but if it's not your jam why feel the need to remind everyone and trash musicians others take joy in?

Because there are always new ideas and views, new songs to discuss, new band members, new participants in the discussion. You can always not take it personally and just go about your day.

I didn't take it personally at all. I respectfully disagreed with you, it's all part of a discussion, for which you are claiming to be a victim. Nut up, dude.

but if it's not your jam why feel the need to remind everyone and trash musicians others take joy in?

Because there are always new ideas and views, new songs to discuss, new band members, new participants in the discussion. You can always not take it personally and just go about your day.

I didn't take it personally at all. I respectfully disagreed with you, it's all part of a discussion, for which you are claiming to be a victim. Nut up, dude.

OMG... "Victim"...please. Your definition of Victim and mine are truly miles apart and you are right, we can respectfully disagree.

Enjoy the day.

It's such a pity you guys cannot respond to DJTrader without resorting to calling him (or her) an asshole or ignorant. If you don't agree with him, you can respond to his opinion, rather than making it a personal attack.

Exactly.

Unfortunately that just seems to be the way it has always been around here. Any dissenting opinion whether stated once or repeated, seems to warrant the wrath of a keyboard warrior who rather than letting it slide makes the choice to attack someone who has spoken out against a "Hero"...too bad, but, that is the way it is now.

"Say something 'bad' about a person I worship and I will take it very personally"

Keyboard warrior! Never heard that...good one.

Did someone say Ted Nugent?!?!?
😛

I agree with DeadMallard. Best live act out there with a huge sound. I'd go see them any chance I get but I really don't listen to their albums after a few spins once they come out. Even the live one. There's something they can't get down on wax that you experience live with them and I think the songs are a big part of it. It's my opinion but they're lacking somewhat. Thought more of the same from listening to the stream of the new one but maybe it will grow on me. I do like the overall sound though.

There's a lot of song writing talent out there now. Jason Isbell, Chris Stapleton, Dawes etc. The songs just keep coming for these writers and The TTB originals seem stuck to me.

I really do not enjoy the TTB at all, even after buying their music as it comes out, (so i am supporting them dollar-wise) I have figured out it is Susan's vocals. I have tried to let it grow on me, but it sounds as bad to me today as she did the first time I saw her open for the ABB in Charlotte back in 2001. The music rocks though, very soulful. If she could slide back into a dual guitar role with Derek and sing back up with Mike taking over the lead vocals like he handled in the DTB, now that would be a smoking band! Ss always with everything, your mileage may vary.

Susan gets constant flak here but she brings it every night.
If Derek wanted to do something else, he would.

H8rs gonna h8. Just wish y'all would use WP for this.

Susan gets constant flak here but she brings it every night.
If Derek wanted to do something else, he would.

H8rs gonna h8. Just wish y'all would use WP for this.

This. All of it.

Susan gets constant flak here but she brings it every night.
If Derek wanted to do something else, he would.

H8rs gonna h8. Just wish y'all would use WP for this.

Exactly. Recently someone here trashed on Oteil and everyone rallied to his defense, but if someone says Susan is a "weak link" or "no-talent" it's just an opinion and you're a "keyboard warrior" if you respectfully disagree. Here's a hot take, if you hear people talking about a band they like, and you don't, do you interrupt them (every time!) to say "they suck"? How about just keep walking? No one has ever been offended by different taste in music, but why repeatedly sh1t on a musician that's making a nice living doing it? Every TTB thread devolves into this...

Susan gets constant flak here but she brings it every night.
If Derek wanted to do something else, he would.

H8rs gonna h8. Just wish y'all would use WP for this.

Exactly. Recently someone here trashed on Oteil and everyone rallied to his defense, but if someone says Susan is a "weak link" or "no-talent" it's just an opinion and you're a "keyboard warrior" if you respectfully disagree. Here's a hot take, if you hear people talking about a band they like, and you don't, do you interrupt them (every time!) to say "they suck"? How about just keep walking? No one has ever been offended by different taste in music, but why repeatedly sh1t on a musician that's making a nice living doing it? Every TTB thread devolves into this...

I agree with part of what you say-I’m the guilty party(LOL) who’s never been a fan of oteils bass playing and that is a legit opinion-a matter of taste-you can disagree but your opinion is no better than mine and my opinion is no better than yours.
I’m no fan of Susan and TTB and that too is a legit opinion-a matter if taste.
Where I differ with you is that those who like TTB and those who don’t are entitled to state their opinion as often as they like.Thats what a forum is-you may not like it but since TTB evokes strong opinions on both sides there’s not much you can do to prevent legit discussions. Those who don’t like TTB have as much right as you to state their opinions. Would you feel it’s fair if someone said they were sick of hearing you repeat your views over and over? We all know how you feel but no one is suggesting you stop posting your point of view. What right do you have to suggest that others are not entitled to state their opinions?

H8rs gonna h8.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous phrases to ever see daylight

Would you feel it’s fair if someone said they were sick of hearing you repeat your views over and over? We all know how you feel but no one is suggesting you stop posting your point of view.

Thank You.

I agree with part of what you say-I’m the guilty party(LOL) who’s never been a fan of oteils bass playing and that is a legit opinion-a matter of taste-you can disagree but your opinion is no better than mine and my opinion is no better than yours.
I’m no fan of Susan and TTB and that too is a legit opinion-a matter if taste.
Where I differ with you is that those who like TTB and those who don’t are entitled to state their opinion as often as they like.Thats what a forum is-you may not like it but since TTB evokes strong opinions on both sides there’s not much you can do to prevent legit discussions. Those who don’t like TTB have as much right as you to state their opinions. Would you feel it’s fair if someone said they were sick of hearing you repeat your views over and over? We all know how you feel but no one is suggesting you stop posting your point of view. What right do you have to suggest that others are not entitled to state their opinions?

Hey dude! (wasn't trying to call you out by the way). But you have this backwards. Opinions are cool! The issue is people taking offense to the blowback after they trash a musician.

We all agree on the Allman Brothers, we don't all agree regarding other music and those are fun discussions and why we still waste time here. Many stated their dislike or malaise for the new album and TTB's music at the beginning of the thread and that's totally cool, I read it and didn't think twice about it (honestly I'm not super hot on the new album yet).

The issue here is people stating their intense dislike (totally fine) and then taking offense when people disagree wrapping themselves "opinion" kevlar like a big baby. You stated your opinion about Oteil's bass playing, and that's fine. People disagreed with you. But you didn't dismiss everyone for disagreeing with you, right? Were they all "keyboard warriors"? Have you felt the need to jump on any other threads to repeat your Oteil opinion? Not that I've seen.

People disliked or aren't into the new album, no big deal. It's just music and TTB is still selling out theaters everywhere. Two people trashed Susan's talent and people disagreed and someone cried "victim" for having an opinion. You can have an opinion (duh), but don't whine or take it personally when people disagree with you. Don't like a restaurant? Fine. Write a negative review on Yelp? Ok, cool. But if someone disagrees with your negative review, don't be offended. And maybe don't bother writing another negative review 2 weeks later. Just let it go.

But hey, that's the internet.

"And maybe don't bother writing another negative review 2 weeks later. Just let it go."

Now you're talking.

Note what the description of the Whipping Post forum here says: "Got a point you want to make.... and re-make endlessly? Tie it here to the Whipping Post and leave the other forums be."

41 posts and a rotten attitude azz hat, probably a favorite poster we all know, yet under another handle. Regardless, likely someone who is a non musician or vocalist "expert". BigV should pipe in as nauseum soon. The choir, ya know. If y'all don't like Susan, I get it. But to say no talent is ignorant. "Not my preference" is more correct.

The comical part is I bet most Susan antagonists would phoney chummy up to Derek in person, despite the fact they insult his WIFE. Smack down sh!t is some locales.

So now someone has to be a vocal expert/musician to understand good or bad singing/guitar playing? Have you ever analyzed a movie? I sure hope you're a certified movie critic because, by your logic, you can't say anything about movies now.

Look, this is a thread about TTB, therefore I feel as though I'm entitled to speak about my truths without putting it in Whipping Post. I'm being critical of literally only ONE aspect of the band, Susan. I'm not discounting their ability to sell out shows, I'm not discounting the fact they have sold a lot of records, and I'm not putting them down in another other manner. If me saying "no-talent" gets you (and others) so worked up, I honestly pity you.

If you don't mind, I'll be using azz hat to my buddies now

You can say anything you want.....I certainly am not upset by it. You, like everyone else, are absolutely entitled to your opinion. That said, if you're opinion is that Susan Tedeschi has "no-talent".....your opinion is wrong. One doesn't have to be a singer or musician to figure that out. You (I'm saying you, but anyone for that matter) can not really care for her particular voice, but saying that the woman is untalented just makes you look, well, not smart.

I think she is very talented! Great guitar slinger. But her voice is what turns me off listening to them. Doesn't mean she is not talented because I am not a fan of her vocals. Let Mike take over!

That said, if you're opinion is that Susan Tedeschi has "no-talent".....your opinion is wrong. One doesn't have to be a singer or musician to figure that out.

Even I think that assessment is a bit harsh, that being said how does one seriously rate "Levels of talent"?..

Everyone on this planet can sing. Obviously, some are measurably better than most. Some people on this planet are competent on stringed instruments, even fewer are "good" and an even smaller amount are "great".....So, it is pretty evident that Susan is "Talented"....

So, here's a question, "How many here were Big or Just Susan fans before "Soul Stew Revival" or the TTB"?

I ask because of the loyalty to all things Allman Brothers on this site, that perhaps her connection to Derek has anything to do with her popularity?

Me?..I discovered her when I heard her sing "Angel from Montgomery" off her record "Just won't burn". I purchased this and quickly decided it was not for me.....The next time I saw/heard of her was on "PBS' Austin City Limits"...which was quite an impressive performance because (Imho) in good part of the musicians she surrounded herself with. The first time I saw her "Live" was in San Diego (James Hunter opened) and thought after seeing her "Live" meh, OK voice, and a seriously mediocre guitar player. Now, being a huge Derek fan and taking every opportunity available to me to listen to/see him perform, I drove all up and down the California coast ..... When and he Susan joined together to form "SSR", once again I found myself driving anywhere I needed to see "Them" knowing they each had their own projects....enjoying it nonetheless.

But when the DTB collapsed, man, I was broken. I mean here was my "Replacement" for the ABB which for me had morphed into a band doing nothing more than playing greatest hits to a group of new fans who worshiped Warren and knew nothing or little of the old days...

But I get it, It is Derek's choice, this is the woman he loves and he has probably never been happier, Good for him, truly a very lucky man getting to hang with and create musical memories with the one he loves.

Me?...I hope he tires of this project and surrounds himself with musicians who truly challenge him, perhaps from the Jazz world. The playing of songs that represent no more than a stage for Susan with an obligatory slide solo does absolutely nothing for me.

Interesting take on things

One day, many moons ago, my wife came home and said that she heard someone on the radio who was a blend of Janis and Bonnie Raitt.
About a week later, I heard Hurt So Bad on the radio, and knew that's who she was talking about. Got the CD shortly after.

Saw both solo bands - loved DTB - not as a replacement for ABB but for what it was. Saw SSR, enjoyed it.
Was disappointed when DTB broke up but saw it coming in Derek's interviews

Didn't love TTB at first, but they got better and better and tighter and tighter - now I never miss them and often see > 1 show per run.
Some of the best shows I've been to the past 5 or 10 years are TTB shows
yes I miss DTB (and ABB). Yes I'd love to see Derek to a jazz / Eastern / blues / whatever format at some point.
But, I'm enjoying TTB - they are talented musicians who kick ass.

I don't care if you don't like TTB or don't like Susan, I probably don't like lots of musicians people around here love. There have been some pretty nasty things said about Susan on this board in the past, fortunately that's dying down.

I'll be there next time TTB comes to New England, having a great time.

different strokes

What is SSR

Taste is subjective. There's no right or wrong or one's taste is greater or less than another person's taste.

Put me in the camp of thinking Susan is a great vocalist and that her vocals appeal to me. I thought this the first time I heard her band long before she teamed up with Derek. Nothing has changed that appeal since then.

I have friends who have come on board to the band in recent years, and they are big fans now.

A girl that I've done session work with is a vocalist and just sang one of TTB's songs at a celebration after a wedding.

What is SSR

Soul Stew Revival. Their first collaboration; still had their own bands during this time.

We all agree on the Allman Brothers, we don't all agree regarding other music and those are fun discussions and why we still waste time here.

LOL! I personally wasn't a fan of Susan that much until the last time I saw TTB, last year in Tulsa, and I had 5th row seats right in front of Derek and Susan and I finally saw up close how amazing she is and how much conviction she pours into every word she sings. Everything is authentic and from the heart and isn't that why we like this music so much anyway? Because it's honest and real?

My biggest complaint about TTB has nothing to do with Susan, and I've said this a few times around here, but more about the drummers. I don't get it. It looks like they're playing the same thing a lot and it sounds like one drummer. Why two if they aren't going to do completely different things like Butch and Jaimoe? I'm spoiled.

It's such a pity you guys cannot respond to DJTrader without resorting to calling him (or her) an asshole or ignorant. If you don't agree with him, you can respond to his opinion, rather than making it a personal attack.

Exactly.

Unfortunately that just seems to be the way it has always been around here. Any dissenting opinion whether stated once or repeated, seems to warrant the wrath of a keyboard warrior who rather than letting it slide makes the choice to attack someone who has spoken out against a "Hero"...too bad, but, that is the way it is now.

"Say something 'bad' about a person I worship and I will take it very personally"

Keyboard warrior! Never heard that...good one.

Did someone say Ted Nugent?!?!?
😛

Actually, it's not a pity that I defend music that many of us care for. What is a pity is that anyone can defend someone that joined this site about 2 minutes ago and then feels that it's ok to bash someone that has contributed greatly to the musical legacy of the Allmans. No one is attacking anybody, rather we are standing up for what we believe in. It's also a pity that there is a continued acceptance of Susan bashing.

Differences aside, they are one of the best bands making music today, period.

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It's such a pity you guys cannot respond to DJTrader without resorting to calling him (or her) an asshole or ignorant. If you don't agree with him, you can respond to his opinion, rather than making it a personal attack.

Exactly.

Unfortunately that just seems to be the way it has always been around here. Any dissenting opinion whether stated once or repeated, seems to warrant the wrath of a keyboard warrior who rather than letting it slide makes the choice to attack someone who has spoken out against a "Hero"...too bad, but, that is the way it is now.

"Say something 'bad' about a person I worship and I will take it very personally"

Keyboard warrior! Never heard that...good one.

Did someone say Ted Nugent?!?!?
😛

Actually, it's not a pity that I defend music that many of us care for. What is a pity is that anyone can defend someone that joined this site about 2 minutes ago and then feels that it's ok to bash someone that has contributed greatly to the musical legacy of the Allmans. No one is attacking anybody, rather we are standing up for what we believe in. It's also a pity that there is a continued acceptance of Susan bashing.

Differences aside, they are one of the best bands making music today, period.

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It's not a pity that you defend the music you care for, it's a pity it can't be done without attacking the person, instead of the opinion.

You can say anything you want.....I certainly am not upset by it. You, like everyone else, are absolutely entitled to your opinion. That said, if you're opinion is that Susan Tedeschi has "no-talent".....your opinion is wrong. One doesn't have to be a singer or musician to figure that out. You (I'm saying you, but anyone for that matter) can not really care for her particular voice, but saying that the woman is untalented just makes you look, well, not smart.

Actually, it sounds pretty funny to say someone is entitled to their opinion, but say their opinion is wrong.

That said, if you're opinion is that Susan Tedeschi has "no-talent".....your opinion is wrong. One doesn't have to be a singer or musician to figure that out.

....

So, here's a question, "How many here were Big or Just Susan fans before "Soul Stew Revival" or the TTB"?

I ask because of the loyalty to all things Allman Brothers on this site, that perhaps her connection to Derek has anything to do with her popularity?...

I was a big fan of the Susan Tedeschi Band. My favorite year was 2006 when the two bands toured together and there were sit-ins with each other, but they still played sets with each band individually.

SSR was still pretty good.

I tried very hard to like the TTB, since I like all the individual musicians. TTB clearly took the road towards song-oriented pop music. The early releases from the new album seem to confirm that's the direction the band is headed. It's not what I like.

I don't fault Derek or Susan for the choices they made, since I see them happier and more successful than they ever were as two separate bands. The last time I saw TTB was the only time I have ever left a show with Derek OR Susan before the end.

but if it's not your jam why feel the need to remind everyone and trash musicians others take joy in?

Because there are always new ideas and views, new songs to discuss, new band members, new participants in the discussion. You can always not take it personally and just go about your day.

I didn't take it personally at all. I respectfully disagreed with you, it's all part of a discussion, for which you are claiming to be a victim. Nut up, dude.

Actually, you do seem to take it personally. Just my opinion, however.

Got my copy of the new TTB CD.
I love this band but I'm disappointed.
Some of the songs are excellent, others sound like they just kept throwing
all these different influences on top and really lost whatever
it was they were trying to say.

Also I have to say a lot of the songwriting is too wordy.
Great songs are often fairly simple, lyrically.

I was worried that it took a band with a recording studio in the backyard
and multiple writers 3 years to put out another original CD.

I still have plans to see them live, and I'm looking forward to it,
But the CD isn't one I'm going to keep in the car.
I suppose it's to be expected with everything that's happened
around them

People.

Give it time.

Give this record some relaxed open-minded listening rather than rushing to comment on it.

Some of my favorite songs are the ones that had to grow on me.

People.

Give it time.

Give this record some relaxed open-minded listening rather than rushing to comment on it.

Some of my favorite songs are the ones that had to grow on me.

I think you're right.... lots of music takes time to grow on oneself.

Got my copy of the new TTB CD.
I love this band but I'm disappointed.
Some of the songs are excellent, others sound like they just kept throwing
all these different influences on top and really lost whatever
it was they were trying to say.

Also I have to say a lot of the songwriting is too wordy.
Great songs are often fairly simple, lyrically.

I was worried that it took a band with a recording studio in the backyard
and multiple writers 3 years to put out another original CD.

I still have plans to see them live, and I'm looking forward to it,
But the CD isn't one I'm going to keep in the car.
I suppose it's to be expected with everything that's happened
around them

I was going to start a new thread on the Album “Signs” then read about Kofi so it can wait.

I like Susan’s voice, and love the band live, but just got through listening to the album and outside of ‘Hard Case’ & ‘They don’t shine’ it’s just a collection of boring 3-4 min songs. This seems like a Susan T. Band album, Derek is barely highlighted on it. I grew up as a kid in the 70’s and my mind’s eye envisioned a band dressed in bell bottoms/turtleneck sweaters playing on Sesame Street.

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