Jonesy it is true Derek and Warren were the guitar duo longer than Duane and Dickey but neither Derek or Warren were in the band as long as Dickey. But Warren comes close. 20 years total to Dickey's 25 years and I don't use 30 years as most. I subtract 1977, 1983, 4, 5, 7 and 8 as the band was on hiatus.
Duane and Dickey 1969 to 1971. Warren and Derek 2002 to 2014. Two years verses twelve years.
But as odd as it may seem, the Duane years are the focus years for average fans and fans like me and the radio stations that play classic rock and the compilation albums they put out on the band. Except for something from Brothers and Sisters and the occasional Soulshine, Good Clean Fun and No One Left To Run With, on the three classic rock stations I can pick up play songs with Duane on them. From airplay and compilation albums, one gets the impression Duane and Dickey were in the band together for 40 years.
I get it blackey-- I think we all properly focus on the early years with reverence given what those amazing young men did. I do mean young too---just look at all their ages when Duane passed. Their musical originality and talent was amazing.
I analogize Warren-Derek era to the current John Mayer era of Dead and Company. Garcia was irreplacable....as was Duane. At least the ABB had Dickey and he already played lead. The Dead had to bring in other guitarists to play lead, including Warren bizarrely enough to me; Mayer is the Haynes/Trucks answer to Garcia that they were to Duane, he's that good. Warren and Derek were amazing torchbearers and were/are good enough to warrant musical comparisons to Duane and Dickey. Man that is a powerful statement. I've seen Derek go off in his new band and it is crazy what he does. Warren and the Mule is a musical powerhouse.
They do deserve more than you are willing to give them
Jonesy. I was talking casual fan of the ABB. And I first saw the band in 1970.
But I also love Warren and Derek. I see them everytime they are near me.
First time I saw Warren solo was about 1993 when he released his first solo album. I bought the record too.
Then not long afterward I saw Gov't Mule on their very first tour and bought their first album too. It was a trio then.
Best guess:
Set 1:
DWYNM>Cross
Ain’t Wasting Time
Trouble No More
Blue Sky
Sailing Cross The Devil’s Sea
Soulshine
Midnight Rider
Done Somebody Wrong
Come and Go Blues*
Southbound*
Jessica*
Set 2:
Revival
Statesboro
Melissa
End Of The Line
Stand Back
High Cost of Low Living
Every Hungry Woman
Leave My Blues At Home
Dreams
Liz reed>
Mt Jam pt 2
E: Rambling Man
One Way Out
Whipping Post
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I analogize Warren-Derek era to the current John Mayer era of Dead and Company. Garcia was irreplacable....as was Duane. At least the ABB had Dickey and he already played lead. The Dead had to bring in other guitarists to play lead, including Warren bizarrely enough to me; Mayer is the Haynes/Trucks answer to Garcia that they were to Duane, he's that good. Warren and Derek were amazing torchbearers and were/are good enough to warrant musical comparisons to Duane and Dickey. Man that is a powerful statement. I've seen Derek go off in his new band and it is crazy what he does. Warren and the Mule is a musical powerhouse.
They do deserve more than you are willing to give them
I respectfully disagree. Warren was sought out by Dickey because he had the chops to push him, and Derek was brought in because of obvious family ties and chops.
While Mayer does have some chops I don't really hear him bringing anything new to the table that any other Jerry imitators couldn't have brought. John K fron DSO and Furthur was the more interesting player to me. Mayer seems like a by product of Bobby's pop music and young girl fetishes and the band wanting a big ticket draw for a younger crowd.
Just my opinion, I respect Mayer's ability but his ego makes him a little hard to stomach.
"It seems like Rockin Horse was never really a favorite of anyone's as an ABB tune."It certainly seemed to be a favorite of Warren's! --This is a very interesting topic. I will definitely be wondering what the most unexpected selection is that they will roll out.
A previous poster made the observation that Derek and Warren will have a lot of say with only Jaimoe to pull back on them (ya think Dickey and Gregg wouldn't have had strong opinions?).
Why does anyone think Jaimoe is going to be pulling back on anyone? I don't know the man, but that doesn't square with what I know about him. It's a weird thing to assume. It's true there were sometimes things Butch and Gregg didn't want to do or play, but that doesn't mean Jaimoe would do the same. And the flipside of that is this: Warren and Derek both had strong opinions about what an Allman Brothers show was supposed to be, and since they came at that legacy from the outside, they thought about it in a different way from the older guys.
Yes Warren and Derek studied the originial Allman Brothers line up intently. Both said they wore out copies of Fillmore East when they were young. When the the original four decided to put the band back on the road for a 20th anniversary tour in 1989, it was Warren who pushed them to go back to square one and start over as everyone felt the last lineup and albums had moved too far away from the original vision for the band. Much how many Doobie Brothers fans felt about their shift to a pop sound after Michael McDonald joined. But the Doobies picked up as many new fans as they lost and their records sold well during that period. Not so with the ABB.
Johnny Neal didn't seem a good fit to me though he sounds good on Seven Turns. Gregg says in his book he didnt like Johnny in the band and voted not to renew his contract when it expired.
When Jack Pearson quit Butch called Dickey and said Derek was ready and during 1999 Butch actually complimented Dickey's revitalized guitar playing saying Dickey was playing the best right now since the early 90's. And it was because Derek reminds everyone of Duane on slide. Things nosed dived the next year.
Chuck contributed a lot to Brothers and Sisters and Reese was the keyboard player originally and likely would have kept the gig if Gregg had said no I'm staying in Los Angeles. Duane, Dickey and Berry doing the led vocals and none of Gregg's songs that are on the first two albums? They may have made it anyway but it would have been harder to do.
Anyway they absolutely have the right musicians for this gig. Dickey deserves to be there and Otiel said he was contacted straight away but due to his health Dickey can't fly right now. Dickey isn't able to bring it anymore either but I would love to see him just come out and wave. He would get a standing ovation. Dickey and Gregg too sure wrote a lot of fantastic songs for the band. No other members come close.
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Yes Warren and Derek studied the originial Allman Brothers line up intently. Both said they wore out copies of Fillmore East when they were young.
That's true, but I was thinking more about their view on the band's ingredients, if that makes sense. There were times in the band's later years that Gregg said he was interested in doing an album, and I think Warren and Derek's take was that for it to be a real Allman Brothers album, it had to include some songs from Gregg, not just covers and stuff mainly written by Warren. For whatever reason Gregg didn't want to do that, and that's one reason there was no album. It's a little bit like the complaints Butch used to make about Mountain Jam always sounding like the Fillmore/Eat a Peach version: they saw it as a tradition to emulate and he maybe didn't have the same attachment to it.
Some real good posts here
Probly offbase or whatever - won’t be there or watching stream -
And, it might be too cavernous a venue too pull off, but a quick acoustic set to open their post-intermission set would be cool to see, Oteil makes 7 Turns his own how he sings it, you know he would Tombstone Eyes too, then COIMKitchen into Old Friend & back into electric set.....
No matter what they play it’ll be real nice, glad for show goers who got in so affordably
