Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Thanks for posting this jszfunk. The short snippet of “Our House” with Joni Mitchell was very nice.
It’s a bit sad to think Crosby is still on all their shit lists....But I suppose he deserves it. Is Neil still with Daryl Hannah and that’s who Crosby commented about?
Thanks for the link. I wanted to see this. Interesting and sad.
I've been revisiting Deja Vu quite a bit in the past year. It's a masterpiece!
Yes Crosby is on the crap list. Especially with Graham and Neil.
Reminds me of Butch Trucks and Dickey Betts. Gregg Allman eventually warmed to Dickey again and Dickey held no grudge for Gregg. But Butch apparently stayed irritated about Dickey. And apparently a good slice of that went way back to 1970.
Graham said it correctly if you think about it. Once that thread is broken in a band between specific members it can never be fixed. They will likely never play with David again.
And I guess after the year 2000, Butch and Dickey couldn't have been in the Allman Brothers at the same time.
It is a little sad to see the strained relationships between DC and the others. Life is to short.
I wish this was a little bit longer(for the soloing of Stills and Young). Love to hear those guys play together.
This is a long version of Blue Bird that is only on a compilation that came out in 1973. Another example of Stills and Young at work. Maybe Furay also. The acoustic and electric playing is wicked good.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
It is a little sad to see the strained relationships between DC and the others. Life is to short.
I think it's a minor miracle when any friendships from your 20s last 5+ decades. Especially musicians who meet so many amazing people on the road. These four guys have definitely tried to tour together, but by all accounts, Crosby is a miserable person to be around (even that may be too kind). I'd say life it too short to spend your twilight years around someone you don't want to be around, these guys don't need the money anymore.
It is a little sad to see the strained relationships between DC and the others. Life is to short.
I think it's a minor miracle when any friendships from your 20s last 50+ decades. Especially musicians who meet so many amazing people on the road. These four guys have definitely tried to tour together, but by all accounts, Crosby is a miserable person to be around (even that may be too kind). I'd say life it too short to spend your twilight years around someone you don't want to be around, these guys don't need the money anymore.
This. I didn't want to comment directly on the CSN family laundry - or that of any other celebrity or royalty. As far as I'm concerned that's their stuff to work through. I've never understood the need/desire for these types who would otherwise demand privacy to drag their personal issues out into the public. Already I have digressed.
Keeping friendships and relations from your formative years alive - that's what I logged in to discuss!
In some of the Covid threads I have mentioned a few of my acquaintances whose philosophies and political bents have gotten ... BENT in their senior years. We were all genuine hippies in the day. Peace and love, music and art, smoking weed and lettin' others just be - that was our way in 1972. A few of these folks - who I will always have room in my heart for - have really just become different people as they've gotten older.
A few actually consider themselves to be "conservatives" these days but certain elements of their lifestyles suggest otherwise. A couple of them have gotten old and paranoid. One insists that Joe Biden has opened the border gates with the intention of giving his Social Security away to illegals (specifically those with brown eyes). I only have to be around these guys for a few minutes before talk turns to stolen elections, Covid hoaxes and the ridicule of wearing a mask and the aforementioned danger of immigration.
In short, these guys are not the same people that I became friends with back in the day. If I were to meet them now for the first time, I'm sure I'd just keep on truckin'.
Peace.
"R"
Totally. And not that it can't be done, my father-in-law has a group of 4-5 friends that he has been close to since he was in his early 20s. Meanwhile, some of his extended family drives him crazy.
But anyone who has ever started a band knows it's tough to find 1 person who a) shares your musical interests, b) is talented, and c) is easy to be around, let alone 4 or 5 others. I had a band that was just getting off the ground February 2020 (you can imagine where that ended up) and the drummer would walk into rehearsals complaining about Pelosi and the Democrats. Didn't matter which side he was complaining about, it was just super tiresome and killed the music vibes. He also kept name dropping people he'd sat in with, made us listen to old gigs of his from the 20 years ago. We didn't care. Good drummer, but no one liked being around him.
Good posts, but esp w/CSN it’s a shame to see them at their advanced ages harboring animosity, coming from the peace/love/hippie era
it’s been that w/so many bands - John George & Ringo were aligned against Paul during their breakup, fortunately they moved past it post-Fab
but Peter Wolf’s acrimonious departure from J Geils, same Lamar’s from Sea Level….
Bands like Boston & Credence were basically one man shows, which led to huge problems - as was mentioned, Dickey’s departure…..
David has had really good CDs in recent years
but CCR is probly the mother of all of em, esp involving siblings - Tom, Doug & Stu sued John seeking more input into the band & less his sidemen….
I recall Joe Walsh saying, regarding Don Felder and Glen Frey, "sometimes everybody is right". The Eagles are an example of people putting grudges aside for the sake of money. Most musicians don't want to be unhappy playing the same thing every night, but as they get older, a lot of musicians don't want to be poor.
Regarding CCR, John Fogerty always came off as kind of a prick in the interviews I've seen, but so did Doug & Stu. It's what happens when the business gets in the way of the music - John was making all of the money. I recall Tom quit, and Doug and Stu demanded more input, so John made them write and sing on their last album and it sucked. John may have been right, but he's also got an ego.
The Doors shared the royalties and credit, and you don't see them at each others' throats or destitute.
The Band was the saddest disintegration to me. Robbie wanted other things than being on the road, you can't really blame him considering the career he's had scoring films. The other four had a hard time keeping that train rolling, and none of them wrote material afterwards that compared. It's complicated, Robbie comes off a little douchey, but Levon, Rick, and Richard all had their own issues. Sometimes no one is right.
When Crosby releases this new one that’s four high quality albums in a little over three years.
Weakest link? The British guy with the pop cheese. Young never joined a band he can’t wait to quit.
Stills is good.
Just my opinion. I am a grouchy old dude too.
When Crosby releases this new one that’s four high quality albums in a little over three years.
Weakest link? The British guy with the pop cheese. Young never joined a band he can’t wait to quit.
Stills is good.
Just my opinion. I am a grouchy old dude too.
I want to like DC's solo stuff, but just does not grab me at all. Maybe if it was just him and a acoustic guitar, that might be good.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
I have been a fan of the ABB and their spin-off bands since the early 70s. This is the first I've heard about an issue with Lamar and Sea Level. Anyone care to fill me in?
@steved Yes me too. Didn't know Lamar had a split with Sea Level. I was aware Chuck and Lamar passed on being in the Allman Brothers in 1978 and remained with Sea Level. Phil Walden put some pressure in them and they played with the Allman Brothers in 1978 at the Capricorn picnic. But Chuck said he made is clear to Phil that it still felt like it did in 1975 and 1976 and not 1973 when the band was really cookin'.
I knew Butch Trucks wanted to be in Sea Level in 1976 and they did a tour of clubs with Butch and Jaimoe on drums but after the tour, Chuck told the guys he liked it better when it was just the four of them.
But soon afterward Chuck replaced Jaimoe with George Weaver on drums and added Davis Causey making it two guitars and added Randall Bramlett on sax and additional keys. Jaimoe was then on congas and percussion but soon quit telling the press that he decided to split because it had quit being a band and became Chuck's show and being the greatest piano player in music.
Could it be Jaimoe? Jaimoe walked from Sea Level.
Hey there Robertdee, yeah that makes more sense. Thanks!
Obviously neither of you are familiar with the circumstances surrounding Lamar’s departure from Sea Level - nor have read Between Rock & A Home Place
Sure is great to have people step in to fill the knowledge gap instead of posting tired old rehashes of what everyone knows, or self aggrandizing comments.
“It caused a lot of heartbreak, but we did it. We fired Lamar. I understand his hurt and feelings of betrayal and wasn’t surprised when he filed suit to prevent his dismissal. The whole thing was ugly for awhile and there was lasting pain on all sides. It was an incredibly rough situation, and for a long time we were at odds with each other over it. It remained an unresolved issue between us for years”
from Chuck Leavell’s book Between Rock & A Home Place
Nope not familiar at all with it as I mentioned it was the first I heard of such. Obviously! Lol thanks for sharing the info. Care to elaborate?
I did get to see Sea Level a few times and they were a really good band. Once with the Dregs opening and then Steve Morse came out to do Jessica with Sea Level.
@stephen. You are right. I have been following the band closely since early 1970 and missed that and I don't know that book.
Chuck Leavell is such a great keyboard player. The best ever in the ABB. And listening to his interviews and meeting him in person a few times he strikes me as a very nice and thoughtful man. Therefore I was disappointed back in 1977/8 when I read Jaimoe explaining why he quit Sea Level and I knew Jaimoe had already been replaced as the drummer. Disappointed Lamar had issues with Sea Level too.
Lamar saw the business side of music up close and personal -
neither he or Chuck saw any residual$ from B&S - after a lengthy lawsuit, Chuck was awarded $39,501 - which Lamar saw none of - he petitioned the court for half of it, but unsuccessfully
…..this was all late ‘79 or so - then the sudden dismissal from Sea Level, eventually “so impoverished that his children would soon be on public assistance” (Midnight Riders - all this info is from Midnight Riders)
….then soon after that, contracted cancer & died Jan 1983 at age 34
so this great man was seriously shortchanged more than once
how proud would he be of his son - Lamar Jr. is a Great musician
take care and know that you are loved, Lamar - so loved your playing bro
Thanks for the thread. Spinning Deja Vu. In spite of all the drama Rock N' Roll brings, there will always be the music one way, shape or form. Cheers!
