Oops, should have said a bit more I guess.
I should have added - and then wouldn't try to talk about Dylan to that person, ha.
I am well aware that there are non inferior and nice people out there who do not appreciate Bob Dylan
😉
No mystical-ness or enlightenment for me, just recognize the guy as a true original...and I am sure an eccentric as outlined by your story and others I've read through the years.
I guess I meant if someone dismisses him solely on his singing voice, in my humble opinion, that person has not dug into Bob nearly enough, but I am at a point in life where I don't feel responsible to try to convince anyone.
His through the nose voice at times just may be one of the things I admire about the guy. 😉
[Edited on 5/10/2016 by heineken515]
For much of his career, I like Dylan's voice, but not the way it sounds now.
Most of the Christmas album was actually painful to listen to
i agree, there is MUCH more to his music than his voice, but still...
The Christmas album is already old news for Dylan...his last albums and on the road currently his voice is quite different than on the album you refer to...
I got a ticket. $400. I will likely leave before the show Sunday and only see Fri/Sat, which I'm ok with. I've seen The Who and really enjoyed it, but I'd prefer Gilmour over Waters (and I did see Pink Floyd) so I'm not missing much and can't really miss work on Monday. I'll be close enough, as there is always a way to "mingle". 🙂
I have worked Dylan shows and it is a weird scene backstage. Most of the crew are not allowed to make eye contact or speak to Bob. Doing so is grounds for immediate dismissal. If that isn't messed up then I don't know what is.
That's what I used to think, until you realize that if he doesn't have something like that, he will get no peace. He is Bob #@$% Dylan and EVERYONE wants a piece of him. He changed music. He changed people's lives. He's written more songs than almost anyone, has been seen by more people than anyone else who has ever lived (look it up) and long ago realized that he needed to guard himself. And he has. From the media, the fans, etc. It's his way of surviving and it works. I worked a Morrissey show and he had the same directive, which was laughable considering who HE is!
Exactly.
I worked for Dylan and I totally understand his policies.
You agree with a crew member being fired for eye contact? I am not talking about the media or fans. People working for him. Shrink time. 😉
has been seen by more people than anyone else who has ever lived (look it up)
Not even remotely close to true. Sorry. No need to look up anything. Some acts will tour a year and a half playing arenas and stadiums such as Iron Maiden whose tickets sales over the years far exceed Bob. Bob disappeared for long stretches of time and never toured like that. Others like The Stones do a whole stadium tour with sales of 50 000+ per night.
Bob doesn't come close nor could he. Just doesn't tour to the same levels at all.
Just this decade alone. Only one example and there are many.
THE ROLLING STONES
Total Gross: $869,471,325 Number of Shows: 264
Total Attendance: 8,236,586 Number of Sell-Outs: 190
Bob doesn't hit those figures with multiple decades. Sorry but Bob doesn't even hit the Top 100. No shame at all as Bob plays theaters and sounds better that way.
[Edited on 5/13/2016 by CanadianMule]
That's an interesting question to ponder, who has performed in front of the most people. Tony Bennett's been singing in front of people since he was a singing waiter in 1946. Johnny Hallyday, the French megastar, has 181 tours since 1960 with 80 million albums sold.
That's an interesting question to ponder, who has performed in front of the most people. Tony Bennett's been singing in front of people since he was a singing waiter in 1946. Johnny Hallyday, the French megastar, has 181 tours since 1960 with 80 million albums sold.
A single show for The Stones in Rio likely comes close to matching decades of their tours if not surpassing it.
U2 has been doing stadium tours for years and sometimes multiple nights in one city.
Bon Jovi never felt the knock that other bands did when grunge took down metal. In fact attendance numbers increased.
Then the kings of touring, Iron Maiden have been doing non-stop whirlwind tours for their entire career. Attendance numbers dropped when Bruce left but still maintained arena status. Plus they were smart, when numbers decreased in North America, they focused on other countries all over the world. Playing places that others never even considered.
That's an interesting question to ponder, who has performed in front of the most people. Tony Bennett's been singing in front of people since he was a singing waiter in 1946. Johnny Hallyday, the French megastar, has 181 tours since 1960 with 80 million albums sold.
A single show for The Stones in Rio likely comes close to matching decades of their tours if not surpassing it.
U2 has been doing stadium tours for years and sometimes multiple nights in one city.
Bon Jovi never felt the knock that other bands did when grunge took down metal. In fact attendance numbers increased.
Then the kings of touring, Iron Maiden have been doing non-stop whirlwind tours for their entire career. Attendance numbers dropped when Bruce left but still maintained arena status. Plus they were smart, when numbers decreased in North America, they focused on other countries all over the world. Playing places that others never even considered.
Oh, sure. I was thinking in terms of a single person performer, all that. Fun to think about.
That's an interesting question to ponder, who has performed in front of the most people. Tony Bennett's been singing in front of people since he was a singing waiter in 1946. Johnny Hallyday, the French megastar, has 181 tours since 1960 with 80 million albums sold.
A single show for The Stones in Rio likely comes close to matching decades of their tours if not surpassing it.
U2 has been doing stadium tours for years and sometimes multiple nights in one city.
Bon Jovi never felt the knock that other bands did when grunge took down metal. In fact attendance numbers increased.
Then the kings of touring, Iron Maiden have been doing non-stop whirlwind tours for their entire career. Attendance numbers dropped when Bruce left but still maintained arena status. Plus they were smart, when numbers decreased in North America, they focused on other countries all over the world. Playing places that others never even considered.
Oh, sure. I was thinking in terms of a single person performer, all that. Fun to think about.
Bruce Springsteen
Not even remotely close to true. Sorry. No need to look up anything. Some acts will tour a year and a half playing arenas and stadiums such as Iron Maiden whose tickets sales over the years far exceed Bob. Bob disappeared for long stretches of time and never toured like that. Others like The Stones do a whole stadium tour with sales of 50 000+ per night.
Bob doesn't come close nor could he. Just doesn't tour to the same levels at all.
Just this decade alone. Only one example and there are many.
THE ROLLING STONES
Total Gross: $869,471,325 Number of Shows: 264
Total Attendance: 8,236,586 Number of Sell-Outs: 190Bob doesn't hit those figures with multiple decades. Sorry but Bob doesn't even hit the Top 100. No shame at all as Bob plays theaters and sounds better that way.
Well, that has nothing to do with what I wrote. Let me explain: Bob has been seen by more people than any other person who has ever lived. What I mean has nothing to do with sales or tickets or anything. I mean that more individual people have seen Bob Dylan in some way shape or form than any other person who has ever lived. That doesn't mean he has had larger attendance at concerts (people have seen him on commercials and television and even, gulp, movies) but he has toured in places that others have rarely played and that has contributed to it. In other words, when someone says EVERYONE knows who(or: has seen) Bob Dylan is, they are almost literally correct. And yes, I realize knowing and seeing are 2 separate things, but he has been seen (album covers, pictures, newspapers, etc. all count) by more and that is true. My grandparents could point him out in a crowd but would have no idea who Iron Maiden are.
Again that statement is absolutely not true.
Elvis
Muhammad Ali
Marilyn Monroe
Bob Marley
Frank Sinatra
Madonna
Even KISS with makeup
JImi Hendrix
Any of the Beatles (Ed Sullivan still unmatched)
Mick Jagger
Che Guevara
Jennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt and Angelina have spent the last 15 years on the cover of every entertainment/tabloid
The list goes on and on and I didn't even try Not sure where you would even come up with that concept. Too easy to shoot that theory to hell.
At one point Muhammad was the most recognized person on the planet. Even in 3rd world countries.
You can still see the Mule, get a t shirt, pay to park and get a beer or two for about a hundred bucks.....
Like many here, I have seen all of these bands many times over the years and have my opinion on whom I like better. What I will say however is when you put on a festival like this where all are in the same place at the same time competition occurs and these dudes are no different than the high school battle of the bands. Set-lists will be carefully constructed and rehearsals coming into the show will be intense. This just may be the best shows these bands have done in years to prove to each other who is the proverbial headliner.
Interesting take and very possibly spot on. But I would add this "A great & passionately inspired performance........for a Septuagenarian".
I'll see Young next week and Dylan will be performing for two consecutive evenings at my favorite venue,
"Humphrey's By The Bay" in mid-June. No ticket yet, but I'll be there.....
I would think the Festival might be the ultimate amateur night.......
That's an interesting question to ponder, who has performed in front of the most people. Tony Bennett's been singing in front of people since he was a singing waiter in 1946. Johnny Hallyday, the French megastar, has 181 tours since 1960 with 80 million albums sold.
A single show for The Stones in Rio likely comes close to matching decades of their tours if not surpassing it.
U2 has been doing stadium tours for years and sometimes multiple nights in one city.
Bon Jovi never felt the knock that other bands did when grunge took down metal. In fact attendance numbers increased.
Then the kings of touring, Iron Maiden have been doing non-stop whirlwind tours for their entire career. Attendance numbers dropped when Bruce left but still maintained arena status. Plus they were smart, when numbers decreased in North America, they focused on other countries all over the world. Playing places that others never even considered.
Speaking of Maiden, I saw this a few weeks ago.
The following are some of IRON MAIDEN' recent North and South American concert attendances/grosses, as reported by Billboard magazine:
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Estadio Nacional Jorge Magico Gonzalez
City/State: San Salvador, El Salvador
Date: March 6, 2016
Gross Sales: $1,331,925
Attendance/Capacity: 22,041 / 22,041
Ticket Prices: $175, $15
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Estadio Ricardo Saprissa Ayma
City/State: San Jose, Costa Rica
Date: March 8, 2016
Gross Sales: $996,194
Attendance/Capacity: 16,655 / 18,000
Ticket Prices: $100.36, $32.84
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Estadio Nacional
City/State: Santiago, Chile
Date: March 11, 2016
Gross Sales: $2,181,940
Attendance/Capacity: 54,911 / 56,674
Ticket Prices: $123.01, $28.94
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Estadio Mario Alberto Kempes
City/State: Cordoba, Argentina
Date: March 13, 2016
Gross Sales: $857,309
Attendance/Capacity: 17,680 / 18,600
Ticket Prices: $80.43, $36.86
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Estadio Velez Sarsfield
City/State: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Date: March 15, 2016
Gross Sales: $1,558,520
Attendance/Capacity: 32,629 / 32,629
Ticket Prices: $77.08, $37.03
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: HSBC Arena
City/State: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Date: March 17, 2016
Gross Sales: $844,709
Attendance/Capacity: 12,219 / 12,219
Ticket Prices: $156.12, $29.11
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Esplanada do Mineirao
City/State: Belo Horizonte, Brazil
Date: March 19, 2016
Gross Sales: $1,165,280
Attendance/Capacity: 16,844 / 16,844
Ticket Prices: $157.31, $34.50
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Ginasio Nilson Nelson
City/State: Brasilia, Brazil
Date: March 22, 2016
Gross Sales: $631,263
Attendance/Capacity: 10,942 / 11,380
Ticket Prices: $132.45, $27.59
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Arena Castelao
City/State: Fortaleza, Brazil
Date: March 24, 2016
Gross Sales: $1,449,220
Attendance/Capacity: 23,531 / 23,531
Ticket Prices: $215.35, $13.84
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, ANTHRAX
Venue: Allianz Parque
City/State: Sao Paulo, Brazil
Date: March 26, 2016
Gross Sales: $2,844,250
Attendance/Capacity: 39,583 / 39,583
Ticket Prices: $168.17, $27.12
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, THE RAVEN AGE
Venue: Madison Square Garden
City/State: New York City, New York
Date: March 30, 2016
Gross Sales: $1,472,331
Attendance/Capacity: 13,289 / 13,289
Ticket Prices: $125, $64.50
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, THE RAVEN AGE
Venue: Bell Centre
City/State: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Date: April 1, 2016
Gross Sales: $866,918
Attendance/Capacity: 14,963 / 14,963
Ticket Prices: $67.47, $42.02
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, THE RAVEN AGE
Venue: Air Canada Centre
City/State: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Date: April 3, 2016
Gross Sales: $889,288
Attendance/Capacity: 13,734 / 13,734
Ticket Prices: $74.91, $38.03
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, THE RAVEN AGE
Venue: Palace Of Auburn Hills
City/State: Auburn Hills, Michigan
Date: April 5, 2016
Gross Sales: $750,508
Attendance/Capacity: 10,232 / 10,900
Ticket Prices: $89.50, $29.50
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, THE RAVEN AGE
Venue: United Center
City/State: Chicago, Illinois
Date: April 6, 2016
Gross Sales: $1,085,976
Attendance/Capacity: 13,968 / 13,968
Ticket Prices: $89.50, $39.50
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, THE RAVEN AGE
Venue: Rexall Place
City/State: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Date: April 8, 2016
Gross Sales: $842,035
Attendance/Capacity: 12,813 / 12,813
Ticket Prices: $74.40, $22.51
Artist/Event: IRON MAIDEN, THE RAVEN AGE
Venue: Rogers Arena
City/State: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Date: April 9, 2016
Gross Sales: $794,762
Attendance/Capacity: 12,478 / 13,405
Ticket Prices: $74.59, $22.57
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
You can still see the Mule, get a t shirt, pay to park and get a beer or two for about a hundred bucks.....
Amen brother! Thats where I am at any more and have been probably for the last 10 yrs. Prices are out of control, but as long as the masses keep feeding the beast, it won't stop.
Heck,drop the the over priced t shirts and beer, walk a few extra blocks and you can make it probably 50.00 or alittle less.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Elvis
Muhammad Ali
Marilyn Monroe
Bob Marley
Frank Sinatra
Madonna
Even KISS with makeup
JImi Hendrix
Any of the Beatles (Ed Sullivan still unmatched)
Mick Jagger
Che GuevaraJennifer Aniston, Brad Pitt and Angelina have spent the last 15 years on the cover of every entertainment/tabloid
The list goes on and on and I didn't even try Not sure where you would even come up with that concept. Too easy to shoot that theory to hell.
At one point Muhammad was the most recognized person on the planet. Even in 3rd world countries.
As much as I enjoy verbal jousting, I am tired, so I will concede and say, yes, you are correct and I am incorrect. But I guess I should comment on this list:
Elvis- a 20 year career vs. Bob's 50 years. And much less touring. Nope
Muhammad Ali - Mostly men watch boxing, but both men and women see Dylan and again, he has been going for 50 years vs Ali's few years.
Marilyn Monroe - few people came to see Monroe live, as well as any other actor/actress
Bob Marley - too short a career to even make the blip on the Dylan radar
Frank Sinatra - A good call, but didn't tour anywhere near as much as Bob
Madonna - Not even close
Even KISS with makeup - ??
Jimi Hendrix - played some good tours, but numbers don't even come close
Any of the Beatles (Ed Sullivan still unmatched) - Dylan started before them and is still touring. They broke up 30 years ago and while Paul and Ringo still play, they also don't have the touring schedule of Bob.
Mick Jagger - the only one who comes close and I would still give it to Bob because he has written more and is more prolific and tours more than the Stones.
Che Guevara - While Che did speak to crowds, he didn't really travel much, nor did he speak for many years.
And people like Aniston and Pitt are viewed by folks, but rarely seen live, and once a week (Aniston) or once in awhile (Pitt movies) and while they're popular for 15 years, that doesn't come close to the 50 Dylan has been playing. And let's not forget that they haven't written books and don't have anywhere near the number of books written about them that Bob has. But again, I'm done. You win. I am wrong.
You created the whole "seen" concept. Said that it wasn't touring or tickets. It was being seen.
You honestly think more people have seen good old Bob's mug more than Elvis? That would make this moronic angle to the debate even funnier. As if such a thing could be monitored. But if you honestly think Bob has been shown more that Elvis then just stop there. You can't be serious? Elvis' Empire created Merchandise as we know it today. Music, movies, TV specials, controlled the media, Army pictures, magazine covers a F'N Theme Park for a house and 60 years of selling his image on everything possible. Movies and TV specials still showed annually! And you think more have seen Bob? LOL
Ali - a few years? He is still alive. Know all over the globe? Again you are serious in debating that?
Monroe is one of the biggest marketing businesses going and only gets bigger and bigger. Her image is everywhere. Ahhh I get it - you are just messing with me.
Marley - same thing. Merchandise MEGA STAR - Music still sells and always has. His face can be bought on everything.
Madonna - ever hear of MTV and videos. Movies, magazines, paparazzi and every other media angle know to mankind? This is funny.
KISS? Sure Bob has graced more magazines, movies, albums, TVs, lunchboxes, cars, coffins, lighters, tool boxes, millions of t-shirts, posters, condoms and every other thing that Gene Simmons can put his face on and make a dollar. Bob seen more?
Beatles - are you on drugs? Touring schedule? Paul has been touring stadiums for years now....Bob - not so much. You are messing with me right?
Now you want to change it back to touring and people seeing the act? OK but I already proved you wrong in a single minute. You switch back and forth but doesn't make a difference either way.
The main question is - what is your point anyway? You don't have a leg to stand on from either angle.
Sadly we are now seeing just how popular and what a cultural effect Ali had.
Feeds from all over the world reacting to his death.
Amy could not have been more wrong about Ali as she brushed his legend aside as only being around for a few years. This is one time that I don't enjoy being proven right. RIP Ali.
Apropos of nothing, other than I saw this pic this morning just after I'd read this thread...
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Dylan knows who to hang around with to get is picture around 😛
[Edited on 6/4/2016 by Stephane]
LOL - That is a great picture. Muhhamed looks like he has no idea who Bob is and Bob looks like he is touring with Motley Crue.
Perfect picture. That was great.
"Bob has been seen by more people than any other person who has ever lived. What I mean has nothing to do with sales or tickets or anything. I mean that more individual people have seen Bob Dylan in some way shape or form than any other person who has ever lived."
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Uh, uhhhhhhh.....?????
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"Elvis- a 20 year career vs. Bob's 50 years. And much less touring. Nope
Muhammad Ali - Mostly men watch boxing, but both men and women see Dylan and again, he has been going for 50 years vs Ali's few years.
Marilyn Monroe - few people came to see Monroe live, as well as any other actor/actress
Bob Marley - too short a career to even make the blip on the Dylan radar
Frank Sinatra - A good call, but didn't tour anywhere near as much as Bob
Madonna - Not even close
Even KISS with makeup - ??
Jimi Hendrix - played some good tours, but numbers don't even come close
Any of the Beatles (Ed Sullivan still unmatched) - Dylan started before them and is still touring. They broke up 30 years ago and while Paul and Ringo still play, they also don't have the touring schedule of Bob.
Mick Jagger - the only one who comes close and I would still give it to Bob because he has written more and is more prolific and tours more than the Stones."
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All due respect to Dylan, pretty much all of this list has equal or greater iconic status.
