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What do you think of that?
Hopefully the Republicans will leverage this Supreme Court ruling as a means to stop pandering to their conservative base and work with the Dems in congress and the President to IMPROVE the faults within the current Affordable Care Act to improve our health care delivery system.
But of course that would mean taking actions to improve things for their constituents and not necessarily themselves.....That is too say it probably won't happen. 🙁
Hopefully the Republicans will leverage this Supreme Court ruling as a means to stop pandering to their conservative base and work with the Dems in congress and the President to IMPROVE the faults within the current Affordable Care Act to improve our health care delivery system.
But of course that would mean taking actions to improve things for their constituents and not necessarily themselves.....That is too say it probably won't happen. 🙁
Wishful thinking Chain! Never gonna happen. The GOP will fight this until the end.
The 2016 GOP hopefuls are lined up to repeal it. Thank goodness they're looking to do something new for a change. 😛
Here's all one really needs to know about today's events...
Big winner from Obamacare ruling: Health care stocks
Those in the know vote with their dollars, and they know this will continue the govt/healthcare cronyism that soaks the citizens and taxpayers for more of their earnings, while politicians enjoy expanded influence - with the inevitable power, privilege, and contributions that will bring.
Another triumph for Washington!
Here's all one really needs to know about today's events...
Big winner from Obamacare ruling: Health care stocks
Those in the know vote with their dollars, and they know this will continue the govt/healthcare cronyism that soaks the citizens and taxpayers for more of their earnings, while politicians enjoy expanded influence - with the inevitable power, privilege, and contributions that will bring.
Another triumph for Washington!
Thanks to Chief Justice Roberts nominated by George Bush, I made some good $$$$ today, as I've been over weighted in the Health Care Sector for a while. Fuji, isn't this part of the American way - for individuals to grow their investments? Is that a problem?
Contrary to your statement, I for one, don't vote with my dollars. I've stated before my primary criteria is social values.
Here's all one really needs to know about today's events...
Big winner from Obamacare ruling: Health care stocks
Those in the know vote with their dollars, and they know this will continue the govt/healthcare cronyism that soaks the citizens and taxpayers for more of their earnings, while politicians enjoy expanded influence - with the inevitable power, privilege, and contributions that will bring.
Another triumph for Washington!
Thanks to Chief Justice Roberts nominated by George Bush, I made some good $$$$ today, as I've been over weighted in the Health Care Sector for a while. Fuji, isn't this part of the American way - for individuals to grow their investments? Is that a problem?
Contrary to your statement, I for one, don't vote with my dollars. I've stated before my primary criteria is social values.
Fujirich measures everything in dollars. Concern for his fellow man is non existant in his world.
Here's all one really needs to know about today's events...
Big winner from Obamacare ruling: Health care stocks
Those in the know vote with their dollars, and they know this will continue the govt/healthcare cronyism that soaks the citizens and taxpayers for more of their earnings, while politicians enjoy expanded influence - with the inevitable power, privilege, and contributions that will bring.
Another triumph for Washington!
Thanks to Chief Justice Roberts nominated by George Bush, I made some good $$$$ today, as I've been over weighted in the Health Care Sector for a while. Fuji, isn't this part of the American way - for individuals to grow their investments? Is that a problem?
Contrary to your statement, I for one, don't vote with my dollars. I've stated before my primary criteria is social values.
Fujirich measures everything in dollars. Concern for his fellow man is non existant in his world.
A monumentally ignorant statement since rates and deductibles have done nothing but go up on everyone who pays - contrary to the President's sales pitch - since the law was instituted.
The biggest problem with coverage was and remains cost. If you care about the ability of the nation to provide care for all, then cost must be at the center of that concern. Not caring about that is the ultimate eff-you to your fellow man.
Gruber nailed you all perfectly, and you still can't see it. This is a partnership between govt and the insurers, in the ongoing conversion of free-market capitalism to crony corporatism, where the profits are ensured at the taxpayers expense and the politicians expand their power. And you think I don't care about my fellow man? Amazing!
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What do you think of that?
Surprise, surprise...
This is a partnership between govt and the insurers, in the ongoing conversion of free-market capitalism to crony corporatism, where the profits are ensured at the taxpayers expense and the politicians expand their power.
Socialize cost and risk, privatize profits.......
This is a partnership between govt and the insurers, in the ongoing conversion of free-market capitalism to crony corporatism, where the profits are ensured at the taxpayers expense and the politicians expand their power.
No doubt about it. I agree 100%. But maybe we should stop calling it "Obamacare", since both sides seem to support its growth.
Yes, costs controls are a major shortcoming of the Affordable Care Act. However, the Republicans could introduce legislation tomorrow requiring drug costs be negotiated by the government (exactly as the VA has done for years) and also requiring cost caps similar to how Medicare already is required by law and has been doing for years.
Why do I think such a thing will never happen as long as the Republicans can instead continue to threaten too repeal the entire act simply as a means for political gain amongst their base? I must be a total cynic... 😛
[Edited on 6/27/2015 by Chain]
This is a partnership between govt and the insurers, in the ongoing conversion of free-market capitalism to crony corporatism, where the profits are ensured at the taxpayers expense and the politicians expand their power.
agree in part.
crony corporatism by no means begins or ends with Obamacare. The GOP seem to be quite good at it.
The main purpose of ACA was to reduce the number of people in this country who don't have health insurance - a laudable goal and one that the law has largely achieved.
Yes, premiums / deductibles have gone up. I would argue that trend started long before ACA.
For those of you who think that insurers, hospitals, and the govt are in cahoots : Insurance companies are squeezing doctors and hospitals more now too - more prior authorizations required, more refusal of coverage of certain meds and procedures. This also is a trend that started well before ACA and is related to increasing financial pressure.
The major shortcoming of ACA imo is that it didn't address cost adequately.
it this way more-so before ACA, if you had pre-existing conditions you were S.O.L. millions were not insured, getting sick could cost you everything you worked hard for all your life.
They weren't SOL, they went to the emergency room, which they're still doing. The law enabled some previously uninsured to get coverage but they can't afford to use it. We were told these costly visits would decrease with the passage of the law. Wrong. Emergency room visits are UP since the laws passage.
Nothing has changed on your second claim either. Getting sick could still cost you everything you've worked hard for all your life. Birth control pills, flu shots, ect are covered. Catastrophic care, not so much. It should be the opposite.
Hopefully the Republicans will leverage this Supreme Court ruling as a means to stop pandering to their conservative base and work with the Dems in congress and the President to IMPROVE the faults within the current Affordable Care Act to improve our health care delivery system.
Attempts were made by the GOP when it mattered, (when the law was being written) and got the door slammed in their face. Who knows, maybe we could have gotten a better bill that actually started to address costs. Now they should come in clean up the mess?
This is the Democrats baby 100% and they made that bed.
[Edited on 6/27/2015 by alloak41]
Hopefully the Republicans will leverage this Supreme Court ruling as a means to stop pandering to their conservative base and work with the Dems in congress and the President to IMPROVE the faults within the current Affordable Care Act to improve our health care delivery system.
Attempts were made by the GOP when it mattered, (when the law was being written) and got the door slammed in their face. Who knows, maybe we could have gotten a better bill that actually started to address costs. Now they should come in clean up the mess?
This is the Democrats baby 100% and they made that bed.
Your last sentence illustrates exactly what is the problem with the partisan politics that is destroying the nation....Both sides whine and throw a temper tantrum when they don't get their way and then refuse to compromise. Like a bunch a children in the sandbox fighting over the Tonka Toy dump truck...
As far the ACA being a mess, it's certainly not perfect but it has improved things greatly for millions of people and could be even better if a certain party would end their tantrum and suggest and introduce bills that could improve it. Fortunately, Republican and Democratic leaders are working together at the state level to do just that...
Hopefully the Republicans will leverage this Supreme Court ruling as a means to stop pandering to their conservative base and work with the Dems in congress and the President to IMPROVE the faults within the current Affordable Care Act to improve our health care delivery system.
Attempts were made by the GOP when it mattered, (when the law was being written) and got the door slammed in their face. Who knows, maybe we could have gotten a better bill that actually started to address costs. Now they should come in clean up the mess?
This is the Democrats baby 100% and they made that bed.
Your last sentence illustrates exactly what is the problem with the partisan politics that is destroying the nation....Both sides whine and throw a temper tantrum when they don't get their way and then refuse to compromise. Like a bunch a children in the sandbox fighting over the Tonka Toy dump truck...
As far the ACA being a mess, it's certainly not perfect but it has improved things greatly for millions of people and could be even better if a certain party would end their tantrum and suggest and introduce bills that could improve it. Fortunately, Republican and Democratic leaders are working together at the state level to do just that...
Maybe the better time for bi-partisanship and compromise is when bills are actually being written and both sides have input, rather than calling for those things when it's time to clean up a mess. That's what I'm saying.
There was no "bi-partisanship" when this bill was being hammered out, and no Democrats were complaining about the lack of compromise at that time. Why weren't you complaining then, when it really mattered?
the lack of bipartisanship at the time ACA was written was - well - bipartisan.
Neither side wanted to work with the other on this bill or anything else of importance when it comes to domestic policy. Both sides are to blame
as far as people without insurance prior to ACA, they were SOL. They went to the ED and got huge bills. When they had chronic illnesses (cancer, diabetes,heart disease) they either didn't get care or if they did, then they got huge bills. People had to choose between food and meds. People had to sell cars and houses.
Yes, I have seen that all with my own eyes.
ACA addresses that
Hopefully the Republicans will leverage this Supreme Court ruling as a means to stop pandering to their conservative base and work with the Dems in congress and the President to IMPROVE the faults within the current Affordable Care Act to improve our health care delivery system.
Attempts were made by the GOP when it mattered, (when the law was being written) and got the door slammed in their face. Who knows, maybe we could have gotten a better bill that actually started to address costs. Now they should come in clean up the mess?
This is the Democrats baby 100% and they made that bed.
Your last sentence illustrates exactly what is the problem with the partisan politics that is destroying the nation....Both sides whine and throw a temper tantrum when they don't get their way and then refuse to compromise. Like a bunch a children in the sandbox fighting over the Tonka Toy dump truck...
As far the ACA being a mess, it's certainly not perfect but it has improved things greatly for millions of people and could be even better if a certain party would end their tantrum and suggest and introduce bills that could improve it. Fortunately, Republican and Democratic leaders are working together at the state level to do just that...
Maybe the better time for bi-partisanship and compromise is when bills are actually being written and both sides have input, rather than calling for those things when it's time to clean up a mess. That's what I'm saying.
There was no "bi-partisanship" when this bill was being hammered out, and no Democrats were complaining about the lack of compromise at that time. Why weren't you complaining then, when it really mattered?
I know what your saying.....I'm simply making the observation, and not a complaint, that Republicans lost and they should get over it and move forward rather than continue wasting everyone's time with the continued attempts to repeal the law when they know they can't. Instead, since they now control Congress, introduce legislation that improves the bill. On other issues the Dems should do the same.
There was time, not all that long ago, when this is how Washington worked.
Hopefully the Republicans will leverage this Supreme Court ruling as a means to stop pandering to their conservative base and work with the Dems in congress and the President to IMPROVE the faults within the current Affordable Care Act to improve our health care delivery system.
Attempts were made by the GOP when it mattered, (when the law was being written) and got the door slammed in their face. Who knows, maybe we could have gotten a better bill that actually started to address costs. Now they should come in clean up the mess?
This is the Democrats baby 100% and they made that bed.
Your last sentence illustrates exactly what is the problem with the partisan politics that is destroying the nation....Both sides whine and throw a temper tantrum when they don't get their way and then refuse to compromise. Like a bunch a children in the sandbox fighting over the Tonka Toy dump truck...
As far the ACA being a mess, it's certainly not perfect but it has improved things greatly for millions of people and could be even better if a certain party would end their tantrum and suggest and introduce bills that could improve it. Fortunately, Republican and Democratic leaders are working together at the state level to do just that...
Maybe the better time for bi-partisanship and compromise is when bills are actually being written and both sides have input, rather than calling for those things when it's time to clean up a mess. That's what I'm saying.
There was no "bi-partisanship" when this bill was being hammered out, and no Democrats were complaining about the lack of compromise at that time. Why weren't you complaining then, when it really mattered?
But this is a bill that was passed through gridlock. After saying for some time now that gridlock was the way things are supposed to work, you chide the Dems for not seeking input into the bill? Actually, they did ask for input and the GOP refused to do so.
Pope Francis to the chagrin of Republican presidential candidates is an activist Pope and he is getting ready for a World tour which includes the US during the debate season. Although his Encyclical on global warming has got the most attention, Pope Francis has also written an apostolic exhortation on the poor, inequality and the right to universal health care.
Pope Francis launched a broadside against inequality and out-of-control capitalism in a 84-page document released Tuesday.
In what is known as an “apostolic exhortation,” which means communication from the Pope of the Catholic Church, Francis called on politicians to guarantee “dignified work, education and healthcare” to their citizens and also criticized the “idolatry of money,” according to Reuters. Francis “beg[ged] the Lord” to deliver politicians who were more concerned with the poor and inequality.
Francis blasted the current economic system as one that is profoundly unequal.
“Just as the commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' sets a clear limit in order to safeguard the value of human life, today we also have to say 'thou shalt not' to an economy of exclusion and inequality. Such an economy kills,” the Pope wrote. “As long as the problems of the poor are not radically resolved by rejecting the absolute autonomy of markets and financial speculation and by attacking the structural causes of inequality, no solution will be found for the world's problems or, for that matter, to any problems.”
http://www.alternet.org/pope-francis-inequality-and-capitalism
My money is on Pope Francis. I think what the display of genuine Christianity in Charleston, South Carolina did was scare Republican leaders into realizing they were on the wrong side of the religious fence and they better reenlist. Hence the abrupt effort-which I totally applaud--in getting rid of divisive symbols even if this tramped on a lot of conservative feelings.
In the last six presidential elections only one candidate has won the election without winning the Catholic vote. Al Gore won the election in 2000 without the Catholic vote but never became president.
Attempts were made by the GOP when it mattered, (when the law was being written) and got the door slammed in their face. Who knows, maybe we could have gotten a better bill that actually started to address costs. Now they should come in clean up the mess?
This is the Democrats baby 100% and they made that bed.
Your last sentence illustrates exactly what is the problem with the partisan politics that is destroying the nation....Both sides whine and throw a temper tantrum when they don't get their way and then refuse to compromise. Like a bunch a children in the sandbox fighting over the Tonka Toy dump truck...
As far the ACA being a mess, it's certainly not perfect but it has improved things greatly for millions of people and could be even better if a certain party would end their tantrum and suggest and introduce bills that could improve it. Fortunately, Republican and Democratic leaders are working together at the state level to do just that...
Maybe the better time for bi-partisanship and compromise is when bills are actually being written and both sides have input, rather than calling for those things when it's time to clean up a mess. That's what I'm saying.
There was no "bi-partisanship" when this bill was being hammered out, and no Democrats were complaining about the lack of compromise at that time. Why weren't you complaining then, when it really mattered?
But this is a bill that was passed through gridlock.
After saying for some time now that gridlock was the way things are supposed to work, you chide the Dems for not seeking input into the bill?
Actually, they did ask for input and the GOP refused to do so.
1. Gridlock is a non-factor unless you have the votes, otherwise it can't exist. This bill was not "passed through gridlock." It passed because the GOP didn't have the votes to stop it. That's the opposite of gridlock.
2. When people complain about gridlock I've said that the government was designed for gridlock. I disagree when folks say that the government is not working and point to gridlock. The opposite is true. Gridlock is proof that the government IS working the way it was designed. It's not supposed to be easy to pass legislation.
3. I don't remember it that way at all. The Republicans had absolutely zero power at the time. Why ask a non-factor with no votes for input, much less include anything they want in a bill? Only the most massive piece of legislation ever, but other than that no reason to.
I remember the non-stop charade that the GOP had no plan, no ideas and it went on month after month......No plan, no ideas....We even went through it here. No less than a dozen times I listed a few ideas or a link or two for discussion and seven minutes later someone would make another GOP has "no ideas" post. I finally just gave up. The lie had taken hold.
It was all over the cable chatter for months on end as well, Democrats repeating over and over that the Republicans didn't have any ideas....No plan, no ideas.....But the lie had gotten too much traction to give up now. Obviously, it became apparent that it was more important to smear the GOP than work to get a better bill.
The GOP had ideas, but in the end nothing the Republicans suggested made it into the bill anyway. Might have resulted in a more effective piece of legislation, but there was simply no reason to do so.
Why isn't the GOP doing anything to fix it now?
You can already imagine where this is going. Despite the fact that there is not one Republican fingerprint on this thing, it's their fault because they didn't fix it. I mean, how else would you expect it to go?
Except that it was designed by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by Romney - but no republicant fingerprints anywhere.......
Except that it was designed by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by Romney - but no republicant fingerprints anywhere.......
So Obama enacted the same failed program that was a fiscal train wreck in Massachusetts? Brilliant. But now that he's done that, any problems with Obamacare are the Heritage Foundations fault.
Shocking.
Actually, the legislature enacts laws.......
Except that it was designed by the Heritage Foundation and implemented by Romney - but no republicant fingerprints anywhere.......
So Obama enacted the same failed program that was a fiscal train wreck in Massachusetts? Brilliant. But now that he's done that, any problems with Obamacare are the Heritage Foundations fault.
Shocking.
except that it's not a fiscal train wreck in MA
and, the main reason the GOP is against it is because the Dems proposed it. It was after all, their plan in the first place
[Edited on 6/29/2015 by stormyrider]
