ABB

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ABB

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I only go there because people push me.

You can choose not to be pushed. Your anger is no one's fault but yours....

ABB

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Ok guys, only thread I posted on in a long time.
The Derek thing triggered me and has been a thorn in my side for a long, long time.
Apologies if I offended and you took any offense and yes, I am drunk
But know this, I love The Allman Brothers Band.
I am thankful that I lived close enough to the Beacon to see the number of shows that I have over the years.
I loved the Brothers at MSG and I miss them
If Warren Derek, Marc and Oteil never play again together, it would be a travesty in my mind
I am not asking for Beacon runs
I am not asking for every year
I am just asking for something, sometime, for the joy of the music...

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I only go there because people push me.

You can choose not to be pushed. Your anger is no one's fault but yours....

My anger is because of the lack of respect displayed by the people that are only where they are because of being in the band. Not do much Warren. He shows respect....Derek pisses me off.

Derek has never shown anything but respect for the legacy of, & his amazing chops with, the ABB - he was a well respected guitarist b4 joining in 1999, the ABB alone didn’t lift him to prominence

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The music lives on
It continues to be played.
Personally, I think it would be a travesty if they played repeatedly together with 1 or none of the original members.
Derek has said a living, breathing band has to write and record new music. He also believes in continuing to push forward.
I agree. The band gave as a great send-off in 2014 and a great tribute last month.

So let's listen to some new music, and at the same time get some more archival releases. We need some archival releases.

Ok guys, only thread I posted on in a long time.
The Derek thing triggered me and has been a thorn in my side for a long, long time.
Apologies if I offended and you took any offense and yes, I am drunk
But know this, I love The Allman Brothers Band.
I am thankful that I lived close enough to the Beacon to see the number of shows that I have over the years.
I loved the Brothers at MSG and I miss them
If Warren Derek, Marc and Oteil never play again together, it would be a travesty in my mind
I am not asking for Beacon runs
I am not asking for every year
I am just asking for something, sometime, for the joy of the music...

Hey dude, we all miss it. Nobody loves the music more than those guys on stage.

The music will live on.

Cheers to that

I think porkchopbob stated his opinion very succinctly. The men that created the ABB music are the ones that most likely miss it the most. We as fans, some of which have seen the band, in different lineups, many times, are the fortunate ones that get the vibe. Never in my long life, have as band influenced me the way the ABB has done. I'm 70, in a couple of months, and music has been my passion since kid hood. Cheers to the ABB and all they have given us!

ABB is the best band that ever was, most incarnations. the last one was the best IMO.
IT IS NOT DEBATABLE

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( lol)We should get you & blackey in the same room & digress further:P
My ringside seat would be reserved, hehe
Of course you both agree, as do all here, w/the 1st part of your first sentence

I was not trying in any way to diminish or discredit anyone's opinion, or incur that anyone that disagrees is wrong.

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And yes, I was an asshole tonight and said things I should not have and attacked people that really had no right to

I apologize wareagleRK

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No apology need, I was never offended.

Next time put a breathalyzer on that wifi connection.

Damn was I wrong....

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Warren and Derek did become millionaires mostly because of the ABB. So did Gregg and Jaimoe. And Dickey is richer than all of them and we don't expect Dickey to play now. Actually Dickey can't play and sing well now and is closing in on 77 years old. Derek called Dickey and said much of this is your music so you need to be here but Dickey said he can't travel now but you guys let it rip.

Duane Allman is responsible for a lot of musicians becoming wealthy due to his band but he himself didnt make that much. Gregg said his brother got cheated. Just as the money started rolling in and he got one big check off Fillnore East he got killed.

For me the original band is the best because they invented the classic ABB sound and all six of them had a different style but mixed together it was the Allman Brothers sound and they wrote and arranged, even the covers, most of the band's songbook.

I saw the originial band over a dozen times and have listened to Fillmore East and Eat A Peach so much since 1971 and 2 that I notice Duane and Berry aren't there and it sounds different. There is a difference I hear and I miss Duane and Berry. Of course the Chuck Lamar lineup is different. Very different sounding ABB. But saw some smoking shows from that lineup especially in 1973.

They almost ruined their legacy in late 1980 to 1982 when they fired Jaimoe and added Mike Lawler. They REALLY sounded different then and it was difficult to hear some of those songs and think back to what Duane had put together.

All of the 1989 to 2014 lineups where much better and lots of strong shows but it did take a few years for me to adjust to Dickey being out because his sound was so huge to the sound of the band. And Butch saying they were slowly dumping Dickey's songs. I agreed Blue Sky should be dropped.

Derek is concerned a full tour with one original member and no Gregg on vocals would slowly evolve into another situation like 1981. He is very protective of the band's legacy. And I know from what Derek has said and a source that Derek was ready to move full time I

Innto his own project in 2009 but was pressured to give it another 5 years and he did. So he gave us five more years than he would have.

But I also agree with our friend who said he wrote while being half seas over. That MSG was a real good show and it would be good to see that lineup to does perhaps a 5 to 6 show Beacon.

But without Gregg's vocals and Jaimoe's age, to put it back on the road again, it could slowly devolve into something that Derek doesn't want to see.

We have some promise with Allman Betts Band. I saw them a few months ago and some real nice ABB songs but they also do non ABB material so it doesnt feel like an ABB show but MSG did except Gregg's vocals missing was noticed but the playing was so good that you still liked it. Yeah would seeing several shows of a big tour without Gregg begin to wear thin? Apparently Derek doesnt want to see that happen.

Derek is concerned a full tour with one original member and no Gregg on vocals would slowly evolve into another situation like 1981. He is very protective of the band's legacy. And I know from what Derek has said and a source that Derek was ready to move full time I

I respect this logic but dont fully comprehend it.

The band's legacy ended when the band played their last show in 2014. Whether or not anybody thinks they were a cover band at that point in time is beyond the point. They were playing as The Allman Brothers Band until 10/282014.

Any performances beyond that time and as another name, The Brothers or anything else, does not impact the legacy of ABB, much like the work of Dead & Co does not impact The Grateful Dead.

John Mayer is not Dead canon now. Much like any future work of The Brothers would not be ABB canon, imo. Derek knows better, and understands people want to hear ABB now more than ever; he inadvertantly admits this when he plays ABB with TTB, something he never did with dtb.

My ultimate point is that Derek can be stubborn and after seeing a demand for ABB music being played, this may develop into a few more shows or a small Beacon run without Trucks becoming concerned this will dilute the ABB legacy.

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Take away the Allman Brothers name.

If this group of players got together and called themselves The Flying, Leaping Jumping Scary Monkeys and didn't play a single ABB song - I would go every time.

The added history of the ABB and the songs is just an absolute bonus.

One Set of ABB

One set of Anything they want - with any guest that they want

Finish with an ABB classic - who is going?

The majority of us.

Warren and Derek did become millionaires mostly because of the ABB. So did Gregg and Jaimoe. And Dickey is richer than all of them and we don't expect Dickey to play now. Actually Dickey can't play and sing well now and is closing in on 77 years old. Derek called Dickey and said much of this is your music so you need to be here but Dickey said he can't travel now but you guys let it rip.

-Never would have expected Dickey at MSG show. No animosity though on why not

Duane Allman is responsible for a lot of musicians becoming wealthy due to his band but he himself didnt make that much. Gregg said his brother got cheated. Just as the money started rolling in and he got one big check off Fillnore East he got killed.

- Yes, sad he did not see his seed bear fruit...

For me the original band is the best because they invented the classic ABB sound and all six of them had a different style but mixed together it was the Allman Brothers sound and they wrote and arranged, even the covers, most of the band's songbook.

- Originals were outstanding and pioneering, something no one did before, and no one will do again

I saw the originial band over a dozen times and have listened to Fillmore East and Eat A Peach so much since 1971 and 2 that I notice Duane and Berry aren't there and it sounds different. There is a difference I hear and I miss Duane and Berry. Of course the Chuck Lamar lineup is different. Very different sounding ABB. But saw some smoking shows from that lineup especially in 1973.

- Nothing to say be envious.

They almost ruined their legacy in late 1980 to 1982 when they fired Jaimoe and added Mike Lawler. They REALLY sounded different then and it was difficult to hear some of those songs and think back to what Duane had put together.

- everyone lost it or sucked in the early eighties..

All of the 1989 to 2014 lineups where much better and lots of strong shows but it did take a few years for me to adjust to Dickey being out because his sound was so huge to the sound of the band. And Butch saying they were slowly dumping Dickey's songs. I agreed Blue Sky should be dropped.

- So my first show was at the Beacon in 96, with Dickey, Warren and Woody. That first show converted me like someone that becomes a born again (fill in the blank). By the time Dickey was being forced out, I actually supported it, because the first three years going to the Beacon to multiple shows on a run, every night was different. rarely repeating songs more than once or twice in 10 night runs. Then, in 98 or 99, it started getting bad. Dickey was getting sloppy and setlists were being repeated every other night. As someone that was drawn to the music being pushed to new levels, I felt Dickey started playing it safe and predicatble, to cover his habits. I welcomed the change and Pearon and Herring gave the music new life. When the DerekWarren era began, it was probbly like the old timers that were lucky enough to see DuaneDickey. You knew that duo respected the music, but built on it. Something I am sure Duane would have done

Derek is concerned a full tour with one original member and no Gregg on vocals would slowly evolve into another situation like 1981. He is very protective of the band's legacy. And I know from what Derek has said and a source that Derek was ready to move full time I

- I totally am supportive of maintaining the integrity of the music, and never "cashing in"

Innto his own project in 2009 but was pressured to give it another 5 years and he did. So he gave us five more years than he would have.

- Not familiar with this. no comment

But I also agree with our friend who said he wrote while being half seas over. That MSG was a real good show and it would be good to see that lineup to does perhaps a 5 to 6 show Beacon.

- I am not asking for anything except once in a while

But without Gregg's vocals and Jaimoe's age, to put it back on the road again, it could slowly devolve into something that Derek doesn't want to see.

- I would never want or be happy about a Dead and co type tour, unless they felt so energized and missed playing together so much, that the tour was necessary for them, not to cash in. If they did get the jones, Beacon would be just fine.

We have some promise with Allman Betts Band. I saw them a few months ago and some real nice ABB songs but they also do non ABB material so it doesnt feel like an ABB show but MSG did except Gregg's vocals missing was noticed but the playing was so good that you still liked it. Yeah would seeing several shows of a big tour without Gregg begin to wear thin? Apparently Derek doesnt want to see that happen.

- Allman Betts is great. Are they filling the full gap ABB left? of course not. But they are good, get better each time I see them, and the apple don't fall far from the tree. Originals are decent. Duane has a nice tone that can only be a Betts ex.Autumn Breeze

The band's legacy ended when the band played their last show in 2014. Whether or not anybody thinks they were a cover band at that point in time is beyond the point. They were playing as The Allman Brothers Band until 10/282014.

- True

Any performances beyond that time and as another name, The Brothers or anything else, does not impact the legacy of ABB, much like the work of Dead & Co does not impact The Grateful Dead.

- True

John Mayer is not Dead canon now. Much like any future work of The Brothers would not be ABB canon, imo. Derek knows better, and understands people want to hear ABB now more than ever; he inadvertantly admits this when he plays ABB with TTB, something he never did with dtb.

- I attribute this more that ABB is gone. Mule did the same IMO. There was no need to play ABB when they were playing so many Beacon shows, and touring in the summers.

My ultimate point is that Derek can be stubborn and after seeing a demand for ABB music being played, this may develop into a few more shows or a small Beacon run without Trucks becoming concerned this will dilute the ABB legacy.

- I do not think anyone can interpret what Derek is thinking, unless he states it in and interview or something. My guess about it, He does feel the music is something to protect, loves the freedom of creating new music and exploring his whim.
Probably am unpopular view that will instigate some backlash, but I kinda feel Derek got offended by some of the ABB community that trashes his wife. You have all seen it. You know it is out there. How would you deal with it, if you thought you were all family, and then heard and seen the minority that bad mouthed your wife any chance they got. It happened with Phil too.

I totally understand Derek's stance!

He along with Warren out front had a huge part in holding up ABB's legacy for the last 15 years the band existed.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT OUT OF DEREK?

This is NO different than Robert Plant doing ONE reunion show with Zep in 2007 then saying goodbye. Just like Plant, Derek has moved on musically into other genres with TTB and that's where he is at, at this point in time. It's 2020, not 2010.

So I watched The Brothers concert live, in HD on a 55" Samsung with my Pops who saw the actual ABB countless times, front row, in NY any chance he got during the early to mid 70s. Needless to say, this music has always been (and continues to be) a big part of my life--musically and spiritually. There has never been another Duane Allman. The collaborative genius of the original six will never be recreated, IMHO (and I've listened to absolutely everything I can get my hands on my 69-71).

With that preface, I just have to chime in to say that what we witnessed at MSG on 3/10 was magical. Not trying to romanticize anything, but the ferocity, timing, and pure joy that was on that stage shouldn't be recreated. Yes, it obviously left much more to be desired, and all of us (myself included) craving for more. But they left it all out there. They played their hearts out. They played with a cohesiv-ness that was simply unfathomable after years apart and less than a week of practicing together. It was special. And the current climate makes it that much more special--given the fact that it was a mere hours/days away form not happening at all.

If Derek or anyone else does not want to dive back in with the group and play in the future, then I admire the decision for what it is. Part of me is dissapoointed, of course. I have watched DT's solo at the end of Mountain Jam from that night more times than I can count. Seeing him soar on his gold top with Duane Trucks jamming behind him is truly special.

But that night was special. If it happens to be, it is a mighty worthy swan song for Brother Jaimoe, if you ask me. My dad and I turned to each other multiple times throughout the 4+ hours of music that night, saying: "They don't want to stop playing. They're having too much fun." If that is where the Brothers "legacy" ends on, it is a far fitting way to wrap up 5 decades of music. Let the night live on with the candle still burning. No need for an encore.

I've met a few who were bigger ABB fans than me but most of those have passed on now.

How I wish that I could've made the trip to NYC last month! I know that was a spectacular event!

All of these players are artists in their own rights. Paying homage to the Allman Brother's Band is a fine thing, but most of these guys have their own legacies to develop. Derek should have the opportunity for people to look back at HIS musical contributions and marks instead of furthering the legacies of Duane and Dickey. Oh yeah - just my opinion here. 😉

I just remembered Jaimoe is playing on a festival this summer the Allman Betts Band is on and some of the guys in several bands with be joined by Jaimoe at the end for an ABB set.

So Jaimoe is going to play this summer.

This pandemic likely will cancel that and all shows here and in Europe.

Wouldn't it be frustrating if the MSG lineup had a tour this summer but had to be cancelled.

Every one be careful. Trump said yesterday that lots of people are going to die over the next two weeks. Could be 200,000 here in America.

I took my daily 2 mile walk this morning but wore a homemade facial covering this time.

I want Derek to put his sole focus on his career. TTB is one of the best live bands out there right now. I think Derek cares about the legacy of the ABB and that's why they cover them.

I think that show at MSG should be the end. It was a really good show and they did the music justice. No need to do it again especially if all the players aren't into it.

What I think we'll see someday is a Wheels of Soul Tour that is TTB and Mule. In that situation an encore of ABB songs with members of both bands would be great.

Derek owes nobody. And if the ghost of Col Hampton has a vote
it will not be to recycle the past. Derek can play that stuff if he turns
into a nostalgic old fart some day.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.

He's right to be protective of his legacy.

There's nothing like people that only want an artist
to be a robot, if you have to keep having The Same Thing
then dust off your favorite media and press play.

Live in this moment.
If one tries to live in the past, it's already been written.
Go out there and take chances.
That's what it's all about.

Derek owes nobody.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.

Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise.

FWIW, I personally think that while the anger and entitlement towards Derek or anyone else is wrong. the underlying sentiment that Derek, Warren, Oteil and Marc should be playing together more than once every 5 years is correct. They don't owe us or anyone anything. It's just damned good!

Derek owes nobody.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.

Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise.

He owes the fans the performance for the show they pay for. After that show is over, that contract is done until the next show.

To say he owes the fans to play the songs and music they want with the musicians they want him to play with is not true. More importantly, it's not fair to him or Warren or anyone else.

Yes, we love to see these musicians play together and I hope in some form once every year or every other year they can. It would be a shame of Warren & Derek never play together again, or never do another project together again. However if it doesn't happen ever again none of those guys owe us anything.

Quote:
"Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise."

Disagree.

Gratitude for a career trajectory, yes. Work hard and deliver, yes.
Gratitude for fans, yes. If you don't like the product don't buy it.
If he wants to play ukelele for the next 10 years it's his life to live.

So no, he doesn't owe you a single thing.

Derek owes nobody.

He has said in interviews he will carve his own
path regardless of the disgruntled fan base that gets
left behind. He smirks in your disgruntled direction.

Derek, like every paid musician, owes his fans everything. It is naive to think otherwise.

"Naive"?.....Please....And just how long is he expected to "owe"? I would argue that the "Debt" is paid in full at the end of any performance he chooses and is financially rewarded to give.