It's a terrific show, and they were absolutely on fire during this post-One for Woody September mini-run. The concert the night before this in Virginia was also great. There was probably a lot of weight off their shoulders by this point and Jimmy and Oteil and Derek probably wanted to leave it all onstage.

The 9-23-2000 show can be heard/downloaded from Sugarmegs.org.

What was the show that Jimmy and Derek went "out" on Mt. Jam and after the show Gregg asked them " who's the f*cking Phish fan?" LOL.

6.21.00 ^

Thank you!

Gregg said he was tired of all the jamming and long sections with no singing on Whipping Post etc and was ready to put a stop to it and he let Jimmy and Derek know it. Then he remembered this was his brother's band and Duane loved that kind of stuff. So he went back to Jimmy and Derek and told them to go back to doing it that way. Gregg said he realised that is why he had a solo band.

I well remember the interview but can't remember the source. 20 years ago!

Gregg said he was tired of all the jamming and long sections with no singing on Whipping Post etc and was ready to put a stop to it and he let Jimmy and Derek know it. Then he remembered this was his brother's band and Duane loved that kind of stuff. So he went back to Jimmy and Derek and told them to go back to doing it that way. Gregg said he realised that is why he had a solo band.

I well remember the interview but can't remember the source. 20 years ago!

I don't know that he was "ready to put a stop to it" (what would that have meant?), but he didn't care for too much jamming. The famous story is that he blew up at Derek and Oteil and Jimmy about it after one show where things got especially jammy and weird, and then a few minutes later he apologized right. Specifically it was about this Mountain Jam from the fifth show of the tour.

From about the 10 minute mark to the drum solo at 15 minutes, things just get further and further out there.

They did have other disagreements about too much jamming in later years, but Warren is much less likely to detune his guitar and play the Pledge of Allegiance than Jimmy is.

help!

can any of you help me track down the "high falls" from this summer? there was one where they absolutely crushed it.

help!

can any of you help me track down the "high falls" from this summer? there was one where they absolutely crushed it.

6.16 Virginia Beach, first show of the summer tour, I thought that was a great version, I know they played it a few more times after that.

Show also memorable because Derek teases 'Mule' at the beginning of Jessica for obvious reason. This might be a Robbie Dunn recording as he taped a lot of shows at that time.

I agree with Gregg about that Mountain Jam.

Musicians are far too talented to just make noise.

It was easy to tell that Gregg got bored during solos after a while. He would drift off and miss cues all the time. Some came up with various health reasons. I think he was just bored. Then he started surrounding himself with barriers for sound.

If Warren hadn't returned, I think Gregg might have called it a day.

Mountain Jam was never my favorite though especially at 35 minutes of it. Prefer to hear a few other songs in it's place in a setlist.

CanadianMule Gregg did say that. He said in an interview around 2006 that sometimes he thinks he needs to let Derek and Warren go. They are young and have ideas and desires to pursue their own bands and identities. And Gregg says he too is drawned more and more toward really polishing his solo band. That several of his songs are so different than how he wrote and envisioned them after the Allman Brothers got a hold of them.

Then Gregg revealed when Jimmy Herring didn't take the gig he was going to quit the ABB. That not just anyone can be a member of the Allman Brothers. They had put the wrong people in the band before and it doesnt work when the chemistry isn't right. So Gregg was ready to say screw it and focus on his own band. But when, I remember Gregg using this term, our beloved Warren Haynes .....agreed to come back he decided to keep the ABB going.

help!

can any of you help me track down the "high falls" from this summer? there was one where they absolutely crushed it.

I'm wondering if you mean the September 22 show from Virginia. I'd love to link to a video or a downloadable version, but...

Gregg used to take Power Naps during Derek's solos.

I saw them do a Mountain Jam in Gilford where Derek just kept going and Gregg did an "OMG More?" look. LOL

Derek did the slow build/then Peak and then he started all over. I even turned to my buddy and said "He is playing the same solo twice".

Gregg spent a lot of time on stage listening to guitars wail. I could see that taking its' toll over time.

Thanks for posting got me listening to some of those 2000 shows.

[Edited on 4/10/2020 by JMidnightrider]

Goodness You People's!! The knowledge, insight and love of music shared right here in this little thread is priceless and appreciated and unsurpassed by anyone, anywhere.............Thanks......joe

This show was given to me by Ron Everhart. I loved this lineup. I wish it had lasted longer. The Les Bres is incredible. Derek and Jimmy play great together. Ron introduced us to the guy who taped this but I can't remember his name. I did get to tell him what a great job he did. I wish the band would release some of the shows from this tour as well as some shows from 1999 with Dickey and Derek. There are some great shows from that year also.

When the whole thing with Dickey went down in 2000 I already had tickets for three shows, two of them out of state so I didn't go to them. Very disappointed with the situation. I regretted it after going to this show, July 22nd at Pine Knob outside of Detroit. Here's the setlist:

1. Black Hearted Woman
2. End Of The Line
3. Done Somebody Wrong
4. High Falls
5. Ain't Wastin' Time No More
6. Sailin' 'Cross The Devil's Sea
7. Please Call Home
8. Hot 'Lanta
9. Franklin's Tower
10. Midnight Rider
11. Good Clean Fun
12. Loan Me A Dime
13. Jessica
14. Stand Back
15. Leave My Blues at Home
16. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Encore:
17. Revival

It really isn't my favorite setlist but boy was it good. I think it was the first time I had seen High Falls live and it was the first Loan Me A Dime, so that was cool.

Jimmy just blew me away. He and Derek pulled this off. It was kind of a shame that Jimmy wanted to leave but I guess things worked out the following year given the tragedy with Woody. But then Warren coming back.

Anyway, find this show if you can. It's a keeper! 😉

[Edited on 4/11/2020 by Lee]

Lee I remember Jimmy doing an interview in the fall of 2000 and Jimmy said when Butch told him Dickey sued the band and wouldn't be returning so the gig is yours, Jimmy said it made him uncomfortable. Jimmy said nobody has ever replaced a living member of the Allman Brothers before. ( actually someone had. David Toler replaced Jaimoe on drums in 1980.)
Jimmy said when he was growing up Dickey was one of his heroes and Dickey's solo on One Way Out on Eat A Peach is one of Jimmy's all time favorite guitar solos. Jimmy mentioned the incredible tone and the energy and how good it makes you feel.

Also that was almost the end of the ABB. Gregg said after Jimmy quit he was ready to quit too and concentrate on his solo career. Gregg said they found out in 1980 that not just anybody can be in the ABB. If the chemistry is wrong it just doesn"t work. Gregg said as time went by after 1989 he slowly began to realize Dickey didn't fit but it was mostly his attitude, temper and drinking. And Gregg saidthe last songs Dickey forced on the band were not any good to Gregg. Then Gregg said he knows he too had a drinking problem and should have been voted out a couple of times so this is not the pot calling the kettle black. Actually I thought J. J. Alley was a good instrumental. I didnt care for Tombstone Eyes.

Then he said on the radio interview that when Warren decided to return Gregg decided to stay with the ABB for awhile longer.

Apparently Warren, Derek and maybe Gregg too, according to interviews from Warren and Derek, were ready to wrap up the Allman Brothers in 2009 at the 40th. But they agreed to another 5 years for Butch. Then when that rolled around, Butch got cold feet and wanted to keep going. But Derek and Warren jointly stated 2014 would be it for them. But we got a show in 2020. Hooray.

I recall those Freight Train & Les Brers shows being real highly thought of here on the boards - true they weren’t ABB-sized checks but they were great bands & good to know he kept his hand in it
You are missed bro

I always enjoyed Mtn Jam especially in the later years when they were adding songs to it.

I thought both Freight Train and Les Brer (especially Les Brer) could have developed into something similar to a Gov't Mule draw for Butch. Wonder why Warren and Derek and perhaps Gregg couldn't do at least a Beacon run each year for Butch? Of course Butch wanted to do one more big national tour and he meant like dozens of shows, not the trimed tour literary the band had done in recent years so Warren, Derek and Gregg would devote more time to their own bands.

Butch needed that big tour and a few more Beacon runs to get the IRS off his back. Yes RIP brother Butch.

I think burnout coupled with GA’s rapidly deteriorating health is why the band wrapped. Save for some good nights...they really lost a step after 2009. If they wanted to truly go out in a blaze of glory, they should have called it then. That said, I had great times at those later shows and the guys cashed checks...grateful for them now that there is no more.

help!

can any of you help me track down the "high falls" from this summer? there was one where they absolutely crushed it.

I'm wondering if you mean the September 22 show from Virginia. I'd love to link to a video or a downloadable version, but...

I was at that show, and that was one of the shows that stands out.

Without asking RonE first I'm almost positive that the source for this one was Steve McLellan. Ron gave me a copy fall of 2000. Saw 2 of the summer shows, Va. Beach and Charlotte but not this one. Missed Loan Me A Dime but saw High Falls! These were some great shows but fans weren't going to get an album from The Allman Brothers Rescue Unit frontline of DT, OB, and JH. With Warren you had a primary songwriter, bandleader, and someone to give Gregg a rest singing. From a purely *creative and songwriting* standpoint the band got WAY better after this year with Warren coming.

The source is listed on the homemade cd cover as:
Schoeps MK4 + CMBJ > Sonosax > HHb PDR-1000 (15th row DFC)
My hat is off to the taper, maybe he is still a member here.

[Edited on 4/13/2020 by Holt]

Bob, I caught the Freight Train Band in Asheville the April before Butch passed. Good show, Vaylor tore it up as always and they had a female guitarist who was pretty good too and I think one more. Butch very political from stage. Welcomed by me. Artemis on drums for one song, he lives nearby. And the ONLY time I'd ever heard Butch sing lead on a tune(HWY 61).

The 4 or 5 Les Brers shows I have on disc are *leagues* better than FTB mainly due to the rhythm section(adding Quinones and Jai drastically changes things). If Butch had had great management in place for Les Brers and they had a "name" guitarist in the slot opposite Jack then the crowds would've been bigger and the promoters would've been lining up more to book them. Taking nothing at all away from Pat Bergeson who I find to be a monster talent and an incredible choice by Jack Pearson. If I'd been managing them I would have suggested someone like Steve Kimock who'd been passed up the year before in 2015 and was likely available for the other guitar slot for (that very odd personality/choice of) Mayer in D&C. Only because Mayer can sing and he has better name recognition than Kimock. Kimock smokes him on the guitar (and lap steel/ slide).

I know I would've tried A LOT more to go see a Les Brers than a The Brothers show. Plus the venues that LB played were WAY better than MSG. The final Les Brers show I saw at the Peach '17 with Duane instead of Butch was great, yet incredibly SAD. HUGE hole with no Butch. Gaping . . .

Instead of The Brothers I chose 3 tight shows (2 on the beach) by the David Nelson Band with tickets capped at $50.00 and NO Live Nation or TM involved! . . . a crowd of less than 300 at each show in paradise . . . hiking a craters and waterfalls.

over being indoors at an absolutely *terrible* venue in MSG, 18,000 people, and C19 and several hundred dollar tickets and expensive hotels.

Edit to add: Bob, Derek had a "Made Up Mind". He (DT) stood firm in his decision.

Remember the album cover from TTB's August 20th, 2013 release Made Up Mind? with the bull (DT) taking the train (Butch) head on? Just months before the January 8th separate and joint press release from Warren and DT. That's how I took it anyway. Maybe I'm reading WAY too much into but . . .
I'm pretty sure Butch passed with unresolved issues with his nephew and bandmate, DT(reference a quote from DT in Rolling Stone just days after Butch passed . . . DT says, "After I left the band our relationship didn't get any closer".. Very sad to think about. I saw TTB two nights(1.26.17 in Knoxville) after Butch pulled the trigger. I remember seeing DT's dad, Chris, at the merch stand pre-show as my friend purchased an item. I wanted to say something to him but what do you say to someone after something like that? Just seems like there's not anything that can comfort anyone after that. I still don't understand it 3 years later. You can always get more money some how, some way. Money doesn't matter at the end of life. Born without it and can't take it with you but . . . Can't get another life though. Still makes me SO sad to think about.

I thought both Freight Train and Les Brers (especially Les Brers) could have developed into something similar to a Gov't Mule draw for Butch. Wonder why Warren and Derek and perhaps Gregg couldn't do at least a Beacon run each year for Butch? Of course Butch wanted to do one more big national tour and he meant like dozens of shows, not the trimed tour literary the band had done in recent years so Warren, Derek and Gregg would devote more time to their own bands.

Butch needed that big tour and a few more Beacon runs to get the IRS off his back. Yes RIP brother Butch.

[Edited on 5/23/2020 by Holt]

Wonder why Warren and Derek and perhaps Gregg couldn't do at least a Beacon run each year for Butch?

Keeping in mind that I don't think we've heard much from Jaimoe or Marc or Oteil how they felt about the way the band ended, I think there are two basic reasons: they liked the idea of the band going out on a high note, and they wanted to do other things and didn't want to keep the band going if their hearts weren't in it. They did that for
a while, maybe, and got to a point that they didn't want to do it anymore.

Going out on a high note was a time-sensitive thing since Gregg's health was only getting worse. From 2011 onward the band wasn't at its best a lot of the time because he was really sick. In 2014 it looked like maybe their last Beacon shows were going to be no-Gregg concerts and it was a confusing downer. I've said this a few times but it's amazing they were able to pull it all together for one great final show. If they had continued to play beyond 2014 and especially 2015, there only would've been more cancelations and shows without Gregg, or without him at full strength. The rest of it just comes down to how the guys want to spend their time and manage their careers.

I saw Gregg at Wanee in 2014 after he got sick at the end of the Beacon run. Unfortunately, Gregg broke his hand riding on a golf cart around Spirit of Suwanee Park. So he was limited to one hand and in pain those night. He did well but it wasn't premium Gregg (we did get the added advantage of Kofi on piano/keys for basically the whole show).

Then in Sept 2014 I saw Gregg at Music Midtown in Atlanta and he delivered a strong set and seemed to have a pep in his step. You know the type when Gregg would strut across stage to to grab his guitar. I knew that boded well for the Beacon farewell the following month.

But that wasn't the only time I saw Gregg bounce back quickly during that post-2011 period (such is the nature of treatments he was having). I thought it was downright cruel to have Gregg out on the book tour in 2012. I didn't think he was going to make it long at all after seeing him on TV. Fast forward to end of December 2012 and Gregg (with Jaimoe's Jassz Band opening) play Greenville Peace Center. I could hardly believe how strong Gregg was that night. One of the better shows of his I ever saw. Night and day to how he had been in May of that year.

I certainly got my entertainment worth out of Gregg and the six lineups of the ABB I saw 1990-2014 plus the other 10 Gregg & Friends shows I saw in Atlanta, Greenville, Macon and Wanee.

Don't want to get too far into this but Butch did have an interview just before he died talking about how he was trying his best to get the The Freight Train Band to take big risks and jump into the deep in and take Butch somewhere unexpected with no regard about a possible train wreck. Talked about how that is how they did it when Duane Allman was alive. Then Butch criticized Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes for being so darn predictable and so afraid they would make a mistake. Butch said the last years got so boring and he knew exactly what Derek and Warren were going to do before they played it. That it was time to move on to something fresh.

I wondered if Butch was really just pissed at them for making it clear they were leaving the Allman Brothers in 2014 and they had already agreed to go beyond 2009 which is the date they initially agreed would be the end of the Allman Brothers but not a second time.

Maybe Derek did have a message in that album cover.

[Edited on 4/13/2020 by blackey]