Did anyone else watch it? I watched it just to see what he had to say about all the controversy surrounding him. I liked his open, honesty, but I still have questions. He explained that he felt like he was a woman in a man's body. Yet he was attracted enough to three women to have married them and fathered children with them.
Is that something homosexual men who can't deal with their homosexuality do?
Is transitioning into a woman an easier way emotionally to be able to have the men that he secretly wanted and still be able to express his effeminate nature?
Could he not have just found a homosexual man who wanted an effeminate woman and been in a happy, satisfying relationship with him without going thru hormones, plastic surgery he said is upcoming, and sexual re-assignment surgery later on (which reconstructs the male sex organ and builds an opening so the person can have sex with a man) ?
http://ai.eecs.umich.edu/people/conway/TS/SRSlink.html
For those who don't know how the procedure is done here is a link. IF you go thru the ENTER box you will see photos of what it looks like, and after that descriptions of how the procedure is done. It seems so extreme to go thru something like that just to be able to try to live as a woman when someone was born a man. There is also the other procedure where they transition a woman into man.
FOR THOSE WHO DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT, BUT WANT TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO, HERE ARE OTHER LINKS.
http://www.livescience.com/39170-how-gender-reassignment-surgery-works-infographic.html
Sex reassignment is also an option for people with a condition known as gender identity disorder, or GID, which causes a person to develop a strong personal identification with the opposite sex. People with GID -- who may be heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual -- often have an interest in altering their genitals and may adopt the dress and mannerisms typically associated with the opposite sex, according to the National Institutes of Health.
No one denies homosexuality exists. People are born being attracted to members of their own sex and then culture and life experiences effect them. Is transsexualism, trying to become the other sex a manifestation to become more acceptable to society when their actual orientation is homosexuality, but culturally it is more acceptable to become the opposite sex?
In Bruce's case, I think it is good that he is being honest with himself, I just wonder would it be possible for him to express and explore his effeminate nature and inclinations dressing, and living as a woman, but without considering the surgery, which he said is way down the road?
I think he is very brave and courageous and being authentic with himself to finally stop denying what he feels gives him joy and happiness.
[Edited on 4/26/2015 by gina]
Although the topic may be current and some may find it intriguing, I for one am incredibly disappointed in our society for elevating this story to being "front page news". If it were not for the Kardashians, Bruce would have disappeared into oblivion like so many athletes before him. I wish he and anyone else in a similar place nothing but luck.
Why in the Hell is this news?...Why was it "worthy" of a two hour prime time special?
Unbelievable and almost pathetic
Although the topic may be current and some may find it intriguing, I for one am incredibly disappointed in our society for elevating this story to being "front page news". If it were not for the Kardashians, Bruce would have disappeared into oblivion like so many athletes before him. I wish he and anyone else in a similar place nothing but luck.
Why in the Hell is this news?...Why was it "worthy" of a two hour prime time special?
Unbelievable and almost pathetic
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Freak shows sell.
Although the topic may be current and some may find it intriguing, I for one am incredibly disappointed in our society for elevating this story to being "front page news". If it were not for the Kardashians, Bruce would have disappeared into oblivion like so many athletes before him. I wish he and anyone else in a similar place nothing but luck.
Why in the Hell is this news?...Why was it "worthy" of a two hour prime time special?
Unbelievable and almost pathetic
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Freak shows sell.
Another drive by from one of the narrow minded individuals on this site. Have you read your own posts? Freaky fits many of your attempts at posting quite well.
I can only speak for myself. I'm a married guy with an attractive lady for a wife. However, to each his own. If Bruce is pursuing a lifestyle and identity that will make him happy, than more power to him. Who are we to judge?
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Although the topic may be current and some may find it intriguing, I for one am incredibly disappointed in our society for elevating this story to being "front page news". If it were not for the Kardashians, Bruce would have disappeared into oblivion like so many athletes before him. I wish he and anyone else in a similar place nothing but luck.Why in the Hell is this news?...Why was it "worthy" of a two hour prime time special?
Unbelievable and almost pathetic
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Freak shows sell.
Another drive by from one of the narrow minded individuals on this site. Have you read your own posts? Freaky fits many of your attempts at posting quite well.
I can only speak for myself. I'm a married guy with an attractive lady for a wife. However, to each his own. If Bruce is pursuing a lifestyle and identity that will make him happy, than more power to him. Who are we to judge?
Thanks for exposing a hater.
Although the topic may be current and some may find it intriguing, I for one am incredibly disappointed in our society for elevating this story to being "front page news". If it were not for the Kardashians, Bruce would have disappeared into oblivion like so many athletes before him. I wish he and anyone else in a similar place nothing but luck.
Why in the Hell is this news?...Why was it "worthy" of a two hour prime time special?
Unbelievable and almost pathetic
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Freak shows sell.
Perhaps the most overtly bigoted post I've ever read. Why am I not surprised.
So,
If someone rejects the homosexuals they are a hater.
If someone disagrees with Obama’s political agenda they are a racist.
The liberals do love to label in drogatory terms anyone who disagrees with their narrow views.
Talk about a freak show.
So,
If someone rejects the homosexuals they are a hater.
If someone disagrees with Obama’s political agenda they are a racist.The liberals do love to label in drogatory terms anyone who disagrees with their narrow views.
Talk about a freak show.
You called a transgender individual a freak right here in this thread for all to see. Everyone who is different from you is a freak, right?
So,
If someone rejects the homosexuals they are a hater.
If someone disagrees with Obama’s political agenda they are a racist.The liberals do love to label in drogatory terms anyone who disagrees with their narrow views.
Talk about a freak show.
You called a transgender individual a freak right here in this thread for all to see. Everyone who is different from you is a freak, right?
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You really are an idiot.
I did not call Jenner a freak.
I referred to the Diane Sawyer interview of Jenner a freak show.
It is exploitation for promotional purposes and to sell advertizing to the tabloid crowd.
Try to learn to read the words actually posted instead of your instant “oh I know what he really means” take.
And look, Pops tried to form a thought again. Didn’t work but he does try
You really are an idiot.
I did not call Jenner a freak.
I referred to the Diane Sawyer interview of Jenner a freak show.
It is exploitation for promotional purposes and to sell advertizing to the tabloid crowd.
That's your interpretation of the show and yours only. Jenner was famous many years before he announced he was transgender, his fame is one reason to have him on a talk show. No one else here called it a freak show; many would interpret it as compassion, but of course that would never occur to you. And I won't get into name calling even though you've resorted to it with me.
You really are an idiot.
I did not call Jenner a freak.
I referred to the Diane Sawyer interview of Jenner a freak show.
It is exploitation for promotional purposes and to sell advertizing to the tabloid crowd.That's your interpretation of the show and yours only. Jenner was famous many years before he announced he was transgender, his fame is one reason to have him on a talk show. No one else here called it a freak show; many would interpret it as compassion, but of course that would never occur to you. And I won't get into name calling even though you've resorted to it with me.
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Exactly right. My interpretation my opinion.
I’ll stick with my standards and morals.
If you want to tune into his tranny reality show when it debuts on E!, enjoy the voyeurism.
You really are an idiot.
I did not call Jenner a freak.
I referred to the Diane Sawyer interview of Jenner a freak show.
It is exploitation for promotional purposes and to sell advertizing to the tabloid crowd.That's your interpretation of the show and yours only. Jenner was famous many years before he announced he was transgender, his fame is one reason to have him on a talk show. No one else here called it a freak show; many would interpret it as compassion, but of course that would never occur to you. And I won't get into name calling even though you've resorted to it with me.
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Exactly right. My interpretation my opinion.
I’ll stick with my standards and morals.If you want to tune into his tranny reality show when it debuts on E!, enjoy the voyeurism.
Yes, it is your right to stick to your "standards" as a bigot. Glad we cleared that up.
You really are an idiot.
I did not call Jenner a freak.
I referred to the Diane Sawyer interview of Jenner a freak show.
It is exploitation for promotional purposes and to sell advertizing to the tabloid crowd.That's your interpretation of the show and yours only. Jenner was famous many years before he announced he was transgender, his fame is one reason to have him on a talk show. No one else here called it a freak show; many would interpret it as compassion, but of course that would never occur to you. And I won't get into name calling even though you've resorted to it with me.
why does Bruce Jenner wanting to become a woman and going on a talk show warrant my compassion? (key word: "and")
oh the horror 😮 😮 😮 
Freak show? Ahhhhh ... I can see where that could be taken as cruel and insensitive.
I have avoided even reading about this since the stories started popping up all over the internet - including the "big 2" news sites (CNN and Fox). I feared and suspected that this was something Kardashian. I wondered if it was real or made up - all the while never allowing myself to be curious enough to read anything about it.
I didn't see the Sawyer piece but early Saturday morning while seeking some actual television news, a related piece - complete with Sawyer interview snippets popped up on CNN. To make it more ... real(?) ... interesting(?) - this piece featured commentary from a transgendered person (one who has undergone the operations - taking the hormones etc).
The transgendered commentator (I didn't take note of name) had some legitimate questions and concerns over Jenner's personal issues.
First of all, Bruce Jenner took measures to assure everyone that he was not gay. He stated that he had always been attracted to women and was a family man. At the same time he stated that he felt that he had felt that he was a woman in a man's body. The interview and information became further muddled - now that Jenner is a woman, is he attracted to men? ... or still to women? - which as the transgendered commentator stated would now make him a lesbian (not my assertion - don't flame me here).
I am all for gay people coming out. I do not judge transgendered people. I actually hope that folks brave enough to bare their souls in these situations serve to help others who might be confused or having problems in similar life situations.
But just from watching this very brief segment on television, I cannot help but feel that Bruce Jenner did not receive the proper or enough of the proper counseling.
Maybe it's time to bust out my copy of "Can't Stop The Music"!
I agree with BIGV. Who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner has to say or feel. Just go about your business Mr. Jenner and do your thing...
Compassion? How about ratings.
Muleman is a dope, but in this case he is more correct than you are.
Again, ratings.
Ratings never veto compassion.
Compassion? How about ratings.
Muleman is a dope, but in this case he is more correct than you are.
Again, ratings.
Ratings never veto compassion.
Rob,
You are correct, but consider your target audience when using the word "compassion". Think in terms of the old GOP phrase "compassionate conservatism" which went out like a dinosaur.
Compassion? How about ratings.
Muleman is a dope, but in this case he is more correct than you are.
Again, ratings.
Ratings never veto compassion.
Rob,
You are correct, but consider your target audience when using the word "compassion". Think in terms of the old GOP phrase "compassionate conservatism" which went out like a dinosaur.
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Why do you pose it as a conservative issue?
Why do you see the matter only in political terms?
Many Democrats oppose homosexuals too.
This "interview" was purely about exploitation and money.
I didn't hear any condemnation of Republicans.
Although the topic may be current and some may find it intriguing, I for one am incredibly disappointed in our society for elevating this story to being "front page news". If it were not for the Kardashians, Bruce would have disappeared into oblivion like so many athletes before him. I wish he and anyone else in a similar place nothing but luck.
Why in the Hell is this news?...Why was it "worthy" of a two hour prime time special?
Unbelievable and almost pathetic
It's front page news because he is a celebrity and people want to know what is going on with him, so this was an opportunity for him to tell his story to a reporter who has the depth to try to understand without sensationalizing it.
I would like to understand some things about the issue. When I grew up all people knew was that there were heterosexuals and homosexuals and cross dressers which were homosexuals who liked to dress up in women's clothes.
Now we have all these categories of people whose sexual issues, orientations define them.
One of my questions is are transgenders really just homosexuals who want to be accepted by society, so they want to live as members of the opposite sex and then be able to enjoy the men they want. If they can say they are women, nobody can chastise them, look down at them or question them.
There are all these things nowadays, what sex does the person identify with? Well they are closer to women so they want to transition into women, or they are closer to men so they want to become a man. There's been so much analysis and cateogorizing people, are the transgenders really people of the opposite sex trapped in bodies they are uncomfortable in or does society, culture, upbringing create it?
You really are an idiot.
I did not call Jenner a freak.
I referred to the Diane Sawyer interview of Jenner a freak show.
It is exploitation for promotional purposes and to sell advertizing to the tabloid crowd.That's your interpretation of the show and yours only. Jenner was famous many years before he announced he was transgender, his fame is one reason to have him on a talk show. No one else here called it a freak show; many would interpret it as compassion, but of course that would never occur to you. And I won't get into name calling even though you've resorted to it with me.
why does Bruce Jenner wanting to become a woman and going on a talk show warrant my compassion? (key word: "and")
Do you think that publicly transitioning goes to far, but if he wanted to dress up as a woman in private and live with a man that would be okay because it would be behind closed doors? Some people just object to having people who are different showing themselves out in the open. Bruce Jenner told America that he just cannot live the lie anymore that he has lived for all these years. He wants to be able to just live how he feels, dressing as a woman, living as a woman.
I say why can't he just accept his homosexuality IF indeed he is a homosexual, and I don't think that question was asked on the interview. If he is a homosexual, why can't he just dress up as a woman, live with whatever man he's in a relationship with and be okay with that. Why the need to refer to himself as a transgender, does that make it more acceptable. He still wants sex with men as a transgender, the same way a homosexual man would.
So what is the difference between transgender people and homosexual people, they will still be having sex with a person of the sex they were originally born as.
Is transgender-ism a legitamite form of something went wrong in nature, so they have to surgically fix it?
They say sex reassignment surgery is for people with gender identity issues. What does that really mean? They are not sure if they want to be a woman or a man. Society and culture have blurred the lines and definitions of the roles men and women have, has this created a generation of confused people, who don't know what they are?
What is their role? Whatever they want, well that's too much choice.
In Islam, women have clearly defined roles of being mothers, taking care of the children, household and their husband. The husband must take care of them financially. People do not have gender identity issues, they are not raised in a way that causes or makes that condition worse.
Are the problems facing so many people in the west due to culture/lifestyle?
[Edited on 4/27/2015 by gina]
Maybe it's time to bust out my copy of "Can't Stop The Music"!
I agree with BIGV. Who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner has to say or feel. Just go about your business Mr. Jenner and do your thing...
Several here have suggested it is about ratings. If it is about ratings, then enough people have to care enough to watch in order to make it a ratings bonanza. And according to USA Today, enough people did care enough to watch...it was the most-watched Friday program (excluding sports) since 2003, pulling in 16.9 million viewers. In terms of social media, it was also the most social Friday telecast of all time, excluding sports. On Twitter, Jenner was the top worldwide trend during the Friday broadcast.
So to answer your question, who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner has to say or feel, the answer is millions and millions of people.
Maybe it's time to bust out my copy of "Can't Stop The Music"!
I agree with BIGV. Who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner has to say or feel. Just go about your business Mr. Jenner and do your thing...
Some of us care because Bruce Jenner was a US gold medal champion in the decathlon (often considered the most demanding of all disciplines and representative of King of All Athletes) in a pre-steroid, pre-professional age.In the same year, Richard Raskind, the captain of the Yale men's tennis team who became Renee Richards, was initially denied a place on the women's tennis circuit. She's also a damned good ophthalmologist.
These two athletes are examples of the courage, dedication, and discipline it requires to excel. That they were born in bodies unsuited to their gender and took steps to make that change is to be applauded.
I don't know who Bruce Jenner and Dr. Richards are married to so I fail to see any newsworthiness beyond their athletic prowessl
There was an Andrew Dice Clay -ish feel in his denial of being gay.
i may like to wear womens panties and plan to take loads of hormones to develop womens features, but, whoa, hold on there,
I aint no sausage lover.
Capitalism at work. Ratings = lots of revenue. This is what America is all about.
Maybe it's time to bust out my copy of "Can't Stop The Music"!
I agree with BIGV. Who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner has to say or feel. Just go about your business Mr. Jenner and do your thing...
Several here have suggested it is about ratings. If it is about ratings, then enough people have to care enough to watch in order to make it a ratings bonanza. And according to USA Today, enough people did care enough to watch...it was the most-watched Friday program (excluding sports) since 2003, pulling in 16.9 million viewers. In terms of social media, it was also the most social Friday telecast of all time, excluding sports. On Twitter, Jenner was the top worldwide trend during the Friday broadcast.
So to answer your question, who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner has to say or feel, the answer is millions and millions of people.
the same millions who watch the Kardashians, probably.
Maybe it's time to bust out my copy of "Can't Stop The Music"!
I agree with BIGV. Who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner has to say or feel. Just go about your business Mr. Jenner and do your thing...
Several here have suggested it is about ratings. If it is about ratings, then enough people have to care enough to watch in order to make it a ratings bonanza. And according to USA Today, enough people did care enough to watch...it was the most-watched Friday program (excluding sports) since 2003, pulling in 16.9 million viewers. In terms of social media, it was also the most social Friday telecast of all time, excluding sports. On Twitter, Jenner was the top worldwide trend during the Friday broadcast.
So to answer your question, who the hell cares what Bruce Jenner has to say or feel, the answer is millions and millions of people.
the same millions who watch the Kardashians, probably.
And then some. The last "Keeping Up with the Kardashians" episode pulled in an audience of just over 2 million. The Jenner interview pulled nearly 17 million.
c'mon gondicar. this is the equivalent of rubber-necking on the highway to see a car wreck..
I don't think that 17 million number is all that surprising. No one really mentions the fact he was one of the biggest athletes in America in 1976-77...back when people actually cared about the Olympics and actually thought breakfast cereal was healthy...:P
Mo Money:
Bruce Jenner threatens CNN, Daily News over dress photos
Published April 28, 2015 - New York Post
Bruce Jenner is transitioning into a woman
Bruce Jenner has threatened legal action over photos of him wearing a dress published last week.
He was seen in fuzzy photos outside his hilltop Malibu home wearing a long black-and-white striped dress.
But Jenner complained that the photos, published in the New York Daily News and shown on CNN in a segment hosted by Don Lemon — titled “Caught on Camera: Bruce Jenner’s New Look?” — violated his privacy because they were taken via a telephoto lens from as far as a mile away.
The shots have since been removed from the Web sites of both outlets.
A spokesman for Jenner, 65, told Page Six, “Both Daily News and CNN pulled the photos sold to them by X17 once they found out they were illegally obtained. The agency no longer is selling those photos [since] they confirmed they were shot illegally."
Under California law, photographers can be found liable for invasion of privacy for using telephoto lenses to capture images of people engaged in “personal or familial activity.”
Jenner’s attorney Marty Singer said, “The photos were clearly unlawfully taken from a very long distance using an enhancement device. Bruce Jenner is going to enforce his right to privacy.”
