There has been a very nasty witch-hunt like scandal regarding Brian Williams and a story he has told about being in a chopper in Iraq in 2003 that suffered RPG fire and had to make an emergency landing, while he was covering a story. People have accused him of lieing, saying he was not on the plane that took the RPG fire. What Brian actually said in the interview was that the plane in front of his and his took RPG and enemy fire. He did note even say his plane took the RPG fire, they just assumed that is what he meant. The NY Post said that Tom Brokaw thought he should be fired, but Brokaw issued a statement to Huffington Post saying that was not true.
"I have neither demanded nor suggested Brian be fired," Brokaw said in an email to The Huffington Post. "His future is up to Brian and NBC News executives."
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/president-nbc-news-just-sent-210400129.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/06/tom-brokaw-brian-wiliams_n_6630536.html?1423238572
I saw Brian on a late night talk show where he explained that he was in the chopper behind the one that took RPG fire, the plane he was in did take enemy fire Kalishnakov, while 100 feet off the ground and had to do an emergency landing along with the other chopper.
Now they are also questioning his reporting during Katrina, because the area of New Orleans he was in they do not think the water was high enough for him to have seen the floating bodies go by first hand.
If somebody is trying to take Brian down, shame on them. He is a good reporter. The plane he was in WAS hit by enemy fire, it just was not RPG, it was Kalishnakov fire, and that makes it no less dangerous. If they hit the gas tank the plane could have exploded. He was in unanticipated danger.
Whose behind the witchhunt to call Brian's credibility into question?
[Edited on 2/7/2015 by gina]
Just something else for the media to report on for the next 2to3 weeks true or not does not matter to them 🙁
Brian Williams - Who is Behind the Witchhunt?
Muleman
Brian Williams - Who is Behind the Witchhunt?
Brian Williams.
Look forward to hearing more about NOLA and the imaginary dead body floating by in the imaginary flood at the French Quarter.
Then the imaginary case of dysentery. On the other hand, the look on his face has always reminded me of someone with diarrhea or a bad headache or something, so maybe there's something there.
Although I hope he stays, NBC should fire him. He tried to turn himself into some kind of hero and turned himself into a punch line instead.
Look forward to hearing more about NOLA and the imaginary dead body floating by in the imaginary flood at the French Quarter.
Then the imaginary case of dysentery. On the other hand, the look on his face has always reminded me of someone with diarrhea or a bad headache or something, so maybe there's something there.
Although I hope he stays, NBC should fire him. He tried to turn himself into some kind of hero and turned himself into a punch line instead.
They didn't fire Nancy Snyderman, I doubt they will fire Williams.
Look forward to hearing more about NOLA and the imaginary dead body floating by in the imaginary flood at the French Quarter.
Then the imaginary case of dysentery. On the other hand, the look on his face has always reminded me of someone with diarrhea or a bad headache or something, so maybe there's something there.
Although I hope he stays, NBC should fire him. He tried to turn himself into some kind of hero and turned himself into a punch line instead.
I'd set the odds at 30% he's fired/70% he stays.
They didn't fire Nancy Snyderman, I doubt they will fire Williams.
I actually like Brian, but I can never pass up the opportunity for fun with PhotoShop! 😉
More lies surfacing.
He's toast.
The real problem is that he got caught:
Williams’s story on Israel rocket fire changed from one telling to another
Washington Post - Washington Post
The Washington Post - By Paul Farhi 1 day ago
NBC News anchor Brian Williams certainly has placed himself in dangerous situations in covering wars and natural disasters over the years. But how much danger? With Williams, the answer varies.
In addition to statements about his reporting from Iraq and New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina that are under review by NBC, Williams has given varying accounts of the risks he faced in reporting on Israel’s war with the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah in 2006.
In a 2007 interview, Williams described a close encounter with rockets fired by Hezbollah as he flew over northern Israel in an Israeli military helicopter.
“There were Katyusha rockets passing just beneath the helicopter I was riding in,” he told a student interviewer from Fairfield (Conn.) University that year.
But Williams didn’t mention that in his own account of the helicopter trip, written on an NBC News blog in July the previous year.
In that version, he was in a Blackhawk helicopter “at 1,500 feet,” accompanied by “a high-ranking general in the Israeli Defense Forces” and that rocket fire preceded them rather than passed beneath them.
Williams wrote that the pilot reported “some shelling right now .?.?. They landed about 30 seconds ago.”
Williams wrote that he noticed “trails of smoke and dust” where rockets had landed in the countryside. “Then,” he wrote, “I noticed something out the window. From a distance of six miles, I witnessed a rocket launch. A rising trail of smoke, then a second rocket launch, an orange flash and more smoke — as a rocket heads off toward Israel.”
The description suggests that Williams’s helicopter was near the rockets but does not claim the weapons were flying “just beneath” his airborne vehicle.
The anchorman offered more details a few weeks later in August 2006, during an appearance on “The Daily Show.”
“Here’s a view of rockets I have never seen, passing underneath us, 1,500 feet beneath us. And we’ve got the gunner doors on this thing, and I’m saying to the general, some four-star: ‘It wouldn’t take much for them to adjust the aim and try to do a ring toss right through our open doors, would it?’?”
He ended the interview by telling Stewart, “Anytime you want to cross over to the other side, baby, travel with me.”
In other tales of danger in which he was a protagonist, there also tend to be variations. His story about traveling in a U.S. Army helicopter at the start of the Iraq war changed gradually over the years until Williams said the aircraft was attacked with gun and rocket fire and forced to make a hasty landing. He said the pilot of the craft was wounded in the attack and received a Purple Heart.
But that story was disputed by soldiers who said Williams’s helicopter was never attacked and the crew was not hurt. It set in motion a rapid chain of events. Williams apologized and then voluntarily took himself off his top-rated broadcast, “NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams,” for an unspecified period, saying the controversy about his remarks had become a distraction.
NBC says it is reviewing Williams’s statements. It has not announced any disciplinary action.
On Sunday, people at NBC said Williams will not appear on David Letterman’s talk show on CBS as previously scheduled on Thursday. Williams did not want to appear on that show while he was off the job at NBC, they said.
More lies surfacing.
He's toast.
Maybe fox news will offer him a gig, 70% of what they report is LIES. 😛
Give some examples of their news anchors doing what Williams did.
More lies surfacing.
He's toast.
Maybe fox news will offer him a gig, 70% of what they report is LIES. 😛
Examples please.
More lies surfacing.
He's toast.
Maybe fox news will offer him a gig, 70% of what they report is LIES. 😛
Examples please.
Examples? They don't need no stinking examples.
"I tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it. I've been close to it. And if my unit is in danger and I got a captured guy and the guy knows where the enemy is and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. If it's life or death, he's going first."
-Bill O'Reilly, 2006
Bill O'Reilly has never served in the military.
"I tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it. I've been close to it. And if my unit is in danger and I got a captured guy and the guy knows where the enemy is and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. If it's life or death, he's going first."
-Bill O'Reilly, 2006
Bill O'Reilly has never served in the military.
That looks like a hypothetical. Besides, Bill O'Reilly is not a news reporter. The Factor is not a newscast.
"I tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it. I've been close to it. And if my unit is in danger and I got a captured guy and the guy knows where the enemy is and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. If it's life or death, he's going first."
-Bill O'Reilly, 2006
Bill O'Reilly has never served in the military.
That looks like a hypothetical. Besides, Bill O'Reilly is not a news reporter. The Factor is not a newscast.
"I'll tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it."
Nothing hypothetical there. And he is not a reporter so lying is OK? Did you even give that any thought?
"I tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it. I've been close to it. And if my unit is in danger and I got a captured guy and the guy knows where the enemy is and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. If it's life or death, he's going first."
-Bill O'Reilly, 2006
Bill O'Reilly has never served in the military.
That looks like a hypothetical. Besides, Bill O'Reilly is not a news reporter. The Factor is not a newscast.
According to FOX, the show he hosts is news analysis and investigative reporting. Maybe he's not a reporter, but as the host of a show that is described below, I would think he should be subject to the same journalistic standards as someone like Brian Williams (who is also a host, not a reporter).
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/personalities/bill-oreilly/bio/#s=m-q
The Factor, as most people call it, remains an unequaled blend of news analysis and hard-hitting investigative reporting dropped into what O'Reilly reminds us nightly is "The No Spin Zone."
"I tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it. I've been close to it. And if my unit is in danger and I got a captured guy and the guy knows where the enemy is and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. If it's life or death, he's going first."
-Bill O'Reilly, 2006
Bill O'Reilly has never served in the military.
That looks like a hypothetical. Besides, Bill O'Reilly is not a news reporter. The Factor is not a newscast.
"I'll tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it."
Nothing hypothetical there. And he is not a reporter so lying is OK? Did you even give that any thought?
Two things....
1) Examine the original proposal at 11:17 closely. It reads, "Give some examples of their (FOX) news anchors doing what Williams did." As you might know, O'Reilly is not a news anchor, nor is The Factor a newscast.....Whiff.
2) Nowhere in Bhawk's example did O'Reilly claim he served in the military. However, Bhawk fails to mention O'Reilly's time as a correspondent in Central and South America. Many correspondents have been in combat. Aside from that comment, the rest of his statement is an anecdote....Strike Two.
Give that some thought.
Now, if you want to delve into talk shows like The Factor, Hannity, or what not, it's true -- Many lies are told on FOX. A guy like David Axelrod or (name the liberal) appear on The Factor and often spin one lie after another.
I hate politics and consider myself neither a liberal or a conservative. I consider myself a free-thinker and one with about an ounce of common sense. So when things like this happen, I'm always amazed at the folks who quickly find "someone from the other side" who has done something similar - as if that makes it all okay. Mama said, "two wrongs never made a right".
edit: change happens to happen
[Edited on 2/10/2015 by Rusty]
"I tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it. I've been close to it. And if my unit is in danger and I got a captured guy and the guy knows where the enemy is and I'm looking him in the eye, the guy better tell me. That's all I'm gonna tell you. If it's life or death, he's going first."
-Bill O'Reilly, 2006
Bill O'Reilly has never served in the military.
That looks like a hypothetical. Besides, Bill O'Reilly is not a news reporter. The Factor is not a newscast.
"I'll tell you what, I've been in combat. I've seen it."
Nothing hypothetical there. And he is not a reporter so lying is OK? Did you even give that any thought?
Two things....
1) Examine the original proposal at 11:17 closely. It reads, "Give some examples of their (FOX) news anchors doing what Williams did." As you might know, O'Reilly is not a news anchor, nor is The Factor a newscast.....Whiff.
2) Nowhere in Bhawk's example did O'Reilly claim he served in the military. However, Bhawk fails to mention O'Reilly's time as a correspondent in Central and South America. Many correspondents have been in combat. Aside from that comment, the rest of his statement is an anecdote....Strike Two.
Give that some thought.
Now, if you want to delve into talk shows like The Factor, Hannity, or what not, it's true -- Many lies are told on FOX. A guy like David Axelrod or (name the liberal) appear on The Factor and often spin one lie after another.
Try again. Reporters don't question captives to find out where the enemy is. They don't go anywhere near captives. If you believe he wasn't talking about being in the military, you are much more obtuse than I thought possible.
Or is this another of your snarky jokes? Nobody can tell whether you are kidding or not because you sound unintelligent either way.
I hate politics and consider myself neither a liberal or a conservative. I consider myself a free-thinker and one with about an ounce of common sense. So when things like this happen, I'm always amazed at the folks who quickly find "someone from the other side" who has done something similar - as if that makes it all okay. Mama said, "two wrongs never made a right".
edit: change happens to happen
I posted that O'Reilly quote almost entirely out of jest. No one on the "other side" from me is going to agree that Fox News is anything but perfect in every way.
Brian Williams has made his bed and now must lie in it. Pun intended. I'm actually shocked he hasn't been fired yet.
His daughter is also hotter'n donut grease.
Many correspondents have been in combat.
Correspondents report from combat zones.
Soldiers fight in combat.
1) Examine the original proposal at 11:17 closely. It reads, "Give some examples of their (FOX) news anchors doing what Williams did." As you might know, O'Reilly is not a news anchor, nor is The Factor a newscast.....Whiff.
The whiff is yours on this one. According to FOX, the show O'Reilly hosts is news analysis and investigative reporting, and is positioned as being unbiased, fact-based reporting and analysis. His role is to host/anchor the show, and as such he should be subject to the same journalistic standards as someone like Brian Williams (who is also a host/anchor).
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/personalities/bill-oreilly/bio/#s=m-q
The Factor, as most people call it, remains an unequaled blend of news analysis and hard-hitting investigative reporting dropped into what O'Reilly reminds us nightly is "The No Spin Zone."
If are you saying O'Reilly should be subject to a lower journalistic/ethical standard than Brian Williams, please explain why.
As for the O'Reilly quote about combat, the reference to "my unit" after talking about being in combat is clearly intended to put himself in the role of soldier...if he was mixing personal experience and anecdotal supposition together, he clearly was doing it in such a way as to be misleading. If he were from anyplace but FOX (like saaaay NBC) you would agree with me and call him out on it, no question in my mind about that.
[Edited on 2/10/2015 by gondicar]
If you wish to compare a show like The Factor to the NBC Evening News there's not much more to say. I'd love to see an example of a Sheppard Smith or John Scott doing what Williams did.
More lies surfacing.
He's toast.
Maybe fox news will offer him a gig, 70% of what they report is LIES. 😛
Examples please.
I guess you are good with getting lies to help form your opinions. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/fact-checking-site-finds-fox-news-tells-truth-18-percent-time/
[Edited on 2/10/2015 by pops42]
It is amazing when you present the conservatives with facts about Fox News you get no response or they change the subject. I was half expecting Mule to give us the classic line he read on some website. " yeah but they are the most watched and trusted cable news network". 😛
More lies surfacing.
He's toast.
Maybe fox news will offer him a gig, 70% of what they report is LIES. 😛
Examples please.
I guess you are good with getting lies to help form your opinions. http://www.forwardprogressives.com/fact-checking-site-finds-fox-news-tells-truth-18-percent-time/
[Edited on 2/10/2015 by pops42]
It is amazing when you present the conservatives with facts about Fox News you get no response or they change the subject. I was half expecting Mule to give us the classic line he read on some website. " yeah but they are the most watched and trusted cable news network".
Just as amazing is the apparent (intentional IMO) misunderstanding of FOX. Otherwise intelligent adults who have no problem differentiating between the news and editorial sections of their local paper suddenly can't recognize the difference on a TV network.
Forward Progress says Fox News is only factual 18% of the time.
Note in the link to Forward Progress there is not one example of Fox News telling a lie. Not one. Nothing there.
Forward Progress is a far-left liberal political action/blog.
It is not hard to understand their publishing a false claim. This is the modus operandi of the liberals. Fox News broadcasts the facts about obama and his failed administration and telling the truth make the liberals crazy.
Unable to craft a fact based argument, the liberals and their political operatives simply lie.
Again, not one example of Fox News lying.
Obama, his administration, Hillary and the rest of the liberals have been repeatedly proven as liars. Hillary’s husband, as president, was convicted of lying under oath but he is beloved by the liberals.
If you think Fox News has lied, prove it.
Forward Progress says Fox News is only factual 18% of the time.
Note in the link to Forward Progress there is not one example of Fox News telling a lie. Not one. Nothing there.
Forward Progress is a far-left liberal political action/blog.
It is not hard to understand their publishing a false claim. This is the modus operandi of the liberals. Fox News broadcasts the facts about obama and his failed administration and telling the truth make the liberals crazy.Unable to craft a fact based argument, the liberals and their political operatives simply lie.
Again, not one example of Fox News lying.
Obama, his administration, Hillary and the rest of the liberals have been repeatedly proven as liars. Hillary’s husband, as president, was convicted of lying under oath but he is beloved by the liberals.If you think Fox News has lied, prove it.
Don't like that site then try this one. It is funded in part by the non-partisan Ford Foundation and Democracy Fund so there is no agenda just fact checking for all news outlets.
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/
If you think Fox News has lied, prove it.
Are you coming from the premise that not one lie has ever been told by anyone on Fox News, ever? If you are demanding people prove something, fine...but what exactly is the standard of your request? What's the baseline? No lie has ever been spoken by anyone employed by Fox News?
If you think Fox News has lied, prove it.
Are you coming from the premise that not one lie has ever been told by anyone on Fox News, ever? If you are demanding people prove something, fine...but what exactly is the standard of your request? What's the baseline? No lie has ever been spoken by anyone employed by Fox News?
All you have to do is go to the politifact website I posted and they give you examples of many cases of things said on Fox News were incorrect. Either the people saying them are just uninformed or they are out an out lying. 
