Unlike the ACA, you won't be one serious illness away from being wiped out financially. Birth control pills and other basic needs might not be covered, but catastrophic situations will...
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/355963/tom-prices-plan-replace-obamacare-andrew-stiles
More on Price's proposal, a 250 page Bill written by a surgeon....
It would be interesting to see side by side comparison to ACA but if this plan makes more sense then it should be considered.
I don't think anyone thought ACA was the perfect solution but it at least broke the political stalemate and got something enacted which should make it much easier to improve on as opposed to trying to get something enacted in the first place.
Another seems to imply there was one before.....
Another seems to imply there was one before.....
Do you think they will ever vote to repeal Obamacare?
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Another seems to imply there was one before.....
Do you think they will ever vote to repeal Obamacare?
Only about 60 times.....but that's not the same as a republican replacement plan, is it?
Another seems to imply there was one before.....
Do you think they will ever vote to repeal Obamacare?
Only about 60 times.....but that's not the same as a republican replacement plan, is it?
^Joke over head^
Another seems to imply there was one before.....
Do you think they will ever vote to repeal Obamacare?
Only about 60 times.....but that's not the same as a republican replacement plan, is it?
^Joke over head^
No, Sang's point went over your head. Unless, of course, you had no answer and decided to swerve again. 😛
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.
But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.
But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.
Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.
But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.
Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?
Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.
Fortunately we measure more than one opinion to gauge what the country really thinks...
41.5% favor, 49.3% oppose the law
52.3% favor repeal, 42.8 oppose repeal
Those average results have not changed since the outset and the number of reputable polls that have shown favor for the law is vanishing small.
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.
But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.
Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?
Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.
Fortunately we measure more than one opinion to gauge what the country really thinks...
41.5% favor, 49.3% oppose the law
52.3% favor repeal, 42.8 oppose repeal
Those average results have not changed since the outset and the number of reputable polls that have shown favor for the law is vanishing small.
Pretty disingenuous of you, but that is how you roll. Those polls were worded to ask if the people were for or against the law as it is written today. The wording implies that would they be in favor of there being changes made. Nowhere does it ask if they are in favor of it being repealed. Nice try. Interesting that you would call Obama a liar when you spend your time here twisting facts to your own agenda.
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.
But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.
Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?
Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.
Fortunately we measure more than one opinion to gauge what the country really thinks...
41.5% favor, 49.3% oppose the law
52.3% favor repeal, 42.8 oppose repeal
Those average results have not changed since the outset and the number of reputable polls that have shown favor for the law is vanishing small.
Pretty disingenuous of you, but that is how you roll. Those polls were worded to ask if the people were for or against the law as it is written today. The wording implies that would they be in favor of there being changes made.
-- How do you know what the wording implies? No sample questions are presented, so how do you reach your conclusions?. Its a simple yea/ nay, do you like the law it or not. Who knows what changes may or may not be made, so you're grasping at straws.
Nowhere does it ask if they are in favor of it being repealed. Nice try.
-- Again, any proof to back up that statement? Its exactly the reverse of what you claim. The measurement is: would you favor repeal or not? Simple as can be. Not repeal and replace with something made from unicorn tears, just repeal: yes or no.
Interesting that you would call Obama a liar when you spend your time here twisting facts to your own agenda.
-- What agenda? I'm presenting the current status as measured by a reputable system that averages a wide variety of established polls. The result refutes the claims of the previous poster, and apparently ruffles you. Too bad.
That Obama is a liar on a wide range of subjects is beyond established fact.
Obamacare wasn't supposed to cut costs or save the average household money. That was just a lie to get it passed. The ultimate goal is single payer. The government knows Obamacare is a train wreck, and when that becomes apparent enough they will step in with a solution that supposedly will save the day. Single payer.
Obamacare wasn't supposed to cut costs or save the average household money. That was just a lie to get it passed. The ultimate goal is single payer. The government knows Obamacare is a train wreck, and when that becomes apparent enough they will step in with a solution that supposedly will save the day. Single payer.
From your lips to god's ears. Should have been single payer to begin with but politics made it unrealistic.
What's wrong with single payer?
And who's goal is it? I don't see much support from anyone in office for single payer. A few outliers like Bernie Sanders, other than that I don't see any lobby that would support single payer.
Who would profit? Other than the people?
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.
But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the wNindow and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.
Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?
Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.
Fortunately we measure more than one opinion to gauge what the country really thinks...
41.5% favor, 49.3% oppose the law
52.3% favor repeal, 42.8 oppose repeal
Those average results have not changed since the outset and the number of reputable polls that have shown favor for the law is vanishing small.
Pretty disingenuous of you, but that is how you roll. Those polls were worded to ask if the people were for or against the law as it is written today. The wording implies that would they be in favor of there being changes made.
-- How do you know what the wording implies? No sample questions are presented, so how do you reach your conclusions?. Its a simple yea/ nay, do you like the law it or not. Who knows what changes may or may not be made, so you're grasping at straws.
Nowhere does it ask if they are in favor of it being repealed. Nice try.
-- Again, any proof to back up that statement? Its exactly the reverse of what you claim. The measurement is: would you favor repeal or not? Simple as can be. Not repeal and replace with something made from unicorn tears, just repeal: yes or no.
Interesting that you would call Obama a liar when you spend your time here twisting facts to your own agenda.
-- What agenda? I'm presenting the current status as measured by a reputable system that averages a wide variety of established polls. The result refutes the claims of the previous poster, and apparently ruffles you. Too bad.
That Obama is a liar on a wide range of subjects is beyond established fact.
It is all right there in the links you posted but, it seems to me, you never read.
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.
But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.
Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?
Medicare and the Veteran's health system absolutely utilize cost control mechanisms.....Both are government administered health care delivery systems. Neither are perfect too say the least but they have built in mechanisms to contain costs.
Those very same mechanisms could have been incorporated into the ACA. One such example would be the requirement to negotiate drug prices which the VA has been doing for years and has saved the tax payers billions per year.
[Edited on 6/8/2015 by Chain]
I still want to know what's wrong with single payer.
I still want to know what's wrong with single payer.
It's simple, really. A lot of people would lose a lot of money with single payer as compared to the hugely profitable mess we now have... 😛
Guess what happens when you lie to the people and take unilateral action to screw up their healthcare:
Washington Post Poll: Obamacare Hits Record Unpopularity
June 9, 2015
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that a record 54% of Americans oppose Obamacare–the highest disapproval rating ever in the Post-ABC poll–and a six point increase in unpopularity since last year.
Support for President Barack Obama’s unpopular signature legislative achievement registered at just 39%, which “ties the record low” as seen in April 2012.
The bleak Obamacare poll numbers come as Obama’s controversial healthcare law faces an uncertain future before the Supreme Court.
On Tuesday, Obama launched a new website in an effort to tout Obamacare’s “successes.”
However, with Obamacare now over five years into its existence, it remains unclear how Obama can turn around broad-based negative public perceptions about a law that will cost U.S. taxpayers $2.6 trillion in its first 10 years alone–and that is set to send health insurance premiums skyrocketing this year.
Obama signed Obamacare into law March 23, 2010.
a few things about ACA
It's imperfect and needs to be tweaked. Unforturnately, politial realities will prevent this
If you have ever met anyone who had to choose between meds and food, refuse medical care because they couldn't pay for it, had to sell their car or house to pay for medical bills (I have) you would know why the former status quo was not good.
The primary goal wasn't to necessarily control medical costs, although that was a goal. The major goal was to make health care available to all.
Another thing about ACA - contrary to popular belief, it wasn't a crazy scheme hatched by Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.
The principles of the ACA were initally hatched in the late 80s and 90s by none other than the Heritage Foundation (a conservative think tank for those that may not know) and was included in bills introduced and supported by Republicans as an alternative to Hillarycare. The principles that the Heritage Foundation came up with included the "individual mandate".
In the early 21st century, another Republican named Mitt Romney introduced a very similar plan in MA and got it passed. He was so proud of it, he wrote an editorial in USA today in ealry 2009 supporting his plan and pleading with the White House to adapt it for the nation.
so yeah, ACA needs to be fixed. The ability to purchase insurance across state lines is a good idea. So is malpractice reform.
Unfortunately, the number one problem that the GOP establishment has with ACA is the fact that it was passed by a Democratic President and Congress, and not them
http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
(scroll down to Legislative history and background)
whatever happens, medical care will remain expensive - because it is expensive. It shouldn't be as expensive at it is, but there is no getting around that health care costs money
[Edited on 6/10/2015 by stormyrider]
It's amazing what comes out of Obama's mouth when he speaks of Obamacare. Naturally, you would expect him to try and put a happy face on it, but he gushes like it's some kind of smashing success. He sold it on cost savings which never materialized and are going in the opposite direction, but that doesn't stop him.
That's a big reason why his own approval numbers always suck. It's not just the lies, every time he opens his mouth he insults millions upon millions of people.
I have the same insurance, the cost went down from last year, and I saved and continue saving a ton of money by being able to insure my kids in a family plan till they are 26.... yep, how horrible.......
I just searched the Washington Post site for "Obamacare". I didn't find the poll that Mule is referencing.
Alloak - we know you are opposed to health insurance. You admitted not having it for years. You are probably currently breaking the law and not carrying health insurance now. Don't worry. The American tax payer will be there to pay for your next emergency room visit.
This did come up on the Washington Post site as a Republican replacement for Obamacare:
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I just searched the Washington Post site for "Obamacare". I didn't find the poll that Mule is referencing.
Alloak - we know you are opposed to health insurance. You admitted not having it for years. You are probably currently breaking the law and not carrying health insurance now. Don't worry. The American tax payer will be there to pay for your next emergency room visit.
This did come up on the Washington Post site as a Republican replacement for Obamacare:
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Little Billy needs to learn how to do research. Here is the link to the actual poll:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-marks-lovehate-view-affordable-care-act/story?id=31566116
I just searched the Washington Post site for "Obamacare". I didn't find the poll that Mule is referencing.
Alloak - we know you are opposed to health insurance. You admitted not having it for years. You are probably currently breaking the law and not carrying health insurance now. Don't worry. The American tax payer will be there to pay for your next emergency room visit.
This did come up on the Washington Post site as a Republican replacement for Obamacare:
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Little Billy needs to learn how to do research. Here is the link to the actual poll:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-marks-lovehate-view-affordable-care-act/story?id=31566116
You should learn to read. The people are against the individual mandate, but support some parts of the law. From your link:
In spite of majority opposition overall, however, 55 percent think the Supreme Court should not block federal subsidies that help some low and moderate income Americans pay for their health insurance. Many fewer, 38 percent, would like to see the Court strike down those subsidies.
Seventy-seven percent of the ACA’s supporters want the Court to rule in favor of keeping the subsidies. But even among opponents of the law overall, this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, finds that four in 10 favor keeping the subsidy system as it stands.
While that may sound contradictory, it’s in fact consistent with longstanding research about views of the ACA. Ask about it overall, and people respond chiefly on the basis of the individual mandate, which is broadly unpopular. Ask about individual elements – such as extending coverage to low-income Americans who’d otherwise lack it – and support is much higher. The challenge is that one relies on the other.
I just searched the Washington Post site for "Obamacare". I didn't find the poll that Mule is referencing.
Alloak - we know you are opposed to health insurance. You admitted not having it for years. You are probably currently breaking the law and not carrying health insurance now. Don't worry. The American tax payer will be there to pay for your next emergency room visit.
This did come up on the Washington Post site as a Republican replacement for Obamacare:
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Little Billy needs to learn how to do research. Here is the link to the actual poll:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/poll-marks-lovehate-view-affordable-care-act/story?id=31566116
You should learn to read. The people are against the individual mandate, but support some parts of the law. From your link:
In spite of majority opposition overall, however, 55 percent think the Supreme Court should not block federal subsidies that help some low and moderate income Americans pay for their health insurance. Many fewer, 38 percent, would like to see the Court strike down those subsidies.
Seventy-seven percent of the ACA’s supporters want the Court to rule in favor of keeping the subsidies. But even among opponents of the law overall, this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, finds that four in 10 favor keeping the subsidy system as it stands.
While that may sound contradictory, it’s in fact consistent with longstanding research about views of the ACA. Ask about it overall, and people respond chiefly on the basis of the individual mandate, which is broadly unpopular. Ask about individual elements – such as extending coverage to low-income Americans who’d otherwise lack it – and support is much higher. The challenge is that one relies on the other.
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“support some parts of the law”
No kidding. The parts that almost everyone supports are the same parts that both political parties support.
Some parts do not make a workable law which is why the majority of Americans are against Obamacare.
Obama is now playing yet another political game with the people’s healthcare. First he says The Supreme Court should have never taken up the matter currently before it. Then he and his mouthpieces are saying if the court rules against Obamacare the matter is now The Congresses problem.
Obama and the Democrats wrote this piece of crap bill exclusively and refused to allow Republicans to participate. Then they wouldn’t let anyone read the bill before demanding a vote.
Obama lied repeatedly about the “cost savings” which are now turning out to be non-existent and will actually cost the people and the nation trillions.
Obama mage 37 distinct lies to sell this bill and included 21 new taxes. Companies offering health insurance to their employees is at the lowest level in recorded history which has forced hundreds of thousands of people to sign up for the very poor coverage of Obamacare.
While everyone is waiting for the court to rule, the liberals are all screaming “where is the Republican plan” over and over.
That just shows how stupid the left is.
No one would publish a plan before the court rules. To do so without knowing how the court rules and the specifics of the ruling any pre-emptive plan would be foolish.
Add to this fiasco is the fact that the Obama administration has no backup plan. Nothing and they readily admit that.
Watch what happens next. Not too long ago all the Democrats were saying how great Chief Judge John Roberts was for the ruling on fining people who don’t buy a healthcare plan. The court ruled against fines but that Obama could levy a tax.
Let’s see how the Democrats react next.
Alloak - we know you are opposed to health insurance. You admitted not having it for years. You are probably currently breaking the law and not carrying health insurance now. Don't worry. The American tax payer will be there to pay for your next emergency room visit.
Correct. I didn't have health insurance for many years and never needed it anyway. It wasn't against the law not to have insurance. However, I signed up by the deadline when the government made it mandatory and still haven't needed it. I haven't broken any laws or burdened the system in any way.
Speaking of the emergency room. Wasn't Obamacare supposed to decrease the number of these costly visits? Obamacare supporters said it would, but it hasn't happened. Emergency room usage is up since the laws passage. Another lie for Obamacare.
