Last I recall, you live in the South, so good luck. That kind of hatred directed towards you is quite a struggle and cross to bear. Hope it works out.
So far, so good. I feel pretty strong that the haters and naysayers would be surprised what it's really like down here if they ever saw if for themselves.
Well, whattayagonnado? Lotsa haters hatin' on all kinda things these days.
Hopefully, come to the realization that all States and regions of the country have strengths and drawbacks and judgments are no longer made based on Red or Blue voting patterns.
Serious question. Why do southerners think that they know everything about the country and the people, but nobody else knows what it is like to live in the south?
I'm a transplant to Alabama so I feel I can make an objective judgment as an outsider would. If I would have believed the stereotypes coming in I would have thought I'd be surrounded by stupid, poor people and blatant racism all around. Actually I found the exact opposite to be true. In spades.
I'm a Southerner, but never claimed to know everything about the rest of the country. Have no idea where you're coming from on that.
I get that from posts by you and some others. And also from having traveled in the south. Some of that may come from being defensive about stereotyping. I get that. But southerners do their own stereotyping of people in other parts of the country.
If you want to see a real example of someone who stereotypes people constantly, read Muleman's posts. I believe he has saud that he is originally from Georgia.
This whole escapade when boiled down has little or nothing to do with slavery, racism, flags, what have you. That's all just static. This is ALL about ostracizing a region of the country that doesn't vote for Democrats. Pure and simple, and that's all it is. If the South was made up of blue states all you would hear is crickets.
WOW, just WOW Alloak. With all due respect you used to be a reasonable person to debate with but you are posting more and more like Mule's incoherent rants every day. Turning every thread into a blue vs. red pissing match, insulting the liberals instead of debating the issue, ignoring posts that prove you wrong. etc. etc.
I think he finally stepped off...
God, more mental health evaluations? Is this as good as you can do? Constantly try to convince people you don't agree with that there's something wrong with them, and/or not even worthy of having an opinion. Dismiss them as crazy in lieu of discussion. In fact, curiously similar to the phenomenon at the top of this post that you deny exists.
I appreciate the mental health appraisal, but don't quit your day job.
This whole escapade when boiled down has little or nothing to do with slavery, racism, flags, what have you. That's all just static. This is ALL about ostracizing a region of the country that doesn't vote for Democrats. Pure and simple, and that's all it is. If the South was made up of blue states all you would hear is crickets.
WOW, just WOW Alloak. With all due respect you used to be a reasonable person to debate with but you are posting more and more like Mule's incoherent rants every day. Turning every thread into a blue vs. red pissing match, insulting the liberals instead of debating the issue, ignoring posts that prove you wrong. etc. etc.
I think he finally stepped off...
God, more mental health evaluations? Is this as good as you can do? Constantly try to convince people you don't agree with that there's something wrong with them, and/or not even worthy of having an opinion. Dismiss them as crazy in lieu of discussion. In fact, curiously similar to the phenomenon at the top of this post that you deny exists.
I appreciate the mental health appraisal, but don't quit your day job.
Do you really think this is a Left Wing conspiracy to hold the Southern man down because they vote GOP and not because the Stars and Bars are a symbol of the slavery to some which people have been objecting to for decades and now is in the news again due to the racially motivated church shooting? Really?
Actually forget I mentioned Mule as your rant sounds more like one of Gina's Illuminati conspiracy theories. While I don't agree with her claims at least she provides us with some interesting links to read support her theories. Do you have any proof as to what you claim or are you just having a bad day and needed to vent on Liberals once again for no apparent reason?
Just trying to understand what is up with you lately because your posts seem more targeted against liberals in general and less topic related than in the past. I expect this from Mule, as I can't remember reading a post when he wasn't insulting either Obama or liberals but that never seemed to be you M.O.
Back on topic interesting article on RS online written by a flag scholar, LOL I never new they existed, for all my fellow lefty's to enjoy 😛
'It's Come Back to Haunt Them': Flag Historian on the Confederate Flag
An expert weighs in on the racist symbol, citing "progress" in America's reaction after Charleston
By Simon Vozick-Levinson June 25, 2015
The murder of nine black churchgoers in Charleston, South Carolina, by a white supremacist last week has touched off a national conversation about the Confederate flag. Widely considered to be a symbol of hate, the flag can be seen in photos of confessed shooter Dylann Roof and flying near several government buildings in the South. In the wake of the Charleston massacre, the Republican governors of South Carolina and Alabama have called for the removal of the Confederate flags from their statehouse grounds (Alabama's flags were removed Wednesday), and retailers including Walmart, Amazon, Sears and eBay have banned the sale of Confederate flag merchandise.
The Confederate flag
Charleston's History of Hellish Violence »
For flag scholar John M. Hartvigsen, the strong feelings stirred up by this issue make sense. "Flags are, by their nature, very emotionally charged," he tells Rolling Stone. "And emotions are running high on this right now."
Hartvigsen, who lives in Utah, is president of the North American Vexillological Association – vexillology being the scholarly study of flags – and he can't help pointing out that the banner at the center of today's news isn't even a proper Confederate flag. "I study flags, so I'm a nitpicker," Hartvigsen says. In fact, he notes, the primary flag used by the Confederacy was the so-called "Stars and Bars," which resembles an American flag with fewer stripes – not the emblem widely circulated by white supremacists and Southern nostalgists in later years. "What we're calling the Confederate flag, the rectangular one, really wasn't flown during the Civil War except on a few naval vessels," he says. "It was picked up by some veterans' groups after the war, and then used by the Ku Klux Klan."
In 1961, the South Carolina legislature gave that ersatz rectangular flag – the one the Klan favored – a place on the state capitol's dome, in an open act of disrespect masked as a gesture to commemorate the centennial of the Civil War. It wasn't until nearly 40 years later, in 2000, that South Carolina moved to take that flag down and put up the square version that currently features in a war memorial near the statehouse. That square flag is, in fact, an authentic battle flag used by several Confederate regiments during the Civil War. But once again, Hartvigsen has a bone to pick with the uninformed. "As a vexillologist, I'd say the battle flag doesn't belong there," says Hartvigsen. "It was never flown on a stationary pole. It was carried into battle by soldiers."
"So that's a little strange," he adds. "And now it's come back to haunt them."
Hartvigsen draws a contrast between the tangled history of Confederate imagery in this country and the decisive way Germans rejected the Nazi flag after 1945. "[World War II] changed the attitude in Germany towards flags," he says. "The flag of the Third Reich became illegal to display. And even in recent times, they just don't use flags the same way we do in the United States – even the current flag of the Republic of Germany."
For all the pain stirred up by the flag this month, Hartvigsen sees some hopeful signs in the fact that these issues are being openly discussed. "Look at the difference in how we're reacting to this now, rather than the way it was during the days of the struggle over civil rights," he says. "Back then, you had a church bombed and four black little girls were killed – and white Southerners were not that upset about it. Today, look at how we've come together. That's progress."
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/its-come-back-to-haunt-them-flag-historian-on-the-confederate-flag-20150625#ixzz3e6VER6xH
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A white supremist admits to murdering 9 black people because he hates them, and a portion of our population believes in getting rid of the racist symbol, and you believe it's a political strategy to attack red states? It's an interesting take, completely based on perspective, because as a PA resident, I know plenty of folks in the suburbs who waive it proudly. All this "static" is going on in the blue states too, where the retailers do business. It's a statement being directed at the entire nation, wherever they live.
The only thing that changed in the South after the Civil War was they now had to pay for labor.....other than that what changed?....Oh yeah...it affected the income of a lot of people who made their money owning other people and using that free labor to create a huge wealth of cash.
What else changed??? What else was given up as a part of the Southern life style other than the immoral behavior of owning another human
What is it you could no longer do in the South that you couldn't do before the Civil War except free human labor. What would the South change if it "Rose" up again....to again have free human labor because I cannot see what else changed
You could and still can do anything else you want other than own a human.
New slavery has two chief characteristics—it’s cheap and it’s disposable. Slaves today are cheaper than ever. In 1850, an average slave in the American South cost the equivalent of $40,000 in today’s money. Today a slave costs about $90 on average worldwide. (Source: Disposable People: New Slavery in the Global Economy. See all Free the Slaves books.)
This whole escapade when boiled down has little or nothing to do with slavery, racism, flags, what have you. That's all just static. This is ALL about ostracizing a region of the country that doesn't vote for Democrats. Pure and simple, and that's all it is. If the South was made up of blue states all you would hear is crickets.
WOW, just WOW Alloak. With all due respect you used to be a reasonable person to debate with but you are posting more and more like Mule's incoherent rants every day. Turning every thread into a blue vs. red pissing match, insulting the liberals instead of debating the issue, ignoring posts that prove you wrong. etc. etc.
I think he finally stepped off...
God, more mental health evaluations? Is this as good as you can do? Constantly try to convince people you don't agree with that there's something wrong with them, and/or not even worthy of having an opinion. Dismiss them as crazy in lieu of discussion. In fact, curiously similar to the phenomenon at the top of this post that you deny exists.
I appreciate the mental health appraisal, but don't quit your day job.
Do you really think this is a Left Wing conspiracy to hold the Southern man down because they vote GOP and not because the Stars and Bars are a symbol of the slavery to some which people have been objecting to for decades and now is in the news again due to the racially motivated church shooting? Really?
Actually forget I mentioned Mule as your rant sounds more like one of Gina's Illuminati conspiracy theories. While I don't agree with her claims at least she provides us with some interesting links to read support her theories. Do you have any proof as to what you claim or are you just having a bad day and needed to vent on Liberals once again for no apparent reason?
Just trying to understand what is up with you lately because your posts seem more targeted against liberals in general and less topic related than in the past. I expect this from Mule, as I can't remember reading a post when he wasn't insulting either Obama or liberals but that never seemed to be you M.O.
I've followed politics pretty closely for a while, as most everyone on this board probably has. It would be hard not to notice an ever-popular tactic used against non-Liberals. It's not enough just to disagree on policy positions and opinions -- No, the opposition is mentally unstable, extreme, racist, out of their element, ignorant, stupid, or simply a bad person in general. It's highly prevalent on this board.
I believe that many on the Left are no longer interested in debate, compromise, discussion, understanding, exchange of ideas, or any similar adjective that you choose. I think the objective is to simply dismiss opposition out of hand and just try to clear the playing field once and for all. It seems to be getting worse as time goes on. A favorite target is the South.
Now I don't believe it's a textbook conspiracy, organized with a leadership structure or someone calling the shots, more a growing and widespread case of follow the follower.
Opinion of course, but an opinion based on close observation and real world examples. Hell, you see it on this site daily. You can't insult and demean the opposition into submission. You can try, and it might work in some cases, but does more harm than good in general IMO.
This South Carolina story is a made to order event that really gets the smear machine rolling. A chance to take a few shots at the South, keep racism in the forefront, attach the GOP to racism, stir up racial division, keep slavery and Jim Crow in the conversation, and so forth.
The predicted response to this will be "both sides do it" and I'm sure there are examples when Bush was President. However, it seems to have gotten much worse the last several years. Much worse.
Good work Univision. Reputable.
Seriously? Isn't one of the GOP debates on that network?
[Edited on 6/26/2015 by alloak41]
Ken Burns' mother is a hamster and his father smells of elderberries.
So the fact that South Carolina's session papers mentions slavery over and over but not states rights as it's reason for session means Ken Burns father smells....interesting conclusion....
[Edited on 6/26/2015 by goldtop]
Isn't it secession?
Isn't it secession?
As my wife says, "you say tomato and I say mater". The meaning is clear.
if these people were white, it'd be an attack against Christians.
oh wait....has anyone mentioned that? 😉
there will be issues with the color of someone's skin from now until the end.
flags? who in the hell cares about a flag? reminds me of the eddy izzard skit.
these folks were my brothers and sisters and many Christians couldn't care any less about your friggin flag.
I'm a transplant to Alabama so I feel I can make an objective judgment as an outsider would. If I would have believed the stereotypes coming in I would have thought I'd be surrounded by stupid, poor people and blatant racism all around. Actually I found the exact opposite to be true. In spades.
I don't find this surprising. Did you find the opposite to be true in whites as well?
I'm a transplant to Alabama so I feel I can make an objective judgment as an outsider would. If I would have believed the stereotypes coming in I would have thought I'd be surrounded by stupid, poor people and blatant racism all around. Actually I found the exact opposite to be true. In spades.
I don't find this surprising. Did you find the opposite to be true in whites as well?
Rimshot!
As a southerner I can attest that the best thing about dating your cousin is that it doesn't take as long to get nekid since neither of you are wearing shoes.
It represents a flag for which people fought to keep a way of life that included free human labor....
Now you can run off about all sorts of other thing it may represent but it represents a way of life that includes slavery...
Free labor? They housed and fed those who worked on the land. I will grant you that the housing accomodations were not up to the level they could have been, and there were probably many task masters who beat ornery workers, but you have to remember back in those times, they did not believe the slaves had the intellect to learn, take care of themselves or do anything else. That was the belief about the functionality and capability of those people. Were they wrong? Look at some of the modern day welfare people and tell me what use they are or how they contribute to anything.
There are lots of symbols that represent The South. You gotta wonder why some pledge their allegiance to the one that supports the evils of slavery. I would object to any legal ban of the symbol, but I applaud the widespread rejection of its entire ideology - which is not "the South". I'm happy to see our nation moving in the right direction socially.
Slavery ended 150 years ago. That wasn't moving in the right direction socially?
But say we got rid of the Confederate flag 150 years ago and kept slavery. Would that have been better?
Possibly, they had work, food, clothing, shelter. What is the situation today? Welfare and a bankrupt country.
This is really all about taking the focus off the guns' role in the death of those people. Once the flag is gone, it will be something else. Eventually it will be guns. Responsible gun owners need to get on board and find effective means to keep guns out of the hands of the unstable.
Take the lead.
Bury your ammo in mason jars, and hide your guns under the shed in your yard, when the govt. comes to take 'em, give them a few and let them go away happy that they got your stash. 
Free labor? They housed and fed those who worked on the land. I will grant you that the housing accomodations were not up to the level they could have been, and there were probably many task masters who beat ornery workers, but you have to remember back in those times, they did not believe the slaves had the intellect to learn, take care of themselves or do anything else. That was the belief about the functionality and capability of those people.
Just had to capture this one, on the off chance that he had a moment of lucidity and realized what an out and out bigot and racist he is and deleted the post. Pretty interesting, he lives in a nation that tolerates his difference, but raves against the right to be such. Complicated disease.
G.I.N.A. - Gay Islamic Nazi Assh*le
It represents a flag for which people fought to keep a way of life that included free human labor....
Now you can run off about all sorts of other thing it may represent but it represents a way of life that includes slavery...
Free labor? They housed and fed those who worked on the land. I will grant you that the housing accomodations were not up to the level they could have been, and there were probably many task masters who beat ornery workers, but you have to remember back in those times, they did not believe the slaves had the intellect to learn, take care of themselves or do anything else. That was the belief about the functionality and capability of those people. Were they wrong? Look at some of the modern day welfare people and tell me what use they are or how they contribute to anything.
This post made me fill ill and dirty. Think I'll go throw up and take a shower. It is sad that anyone in today's world would try to justify slavery.
It represents a flag for which people fought to keep a way of life that included free human labor....
Now you can run off about all sorts of other thing it may represent but it represents a way of life that includes slavery...
Free labor? They housed and fed those who worked on the land. I will grant you that the housing accomodations were not up to the level they could have been, and there were probably many task masters who beat ornery workers, but you have to remember back in those times, they did not believe the slaves had the intellect to learn, take care of themselves or do anything else. That was the belief about the functionality and capability of those people. Were they wrong? Look at some of the modern day welfare people and tell me what use they are or how they contribute to anything.
This post made me fill ill and dirty. Think I'll go throw up and take a shower. It is sad that anyone in today's world would try to justify slavery.
Consider the source. That doesn't dismiss her apparent callousness toward her fellow humans. But I believe we have seen that she revels in the suffering of others. She is just a very sick individual.
Wow.
It represents a flag for which people fought to keep a way of life that included free human labor....
Now you can run off about all sorts of other thing it may represent but it represents a way of life that includes slavery...
Free labor? They housed and fed those who worked on the land. I will grant you that the housing accomodations were not up to the level they could have been, and there were probably many task masters who beat ornery workers, but you have to remember back in those times, they did not believe the slaves had the intellect to learn, take care of themselves or do anything else. That was the belief about the functionality and capability of those people. Were they wrong? Look at some of the modern day welfare people and tell me what use they are or how they contribute to anything.
what happened to you? That's an awful post. geeze gina, really?
You never noticed that he has been posting extreme racist comments for years? As well as sadistic and fascist rants? About time we call him on it and stop encouraging his poison. He is not a harmless crank, he is a seething cesspool of hate and fear.
Free labor? They housed and fed those who worked on the land. I will grant you that the housing accomodations were not up to the level they could have been, and there were probably many task masters who beat ornery workers, but you have to remember back in those times, they did not believe the slaves had the intellect to learn, take care of themselves or do anything else. That was the belief about the functionality and capability of those people.
Just had to capture this one, on the off chance that he had a moment of lucidity and realized what an out and out bigot and racist he is and deleted the post. Pretty interesting, he lives in a nation that tolerates his difference, but raves against the right to be such. Complicated disease.
I'm confused... You mean gina is a dood? All this time and I, well I...
I'm confused... You mean gina is a dood? All this time and I, well I...
You wanted to ask her what she was wearing?
