You really think Louisville is not as good as Washington & West Virginia?

Really?

I rank on resumes. Some people rank according to who they thing would beat who. But nobody knows who wins until the game is over. I bet on outcomes, but that is for fun really, not that I actually think I know what will happen.

So yeah, I've been really impressed with Louisville at times. And then I saw them almost lose to Virginia and struggle with Duke and trail WF into the 4th qrt...all as 30 point favorites. When you want to be elite you should pound teams you are supposed to pound...or in this case of the three I mentioned, not appear like you are almost going to lose to them.

They play sloppy alot. They lose alot of fumbles. They would be a tough game for anyone to beat I admit, but they do not play to their potential in several games.

So you are supposed to pound a team into submission? Didn't Petrino question that premise because they didn't rack up 80 points?

So you are supposed to pound a team into submission? Didn't Petrino question that premise because they didn't rack up 80 points?

I don't think you saw the Duke, Virginia or Wake Forest games.

It isn't just beating a team you are supposed to be convincingly, pound them, run it up. But how about almost losing to them?

Vs Duke, LV was up just 3 pts late in the 4th qrt. They missed a FG, BUT Duke roughed the K and gave LV a 1st down and LV would go on for a TD and 10 pt win. Had Duke not roughed that K, Duke would have the ball with a chance to tie or win. LV never looked much better than Duke all game. Duke was 3-3 at the time is 4-6 currently and LV was a 34.5 pt favorite in that game.

At Virginia, Mr Heisman was sacked 5 times. LV trailed UVA by 10 in the second half. Virginia is currently 2-8, they were 2-5 at the time. UVA had the lead with 2 minutes left in the game! LV was favored by 33.5!

Wake Forest is a solid team, they are 6-5. But they are not in the same galaxy as Louisville, yet WF led the entire game until LV finally took the lead with 10 minutes left in the game. The dam then broke as LV blk'd a punt setting up short TD drive and got a pick-six on their way to a 34 pt 4th qrt and the 44-12 win. LV was a 35 pt favorite and trailed for 50 minutes of the game!

So it isn't about running it up, because Louisville could barely win some of those games against clearly overmatched opponents, let alone run it up! Elite teams should pound inferior teams. You don't have to leave the starters in for 4 qrt to do it. You don't have to make a conscious effort to score a bunch of points in the 4th qrt. When you are an elite team looking to be the part of a national title contender, you don't almost lose to bad teams or play poorly in other games against teams you are better than.

Those bad games should be held against Louisville. Petrino couldn't rack up 80 pts against Duke, Virginia or WF if he wanted to...they were damn lucky to win 2 of those games!

[Edited on 11/17/2016 by nebish]

Okay, here is a question for you. And I have heard this offered up. Do you think a blowout win is more important than a close loss? Does it matter? I honestly don't know.

So I bet on Northern Illinois to lose last night.They are down by 21 at the half and win.
Makes no difference other than the fact that I lost money.

Okay, here is a question for you. And I have heard this offered up. Do you think a blowout win is more important than a close loss? Does it matter? I honestly don't know.

So I bet on Northern Illinois to lose last night.They are down by 21 at the half and win.
Makes no difference other than the fact that I lost money.

I had E Mich too. They were playing not to lose it seemed in the 3rd qrt, then I fell asleep to see NIU came back. It had that feeling.

A blowout win vs a good team can be more impressive than a close win over the same team. Let's stay on the Louisville example, beating FSU the way did is so much more impressive than if they would've won by 4 or even 10. The perception of losing also hurts FSU's reputation when evaluating them.

It get's tricky when comparing teams, say Louisville beating FSU and Clemson beating FSU. Just because Clemson had to come back and hold on in their game doesn't make it necessarily less impressive figuring other factors. Clemson played FSU in their stadium at night in what has been the game in the ACC the last several years. I expected FSU would compete strongly in that game. And the way Clemson was able to win, I think earned some respect for them as well.

Now going back to Louisville, I did expect Louisville to win that game (they were favored), but the way they did it certainly surprised me and you couldn't help but take notice.

So I think a blowout win vs a close win may be impacted more by what you, or I, or anyone is expecting may happen in the game.

If Louisville would've blown out Duke, Virginia, or put their foot on Wake Forest's throat from the beginning, I wouldn't necessarily be impressed by it...but that is what one might expect them to do given their personnel, their potential compared to what is on the other sideline.

So long answer.

Short answer, yes it is more impressive (not sure about important in terms of what we are actually discussing). However like everything you have to drill down some to get the context of what did or did not happen in the game.

I just read your question again, a blowout win vs a close loss? If that is what you meant, a win is always more important than a loss no matter what margin it comes by. Maybe that was a typo or I misinterpreted something.

I just read your question again, a blowout win vs a close loss? If that is what you meant, a win is always more important than a loss no matter what margin it comes by. Maybe that was a typo or I misinterpreted something.

You and I need to sit down, have a beer and discuss thus stuff. Bet it would be fun. 😛

You should come over to watch some games. I have 8 TVs 😛

You're in Michigan? I'm like 5 hours away.

Not much time to talk on game days though...too much action...:cool:

One of the greatest travesties in college football history was when the BCS took margin-of-victory out of the formula. It's ain't runnin' up the score, 'cause it ain't your fault they can't stop ya.

I may or may not have attended Oklahoma when Barry Switzer was coach.

"Let's go hang half a hundred on 'em and go home!"

😛

You should come over to watch some games. I have 8 TVs 😛

You're in Michigan? I'm like 5 hours away.

From Meeechigan. Live in Chicago. It has it's bad points but it is better.

One of the greatest travesties in college football history was when the BCS took margin-of-victory out of the formula. It's ain't runnin' up the score, 'cause it ain't your fault they can't stop ya.

I may or may not have attended Oklahoma when Barry Switzer was coach.

"Let's go hang half a hundred on 'em and go home!"

😛

How did that work out for Petrino? 😛

One of the greatest travesties in college football history was when the BCS took margin-of-victory out of the formula. It's ain't runnin' up the score, 'cause it ain't your fault they can't stop ya.

I may or may not have attended Oklahoma when Barry Switzer was coach.

"Let's go hang half a hundred on 'em and go home!"

😛

Difference is these days, some teams score 50 and it doesn't guarantee victory! Cal scored 50 in a 1 possession final. Alabama scored 48 in a 5 pt win. Air Force scored 49 in 3 pt win over CSU. BYU won 55-53 and had to score on the final drive of the game for that win. USF won 49-42 but had to withstand Memphis taking shots to tie at end of game. La Tech wins 55-52 in a last-team-with-ball-wins game. Just to name a few. It's a very different game these days. Defense is an after thought. Officiating favors offense. And I think we are seeing a lack of talent on D perhaps, as in the most talented athletes want to be on offense. It isn't very fun to play defense these days the way the game has evolved and the way it is being officiated.

GO BRUINS! BEAT sc!

One of the greatest travesties in college football history was when the BCS took margin-of-victory out of the formula. It's ain't runnin' up the score, 'cause it ain't your fault they can't stop ya.

I may or may not have attended Oklahoma when Barry Switzer was coach.

"Let's go hang half a hundred on 'em and go home!"

😛

Difference is these days, some teams score 50 and it doesn't guarantee victory! Cal scored 50 in a 1 possession final. Alabama scored 48 in a 5 pt win. Air Force scored 49 in 3 pt win over CSU. BYU won 55-53 and had to score on the final drive of the game for that win. USF won 49-42 but had to withstand Memphis taking shots to tie at end of game. La Tech wins 55-52 in a last-team-with-ball-wins game. Just to name a few. It's a very different game these days. Defense is an after thought. Officiating favors offense. And I think we are seeing a lack of talent on D perhaps, as in the most talented athletes want to be on offense. It isn't very fun to play defense these days the way the game has evolved and the way it is being officiated.

Well, sure. I was thinking more along the lines of blowing out lesser opponents, but you are right, of course.

Was talking to a guy today and he was making a comparison between the NFL and college. Style points matter in college. They don't in the pros.

Hadn't thought of that but he is probably right.

GO BRUINS! BEAT sc!

🙁 and now here comes Kal. Cal probably wins this game. Bruins weren't as competitive as 1st half score showed. Were you at the game? You think the team has totally thrown in the towel?

One of the greatest travesties in college football history was when the BCS took margin-of-victory out of the formula. It's ain't runnin' up the score, 'cause it ain't your fault they can't stop ya.

I may or may not have attended Oklahoma when Barry Switzer was coach.

"Let's go hang half a hundred on 'em and go home!"

😛

Difference is these days, some teams score 50 and it doesn't guarantee victory! Cal scored 50 in a 1 possession final. Alabama scored 48 in a 5 pt win. Air Force scored 49 in 3 pt win over CSU. BYU won 55-53 and had to score on the final drive of the game for that win. USF won 49-42 but had to withstand Memphis taking shots to tie at end of game. La Tech wins 55-52 in a last-team-with-ball-wins game. Just to name a few. It's a very different game these days. Defense is an after thought. Officiating favors offense. And I think we are seeing a lack of talent on D perhaps, as in the most talented athletes want to be on offense. It isn't very fun to play defense these days the way the game has evolved and the way it is being officiated.

Well, sure. I was thinking more along the lines of blowing out lesser opponents, but you are right, of course.

Maybe that is what Stoops said to the team before the WVU game.? Close, they were up 41-7 before WVU stopped shooting themselves in the feet. Muffed punt = short OU TD. WV O fumbles at OU 5, WV O fumbles at OU3, WV throws 80y pick-six....and to think it was just a 14 point game with about 10 minutes left? That WVU RB Crawford ran for 331! Bedlam in 2 weeks, better shore up that Sooner D.

Not real happy about the Mayfield for Heisman talk buzzing. Reminds me of the Robert Griffin year. You can't forget about the Houston and Ohio State losses where Mayfield's poor play hurt them in those games. I don't think you have to have a perfect record as a Heisman QB to win it, but you certainly can't be a contributing factor to the losses and win it, which remains my biggest objection to Griffin winning the trophy. The year that Tebow won it, that was not a great Florida team, but he was a great player on that team and didn't hurt his team's chances of winning games.

But that isnt what ruffles my feathers most. Jabrill Peppers is THE MOST over-rated Heisman candidate this late in the season EVER. Lee, can you tell me, please, give me three reasons he should be considered? Or, ok I know 3 is too many, one? I watch the games, he is first team Big Ten, but I'm not sure he is a sure fire All American though. Is he the best player on that D? Take him off the team, would Michigan still be 10-1? I just don't see the impactful plays that he and only he can make, he makes a sack or tfl here or there, blitz another guy chances are he gets home on those plays too. Peppers is very talented, granted. But those wildcat runs, Michigan O would move the ball down the field and put him in at wildcat so he could get a easy TD. He is NO impact at all on offense in any meaningful way. And he doesn't dominate or take games over on defense like Ndamukong Suh did. I mean Eddie Jackson at Alabama before he got hurt, to me, was more of a defensive player worthy of Heisman consideration than Peppers. That MSU fumble on a 2 point conversion, I saw that highlight over and over, all it showed is that he is fast. He didn't force the fumble, didn't pick it off or anything, just right place, right time and he is fast so he ran it 95 yards the other way. So do you care to make the case? The media just loooooves to say he is top 2 or top 3 in the running.

Okay nebish -

1. He is THE best player in college football.

That's enough.

Will he win it? Nope.

Should he win it? Nope again.

Do I want him to win it? Yep on that one.

He's the most exciting player in the game. No reason to win the trophy though.

And for his next step, I'm not sure what the NFL will do with him.

Okay nebish -

1. He is THE best player in college football.

That's enough.

Will he win it? Nope.

Should he win it? Nope again.

Do I want him to win it? Yep on that one.

He's the most exciting player in the game. No reason to win the trophy though.

And for his next step, I'm not sure what the NFL will do with him.

What makes him the best? If you replaced him with some other Michigan 4 star defensive recruit, Michigan is still 10-1 and the results of the games are likely similar. You shouldn't be able to take a Heisman trophy candidate off of a team without having a negative impact on their games.

What has he done that is so special? He isn't as important as Woodson was. Now if Peppers runs a punt or INT for TD in the Shoe Saturday and sticks a rose in his mouth, then you might have case there because alot of times it boils down to a moment. Up to this point, I don't think his importance can hold a candle to Woodson, who is comparable, not only because he is from Michigan, but is the only other primary defensive player to win the trophy. Woodson affected games more.

When I think of most exciting players in football I think of Quadree Henderson at Pitt, or DeDe Westbrook from OU, Christian McCaffrey from Stanford, Dalvin Cook from FSU, Lamar Jackson from LV, Curtis Samuel at Ohio State. It is hard to be considered most exciting when the impact is minimal and you don't touch the ball alot. On defense, there are rare players like this, you know the likes of Ray Lewis, or Ronnie Lott, or Lawrence Taylor...I think of those guys from the NFL, a guy you want to watch more than the offensive players. In college, a guy like Ed Reed from Miami..now that is a exciting player right there. Peppers gets to return a couple punts a game, he gets alot of yards with them, but doesn't score much. Peppers has to impact the game more than he has, and I just have not seen the impact on D, like I said, blitz another hybrid LB-S type and you'll probably get similar results. We are just told he is the best, I watch the games and I see his punt returns and I say, that guy is pretty good. I turn on another game and say the same thing about a lot of players. Peppers doesn't make me say "damn that guy is something else".

It's easy to say he is the best, or the most exciting. The hard part is telling me why. Maybe he will do something to prove it Saturday.

I think he is the most talented player. And I like the diversity of his talents. You don't see that much anymore. I also said being exciting shouldn't matter. Fun to watch but so what?

Given that, I said I don't think he should win the Heisman. Who cares? The winner doesn't necessarily win the award as the best player in the nation. What's the point of the award?

Roll Tide !

Do you like Saban?

I really don't care too much about the Heisman. And I really don't care that much about playoff teams. The season really peaks this weekend, everything else for me personally is downhill from here.

But I'm just happy to have someone to talk college football with on here! I'm happy to cater my posts towards whomever I think might reply!!

Love this weekend of football! Soak it in, the season is over in the blink of an eye.

Oh yeah.....

and wait for it....

...here it comes....

GO BLUE!

You really think Louisville is not as good as Washington & West Virginia?

Really?

I rank on resumes. Some people rank according to who they thing would beat who. But nobody knows who wins until the game is over. I bet on outcomes, but that is for fun really, not that I actually think I know what will happen.

So yeah, I've been really impressed with Louisville at times. And then I saw them almost lose to Virginia and struggle with Duke and trail WF into the 4th qrt...all as 30 point favorites. When you want to be elite you should pound teams you are supposed to pound...or in this case of the three I mentioned, not appear like you are almost going to lose to them.

They play sloppy alot. They lose alot of fumbles. They would be a tough game for anyone to beat I admit, but they do not play to their potential in several games.

Those teams did what it will take to beat Louisville, they controlled the time of possession. With that being a strength of Kentucky I thought we had a chance to beat them until they lost to Houston. We have two 1000 yard rushers (first time in school history) in Benny Snell Jr. ( who didn't play in the first two games) and Boom Williams. And we line up in a formation that everyone knows what is going to happen and still average 4-5 yards a carry.

Barring an injury Benny Snell should be one of the top backs in the country in a year or two.

I really don't care too much about the Heisman. And I really don't care that much about playoff teams. The season really peaks this weekend, everything else for me personally is downhill from here.

But I'm just happy to have someone to talk college football with on here! I'm happy to cater my posts towards whomever I think might reply!!

Love this weekend of football! Soak it in, the season is over in the blink of an eye.

Oh yeah.....

and wait for it....

...here it comes....

GO BLUE!

You don't have to cater your posts to anyone. But I also enjoy the banter.

And this weekend could potentially be epic. LOTS on the line. What will the committee do with The Big Ten? There is an argument for probably four teams getting in. I do believe two teams will get in. Which two?

Should the Meeechigan/Ohio State loser get in? I believe so but I doubt it will happen. Do they put in the Big Ten Champ? Penn State DID beat Ohio State but Meeechigan kicked the crap out of them.

And don't forget Wisconsin. They can get in.

If it were me, the best four teams are Alabama, Meeechigan, Ohio State and USC. I don't think USC has a prayer and I would guess the Meeechigan/OSU loser is out. Had UM beaten Iowa I think it would have changed.

And sorry Pac 10 or 12 or whatever it is now but Washington should not get in.

My 2 pennies.

And Happy Thanksgiving. Three NFL games to stuff our faces to! 😛

You really think Louisville is not as good as Washington & West Virginia?

Really?

I rank on resumes. Some people rank according to who they thing would beat who. But nobody knows who wins until the game is over. I bet on outcomes, but that is for fun really, not that I actually think I know what will happen.

So yeah, I've been really impressed with Louisville at times. And then I saw them almost lose to Virginia and struggle with Duke and trail WF into the 4th qrt...all as 30 point favorites. When you want to be elite you should pound teams you are supposed to pound...or in this case of the three I mentioned, not appear like you are almost going to lose to them.

They play sloppy alot. They lose alot of fumbles. They would be a tough game for anyone to beat I admit, but they do not play to their potential in several games.

Those teams did what it will take to beat Louisville, they controlled the time of possession. With that being a strength of Kentucky I thought we had a chance to beat them until they lost to Houston. We have two 1000 yard rushers (first time in school history) in Benny Snell Jr. ( who didn't play in the first two games) and Boom Williams. And we line up in a formation that everyone knows what is going to happen and still average 4-5 yards a carry.

Barring an injury Benny Snell should be one of the top backs in the country in a year or two.

Well Louisville got thrown out of things. I didn't see that happening. Petrino should should shut his ass. Is he talking now? Nope.

Oh and hi Bill!