Hey, if Derek wants to be a boring leader instead of rock and roller, that is cool with me. I just won't see him as much.
Did you miss the Halloween show where Derek wore Angus Young's school boy outfit and Gene Simmons makeup? Mike was dressed up as a backup singer who was thrilled to not be in a van playing a bar.
it's all Clapton's fault
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Say what you want, TTB is a VERY safe band that does little improvisational work and many structured covers. It is very generic and unoriginal in my opinion. There is a ton of talent in the band but Susan gets way too much of the limelight. Mike should be singing at least a quarter of the songs instead of standing in the corner in a backup role.
when was the last show you listened to? If it was before 2015, or even before the Beacon this year, you should listen again.
even in their heyday, bands like the Grateful Dead and the original ABB played a fair number of structured songs and covers. They didn't jam out every song - I would say the vast majority of songs were songs without jams on any given night
If you don't like Susan, just don't listen. She's not going to retire from this band or get asked to leave.
[Edited on 12/20/2015 by stormyrider]
Hey, if Derek wants to be a boring leader instead of rock and roller, that is cool with me. I just won't see him as much.
That's hilarious. Derek is anything but a boring leader, unless you equate "skilled" with "boring". But please, stay away, stay far, far away. Tickets are getting scarce for these gigs. I damn sure don't want anyone in that space harshing my mellow.
Did you miss the Halloween show where Derek wore Angus Young's school boy outfit and Gene Simmons makeup? Mike was dressed up as a backup singer who was thrilled to not be in a van playing a bar.
The last time I saw DTB they were playing a small club in New Jersey on halloween. I'd heard Derek and the band had visited Walmart that day to get their costumes. Derek was dressed as a NASCAR driver. They used giant stick puppets as props. I can't remember the year or the town but the show was great.
I'm very, very happy to have had that experience. I'm even happier to be able to see TTB with decent regularity. I'm in a spot where I've caught them about a half dozen times in both 2014 and 2015. I'm starting 2016 with three shows at the Warner and hope to catch several more during the year. I don't know if they will be playing Lockn' this year, but I'm strongly considering taking the train to NYC if they play the Beacon in the Fall.
You are welcome to your opinion TRMGDEAD. Good on ya! I appreciate you keeping your negative vibes far, far away from the power and the glory of the TTB.
harshing my mellow.
I like larnin' stuff. 😛 😉
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-har2.htm
Harsh one’s mellow
Q From Pierre Garon, Canada: I read in the newspaper the following sentence: ‘And if that is not enough to harsh his mellow, his pal wades in about making the rent and getting his act together’. I make a wild guess that harsh one’s mellow might mean to ‘harry one some more’ but it might be a case where your lights are needed.
A You’re pretty much there. Don’t harsh my mellow is American slang, meaning variously and roughly “don’t treat me badly”, “don’t get on my nerves”, “don’t make life difficult for me”, roughly the same as buzzkill in phrases like “don’t be such a buzzkill”. It’s a development of US campus slang, in which in the 1980s harsh became a verb in the sense of “to mistreat”, “to be very unfair to”.
The longer expression seems to have originally been West Coast drug and hacker slang of the middle 1990s. It became more widely known in 1997 when it turned up in The Online Adventures of Ozzie the Elf on ABC television. When Ozzie is criticised by an elf in Santa’s workshop, he says, “Don’t harsh my mellow”. Since then, as you’ve discovered, it has begun to appear from time to time in mainstream newspapers and magazines; I’ve seen it in Time magazine and also in the issue of Fortune for March 2003: “That guy really harshes my mellow, and I don’t appreciate it”. However, it has not yet become, and may never become, a common slang term in the USA.
Mellow here was presumably at first a reference to that gentle high one gets during a drug trip but may well now have been modified to refer to any comfortable feeling of being at ease. To harsh it is to introduce a jarring or discordant note, usually because you’re being criticised or leaned on by some figure of authority.
Don't marsh my mallow!
Maybe Derek has a fever and the only cure is cowbell.
Nothing safe about a guitar hero becoming a bandleader and songwriter. Plenty of guitar heroes can't do it.
I agree with this statement of Jim's. Derek has certainly taken a risk by moving away from what he is best known for to to something different. It's even riskier to do it touring with band of 11 members, especially in the current musical economy.
That said, I would prefer to see him take the risks as a guitar player rather than a band leader.
My only complaint with the TTB is when I see setlist where the covers outnumber the originals. Hopefully with a new album coming out that will happen less often.
Let's compare:
A nice looong set by the ABB at their peak.
Of 16 songs, NINE are covers!
Mar 20, 1971 (Sat) The Allman Brothers Band
1.Statesboro Blues
2.Trouble No More
3 . Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4.Done Somebody Wrong
5.One Way Out
6. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
7. Midnight Rider
8.Hoochie Coochie Man
9. Hot 'Lanta
10. Revival
11.Stormy Monday
12.Don't Want You No More
13. It's Not My Cross To Bear
14.You Don't Love Me
15. Whipping Post
16.Mountain Jam
TTB: 2/21/2015
EIGHT covers.
1 Are You Ready
(Sly & The Family Stone cover)
2 Made Up Min
3 Anyhow
4 It's So Heavy
5 Don't Miss Me
(The Derek Trucks Band cover)
6 Midnight in Harlem
7 The Sky Is Crying
(Elmore James cover)
8 More and More
(Little Milton cover)
9 Leaving Trunk
(Taj Mahal cover) (Acoustic)
10 Don't Think Twice, It's All Right
(Bob Dylan cover) (Acoustic with Derek Trucks off stage)
11 Learn How to Love
12 Idle Wind
(Included Drum Solo)
13 The Storm
Encore:
14 Bound for Glory (with Ron Holloway)
15 Fire and Rain
(James Taylor cover) (with Ron Holloway)
16 Space Captain
(Joe Cocker cover) (with Ron Holloway) (link to video from front row
Looks to me like the Derek apple didn't fall too far from the ABB tree. Although, given that ABB played very much the same set list thorughout 71, I would have to call their setlist "SAFE".
TTB does rock out and take on new ground. Kebbi, Kofi in particular along with Derek. No, they don't jam out the whole evening. They *are* really tight. Remember the ABB toyed with adding horns. I can easily see Duane sliding over into a big horn band like TTB for a run of shows, bet he would have had a blast doing it. Derek doesn't play the same stuff every night. Todd wasn't picked for TTB. Anyone know why? He lost out x2.
peace out. nice to see this didn't turn into and endless thread of Susan haters.
[Edited on 12/21/2015 by WaitinForRain]
I still say I would love to hear Derek do a blues album with another great guitar player.
"I think Derek just wants to distance himself from the ABB stuff right now in part to not burn out on it and probably in part to let there be a little bit of value in that being their final shows. We are barely a year out of the last shows, he's still sitting in with members of the band from time to time but apparently doesn't want to feel the pressure of saying no if they are all on the same festival at once.
[Edited on 12/16/2015 by WarEagleRK] "
^^^This.
Three years out from this coming Spring we could see a 50th Anniversary show(s) at the Beacon and if we do see something like that happen my bet is both Derek and Warren are part of it. There is a big difference between getting together for a special event(s) to pay homage to the institution versus firing up the band as a going concern. Derek and Warren would likely do the former but not the latter.
As for the TTB, whether it runs its course like the DTB or whether it has lifetime legs remains to be seen. Derek is now more fully engaging and developing other aspects of being a rounded musician beyond the fretwork and obviously enjoying the hell out of it. I'm very happy for the man and very grateful for his years of stellar service in keeping the Bros music alive. Parts of the matter inside my skull are still melted from his work in that regard. I agree with others that we will have ample opportunity in the future to see him unleash many solos in a more jam-oriented setting, let's see where the road ahead goes.
Happy Holidays to Everyone!
Derek is the best guitar player on the planet and my favorite player by a mile. He is also a very nice person from my interactions with him. I just feel that he is really limited in terms of what he is able to do in the TTB. Seeing him trade solos with Warren on Keep on Growing at the Christmas Jam was incredible and it reminded me of the "old" days.
It is very interesting to hear opinions that Derek is now limiting himself in the TTB when if you asked him I believe he would say the opposite is true. Particularly when contrasted against his ABB role.
It is very interesting to hear opinions that Derek is now limiting himself in the TTB when if you asked him I believe he would say the opposite is true. Particularly when contrasted against his ABB role.
I think that many of us feel that he needs to open up a bit. Jimi Hendrix with the Isley Brothers was good but Jimi Hendrix with the Experience was greater
Of course, Jimi Hendrix felt he had gone as far as he could with the Experience, and moved on to start a new band, the Band of Gypsies, to get more funk and r'n'b into his world.....
I liked seeing the clip of Derek with Warren too. They clearly have a great bond. However, when they played together, there was (and maybe still is) the tendency for them to always conclude the soloing/ jam with the two of them doing the same old thing: doing the Big Guitar Ending That Involves Hitting The High Notes While Playing As Fast As Possible. It's like "Freebird." It is cathartic, especially live, and it always gets a roar from the crowd, but I've heard it too many times. I preferred hearing the TTB do that song without Warren a few weeks back, just having Derek steer it following his own muse.
TRMGDEAD - You have an opinion. Good for you. You made your point. What you haven't done is giving any indication as to why your opinion should matter to anyone but yourself. How many times have you seen TTB? How many times have you seen DTB? How many shows a year do you go see on average of all your preferred bands? Do you have any musical training?
When you say "many of us feel that he needs to open up a bit." Who are you talking about?
Personally I feel you have an unsophisticated musical palette and have not experienced the multi faceted and dynamic approach of TTB.
When was the last time you went to one of their shows?
Why is it always "What's wrong with Derek?" Warren left too.
if anything, I think TTB jams too much. I'd love Bound for Glory at 6-7 minutes instead of 14 minutes with a keys>drums>keys solo. But the full band build ups in stuff like the The Storm, or the transformation of "skippable" album tunes like Idle Wind into fist pumping ragers makes me wonder what TTB shows folks are seeing when they say TTB doesn't improvise enough.
If you're longing for a return of the ABB, in the hopes of Derek returning to the stage with a "less generic" band...then...my goodness, what's more generic than a band playing the same setlist for 40 years?
As for Derek's choice to depart, consider that he joined the Allman Brothers at 18? 19? and was "destined" for that role for a decade prior to that. He's probably spent a greater percentage of his life on the road as a member of the Allman Brothers than Gregg or Butch has. At least those guys took a decade off here & there, Derek was all in.
As for Derek's choice to depart, consider that he joined the Allman Brothers at 18? 19? and was "destined" for that role for a decade prior to that. He's probably spent a greater percentage of his life on the road as a member of the Allman Brothers than Gregg or Butch has. At least those guys took a decade off here & there, Derek was all in.
Great point.
Plus you can't sit idle in your prime. That advice comes straight from Clapton. It was the part of the same reason that Warren and Woody left the first time.
Derek has a long career left and is fully in his prime. Gregg and the boys were/are just lazy and the studio held no interest. Criminal that we didn't get at least 3 studio albums during their tenure with the band. But it was time to think of himself. Good for him. He did the same with the DTB. Decided that it wasn't his future.
Clapton does not get enough credit/blame for some of the changes in Derek's career. His influence of timing and tightening of songs was immediate on Derek.
Derek is the best guitar player on the planet and my favorite player by a mile. He is also a very nice person from my interactions with him. I just feel that he is really limited in terms of what he is able to do in the TTB. Seeing him trade solos with Warren on Keep on Growing at the Christmas Jam was incredible and it reminded me of the "old" days.
which old days?
listen to him trade solos with Kofi, just like he did with DTB?
Derek is doing great for himself.
My only complaint with the TTB is when I see setlist where the covers outnumber the originals. Hopefully with a new album coming out that will happen less often.
Let's compare:
A nice looong set by the ABB at their peak.
Of 16 songs, NINE are covers![Edited on 12/21/2015 by WaitinForRain]
Good point, I guess what I meant was I'm hoping for less Mad Dogs and Englishmen covers. I think that they have over done that. They do a great job with those covers but with the talent in this band I'm hoping quality originals replace them.
TTB is held back because Susan cannot play at the same level as Derek. The TTB fluffers on here are hilarious.
TRMGDEAD - You have an opinion. Good for you. You made your point. What you haven't done is giving any indication as to why your opinion should matter to anyone but yourself. How many times have you seen TTB? How many times have you seen DTB? How many shows a year do you go see on average of all your preferred bands? Do you have any musical training?
When you say "many of us feel that he needs to open up a bit." Who are you talking about?
Personally I feel you have an unsophisticated musical palette and have not experienced the multi faceted and dynamic approach of TTB.
When was the last time you went to one of their shows?
You got me. I have no musical training. You are a clown. Just because you disagree with me does not make me unqualified in terms of what I have heard musically.
TTB is held back because Susan cannot play at the same level as Derek. The TTB fluffers on here are hilarious.
And Mike cannot sing as well as Susan so we have the TTB and the DTB is no more. Four years later, the Derek trolling is getting pretty old.
TTB is held back because Susan cannot play at the same level as Derek. The TTB fluffers on here are hilarious.
And Mike cannot sing as well as Susan so we have the TTB and the DTB is no more. Four years later, the Derek trolling is getting pretty old.
Obvious troll is usually obviously obvious. 😉 😛
Nothing holds Derek back, silly. When he wants to go off, she just lays back. On certain songs, she does not even play.
However, when she does play, she comes at it from a totally different space.
When Derek and Warren went toe to toe, Derek would end up going into the Warren zone, playing stuff more in the typical classic rock vein because that is what Warren does. Freebird again. Diddley diddley diddley.
Susan plays so differently that that doesnt happen.
When is the last time you've seen a full TTB show?
TRMGDEAD - You have an opinion. Good for you. You made your point. What you haven't done is giving any indication as to why your opinion should matter to anyone but yourself. How many times have you seen TTB? How many times have you seen DTB? How many shows a year do you go see on average of all your preferred bands? Do you have any musical training?
When you say "many of us feel that he needs to open up a bit." Who are you talking about?
Personally I feel you have an unsophisticated musical palette and have not experienced the multi faceted and dynamic approach of TTB.
When was the last time you went to one of their shows?
You got me. I have no musical training. You are a clown. Just because you disagree with me does not make me unqualified in terms of what I have heard musically.
Kudos for not losing your cool and continuing to be polite. That's not easy for someone with no musical training and an unsophisticated musical palette. I probably suffer from the same shortcomings, but at least now I can understand why I have difficulty appreciating the TTB.
We've been telling you what is wrong with you for years now. 😉
It is the same in both directions. People who love the DTB are telling others that enjoy the TTB that it is inferior somehow. I like them both so don't have the issues some others have I guess.
But the tone of the debates has improved over time. Also some of you guys just came to accept it and move on which is pretty logical seeing as Derek moved on long ago.
These two threads have become just a trolling taunt to see who will take the bait. Not sure what the point is but what the hell.
When the forum only gets 10 posts a day in the Anything Goes section then any posts are good I guess. If you like him then it makes sense to wish him well. If the TTB isn't your thing then that's cool. Lots of other music to listen to.
Heard the new song Let Me Get By today on Jam On. Really liked the song and can't wait for the new album.
