It's still not a crime till committed. Johnny Depp threatens to kill trump
It's either free speech for both sides or for neither
Goldtop, get a grip. Do you realize you are calling for the murder of hundreds of people who are only guilty of saying horrible things? As disgusting as they are, you are 100% in the wrong for suggesting that the US arrest/prosecute/kill them - if that's what you want, then you don't want America. The murderer with the car has been arrested - justice is being served. Many of us have relatives that fought in wars and we don't fly off the handle writing our congressman to hunt them down. You may not like it, but the 1st amendment is clear.
They can say what they want...they want to kill someone and they did this week
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If you see these groups as any different than ISIS I'm saying I don't....we all have the right to spout hate if we so choose....we don't have the right to bring weapons and try to kill innocent people
You cannot lump the terrorist driver in with the entire group unless they planned it that way. Neo nazis have been here forever - watch the movie "American History X". They have never been a true threat and never will be. If a fringe group wants to remain here, they can, as long as they don't commit crime. The driver is a terrorist and should be prosecuted as such, but if the main group had nothing to do with the driver, then it's wrong to call the entire group terrorists. I hate them too but there should not be any legal action taken against them. To suggest it is un-American and only fuels their fire, and gives the right ammunition to use against the left. There are obviously much better ways, especially versus a tiny fringe group that can't influence sh*t.
If the driver came to the rally with a plan to drive into the crowd I agree. If it was spontaneous reaction to the situation I don't agree. I have no problem with the govt violating any of my privatize to head off planned attacks by anyone
You cannot lump the terrorist driver in with the entire group unless they planned it that way. Neo nazis have been here forever - watch the movie "American History X". They have never been a true threat and never will be. If a fringe group wants to remain here, they can, as long as they don't commit crime. The driver is a terrorist and should be prosecuted as such, but if the main group had nothing to do with the driver, then it's wrong to call the entire group terrorists. I hate them too but there should not be any legal action taken against them. To suggest it is un-American and only fuels their fire, and gives the right ammunition to use against the left. There are obviously much better ways, especially versus a tiny fringe group that can't influence sh*t.
When he ran the car into the woman all of the neo-nazis/hate groups should have been arrested with him as accessories to the crime...they all participated so they should have all been arrested
Speak loud and clear....don't come armed and say this is my 1st amendment right because that is an unlawful assembly...we also can't yell fire in a building full of people...there are limits to the 1st amendment
They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want
When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist
When he ran the car into the woman all of the neo-nazis/hate groups should have been arrested with him as accessories to the crime...they all participated so they should have all been arrested
How did they participate in the murder? Please cite sources that back your claims.
When he ran the car into the woman all of the neo-nazis/hate groups should have been arrested with him as accessories to the crime...they all participated so they should have all been arrested
How did they participate in the murder? Please cite sources that back your claims.
Since they all came weaponized they didn't come to speak they came to incite violence. They must have all colluded to have weapons so that would be conspiracy. There was violence the night before the next day should have been banned right then.
The next day they again came with weapons so they didn't come to exercise their 1st amendment rights they came again as terrorist and they are all culpable for whatever injuries and death that happened.
This was planned by this so called "hate group"...they have many platforms to spout what they want...this was an attempt to bring their war to the streets and they succeeded
On top of that they were given pats on the back by DT
ISIS goes into neighborhoods and kills innocent people based on an ideology
Those "hate groups" did the same thing
They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want
When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist
What ideology was being promoted?
I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"
I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.
They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want
When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist
What ideology was being promoted?
I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"
I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.
Neo-Nazi is an ideology just as ISIS is an ideology...they came to fight for their ideology not speak. The other people have the right to defend themselves when the terrorist go from speaking to fighting
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Mark Twain was ahead of his time; but also of his time. Used the n word throughout guck Finn. His statues; down or up?
General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?
It gets complicated real fast.
Palestinians call for death to Israel. BDS movement is legal to the best of my knowledge
Free speech is free speech
Free speech is not absolute.
General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?
Down.
They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want
When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist
What ideology was being promoted?
I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"
I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.
What ideology is being promoted!? Again…
Here are my thoughts as to why I got into it with you previously. I felt that you greatly trivialized then and are doing it again now, an ORGANIZED invasion of armed Nazis and torchbearing Klan, maybe the largest gathering of race haters ever, into an American city, chanting the slogans of, wearing the clothing of, employing the tactics of (torches, murder - remember Heather Heyer?), and expressing admiration for (Adolf Hitler t-shirts) ideologies that went far beyond "free speech" - they actually led to the slaughter of millions of Jews, lynchings of innocents which were common practice until I was fifteen years old, and centuries of oppression and slavery. The oppression continues to this day. In the case of Nazism it took a goddam WORLD WAR to contain it. In the case of white supremacy in America, it took the goddam CIVIL WAR to contain it. Nazis were allowed to speak and operate freely in Germany, looked upon as beer-hall fringes, until one day they were in Poland, France, Italy, North Africa, Russia, Austria…if they hadn't hated Jewish physicists so much they could have easily had the bomb- they were pretty damn good at rocketry. It's not "protest" and "different opinions" - it's a murderous ideology and it's on the rise because the president and many of his advisers embrace this ideology. No need for sheets and hoods - suits and ties are fine now. No need to meet in the shadows anymore- Trump has our back.
They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want
When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist
What ideology was being promoted?
I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"
I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.
The ideology that whites are the master race, so superior that they are justified in murdering millions of Jews. This went beyond ideology to action - it actually happened. The ideology that whites are superior to blacks, so much so that it is fine to buy, sell and enslave them. This went beyond ideology into action - this actually happened. The ideology that it is right to use terror and murder to suppress and oppress based on race. This goes beyond ideology - it actually happened and is still happening.
They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want
When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist
What ideology was being promoted?
I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"
I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.
What ideology is being promoted!? Again…
Here are my thoughts as to why I got into it with you previously. I felt that you greatly trivialized then and are doing it again now, an ORGANIZED invasion of armed Nazis and torchbearing Klan, maybe the largest gathering of race haters ever, into an American city, chanting the slogans of, wearing the clothing of, employing the tactics of (torches, murder - remember Heather Heyer?), and expressing admiration for (Adolf Hitler t-shirts) ideologies that went far beyond "free speech" - they actually led to the slaughter of millions of Jews, lynchings of innocents which were common practice until I was fifteen years old, and centuries of oppression and slavery. The oppression continues to this day. In the case of Nazism it took a goddam WORLD WAR to contain it. In the case of white supremacy in America, it took the goddam CIVIL WAR to contain it. Nazis were allowed to speak and operate freely in Germany, looked upon as beer-hall fringes, until one day they were in Poland, France, Italy, North Africa, Russia, Austria…if they hadn't hated Jewish physicists so much they could have easily had the bomb- they were pretty damn good at rocketry. It's not "protest" and "different opinions" - it's a murderous ideology and it's on the rise because the president and many of his advisers embrace this ideology. No need for sheets and hoods - suits and ties are fine now. No need to meet in the shadows anymore- Trump has our back.
I think because these are American citizens we have a hard time defining them for what they really are "Terrorist" just as ISIS is a terrorist organization.
I have no problem with free speech....they didn't come to speak...they came to fight as Nazi's so we should take the fight they want to them with them same commitment we did in Europe.
They can march....scream......make video's....use social media to say what they want.....they can't come to fight and if they do it shouldn't be innocent civilians there to confront them...
They want a Nazi level war...give it to them...treat them as war criminals and send them away....
The weren't speaking go look at the videos
I heard the Black Lives Matter organization described as a terrorist organization. All they are saying is, "please Mr. Policeman... stop killing black people." The truth is a bunch of cops have murdered a bunch of black people with apparently no cause. Because of systematic racism built into many American police departments the cops got away with murder.
Now I hear those same people who described BLM as a terrorist organization support the mission of white supremacist. A mission that entails wiping out all people of color.
You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Calling for the eradication of people because of their race is not protected speech.
The antifascist who demonstrated in Charlottesville are not the same as the filthy Nazi animals that advocate for a superior race.
Here's a good example of free speech:
they didn't come to speak...they came to fight
Can you provide evidence of this? The presence of weapons is not evidence, especially if they are registered.
they didn't come to speak...they came to fight
Can you provide evidence of this? The presence of weapons is not evidence, especially if they are registered.
They all came with Tiki torches, most had clubs and shields and many had frozen bottles of water they threw into the crowd...and of course one of them ran a car into a a group of people killing a woman who wasn't armed
Have you watched the videos of the night before and the videos of that day? because it's clear they all had a plan before they arrived or they all wouldn't have had tiki torches that isn't a coincidence
Show me how they came to just speak?? Why is it hard to see some American citizens as terrorists?? when they are/ Its sad for sure and hard to swallow that we can bred these here but it needs a light shown on it right now
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they didn't come to speak...they came to fightCan you provide evidence of this? The presence of weapons is not evidence, especially if they are registered.
What about the shields and helmets? Can you even register riot gear?
I heard the Black Lives Matter organization described as a terrorist organization. All they are saying is, "please Mr. Policeman... stop killing black people." The truth is a bunch of cops have murdered a bunch of black people with apparently no cause. Because of systematic racism built into many American police departments the cops got away with murder.
Now I hear those same people who described BLM as a terrorist organization support the mission of white supremacist. A mission that entails wiping out all people of color.
You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Calling for the eradication of people because of their race is not protected speech.
The antifascist who demonstrated in Charlottesville are not the same as the filthy Nazi animals that advocate for a superior race.
Who support their mission? It's all a question of the limits of free speech. It is clear you can't yell fire in a crowded theater; it is not clear when hate-mongering in public is allowed/not allowed. I can live in any system but hippocracy. Again; can Johnny Depp call for the assassination of Trump? Its just a goose gander thing.
General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?
Down.
I guess this starts a whole new movement? Native American Lives matter more than Black lives?
They all came with Tiki torches, most had clubs and shields and many had frozen bottles of water they threw into the crowd...
Then they are nothing like ISIS.
and of course one of them ran a car into a a group of people killing a woman who wasn't armed
Now this POS is like ISIS.
Have you watched the videos of the night before and the videos of that day? because it's clear they all had a plan before they arrived or they all wouldn't have had tiki torches that isn't a coincidence
I saw the tiki torches as a hilarious, sad, and pathetic way to try to intimidate and look scary. They failed. What a bunch of idiots.
Show me how they came to just speak?? Why is it hard to see some American citizens as terrorists?? when they are/ Its sad for sure and hard to swallow that we can bred these here but it needs a light shown on it right now
I have no problem calling other Americans "terrorists", like the driver and our mass shooters. But until there's proof that they threw the first punch or object, then I cannot call them terrorists - just a small fringe group of backwards lost souls. I'd support putting them on a list and having them surveilled - that would be as extreme as I go. And again, I think they are a disgrace to our country, and lower than animals. But if we take lethal/legal action for them gathering, then I'd be afraid some far-right future leader might do that to a liberal gathering. To beat them, we cannot produce any ammunition against ourselves that might hinder progress.
You need to go research what their goal is and come to terms that they achieved it that day.
They didn't come to speak the guy in the car was not the only terrorist....They were all terrorist...the fact that the Tiki's were used was a sign of how they felt it was a symbol of their terrorism....go ask if the crowd felt terrorized
the fact that you don't is irrelevant...go see what the Rabbi said as he stood outside and watched what they did
They attacked a group of clergy singing...they weren't being violent...you obviously haven't seen the videos
I heard the Black Lives Matter organization described as a terrorist organization. All they are saying is, "please Mr. Policeman... stop killing black people." The truth is a bunch of cops have murdered a bunch of black people with apparently no cause. Because of systematic racism built into many American police departments the cops got away with murder.
Now I hear those same people who described BLM as a terrorist organization support the mission of white supremacist. A mission that entails wiping out all people of color.
You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Calling for the eradication of people because of their race is not protected speech.
The antifascist who demonstrated in Charlottesville are not the same as the filthy Nazi animals that advocate for a superior race.
Who support their mission? It's all a question of the limits of free speech. It is clear you can't yell fire in a crowded theater; it is not clear when hate-mongering in public is allowed/not allowed. I can live in any system but hippocracy. Again; can Johnny Depp call for the assassination of Trump? Its just a goose gander thing.
Johnny Depp made that comment in England. If he had made it here, most likely he would have heard from the Secret Service.
General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?
Down.
I guess this starts a whole new movement? Native American Lives matter more than Black lives?
The fact that people keep putting Nazis on the same level as BLM is very telling.
Here is the dictionary definition of terrorism
ter·ror·ism
ˈterəˌrizəm/
noun
noun: terrorism
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
That rally falls exactly in the definition above and so do all the Neo-Nazi/KKK hate groups participants who showed up to fight for their political aim
General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?
Down.
I guess this starts a whole new movement? Native American Lives matter more than Black lives?
The fact that people keep putting Nazis on the same level as BLM is very telling.
Think you misunderstood me. Was just pointing out (in what I thought was a somewhat humorous manner) that the issue is not always simple. Custer was on the right side of the Civil war; but surely not pro native American. How do you decide what to do with his statue? General Lee was Lincoln's first choice to head the Union Army. He refused mostly because he refused to raise arms against fellow Virginians.
Believe me I have no use for Nazi's; believe that all lives matter
I guess this starts a whole new movement?
No need. The American Indian Movement has been around since Columbus. Good revival since the 1970s. Have done a good job too.
