was also waiting to post.
I like the album, though not nearly as much as Made up Mind and Let Me Get By
Favorites are Shame (amazing live) and Signs, High times - I like all the other tunes but as a whole the album doesn't hit me the way the others did.
Clearly, there is a lot of sadness on this album, the loss is felt in almost every tune. It feels even more so given the huge blow that just happened.
For those of you who don't like Susan's grittiness (or "screaming") there is not much of that here.
FWIW, every album starting with Already Free hasn't really showcased Derek's guitar playing, this is no different. He plays tasty licks / solos in just about every song, but they are not extended. I remember reading in an interview when Already Free came out that Derek didn't want to be the guitar hero but focus on songs and production. This is what I've grown to expect by now.
It will be interesting to hear how these songs sound live. they played most of them 2/15 (it's on the archive)
edit - listening to that show now - so far it's all the new tunes. It's HOT. Derek is hittin the note as usual
MUCH better live
https://archive.org/details/ttb2019-02-15/ttb2019-02-15.vwmule.t06.flac
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[Edited on 2/17/2019 by stormyrider]
It's OK
Hopefully live there will be more to it
Listening to the full album show now and it certainly has more grit to it than the CD does. 
https://archive.org/details/ttb2019-02-15
Thanks for the link this is def better !
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You can say anything you want.....I certainly am not upset by it. You, like everyone else, are absolutely entitled to your opinion. That said, if you're opinion is that Susan Tedeschi has "no-talent".....your opinion is wrong. One doesn't have to be a singer or musician to figure that out. You (I'm saying you, but anyone for that matter) can not really care for her particular voice, but saying that the woman is untalented just makes you look, well, not smart.Actually, it sounds pretty funny to say someone is entitled to their opinion, but say their opinion is wrong.
It certainly does. But, if we're discussing the opinion that the woman has no talent.....that would clearly be wrong. She may not be for everyone and I don't really care what anyone specifically believes, but to say she has no talent is justridiculous. That was the point. They don't admit talentless people to Berklee...it does not happen.
Actually, you do seem to take it personally. Just my opinion, however.
Jeez I thought this had been put to bed. Totally cool if you want to believe that, but it is not subjective, and as the resident expert on me I can objectively confirm it was never personal. It doesn't bother me if someone doesn't enjoy listening to her, but it's ignorant to deny her talent and bizarre to do it repeatedly. More likely those who have continually disparaged Susan's talent ever since she entered Derek's bubble are taking her a little more to heart.
Actually, you do seem to take it personally. Just my opinion, however.
Jeez I thought this had been put to bed. Totally cool if you want to believe that, but it is not subjective, and as the resident expert on me I can objectively confirm it was never personal. It doesn't bother me if someone doesn't enjoy listening to her, but it's ignorant to deny her talent and bizarre to do it repeatedly. More likely those who have continually disparaged Susan's talent ever since she entered Derek's bubble are taking her a little more to heart.
PCB-if you feel ABSNJ is disparaging Susan or denying her talent you
Haven’t been reading what you say are ABSNJ’s repeated posts on this subject.
To clarify,in fact,he likes and enjoys Susan and believes she’s a fine talent. He’s been saying it for years here and he’s my friend so I’m fairly familiar with the concerts he sees and and his feelings about those shows. I know,that for a bunch of years he’s always told me enjoys Susan.
What he’s said is he doesn’t enjoy TTB-not because of their talent,but he
doesn’t enjoy their original material and thus,their live shows.
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Actually, you do seem to take it personally. Just my opinion, however.
Jeez I thought this had been put to bed. Totally cool if you want to believe that, but it is not subjective, and as the resident expert on me I can objectively confirm it was never personal. It doesn't bother me if someone doesn't enjoy listening to her, but it's ignorant to deny her talent and bizarre to do it repeatedly. More likely those who have continually disparaged Susan's talent ever since she entered Derek's bubble are taking her a little more to heart.
PCB-if you feel ABSNJ is disparaging Susan or denying her talent you
Haven’t been reading what you say are ABSNJ’s repeated posts on this subject.
To clarify,in fact,he likes and enjoys Susan and believes she’s a fine talent. He’s been saying it for years here and he’s my friend so I’m fairly familiar with the concerts he sees and and his feelings about those shows. I know,that for a bunch of years he’s always told me enjoys Susan.
What he’s said is he doesn’t enjoy TTB-not because of their talent,but he
doesn’t enjoy their original material and thus,their live shows.
dadof2, please re-read what I wrote again, I was only responding to absnj's assertion (the specific item I quoted) that it was "personal" and reiterated that none of this was taken personally (because duh it's only music). I never said absnj himself dissed Susan, I was clearly speaking to others' previous statements. He made it clear in this thread that he's a Susan fan. You've projected a false narrative onto what I wrote.
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ABSNJ I recall having this discussion with you when TTB formed. After all this time you are still telling others they are too sensitive and you are merely expressing an opinion. If that's not beating it to death i don't know what is. I feel you are being disingenuous and love the reaction you get. Who does the same thing for years if they don't like it. After all, you know exactly the reaction you are going to get.
ABSNJ I recall having this discussion with you when TTB formed. After all this time you are still telling others they are too sensitive and you are merely expressing an opinion. If that's not beating it to death i don't know what is. I feel you are being disingenuous and love the reaction you get. Who does the same thing for years if they don't like it. After all, you know exactly the reaction you are going to get.
Old Dog, Why does this bother you enough to respond?...Why not just step away from the keyboard?
Big V I normally wouldn't respond but i found it amusing that the same deal was still happening all these years later.
Big V I normally wouldn't respond but i found it amusing that the same deal was still happening all these years later.
Enough has been said about this topic, but you've quoted the exact reason why I responded in the 1st place.
You've projected a false narrative onto what I wrote.
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Don’t take it so personally.
What drives these endless threads about whether or not folks like this one particular band? I've never seen this over any other group.
Brer,
On some Stones boards I have been on, the debate over Mick Taylor versus Ronnie Woods has some similarities.
In each case, I think a lot of it involves expectations; listeners want a beloved band to sound the way that those listeners like best.
I also think that a lot of times, opposing views are expressed in language that provokes response.
What drives these endless threads about whether or not folks like this one particular band? I've never seen this over any other group.
Pretty simple, each new thread about this band brings out the fans who worship them and the ones who do not. Some feel the need to constantly tell others how good they are while the opposite opinion makes its presence known as well.
And so it will probably continue.
Any dissenting opinion whether stated once or repeated, seems to warrant the wrath of a keyboard warrior who rather than letting it slide makes the choice to attack someone who has spoken out against a "Hero"
It's such a pity you guys cannot respond to DJTrader without resorting to calling him (or her) an **** or ignorant. If you don't agree with him, you can respond to his opinion, rather than making it a personal attack.
It’s not the opinion itself, but rather the pompous ignorant manner in which it was given - no need for the “no talent” remark.
It will be interesting to hear how these songs sound live. they played most of them 2/15 (it's on the archive)
edit - listening to that show now - so far it's all the new tunes. It's HOT. Derek is hittin the note as usual
MUCH better live
Agreed. I’ve never been a huge fan of their studio albums because there’s not enough of Derek. However, it’s a whole different ballgame seeing them live. They are phenomenal, and some of the best work I’ve ever heard from Derek has been at a live TTB show. They always give him the time and space to stretch out on solos. I wish we got more of that in the studio, but I think I understand their reasons.
What drives these endless threads about whether or not folks like this one particular band? I've never seen this over any other group.
Millenials.
No but really it goes back to the mid-2000s. A lot of dTb fans could see where Derek was heading when he started moving on from dTb towards TTB and there were a lot of seriously butt-hurt Derek fans who thought dTb would be their replacement band as the ABB wound down. A sad few were saying a lot of nasty things about Susan during those years. Occasionally that returns and they chime in by throwing dynamite into a totally reasonable TTB discussion. There was plenty of positive and negative opinion in this thread until 1 or 2 people threw some shade at Susan, fully knowing what they were doing, and got upset when other people disagreed with them. It's totally predictable.
Some people just like to argue about the same thing over and over again, and this being the internet, opinions are sacrosanct. I haven't really seen anyone provoke Mule fans on their threads. But not being much of a Mule fan myself, (love Warren, just not my jam) I tend to skip past them.
It's too bad, I would love to have a reasonable TTB discussion. I think most of their studio albums are over-produced. It's sounds like songs are assembled in the bubble of the studio without being road-tested and given life, because hearing them live is a totally different experience than the studio track. Let Me Get By is the only studio album of theirs I spin regularly, it's a really solid album. After hearing a lot of songs live over the years, the studio cuts have grown on me, which happens with a lot of my favorite music.
But we can't have nice things because if you think Susan is talented you "worship" the band.
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There was plenty of positive and negative opinion in this thread until 1 or 2 people threw some shade at Susan, fully knowing what they were doing, and got upset when other people disagreed with them.
Reading through this thread, most of the participants who became "upset", lol..... are the ones who can't tolerate what they interpret to be dissenting, negative opinions and then proceed to let everyone know about it. Repeatedly.
are the ones who can't tolerate what they interpret to be dissenting, negative opinions
There are ways to express a negative opinion without saying someone has “no talent”, but if playing victim is your game, have at it.
ABSNJ I recall having this discussion with you when TTB formed. After all this time you are still telling others they are too sensitive and you are merely expressing an opinion. If that's not beating it to death i don't know what is. I feel you are being disingenuous and love the reaction you get. Who does the same thing for years if they don't like it. After all, you know exactly the reaction you are going to get.
What I found distasteful here was not the reaction to anything I posted, but rather the lack of respect to those with dissenting opinions. If you read my posts above, I also disagreed with DJTrader about his "no talent" comments on Susan.
What drives these endless threads about whether or not folks like this one particular band? I've never seen this over any other group.
Go back and read any post having to do with Dickey.
ABSNJ I recall having this discussion with you when TTB formed. After all this time you are still telling others they are too sensitive and you are merely expressing an opinion. If that's not beating it to death i don't know what is. I feel you are being disingenuous and love the reaction you get. Who does the same thing for years if they don't like it. After all, you know exactly the reaction you are going to get.
What I found distasteful here was not the reaction to anything I posted, but rather the lack of respect to those with dissenting opinions. If you read my posts above, I also disagreed with DJTrader about his "no talent" comments on Susan.
What drives these endless threads about whether or not folks like this one particular band? I've never seen this over any other group.
Go back and read any post having to do with Dickey.
Ding ding ding. Finally someone nailed it. Double standard has always been applied by several people on this site. Shame on us if we call it out. Always the same old tired excuses.
