sovereign citizen movement?
The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin
That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.
Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.
that, alloak, encapsulates the whole thing. its only one group causing this.....not the other.
thanks for making that point.
that, alloak, encapsulates the whole thing. its only one group causing this.....not the other.
Whatever that means.
sovereign citizen movement vs black lives matter..........some say there is a difference. they may be right about that......but for the wrong reasons. peacefully protesting and shutting down a freeway vs armed takeover of federal property. there are enough examples of the differences to write a book.
does that clear things up?
How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.
The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin
That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.
Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.
If you say so. Say, that movement and the calls for dead cops thing, is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.
So, you were lying. I figured that already.
How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.So, you were lying. I figured that already.
Not intentionally, no. Only if measuring against one of the different yardsticks you use, depending on the situation apparently.
The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin
That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.
Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.
If you say so. Say, that movement and the calls for dead cops thing, is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
Let's pose another larger question from the opposite angle. Say, that racial bias thing, is that on a
website, press release, training manual, or social media from any law enforcement organization that
condones or encourages unfair treatment toward African-Americans? Not individual cops, but actual
representatives of the organization itself?
sigh.....good luck bhawk
i'm trying to find where cops cleared out a private property this weekend. BLM people hanging out at a house. looked pretty crazy the cops clearing the place out. they didn't do that at bundy ranch or in oregon? amazing difference......but.....alloak.....do you see that as different things?........i'll post it when i find it
http://thefreethoughtproject.com/baton-rouge-riot-police-attack-protesters/
[Edited on 7/12/2016 by LeglizHemp]
How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.So, you were lying. I figured that already.
Not intentionally, no. Only if measuring against one of the different yardsticks you use, depending on the situation apparently.
Different yardsticks? Fascinating comment.
You know, with as much snark as you throw, why don't you ever back it up?
You stated...
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.
And then I asked...
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?
Good luck with that.
The Bundy's threatened to kill cops toooooo.......just sayin
That was real Americans using their 2nd Amendment rights. That was different.
Quite different. Comparing a few people to a nationwide movement.
If you say so. Say, that movement and the calls for dead cops thing, is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
Let's pose another larger question from the opposite angle. Say, that racial bias thing, is that on a
website, press release, training manual, or social media from any law enforcement organization that
condones or encourages unfair treatment toward African-Americans? Not individual cops, but actual
representatives of the organization itself?
Hmmm. Well, that would take quite a bit of research. I'm not sure where I claimed that sort of thing is documented. There was an officer here locally that threatened a black child on Facebook and they fired him the next day. I'm sure if once was to do the research there would be some incidents that would at least raise an eyebrow or two.
I take it from your tone that you do not believe there is any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere?
We already know where you are really coming from on this issue. That's well established over several conversations.
That's why this statement is so interesting...
Not only that, but they're hurting their own cause.
So, do they actually have a cause? What is their cause in your view? You just inferred that there is no established racial bias in law enforcement, so isn't your real beef with BLM is that they exist in the first place?
How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.So, you were lying. I figured that already.
Not intentionally, no. Only if measuring against one of the different yardsticks you use, depending on the situation apparently.
Different yardsticks? Fascinating comment.
Damn straight. Where was your current mindset when the Tea Party was out demonstrating? You were the most judgmental person on this site, the first one to condemn the whole organization based on what you claimed individual "supporters" were doing, or a sign they were holding.
You stated...
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.And then I asked...
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.
Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.
And it sure is mighty convenient that the Dallas shooter who caused that reputation was blown to bits and we will never know for sure who was pulling his strings.
How can you sign off on an organization that calls for dead cops?
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
Too funny. This from the guy that attached any sign or activity from a Tea Party "supporter"
that cast any negative light on the organization as a whole, and did so at lightning speed.
Interesting too see how your philosophy has changed.So, you were lying. I figured that already.
Not intentionally, no. Only if measuring against one of the different yardsticks you use, depending on the situation apparently.
Different yardsticks? Fascinating comment.
Damn straight. Where was your current mindset when the Tea Party was out demonstrating? You were the most judgmental person on this site, the first one to condemn the whole organization based on what you claimed individual "supporters" were doing, or a sign they were holding.
Already ducking questions and snipping posts. You won't answer my questions, cool. I'll answer yours.
The Tea Party or any other variant as such had a right and has a right to assemble and demonstrate like any other American has under the Constitution. The Tea Party has always been a symbolic arm of the Republican Party, at one time there were three major versions of a platform. I remember once you specifically asked for someone, anyone, to refute that platform point by point, which I did.
I attended two Tea Party rallies. When the Freedom Jamboree was scheduled for KC I was excited, and when it was canceled I was disappointed.
I specifically remember this exchange between you and I...
Bhawk:
Here in Kansas, for instance, there has been a petition effort to revive the anti-gay bill that died in the Kansas Senate. This effort is spearheaded by the largest Tea Party group in the state. For a movement that is supposedly only concerned with excessive government taxation and spending, paradoxically, that's an odd position for them to take.
To which you replied:
And here we are. The fact that a bill was spearheaded by the Christian faction of a Tea Party group has GOT to be a negative? To concern themselves with anything besides excessive government taxation and spending is a drawback?
In my original statement, I claimed:
-There has been a petition effort to revive the anti-gay bill that died in the Kansas Senate <---This is true
-This effort is spearheaded by the largest Tea Party group in the state. <---This is true
In no way did I criticize the Tea Party directly, but I did wonder about their motivations, much like you have pondered about the motivation of anyone you perceive as remotely left hundreds upon hundreds of times.
So then, I feel compelled to ask and hopefully you won't snip this off, what exactly is your standard for double-standards?
We just had this conversation, where you stated:
Sub Liberal for Conservative and you might have something. Liberals are the caring, tolerant party that
have never done anything wrong. Anything that ever goes wrong is always the Republicans fault. ALWAYS. They're the selfish, nutjob, racist meanies that are "angry" and "hate" just about everyone. Right?
You get upset whenever someone paints your home team with a broad brush, but you throw out that BLM wants dead cops, I ask where that's stated, and you get bent?
You stated...
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.And then I asked...
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.
Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?
does anything i say deserve a comment? i feel so alone. LOL
does anything i say deserve a comment? i feel so alone. LOL
I think that when you pointed out that there seems to be certain situations where pointing guns at law enforcement is justified when personal biases side with the offending party was quite well made. 
I am watching to see if anyone emerges as the voice of reason in this blm movement. The country needs to ignore race hustler sharpton .
What is it that you want the voice of reason to say?
You stated...
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.And then I asked...
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?
1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.
2. I think all lives matter, so no.
3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.
4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.
There are issues on both sides. Blm should acknowledge the sorry state of the black family, black on black violence, how snitching
Is against the gang code. Shutting down a freeway when folks are trying to get home or to a job is going to backfire and make the division between both sides greater.
What's the issues on the other side?
You stated...
If I was a police officer I'd be pretty uncomfortable. How can you sign off on an organization that
calls for dead cops? What are you thinking?Sorry, but I'm sticking with the original premise that BLM is doing more harm than good. Not only that,
but they're hurting their own cause.And then I asked...
That sounds pretty serious. Is that on their website or any kind of press release or social media? Not "supporters," but actual representatives of the movement itself?
You claimed that BLM calls for dead cops. All I did was ask where that is stated. No more, no less. You made a claim. I merely asked where that claim is documented. Can you not back up your statement?
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?
1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.
2. I think all lives matter, so no.
3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.
4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.
LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.
Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?
1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.
2. I think all lives matter, so no.
3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.
4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.
LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.
That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...
There are issues on both sides. Blm should acknowledge the sorry state of the black family, black on black violence, how snitching Is against the gang code.
Doesn't seem relevant to what they are trying to do. Why should they have to acknowledge those things? When the police try to prove their point using whatever method they choose, should they also have to point out that there are some racist white people and acknowledge the existence of the KKK? Seems equally relevant.
Whatever the case, BLM is in dire need of the best image consultants that money can buy and
a total image makeover.....and fast. Like it or not, they are rapidly becoming known as a violent,
radical organization that wants white policemen killed.Why do they need image consultants? Do they have a legitimate cause in your opinion? Is there any racial disparity in the realm of American law enforcement, anywhere? Why do you even care what their image is, anyway?
1. If they're all about peaceful protests and wholesome ends, the public sure doesn't seem to be buying it. The perception is the exact opposite.
2. I think all lives matter, so no.
3. There is some measure of racial disparity everywhere, not just law enforcement. Always has been, always will be.
4. I don't, but I was responding to you in a discussion so I thought it was worth mentioning.
LOL, it's pretty clear that all lives don't matter equally in your eyes.
That's true. A black life taken by a white police officer is much, much more valuable than
any other. Off the scale...
The flippant, dismissive tone says it all...
