State kicked him to the curb.
Of course we hear nothing from the EPA who was aware of the problem and decided to hide the facts from the people. Part of that “we got their votes, screw ‘em now” mantra so much a part of Obama’s regime.
the state agency reports to the governor. The governor signed off on the switch. The city and state were both aware that high levels of lead existed in the river. The governor gave approval anyway because the change was temporary.
But he apologized. Tell me, mule, how does that help the children who now have high levels of lead in them?
Democrats should be punished for everything but as long as a republican apologizes for poisoning a city it is ok.
You aren't too disingenuous, are you?
Nice picture, Goob, but this thread has nothing to do with Obama or Chevrolet.
The State Governor has taken responsibility, apologized and promised to fix the problem.
Meanwhile the Democrats are blaming the Republican Governor. However, the attacks on Snyder omit any mention of former Democratic Flint Mayor Dayne Walling or the federal Environmental Protection Agency who knew of the problems with the water and failed to act.
The EPA’s top Midwest official told The Detroit News the agency knew about the lack of corrosion control in the water supply as early as April, after an EPA official identified problems with the drinking water, but did not make the information public.
The paper also cited email exchanges between EPA officials and Walling showing what it described as a “lack of urgency” over the matter and a greater focus on procedure rather than public safety. Walling and other officials repeatedly told residents the water was safe but blamed state and federal agencies for the problems.
Walling was voted out in November, with the water issue cited as a reason for his loss.
Neither Walling nor the EPA’s role in the crisis appeared in any criticisms from either Clinton or Sanders.
The Democrats are making this issue political while the Republicans are fixing the problem.
Snyder has been governor since 2011. The state made the decision to change the water in 2014 without asking the city of Flint. This is on the state and the governor, not the city.
The governor apologized. I guess now everything is OK. Carry on and stop complaining, Flint. Your governor apologized.
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Exactly right, The Governor apologized. Something you will never hear from a democrat.
A state agency made the decision and when the problem was discovered the State kicked him to the curb.
Of course we hear nothing from the EPA who was aware of the problem and decided to hide the facts from the people. Part of that “we got their votes, screw ‘em now” mantra so much a part of Obama’s regime.
the state agency reports to the governor. The governor signed off on the switch. The city and state were both aware that high levels of lead existed in the river. The governor gave approval anyway because the change was temporary.
But he apologized. Tell me, mule, how does that help the children who now have high levels of lead in them?
Democrats should be punished for everything but as long as a republican apologizes for poisoning a city it is ok.
You aren't too disingenuous, are you?
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You really are an idiot
“high levels of lead existed in the river”
- Wrong. There were corrosive materials in the river that degraded the pipes which released the lead.
“The governor gave approval anyway because the change was temporary”
- Wrong. The change was approved as a cost cutting measure. The State of Michigan is in serious financial difficulty because of Detroit which was run into the ground by democrats.
- Speaking of Detroit, remember that they screwed up their water so bad that they had to buy water from Canada.
The EPA was aware of the problem and chose not to disclose the public health hazard. Were they afraid of another Nevada mine leak that the EPA caused?
The Republican Governor took responsibility and will fix the problem. Something the democrats will never do.
You aren't too bright, are you?
Susan Hedman, Administrator for EPA's Region 5 Office in Chicago has resigned in the light of The EPAs failure to act on the Flint MI water disaster citing the political agenda of her agency.
Next…
I would place the blame on the local water authority. The lead pipes should have been replaced many years ago, or at least have had liners placed in them.
