Up until 2009 the players did not take the field until after the Anthem, solution? Return to that standard. No protests, no one is offended and fans do not have to be faced with political B.S. on a Sunday afternoon.
That is not correct. The only change in 2009 was evening games. Players had always been on the field for your Sunday afternoon games and starting in 2009 they also were for the prime time games.
I stand corrected.
Keep them off the field until the Anthem is finished or they can act like grown men
I can't help but wonder how many in the NFL would choose to take a knee if confronted with this little chunk of reality?
Up until 2009 the players did not take the field until after the Anthem, solution? Return to that standard. No protests, no one is offended and fans do not have to be faced with political B.S. on a Sunday afternoon.
That is not correct. The only change in 2009 was evening games. Players had always been on the field for your Sunday afternoon games and starting in 2009 they also were for the prime time games.
that can't be true as mike golic said when he played the players didn't even have to be on the field for the anthem. he made no mention of specific times the game were played
http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2017/09/geauga_sheriff_prohibits_deput.html
Geauga sheriff prohibits deputies from working Browns games over protest during anthem
CHARDON, Ohio -- The Geauga County Sheriff on Tuesday barred any of his deputies from working off-duty security at future Cleveland Browns games because of their protest during the national anthem.
Sheriff Scott A. Hildenbrand in a memo to his employees posted on Facebook said the Browns protest, which came in response to President Donald Trump's statements that NFL players who kneel during the national anthem should be fired, was "disrespectful" to veterans and police officers alike.
"I'm concerned when the main act stands in front of the crowd, before the game even starts, and commits a blatant disrespectful act towards our flag, our Country, our Veterans and our first responders," Hildenbrand's memo said. "If they do not have respect for us and our Country only bad things will come of that. We will not be a part of these activities."
Trump's comments about the protests drew condemnation from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and several team owners, including Jimmy and Dee Haslam.
At least 20 Browns players kneeled during the national anthem prior to Sunday's game in Indianapolis. Some Colts fans jeered the players. The league-wide protests started last season by Colin Kaepernick are in response to several social issues including racial inequality and police brutality. Those demonstrations have never directly targeted the flag or the U.S. military.
Hildenbrand wrote that he attended Sunday's game with friends and was upset by the protest and the league's response.
"The fact that the team owners and NFL Commissioner condone this activity very much upsets me," Hildenbrand wrote. "As far as I am concerned almost the entire league disrespected every veteran that ever fought or died for this Country. These protests are not about unity, unity was the other 70,000 fans that stood."
Hildenbrand also wrote that he's a season-ticket holder and will not attend Browns games the rest of the season.
It was the second time Browns players protested during the national anthem this season. Eleven players kneeled during the national anthem during a preseason game in Cleveland.
Police officers, firefighters and EMS workers dropped out of a pregame ceremony during the national anthem after the protests. The Browns, players and police officials later came up with a plan to have officers run out of the tunnel with the players and link arms with them during the national anthem.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
" These protests are not about unity, unity was with the other 70,000 fans that stood."
Amen Sir.
" These protests are not about unity, unity was with the other 70,000 fans that stood."
Amen Sir.
The fans' jobs and freedom weren't directly attacked by the President and called "sons of b1tches". Kneeling was old news until Trump needlessly dug it up. On Sunday, the players and owners were unified against him.
So let me see if I understand this:
A bunch of white people telling African American's how they should or shouldn't protest?
It's a protest of racial injustice, not an attack on the flag, the anthem or veterans.
It's non-violent, it's patriotic (protest is what our country was founded on) and it's most effective: don't believe me? Check out this thread, FB, the news, etc!!
Did I miss anything?
Up until 2009 the players did not take the field until after the Anthem, solution? Return to that standard. No protests, no one is offended and fans do not have to be faced with political B.S. on a Sunday afternoon.
i was going to say this exact same thing. what happened was the nfl actually thought more people would turn the game on earlier if the players were on the field for the anthem. they wanted more viewers and of course you can add some commercial breaks because of this
Not so sure this is true. Last year my son's Boy Scout Troop was chosen to be Color Guard during the Anthem prior the Jets/Seahawks game. Told family and friends to watch. It was never aired. The network went directly from the pregame show to the start of the game.
It's completely disrespectful, and is accomplishing nothing. It was so embarrassing watching the game from London on Sunday morning and seeing the kneeling. how about those who want to protest all wear a different color glove, or an arm band, etc. How about donating money or game checks to charities that educate people of their issues or concerns, or that actually do something. and why is this seem to only be going on in nfl? yes trump handled it wrong, and should stay out of it, but he's not wrong. I feel like were on the verge of nuclear war w N korea, maybe he should concentrate on that.
Not happening. The NFL would fine the players for uniform violations.
So let me see if I understand this:
A bunch of white people telling African American's how they should or shouldn't protest?It's a protest of racial injustice, not an attack on the flag, the anthem or veterans.
It's non-violent, it's patriotic (protest is what our country was founded on) and it's most effective: don't believe me? Check out this thread, FB, the news, etc!!
Did I miss anything?
Nope,...you got it....But you're not an angry white guy who feels so oppressed by his inability to use racial slurs freely because its demands "Political correctness"...when Political correctness is really just a hint at being civil!!!....We don't want to be civil...isn't that obvious by who got put in the office
I didn't like when Kap first did it....but after all the BS we've gone through with Trump....I'm all in for those who chose to express their view in probably one of the most non-violent ways you can....Taking a knee is usually a sign of respect...but I guess we forgot about that....how many times have you seen a player on the ground and guys on both sides on their knee in prayer......
How many of you were taught to kneel in prayer???....How many of you kneel at the casket of a loved one??....My family does....might not be what everyone does but kneeling is a sign of respect.....
Guys kneel in front of the woman they intend to marry when asking...is that a sign of disrespect??
It was a X-Green Beret that told them kneeling was a sign of respect
Here is what Eric Reid said about his support of Kap...
"After hours of careful consideration, and even a visit from Nate Boyer, a retired Green Beret and former N.F.L. player, we came to the conclusion that we should kneel, rather than sit, the next day during the anthem as a peaceful protest. We chose to kneel because it’s a respectful gesture. I remember thinking our posture was like a flag flown at half-mast to mark a tragedy."
You offend Jews if you say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy holidays."
You offend Catholics if you wear a hat in church.
You offend soldiers if you kneel during the anthem.
It's all political correctness, kids.
Work out this statement: "Men died to protect your right to exercise freedom of expression, so you better NOT exercise your freedom of expression."
You offend Jews if you say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy holidays."
You offend Catholics if you wear a hat in church.
You offend soldiers if you kneel during the anthem.
One of these is not like the other.
You offend Jews if you say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy holidays."
You offend Catholics if you wear a hat in church.
You offend soldiers if you kneel during the anthem.It's all political correctness, kids.
Work out this statement: "Men died to protect your right to exercise freedom of expression, so you better NOT exercise your freedom of expression."
I guess you didn't read that it was a veteran that told them to kneel because it was a sign of respect...How about the 97 year old WWII vet that took a knee...he wasn't offended....No only angry Trump supporters that don't want freedom of speech in a peaceful way....they prefer running over innocent women as a display of freedom of speech....
Interesting take on this. I think this group has a libertarian pov, fwiw
People burn the tickets they they already paid for to "boycott" the NFL because some players "disrespected" service members while they (the protesting players) all have explicitly said they mean no disrespect to service members.
Yet the same people support someone (Trump) who explicitly disrespected John McCain, who is a service member who endured five years of torture in a war that Trump dodged, to be the person who makes the decisions that put service members' lives at risk.
How is this a logical set of circumstances?
[Edited on 9/28/2017 by adhill58]
People burn the tickets they they already paid for to "boycott" the NFL because some players "disrespected" service members while they (the protesting players) all have explicitly said they mean no disrespect to service members.
Yet the same people support someone (Trump) who explicitly disrespected John McCain, who is a service member who endured five years of torture in a war that Trump dodged, to be the person who makes the decisions that put service members' lives at risk.
How is this a logical set of circumstances?
Agreed. How about this:
US Troops fight against and defeat Nazis in WWII. Nazi law required citizens salute during their anthem (FDR responds by changing the traditional Bellamy salute to a hand over his heart during the anthem). Today, President Trump doesn't condemn Nazi violence nor his Nazi supporters, but he does go out of his way to condemn citizens who have the freedom to take a knee during the anthem if they so choose. In response, many NFL players protest him by taking a knee. This angers people who have paid hundreds of dollars to wear another man's work shirt, so they have a tantrum and burn their expensive shirt, claiming patriotism.
I prefer that people don't interject politics into sports.
I also prefer people don't interject politics into music.
Music can sometimes be interjected into sports.
Sports never works well interjected into music.
IMO
Finally, we can agree!
I am disgusted with the NFL (No F'n Logic). I think it's moronic and misguided. I will not support them or their sponsors. It's a false narrative. 3 more African Americans shot dead this weekend in Chicago. Is THAT why the Steelers were afraid to come out of the locker room? Only the honorable stood hand on heart for the National Anthem.
The 3 dead brought the years total of shot and killed in gang violence to 500 in Chicago. "500" just in Chicago. Why don't any of these a-holes go to their inner cities and preach family values, Fathers taking care of their children, staying in school and off the streets. The police are the victims and yet cops as pigs socks actually exist are a product and then they're worn. BLM? That's what the NFL is crawling in bed with? What a joke. "When 5 cops shot and killed in Dallas the NFL bans any team tribute to honor them, but allows this. They have become the "pigs". The police are diverse, they're mostly military as we want composed trained individuals to respond to emergencies. They have seen the trauma of the world. When we need them they come, for loved ones passings to "shots fired" reports. When the B.O.L.O.'s (be on the lookout) and APB's (all points bulletins) describes certain individuals it's in the public interest to stop those who fit the description. If the witnesses called in scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk shooting people, EVERY scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk needs to be stopped and investigated. Is that not common sense? A beautiful young black police officer was just assassinated in NYC a few months ago. She was not only a police officer, she was also a single mother of 2 sweet kids. Where was the outrage when a black man walked up and shot her in the head point blank for no reason while she sat in her car on a night shift trying to make ends meet. I take a knee to the stupidity of it all.
Promote responsibility, don't have 10 kids with 5 different women and abandon them all. You just destroyed lives not created. Promote staying in school and being responsible American citizens not American burdens. Antifa? I'm shedding tears for what this country once was and to what it's becoming. I take a knee to the NFL and it's lost cause of lost causes. Misguided buffoonery. F' em.
God Bless the USA and it's Men and Women who serve proudly and sadly suffer due to all this crap.
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Oh, didn't you know that to most of the protesters and quite a few people around here, the police are the enemy of the people? The time spent reading these forums is sometimes a suspension of rationality and logic. Accept that and you can get a few good laughs from most of these people. Oh yeah, also accept that if you disagree with them, that automatically makes you a racist, homophobic, intolerant misogynistic, neocon, fascist. I hate when that happens.[Edited on 9/26/2017 by Fretsman]
I am disgusted with the NFL (No F'n Logic). I think it's moronic and misguided. I will not support them or their sponsors. It's a false narrative. 3 more African Americans shot dead this weekend in Chicago. Is THAT why the Steelers were afraid to come out of the locker room? Only the honorable stood hand on heart for the National Anthem.
The 3 dead brought the years total of shot and killed in gang violence to 500 in Chicago. "500" just in Chicago. Why don't any of these a-holes go to their inner cities and preach family values, Fathers taking care of their children, staying in school and off the streets. The police are the victims and yet cops as pigs socks actually exist are a product and then they're worn. BLM? That's what the NFL is crawling in bed with? What a joke. "When 5 cops shot and killed in Dallas the NFL bans any team tribute to honor them, but allows this. They have become the "pigs". The police are diverse, they're mostly military as we want composed trained individuals to respond to emergencies. They have seen the trauma of the world. When we need them they come, for loved ones passings to "shots fired" reports. When the B.O.L.O.'s (be on the lookout) and APB's (all points bulletins) describes certain individuals it's in the public interest to stop those who fit the description. If the witnesses called in scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk shooting people, EVERY scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk needs to be stopped and investigated. Is that not common sense? A beautiful young black police officer was just assassinated in NYC a few months ago. She was not only a police officer, she was also a single mother of 2 sweet kids. Where was the outrage when a black man walked up and shot her in the head point blank for no reason while she sat in her car on a night shift trying to make ends meet. I take a knee to the stupidity of it all.
Promote responsibility, don't have 10 kids with 5 different women and abandon them all. You just destroyed lives not created. Promote staying in school and being responsible American citizens not American burdens. Antifa? I'm shedding tears for what this country once was and to what it's becoming. I take a knee to the NFL and it's lost cause of lost causes. Misguided buffoonery. F' em.
God Bless the USA and it's Men and Women who serve proudly and sadly suffer due to all this crap.
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Oh, didn't you know that to most of the protesters and quite a few people around here, the police are the enemy of the people? The time spent reading these forums is sometimes a suspension of rationality and logic. Accept that and you can get a few good laughs from most of these people. Oh yeah, also accept that if you disagree with them, that automatically makes you a racist, homophobic, intolerant misogynistic, neocon, fascist. I hate when that happens.
I was going to let this thread die with this last post, but being a teacher, I figured I had to use it for a lesson. I almost didn't know where to begin, but I figured I'd begin at the end and work my way backwards.
There is a difference between "being" a racist and using a racist slur. Most often, some one says something racist (often innocently) and it's pointed out to them thusly: "That's racist" and the person who hears it misinterprets that as "You're a racist" or homophobe or misogynist, etc. An example would be when someone says "I paid too much, I got gyped" I used to say that until it was pointed out to me that it was a slur from the term Gypsy. Was I being racist? No, but I was using a term that is racist. When I learned about it, I stopped. So, you're not being called a racist, but if you are saying something racist, sexist, etc and someone is calling you one it, own it and stop using the term.
Yes, I heard about a black police officer killed in her car. It is tragic and there was plenty of outrage. Maybe you missed it?
As for the "white kid with a pink mohawk", I totally understand that police should look for one if that is the description. But often the description is "black male" and then look what happens. Racial profiling exists and there really are such things as DWB (driving while black) but many people are unaware of it, or choose to overlook it.
The police, like all other jobs, have people who are good at it and bad at it. I would likely put them into 2 categories: Those that chose the job because they want to help others and see that as one of the best ways to do it and those who were bullied and picked on and want to get back at everyone by doing it themselves. The former make great cops, the latter, the worst. Some police are victims, some are perpetrators and predators.
As for your racist stereotypes of people living in inner cities, all I can say is that there are some who likely fit your grotesque characterization and there are most that don't. Some just get a lot of press because it makes good headlines. Yes there is gang violence but the real question should be Why and what can we do to help kids make a better choice. Why is it that when someone takes a stand against something like police brutality and racism, others try to bring up something else? Black lives matter is a beautiful slogan and yet people wanted to take it as "others don't" when nothing could be further from the truth? Do you also go to Breast cancer rallies and scream about testicular cancer and tell them they are being sexist and uncaring to all others??
As for the football players going to the inner cities to "preach family values": 1. Who's family? Yours? Mine? I'll bet they differ greatly...and 2. I see them do this ALL THE TIME. They are running shelters, donating huge sums of money, creating opportunities, funding incentives, etc. Look it up. All-The-Time.
Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real. Whoever wrote this piece never was followed around a department store because of their color, pulled over for their color, made to feel small because of their skin, etc. Even tiny things, such as this: When you have a boo-boo at a store and ask for a band-aid, the one you get blends to your skin...unless you are African American. Think about that for a second. As H. Rap Brown said a long time ago, "Weddings are white, funerals are black. Angel food cake is white, Devil's food cake is black...we ain't won one yet." Hope this helps. Peace.
Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real.
Sorry, not buying this, never will.
You offend Jews if you say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy holidays."
You offend Catholics if you wear a hat in church.
You offend soldiers if you kneel during the anthem.One of these is not like the other.
We don't often agree; but agreed.
Trump is correct that the owners are afraid of the players, however. But the players make their choice (to protest or not) the owners make their choice (whether to fine or fire their players.) Life is like that. During High School I got into trouble numerous times for not crossing my heart during the pledge (as a Vietnam protest)
So everyone makes their choices re: action/counteractions/ repercussions. As a lifelong Giants fan I was thrilled to see Mara stand up to OBJ's childish on field actions; however. For the most part the great athletes get away with it.
Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real.
Sorry, not buying this, never will.
How about we're all created equal...some more than others
Trump is correct that the owners are afraid of the players, however.
Owners certainly don't want this kind of persistent spotlight, but they showed this past Sunday that they are more pissed at Trump for criticizing their business and how they run that business. You think Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft, two of his biggest NFL supporter, appreciate a President throwing kerosene on the issue and pushing away long time fans, i.e., customers? Remember, Trump likes shiny things and has butted heads with the NFL before: when he owned the New Jersey Generals of the USFL (which he helped run into the ground); when he couldn't buy the Buffalo Bills. Anyone who thinks this is about the flag and veterans isn't paying attention.
Trump is correct that the owners are afraid of the players, however.
Owners certainly don't want this kind of persistent spotlight, but they showed this past Sunday that they are more pissed at Trump for criticizing their business and how they run that business. You think Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft, two of his biggest NFL supporter, appreciate a President throwing kerosene on the issue and pushing away long time fans, i.e., customers? Remember, Trump likes shiny things and has butted heads with the NFL before: when he owned the New Jersey Generals of the USFL (which he helped run into the ground); when he couldn't buy the Buffalo Bills. Anyone who thinks this is about the flag and veterans isn't paying attention.
There were test questions that yield the proper answer: True-True-Not related. They absolutely are justifiably enraged at Trump making a bigger issue of this than it is. Nut they are also afraid of the players. I truly believed Colin K. was blacklisted for similar behavior; but the owners will never risk going after the players en masse.
And re: flags and veterans. There is a huge swath of middle America (philosophical not geographic) that will always make it about that point. Put a candidate up who calls them deplorable and you end up with Trump. As Home put it this was an election caught "between Scylla and Charybdis ."
As for the "white kid with a pink mohawk", I totally understand that police should look for one if that is the description. But often the description is "black male" and then look what happens.
True, but if the crime is committed by a white person the description is "white male". Usually there is also some description of the clothing being worn when last seen. They have to search for perps based on whatever information is available. They have a tough, usually thankless job. and scenarios like the one you describe are a part of their everyday lives.
As for good cops & bad cops you are absolutely correct there also. My experience has been there are a lot more good ones than bad ones. Though I have been guilty of incorrectly calling good ones bad over something like getting a speeding ticket. Its crazy, as I mature (and I am still working on that) I have found that if you treat them with respect they appreciate it and are a lot nicer to you. It is a shame but they have to approach vehicles and situations prepared for a confrontation or a bad attitude. Even for simple traffic stops they don't know what they are going to get. And if you admit you were speeding act respectful and be friendly, it goes along way. You may not avoid a ticket but you avoided a confrontation and you made their job a little easier.
Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real. Whoever wrote this piece never was followed around a department store because of their color, pulled over for their color, made to feel small because of their skin...
No doubt this happens but it is not always color. If you are a white man with long hair and a beard, dress like a hippie and wear sandals you likely HAVE experienced something like this. I have. And yes how I dress is a choice. But black men who wear a suit & tie probably don't have this problem as often as those who can't seem to pull their ripped jeans all the way up the way they are intended to be worn. Again a choice. But regardless of color, how you carry and present yourself WILL have an impact on how you are treated. May not be fair but if experience tells you hippies commit more crimes than black men in suits who would you expect them to follow?
I am not disagreeing with you so much as I am suggesting there is a little more to some of these things. The world would be better if the media didn't try not to make everything black vs white.
As for the "white kid with a pink mohawk", I totally understand that police should look for one if that is the description. But often the description is "black male" and then look what happens.
True, but if the crime is committed by a white person the description is "white male". Usually there is also some description of the clothing being worn when last seen. They have to search for perps based on whatever information is available. They have a tough, usually thankless job. and scenarios like the one you describe are a part of their everyday lives.
As for good cops & bad cops you are absolutely correct there also. My experience has been there are a lot more good ones than bad ones. Though I have been guilty of incorrectly calling good ones bad over something like getting a speeding ticket. Its crazy, as I mature (and I am still working on that) I have found that if you treat them with respect they appreciate it and are a lot nicer to you. It is a shame but they have to approach vehicles and situations prepared for a confrontation or a bad attitude. Even for simple traffic stops they don't know what they are going to get. And if you admit you were speeding act respectful and be friendly, it goes along way. You may not avoid a ticket but you avoided a confrontation and you made their job a little easier.
Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real. Whoever wrote this piece never was followed around a department store because of their color, pulled over for their color, made to feel small because of their skin...
No doubt this happens but it is not always color. If you are a white man with long hair and a beard, dress like a hippie and wear sandals you likely HAVE experienced something like this. I have. And yes how I dress is a choice. But black men who wear a suit & tie probably don't have this problem as often as those who can't seem to pull their ripped jeans all the way up the way they are intended to be worn. Again a choice. But regardless of color, how you carry and present yourself WILL have an impact on how you are treated. May not be fair but if experience tells you hippies commit more crimes than black men in suits who would you expect them to follow?
I am not disagreeing with you so much as I am suggesting there is a little more to some of these things. The world would be better if the media didn't try not to make everything black vs white.
When I lived in NYC I had a good friend who was African American. He always wore a shirt and I tie; said it was his only chance of ever getting a Taxi to pick him up. Yes I've dressed like a white bum; but the fallout is never as bad.
I was going to let this thread die with this last post, but being a teacher, I figured I had to use it for a lesson. I almost didn't know where to begin, but I figured I'd begin at the end and work my way backwards.
There is a difference between "being" a racist and using a racist slur. Most often, some one says something racist (often innocently) and it's pointed out to them thusly: "That's racist" and the person who hears it misinterprets that as "You're a racist" or homophobe or misogynist, etc. An example would be when someone says "I paid too much, I got gyped" I used to say that until it was pointed out to me that it was a slur from the term Gypsy. Was I being racist? No, but I was using a term that is racist. When I learned about it, I stopped. So, you're not being called a racist, but if you are saying something racist, sexist, etc and someone is calling you one it, own it and stop using the term.
Yes, I heard about a black police officer killed in her car. It is tragic and there was plenty of outrage. Maybe you missed it?
As for the "white kid with a pink mohawk", I totally understand that police should look for one if that is the description. But often the description is "black male" and then look what happens. Racial profiling exists and there really are such things as DWB (driving while black) but many people are unaware of it, or choose to overlook it.
The police, like all other jobs, have people who are good at it and bad at it. I would likely put them into 2 categories: Those that chose the job because they want to help others and see that as one of the best ways to do it and those who were bullied and picked on and want to get back at everyone by doing it themselves. The former make great cops, the latter, the worst. Some police are victims, some are perpetrators and predators.
As for your racist stereotypes of people living in inner cities, all I can say is that there are some who likely fit your grotesque characterization and there are most that don't. Some just get a lot of press because it makes good headlines. Yes there is gang violence but the real question should be Why and what can we do to help kids make a better choice. Why is it that when someone takes a stand against something like police brutality and racism, others try to bring up something else? Black lives matter is a beautiful slogan and yet people wanted to take it as "others don't" when nothing could be further from the truth? Do you also go to Breast cancer rallies and scream about testicular cancer and tell them they are being sexist and uncaring to all others??
As for the football players going to the inner cities to "preach family values": 1. Who's family? Yours? Mine? I'll bet they differ greatly...and 2. I see them do this ALL THE TIME. They are running shelters, donating huge sums of money, creating opportunities, funding incentives, etc. Look it up. All-The-Time.
Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real. Whoever wrote this piece never was followed around a department store because of their color, pulled over for their color, made to feel small because of their skin, etc. Even tiny things, such as this: When you have a boo-boo at a store and ask for a band-aid, the one you get blends to your skin...unless you are African American. Think about that for a second. As H. Rap Brown said a long time ago, "Weddings are white, funerals are black. Angel food cake is white, Devil's food cake is black...we ain't won one yet." Hope this helps. Peace.
Too too funny! Undoubtedly, you're a product of public schools, right?
Some folks see reality, some folks see what they're told reality is, some folks are seeking answers, and some folks are Waitin For Brains.
Guess all that would depend upon whether they agree with you, right?
It seems some never took Constitution 101. I know it may shock some who don't understand, the 1st amendment only applies to government censorship of free speech. On a side note, there has never been a reference to separation of church of state in the establishment clause. Free speech does not apply to the private sector, or the free market. They have the right to be idiots...we have the right to not watch, and to tell their sponsors how we feel. Sad fact is, most of them are hood rats who would be nowhere if they were not able to catch a ball. Flame away...just because I've been going to see the Brothers since 72 does not mean I agree with liberal ideology
[Edited on 10/2/2017 by Riverpigusmc]
They absolutely have the right to express themselves and are hurting exactly nobody by doing it.
Unlike getting gunned down in a hail of bullets by po-lice brutality actually kills people. Trump is nothing more than a loudmouth moron so out of touch with anything real, it defies description.
