The silence in the room is deafening. I think we're up to 34 mass shootings this year ... January isn't even over.
This is not a Democrat or a Republican issue - those politicians who pander for votes are a large part of the problem.
A current cop-out (let's call it what it is) is that "this is more of a mental health issue ...". Okay, fine. Now tell me, how are we going to keep mentally unstable folks from accessing firearms? If you haven't noticed, the waiting periods and background checks ain't working.
Anybody out there?
There's only one solution I can think of: If you really want to be away from gun violence, move somewhere else, maybe Sweden or Switzerland, where it is nearly non-existent. The cat's out of the bag in America. It ain't gonna stop. Regulating guns is not going to solve it, and it makes me very sad to say that, and I support gun control. But the fact is, anyone in America who wants a gun can get one, either legally or illegally. There's just too many guns around. I live in Texas as of one year ago, and as most anyone knows, we have open carry here. I'm 68 years old and have never owned a gun in my life and I doubt I'll start now. But I admit that I am starting to wonder: Should I be armed?
Just as bad as the mass shootings & the apathetic non-reaction to it
is the killing by Memphis police of that young man -
video has been released - it makes Rodney King seem tame - what is murder if this isn’t?
whether police, skinheads, rednecks, KKK ****heels, aryan white-supremacist trash, losers muttering racist crap, or just plain ignorance
people of color come under attack from every direction - we see it in traffic stops, where black motorists, including the wife of a congressman, are pulled over for DWB - according to statistics in a story I read awhile ago -
✌️Good wknd - pray for humanity & treat all others as you’d want to be treated
Actions of evil and rogue cops and gun proliferation might either be two separate issues - or two heads on the same beast. I'm not really sure. As for that horrific Memphis shooting - there were FOUR, beefy cops and one lone perpetrator. They couldn't have pounced on him and hog-tied him? Sick stuff, here.
To simply surrender to the idea that there's just nothing that can be done about the easy availability of guns is - TO ME - a defeatist attitude. Anything good - including the elimination or drastic reduction of firearm violence is certainly worth putting in the work for.
Part of the problem is is that so many want to make or introduce politics into the problem. The same is/was true on Covid - but that's another issue. It's the pandering politicians - who GENERALLY do turn out to be Republican that are the biggest obstacle. I've previously used as the analogy of a visiting divorced parent (usually the daddy) who seeks to gain love from the children that he sees once or twice a month by allowing them to have ice cream and candy for breakfast.
The children absolutely love and adore their visiting daddy because he gives them what they want without even considering their nutritional needs. The politicians who cave to those who demand that their 2nd Amendment rights go unimpeded are no different. Anything to get elected!
I could go long here and pi$$ off at least half of the readers. Slight digression - I don't know if it's a yin-yang thing or what, but lately it occurs to me that you could run ANY idea - no matter how far-fetched or bat $hit it sounds up a flag pole and anywhere between 47 - 53% of EVERYBODY will stand up and scream, "HELL YEAH!"
I have attended local re-enactments of Revolutionary War events (I live in an area that is rich in early American history). I have seen up close demonstrations of the weaponry that was around back when James Madison cooked up the 2nd Amendment. These are flintlock and powder fed muskets and pistols. It takes the fastest expert about 2 minutes between rounds to reload these things. They are notoriously inaccurate beyond distances of 30 feet. They did not have auto/semi-auto weapons with 50 round magazines. Always remember this.
I get the idea that we're dealing with a Pandora's Box. Yep, guns are freakin' everywhere. How did this happen? Again - pandering politicians who basically sold out the idea of every citizens' right to attend school, movies even churches without the fear of having their heads blown off - all to get elected so that they'd have access to insider trading and market manipulation. No, there are no Thomas Jefferson's left in Washington, D.C..
If nothing else - the OWNERs of every firearm should at least be held accountable for KNOWING where they are at all times! The un-named mother of the 6 year-old who shot his teacher says that , "the gun was on a top shelf in a closet". If a kid can stack phone books on a chair to reach a cookie jar - they can certainly get that gun in a closet or night stand.
"Gun people" will say that these shootings are "mental health" issues. Okay, fine. Now what steps are you willing to take to keep the guns away from these types? What is your solution to the mentally ill problem - other than giving them death sentences AFTER they commit murder?
SOMETHING has to be done - regardless of anybody's political position.
I'll shut up now.
Peace.
R
It’s all ongoing - since the Memphis killing the carnage has been confined to Calif for some reason - in the latest one, did that double amputee pose enough of a threat to Huntington police officers, to warrant being shot to death
police said he had a knife & they feared for their lives - the wheelchair person was a suspect in a stabbing that left someone critical, article said
No one wins - not gun advocates, gun opponents, the NRA, police, politicians, peaceniks, war freaks, hawks, doves, legit collectors/hobbyists….others w/itchy trigger fingers….
Life sentence for the slimeball in last May’s supermarket massacre in Buffalo
if the punishment fits the crime, a lifetime of suffering ahead - same as the victims’ families
only via a lifetime of hell in & out of solitary confinement on water & a crust of bread
or the jailhouse beatings any white trash deserves To Begin With
@stephen So many things likely wrong with that Buffalo grocery store shooter. Did he learn hatred at home or was it through his choice of friends and peers? So much blame all around. I'll stick by my "guns too easily/readily available" sermon. To that, I'll also acknowledge (or charge) that certain facets of pop culture have share in fault and blame. Hollywood - whose actors and inside machinery are quick to point fingers elsewhere should acknowledge their own glamorization of guns, and "revenge violence". Everybody has a right to be angry - nobody has the right to go on a shooting spree to express such anger. The Buffalo boy now shows contrition ... it's way too f##kin late for that. We're taught (some of us) to not judge and to be forgiving. I hope this @sshole has a miserable 10 consecutive life sentences to reflect on what he took from the lives of perfect strangers.
The latest was yesterday here in El Paso. Two gunmen and fortunately both are in custody. One victim dead, three others injured. I made two trips to Costco last week which is less than a mile from Cielo Vista Mall where the shootings occurred. We have open carry here in Texas although I've never seen someone carrying a gun. I'm not a gun person but lately I've seriously been wondering if I shouldn't be packing. Just SO much of this going on, EVERYWHERE in America it seems.
I'm not a gun person but lately I've seriously been wondering if I shouldn't be packing.
And isn't that just what the gun lobby wants? Whether people buy guns for protection or buy guns out of fear, a sale is a sale. Even though states with the highest gun ownership have the highest rate of gun deaths: https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/26/politics/gun-violence-data-what-matters/index.html
Go figure.
Meanwhile, here in Floriduh, Gov Ronda is pushing open carry. In a state that has some of the worst gun violence, at a time when gun violence is at an all-time high.
@porkchopbob Arm the unvaccinated! Maybe the two factions will cancel each other out! 😉
✌️✌️& the most recent ones haven’t even been in Fla
13 year old boy found face down in front of a church, shot to death in Gary IN over a social media dispute
currently 6 dead in a shooting spree in Mississippi
so it’s the one constant - the ongoingness of it - & bullying, it’s just as inhumane, the suicide of that 14 year old girl in NJ…….
luckily people in general imo are kind/friendly, civil/respectful most of the time - it’s just that we always read about (or post😔) the bad news
🤙:bewell:
“Federal Hate Crime Charges Filed In Shooting Of Two Jewish Men In LA”
they know it was him - a self professed bigot who shot them specifically b/c of their Jewish faith
shootings took place separately, both as the victims were leaving religious services at separate synagogues
”federal hate crime” doesn’t cut it
”Daniel & The Lions Den” does
it’s as foul as it gets - he left no doubt of his intentions doing it not once but twice
out loud, he wanted his hatred against Jews known far & wide -
our forefathers did not include in the Constitution, equal access to the law to those who committed foul unprovoked attacks
ESPEcially attacks on one’s God, or religious beliefs
twisted brains/temporary insanity…..no matter what the excuses, these criminals forfeit their right to due process
nothing else has worked
am not a hateful archaic person, but hopefully “hate crime” means certain swift harsh punishment fitting the crime, sentencing promptly carried out
It’s an update by way of sounding like a broken record
”Despite Decades Of Mass Shootings In Texas, Legislators Have Yet To Pass Meaningful Gun Control Laws”
(by ProPublica)
don’t know when it’ll be realized, but there is no controlling the use of guns
not via politics or any other way -
not when they’re legally in people’s hands - multiple decades have proven it -
criminals w/lengthy rap sheets can still buy guns - shop proprietors need the business & can bypass some of the fine print on the background checks for a sale…
OK✌️Sunday morn, all the best
It's part of a downward spiral of lots of things in society the country and the world. More bad people wanting to do more bad things and more ways in which they can carry them out. I do agree, if we can't identify the bad people before they do the bad things then we should restrict and limit the tools in which they are doing these things with. But with hundreds of millions of guns owned and in circulation, if another new firearm was never made or sold again, we'd still have a huge problem with these types of shootings.
@nebish As an analogy - consider a large indoor event - already packed to capacity. In most cases, more people are just not let in. Door shut - no new entries. If new and more effective and practical gun laws were enacted NOW - the "rogue" gun owners would start to decrease in numbers. As "rogue" (in this case - illegally obtained, non-permitted, guns with serial numbers filed off - etc) weapons get confiscated, we begin to reach a population of "safer" gun owners.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a card-carrying MENSA member to note that current laws and regulations ARE NOT working. Waiting periods and so called "psychological profiles" are jokes. These "psychological profile tests" usually involve a 5 minute interview - sometimes by remote video or even phone calls - to determine if a person is balanced enough to own a firearm. I hav relatives who took similar 5-minute tests by "professionals" who deemed that these folks were sane. I have known these folks for most of my 66 years and can tell you that a few of them are actually bat$hit crazy.
I have no problem with reasonable people owning a reasonable number of firearms. I have great concern with folks who insist that it is their right to own an arsenal the size of the military forces of a small nation. I also have a problem with the "visiting divorced daddy" politicians who propose asinine regulations like open-carry without a permit. These guys are really fighting the fire with kerosine.
You are putting "non-permitted" guns into a rogue category? I have purchased 4 firearms in my life in two different states and none required any kind of permit to purchase or own. It's fine if maybe we should consider that as a fix, but in most areas of the country, I don't need a permit to go a buy a firearm.
I agree, current laws and regulations are not working to curb gun violence. I am saying that if every gun store and gun manufacturer ceased to exist tomorrow, I am really not sure that would deter gun violence either. Hundreds of millions, as in probably close to a half a billion guns are out there already.
I am not saying that in some way of like 'oh well, might as well just do nothing then'. No I am saying that it is extremely difficult problem with multi-faceted layers and even something as huge and as drastic as banning all new gun production and purchases is still going to leave us with an unacceptable level of gun violence.
We need to regulate the people, some of that is difficult given the constitutional protections. But yes, we need to regulate people and we need to regulate guns. Still, I do not know what an 'acceptable level' of gun violence is, but it is always going to be with us. Doesn't mean don't try and fix the situation, but also means be realistic about the end results.
Too many people in our county are intent on inflicting harm on others. I view that as the #1 problem. The #2 problem is the access to the means in which they prefer to carry out their violence, most commonly a firearm. They both need addressed and both are quite difficult to address all things considered.
I have no problem with reasonable people owning a reasonable number of firearms.
If only defining reasonable were so easy.
We need to regulate the people, some of that is difficult given the constitutional protections. But yes, we need to regulate people and we need to regulate guns.
I have no problem with reasonable people owning a reasonable number of firearms.
If only defining reasonable were so easy.
all the posts imo show directly why all the gun legislation/regulation in the world ultimately would be ineffective & moot w/no realistic means of enforcement & too costly to implement
as you pointed out it’s a Constitutional issue as well, throwing a whole other dynamic on it
an elderly Bishop - a man of the cloth seeking to help curb violence in his parish - was murdered over the weekend in Los Angeles
undoubtedly scores more that don’t get reported
so these are the terrible downsides to the notion of “an armed populace” etc
any reasonable person sees the grotesque irony of religion causing gun violence
OK Rusty, I'll make a stab at it.
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"To simply surrender to the idea that there's just nothing that can be done about the easy availability of guns is - TO ME - a defeatist attitude. Anything good - including the elimination or drastic reduction of firearm violence is certainly worth putting in the work for."
IF that would only work, which it would possibly cut down on the shootings, even the legal elimination of firearms would not stop the shootings. Criminals will not turn in their firearms and I don't believe it would stop them from using them.
"Part of the problem is is that so many want to make or introduce politics into the problem. The same is/was true on Covid - but that's another issue. It's the pandering politicians - who GENERALLY do turn out to be Republican that are the biggest obstacle. I've previously used as the analogy of a visiting divorced parent (usually the daddy) who seeks to gain love from the children that he sees once or twice a month by allowing them to have ice cream and candy for breakfast."
Funny, I've always thought the same thing about democrats. Here, let me pay your bills, give you housing, make those who have money give you some of theirs.
"The children absolutely love and adore their visiting daddy because he gives them what they want without even considering their nutritional needs. The politicians who cave to those who demand that their 2nd Amendment rights go unimpeded are no different. Anything to get elected!"
Not necessarily. We've seen candidates promise the moon on 2A issues except to somehow become deaf, dumb, and blind when legislation is introduced. Many just cave in to the minority of voters (or the ones who donate the most), that don't want the legislation to get past committee.
"I could go long here and pi$$ off at least half of the readers. Slight digression - I don't know if it's a yin-yang thing or what, but lately it occurs to me that you could run ANY idea - no matter how far-fetched or bat $hit it sounds up a flag pole and anywhere between 47 - 53% of EVERYBODY will stand up and scream, "HELL YEAH!""
That does seem to happen a lot, especially when a democrat keeps spouting about "common sense gun regulations" needing to be passed when he/she knows that those laws are already on the books, been in effect for years.
"I have attended local re-enactments of Revolutionary War events (I live in an area that is rich in early American history). I have seen up close demonstrations of the weaponry that was around back when James Madison cooked up the 2nd Amendment. These are flintlock and powder fed muskets and pistols. It takes the fastest expert about 2 minutes between rounds to reload these things. They are notoriously inaccurate beyond distances of 30 feet. They did not have auto/semi-auto weapons with 50 round magazines. Always remember this."
I would love to know where you got that timing and information about per-revolutionary firearms. There were many various firearms made in the late 1600s that fired multiple rounds. You could look up the Cookson Rifle, 9 or 12 shot lever action, breech loading rifle 9not a musket), look in the National Archives for the Belton Improved Rifle contract given out by the 2nd Continental Congress to manufacture 100 of his "Improved" Rifle that was an 8 round repeating rifle on May 3, 1777 (anybody tells you the Founding Fathers didn't know of multishot repeating firearms is a liar). I like the one where the letter states "Philadelphia, July 10, 1777 Having carefully examined M. Beltons' New Constructed Musket from which he discharged Sixteen Balls loaded at one time, we are fully of the opinion that muskets of his construction with some small alterations, or improvements might be rendered, of great service, in the defense of lives, redoubts, ships, &c, & even in the field.
Any competent soldier of the period had been trained to load no less than 3, THREE, rounds per minute, not one every 2 minutes.
"I get the idea that we're dealing with a Pandora's Box. Yep, guns are freakin' everywhere. How did this happen? Again - pandering politicians who basically sold out the idea of every citizens' right to attend school, movies even churches without the fear of having their heads blown off - all to get elected so that they'd have access to insider trading and market manipulation. No, there are no Thomas Jefferson's left in Washington, D.C.."
No, not pandering politicians. Those are the problem, not the solution. There are a lot of firearms due to Americans wanting firearms. If there is no market, you don't keep making that item.
"If nothing else - the OWNERs of every firearm should at least be held accountable for KNOWING where they are at all times! The un-named mother of the 6 year-old who shot his teacher says that , "the gun was on a top shelf in a closet". If a kid can stack phone books on a chair to reach a cookie jar - they can certainly get that gun in a closet or night stand."
I know where mine are, what's loaded in them, how to use them, and when to use them. Of course it's hard to not know where my cannon is. If I have company over with small kids, they are all locked up in a safe.
""Gun people" will say that these shootings are "mental health" issues. Okay, fine. Now what steps are you willing to take to keep the guns away from these types? What is your solution to the mentally ill problem - other than giving them death sentences AFTER they commit murder?"
Yes, mental health is a BIG issue. Those dastardly politicos emptied out the mental institutions because of the inhumane conditions found in many of them. They didn't come up with what to do with the influx of homeless people with mental issues. You would have thought that would be one of the first things on the agenda after cleaning up the institutions that could be fixed. New report by the Secret Service list mental health (usss-ntac-maps-2016-2020.pdf) lists 147 incidents where mental health was a contributing factor in a shooting.
That last part of the sentence, you're not contemplating giving death sentences BEFORE someone commits murder are you? You can only mete out punishment after a crime.
"SOMETHING has to be done - regardless of anybody's political position.
I'll shut up now.
Peace."
R
Keep the conversation going. It's the only way things can get resolved. We can't keep as the old song says "battle lines being drawn, nobody's right if every body's wrong"
Keep the conversation going. It's the only way things can get resolved. We can't keep as the old song says "battle lines being drawn, nobody's right if every body's wrong"
Jerry is our most articulate defender of the 2nd amendment. I too fall on the side of gun owner rights more often than not. That never means that people of differing views make good points. There must be a way this country can get people from different persuasions together. And maybe neither side is ultimately completely happy, which in the end, if that is the case, there would've been a lot of progress made. It just takes leadership from state and national representatives, once anyone play politics it is over because the other side won't think the conversation is genuine. Put politics in the toilet with the other stuff we flush down because really when it comes to solving problems, that is where it belongs.
These big issues, I always think, you get a dozen people at a table and hash it out, they will come to an agreement. What happens in Washington, well, that is usually the worst of us.
On an encouraging note, gun violence has dropped markedly in the last 15 years in Omaha Nebraska
citing shootings in which victims survived, there were 246 incidents of gun violence in Omaha in 2009
that # dropped to 121 in 2022, with a low point of 90 in 2017
Civic leaders, residents, law enforcement etc point to Omaha 360 - a program started by the Empowerment Network
it empowers Communication - plain & simple
(ABC story)
an elderly Bishop - a man of the cloth seeking to help curb violence in his parish - was murdered over the weekend in Los Angeles
theyve made an arrest - it was his housekeeper’s husband - she’s cooperating
this case has caused widespread disgust & anguish as he was well known & loved
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latest one, story is out there -
Orlando Fla TV crew is on the scene of a murder - when someone drives up, opens fire, kills TV journalist
then speeds away to a home, walks in & shoots a mother & her young daughter -
Info is fluid - the mother may have been employed at the TV station -
….”frequent” has become “rampant” - it’s not about gun controls anymore, that ship has sailed
the only known about gun violence/mass murders/school shootings is the next one
Jerry, Nebish et al - Not meaning to pick a fight here at all. Just stating how I feel about a very real situation that only exists in the United States of America. I have stated very plainly my concerns - no need for further back and forth here.
For you and others who disagree with my opinion I have a very simple poll/survey. 2 questions - the first requires a simple YES or No (no essays!). The second is a multi-choice question. Depending on your reply to question 1 - you might not even need to respond to question 2:
1.) Does the United States have a problem with gun violence? (YES or No - no essay)
2.) If you answered YES - are you:
A.) Part of the solution?
B.) Part of the problem?
Jerry, Nebish et al - Not meaning to pick a fight here at all. Just stating how I feel about a very real situation that only exists in the United States of America. I have stated very plainly my concerns - no need for further back and forth here.
For you and others who disagree with my opinion I have a very simple poll/survey. 2 questions - the first requires a simple YES or No (no essays!). The second is a multi-choice question. Depending on your reply to question 1 - you might not even need to respond to question 2:
1.) Does the United States have a problem with gun violence? (YES or No - no essay)
2.) If you answered YES - are you:
A.) Part of the solution?
B.) Part of the problem?
The USA has a problem with PEOPLE committing gun violence.
let's look at some gun laws ans see how they work.
California: We make rules about what firearms you can own, and if you own one, you must turn that newly illegally owned firearm in or face fines/imprisonment.
One of the latest mass shootings was committed by someone who used one of the banned handguns.
Georgia: City of Kennesaw requires the head of household to "maintain a firearm and ammunition". If you are morally against firearm ownership. or legally unable to own a firearm or incapacitated enough to not use a firearm, you are exempt from the law. Note: There has been no enforcement of the law.
Kennesaw, Ga. : Between 2015 and 2019 had one murder, in 2020, none. Reportedly there were 3 murders between 1992 and 2015, all in "gun free zones".
Look at where the majority of shootings are, and what the firearm regulations for that area is.
In Macon this weekend there was a car driving around and shooting at people on the street. No connection between the different places, just a square area where they drove through. Two people dead, more wounded, and all teenagers. The shooters were described as teenagers. One theory put forth is gang related and it was an initiation.
One thing is bring back enforcement of the Gun Use In Crime laws. Georgia has one that tacks on 10+ years to whatever crime you committed, to be served before the sentence for the crime. Now it's used to get plea bargains for lesser/reduced sentences.
Put teeth back in enforcement of the criminal code and the punishment.
Remove the restrictions on law abiding citizens.
@stephen So many things likely wrong with that Buffalo grocery store shooter. Did he learn hatred at home or was it through his choice of friends and peers? So much blame all around. I'll stick by my "guns too easily/readily available" sermon. To that, I'll also acknowledge (or charge) that certain facets of pop culture have share in fault and blame.
all due respect b, in rereading the thread, strongly disagree here -
to clarify, yes guns are easily/readily available
but ‘so much blame all around’ on his environment/Hollywood culture etc?
NO - from everything I’ve read he decided on his own to go down the racist path - he alone by himself singled out that store, drove there, shot it up & is solely responsible for the Buffalo murders -
if he was influenced by popular culture or whatever it’d have no bearing in this case imo
- just like Dylan Roof - or Catrina Costello - or the ****heel who shot those Jewish men in LA recently - & all the other mass murderers
They Must Be Held Accountable For Their Actions, & I stand by my no exceptions/immediate trial/sentencing promptly carried out, in these extreme hate crimes -
⛪️it doesn’t seem unreasonable to at least consider - short, done, immediate closure, much taxpayer $ saved
✌️suggesting he may not truly have been entirely at fault, I balk at - gun violence is glorified yes, but that is far from cause for any sane person to commit mass murder
if they’re INsane, or had ‘temporary insanity’ - same thing, no exceptions
signed, an empathetic peaceable person w/goodwill to all
Put teeth back in enforcement of the criminal code and the punishment.
Remove the restrictions on law abiding citizens.
that’s the ideal the nation has tried to attain for eons - it’s tough balance to strike tho - lot of subjective interpretation there but aspiring to those ideals & keeping the conversation going is the key - I tend to butt in/hijack topics - carry on indeed 🙏
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@jerry The USA has a problem with PEOPLE committing gun violence.
Agree, and PEOPLE should be vigorously vetted when purchasing a gun and require a license. Unfortunately a lot of states are stripping those regulations (even though the 2nd amendment requires "regulation")
"California is the state with the strictest gun laws, and it also has the seventh-lowest rate of deaths by gun violence."
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/strictest-gun-laws-by-state
1.) Does the United States have a problem with gun violence? (YES or No - no essay)
2.) If you answered YES - are you:
A.) Part of the solution?
B.) Part of the problem?
1) Yes
2) A- I believe yes
There is a problem with gun violence because there are so many people wanting to commit violence and they are choosing the gun. So we must come down harder on people who commit gun violence with stricter and longer punishments and unfortunately because we have so many of these people, the law abiding gun owners are going to have to face greater restrictions. It is the way it always works, the actions of a relative few (compared to the whole) tends to ruin it for everyone else.
I want people who commit gun violence and break existing laws of firearm transfer/purchase/transport/possession to be more harshly punished. I would also like more preemptive actions against those who might be planning to commit gun violence. More stings like they do with prostitution or terrorists. Find these people before they do it and put them behind bars. And we can and should have more hoops to jump through for everyone else to go about purchasing and owning their weapons. Both must be done. And even then, as I mentioned, it is with caution of the expected outcome - we are still going to get the actions we do not want, and a lot of it. The stated example of California having the strictest gun regulations, maybe they have the 7th lowest rate of death by guns, but if every state had that, apply California's level of gun violence to the entire US, is that good enough? Because honestly, I think people want more and it just is not achievable to the extent that gun ownership rights and civil liberties are in effect. When you read ACLU opinions about how certain people should not have their gun rights restricted, even though most of us would think those people should have them restricted, it illustrates some of the complications at hand.
1.) Does the United States have a problem with gun violence? (YES or No - no essay)
2.) If you answered YES - are you:
A.) Part of the solution?
B.) Part of the problem?
Yes
B, I guess. There's nothing to be done. Death by mass shooting has been accepted as a risk in our society. Doesn't matter how many people of all ages die, it's just the way it is.
X2 & to your last sentence I would add “doesn’t matter how many people of all ages, races/ethnicities, nationality, religious creed/beliefs die…..”
