OK, thankfully I fell asleep at halftime, but that still prevented me from being here.
There were 2 Hill op-eds from this spring that I had open and wanted to post the other, which I will highlight below. It is in direct response to the reports of less crime committed by immigrants compared to legal US citizens.
These studies overlook disturbing actual data on crimes committed by criminal aliens. For example, the Government Accountability Office released two unsettling reports in 2005 on criminal aliens who are in prison for committing crimes in the United States, and issued an updated report in 2011.
The first report found that criminal aliens, both legal and illegal, make up 27 percent of all federal prisoners. Yet non-citizens are only about nine percent of the nation’s adult population. Thus, judging by the numbers in federal prisons alone, non-citizens commit federal crimes at three times the rate of citizens.
The findings in the second report are even more disturbing. It reviewed the criminal histories of 55,322 aliens in federal or state prisons and local jails who “entered the country illegally.” Those illegal aliens were arrested 459,614 times, an average of 8.3 arrests per illegal alien, and committed almost 700,000 criminal offenses, an average of roughly 12.7 offenses per illegal alien.
The 2011 GAO report is more of the same. The criminal histories of 251,000 criminal aliens showed that they had committed close to three million criminal offenses. Sixty-eight percent of those in federal prison and 66 percent of those in state prisons were from Mexico. Their offenses ranged from homicide and kidnapping to drugs, rape, burglary, and larceny.
So when I see reports such as GAO in this case, I typically like to go to the report myself and see what is there. I don't just like to drop in and post articles or quotes, I like to add my own comments.
This was the most recent of the two reports cited above:
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf
Here they say that, as of FY 2010 criminal aliens in federal prison were 55,000 and 296,000 state and local jails for FY 2009 for a combined total of 351,000 or 1.38% of their 25.3m lawful and unlawful aliens. The federal figure is up 7% from 2005 and the state/local figure is up 35% from 2003.
A Cato study this year found that both illegal and illegal immigrants had lower incarceration rates than "natives" cited 122,939 illegals and 63,994 legal immigrants for a total of 186,933. https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/immigration_brief-1.pdf
That is quite a difference. But maybe from 2009/2010 to 2017 the legal and illegal prison populations declined that much? Certainly seems the trend is increases based on GAO numbers, not decreases. Or it could be that GAO is using Bureau of Prisons data which is possibly more reliable rather than a United States Census’s American Community Survey?
The disparity I think is enough to question the overall conclusion of immigrants being responsible for less crime. Maybe it is closer to the same, immigrant and native. OK, let's just abandon the claim that they commit more crime as a % of their population. But still when you consider the number of crimes committed by illegals, people who should not be here or walking the streets, if they weren't here those crimes wouldn't have been committed at all.
Another thing, the GAO report states that criminal alien population in federal prisons has ranged from 25-27% 2001-2010. And at the local and state level criminal alien days spent incarcerated represented 5% in 2003 and 6% in 2009. With that consistency in mind I am again skeptical that there would've been a dramatic decrease in GAO's 2009/2010 FY numbers (prison statistics) compared to Cato's 2017 numbers (census survey).
Crimes committed aside, the GAO report states that the cost to incarcerate criminal aliens in our federal and reimbursements to state and local prisons ranged from $1.5-1.6 billion annually 2005-2009.
I continue to contend the cost to our society and the financial cost of incarcerations takes a toll and the problems created by illegal immigration can be minimized by further restricting the flow of those individuals coming here.
I'll just speak for myself, but I'm sure that many others feel the exact same way, it is not my objective demonize people of different nationalities, origins or race so long as they respect the laws of our country and the legal immigration process. We can have work visa programs. We can expand or try and speed up the legal immigration process. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is being lax on illegal immigration, whether it is crossing the border or visa overstays. If you came here with some agreement and violated that agreement you should be subject to the consequences of our laws, same if you come here without permission, you should be removed accordingly.
[Edited on 5/18/2017 by nebish]
When the left-wing loons such as yourself start assigning labels it is nothing more than your dishonesty on the matter.
So then you are dishonest for using the "left-wing" label. LOL, you are such an idiot. I love when you try to sit at the adult table.
Fact:
Criminal illegal aliens have been assaulting, raping and murdering American Citizens and they should not be in our country.
Wow, what an astute observation! So smart! How did you figure this out? Thank you for sharing this breaking news. Nobody would have known this without your vast knowledge!
When the left-wing loons such as yourself start assigning labels it is nothing more than your dishonesty on the matter.
Awesome.
quote] Those types should be given a path to citizenship.
Agreed. And that path should begin with a return to the country of origin and a place in line along with all of the others desiring to become a citizen here.
Thank God you're not in charge! Not even the furthest right-wing conservatives in Washington would suggest something so cruel. Not to mention, who pays for that massive task? That's why law-makers don't act on emotion, and if that's the America you want, you best pack your bags because not even Trump would do that. I challenge you to explain why you feel so threatened by them.
quote] Those types should be given a path to citizenship.
Agreed. And that path should begin with a return to the country of origin and a place in line along with all of the others desiring to become a citizen here.
Exactly right.
It is the law.
That is where the left comes off the rails.
They want to ignore the law when it is contrary to their political agenda.
Notice that the left here never has an actual solution let alone any compassion for the immigrants.
No. They have no problem with the criminals who have been repeatedly deported but, under the Obama administration, could walk right back across the border, hide in plain sight in the "Sanctuary Cities" and continue to assault, rape and murder American Citizens.
The anger you have for an entire group of people is not healthy or normal. Don't let it bother you so much. Since no politician, Republican or Democrat, has ever proposed that type of legislation, it looks like you should also pack your bags and move to a different country that represents your elitist and seclusive point of view, because it's never going to be that way in the US, not with Trump or anyone else. Looks like you have a personal problem of having to accept this reality for the rest of your life, which is why it doesn't pay to get so worked up about it. Don't burst a vein.
Is it anger or just a desire to see the law applied to people who break the law?
I'm not angry.
I could live my whole life and we either open the border completely or lock it down tight, likely won't effect me much personally. I just care because I think the rule of law should rein and the respect for our systems and policies should be upheld.
Same here Nebish. There's a clear difference in tone between your writing and Mule's, Goober's, BIGV. That's the issue. Approaching it with hostility and emotion only adds fuel to the fire and does nothing to improve the situation. Obviously they shouldn't be here and the ideal situation is for everyone to follow the law. Anyone harping on that fact needs to get past it. The problems are much more complex than "they are doing something illegal, so get them out of here." That dysfunctional attitude towards conflict is the root of our deteriorating society - those who engage in it are the problem. The split second someone becomes a little uncomfortable, they lash out in an irrational fear-based hostile reaction. You don't seem to be one of those people.
Is it anger or just a desire to see the law applied to people who break the law?
I'm not angry.
I could live my whole life and we either open the border completely or lock it down tight, likely won't effect me much personally. I just care because I think the rule of law should rein and the respect for our systems and policies should be upheld.
You dared to tell the truth.
Oh man the left is going to go off on you.
They don't care about crimes committed against American Citizens by people who should not be in the country to begin with, just as they don't care about the black people being slaughtered in the cities run by Democrats.
The illegal aliens and black people are nothing more than a vote to them.
[Edited on 5/22/2017 by Muleman1994]
Same here Nebish. There's a clear difference in tone between your writing and Mule's, Goober's, BIGV. That's the issue. Approaching it with hostility and emotion only adds fuel to the fire and does nothing to improve the situation. Obviously they shouldn't be here and the ideal situation is for everyone to follow the law. Anyone harping on that fact needs to get past it. The problems are much more complex than "they are doing something illegal, so get them out of here." That dysfunctional attitude towards conflict is the root of our deteriorating society - those who engage in it are the problem. The split second someone becomes a little uncomfortable, they lash out in an irrational fear-based hostile reaction. You don't seem to be one of those people.
We all have our irrational moments, but those don't get us any where.
In a pretend kind of way sometimes I try and think of it like we are the ones responsible for improving or solving some situation. I try to look at it like we are talking face to face and you are raising your concerns and making your case while I listen. And you do the same for me. Nobody will listen to you if you aren't atleast trying to respect the other side of the equation. At the end of the day we are all Americans and there is some middle ground we could agree upon if given the chance. Maybe I concede something you are absolutely adamant about because I have no compelling counterpoint, and maybe you concede something I care deeply about. Talking at the extreme edges is a little more fun in a selfish way, but the net isn't constructive at all.
Perfectly stated. If someone approaches politics with that attitude, then I would respect their views even if I disagree. I only have a problem with the hostile rhetoric, which we're all guilty of sometimes I guess. I appreciate you practicing that.
Democrats freed 564 illegal alien sex offenders in 2015 alone
http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/05/democrats-freed-564-sex-offenders-in.html
