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jkeller
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He would be Divider In Chief if elected.

I think the current state of "Political correctness" has done more to divide this country than any candidate might ever dream of....

This photo was snapped at the Trump"rally" in San Jose the other night... My question is..."Why are there Mexican Flags being waved"?

If Mexico is so great, why did you leave it?
If your fear of Trump is one of being deported, why are you presenting the Flag of the country you have no desire to return to?
If this country provides you with opportunities you desire, why are you not waving the Stars and Stripes?
Why the masks?

I know, I know, these questions are just not PC....

But they are worthy of an answer.

[Edited on 6/4/2016 by BIGV]

Do you have the same objection to Irish flags being carried during St. Patrick's Day parades? Italian flags on Columbus Day? Or is it just Mexicans that you oppose?

Is there a lot of violence and mask wearing to hide ones identity from cameras on St. Patty's day?..or Columbus Day?..I think not.

I don't see any masks on your picture. I know ot sucks being outed as a bigot, but your posts speak for themselves. You had a problem with Cinco De Maya celebrations, but not St Patrick and Columbus Day.


 
Posted : June 4, 2016 7:44 pm
BIGV
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He would be Divider In Chief if elected.

I think the current state of "Political correctness" has done more to divide this country than any candidate might ever dream of....

This photo was snapped at the Trump"rally" in San Jose the other night... My question is..."Why are there Mexican Flags being waved"?

If Mexico is so great, why did you leave it?
If your fear of Trump is one of being deported, why are you presenting the Flag of the country you have no desire to return to?
If this country provides you with opportunities you desire, why are you not waving the Stars and Stripes?
Why the masks?

I know, I know, these questions are just not PC....

But they are worthy of an answer.

[Edited on 6/4/2016 by BIGV]

Do you have the same objection to Irish flags being carried during St. Patrick's Day parades? Italian flags on Columbus Day? Or is it just Mexicans that you oppose?

Is there a lot of violence and mask wearing to hide ones identity from cameras on St. Patty's day?..or Columbus Day?..I think not.

I don't see any masks on your picture. I know ot sucks being outed as a bigot, but your posts speak for themselves. You had a problem with Cinco De Maya celebrations, but not St Patrick and Columbus Day.

If it makes your day, refer to me as you wish. But I could not help but notice that in responding to my post you answered a question with a question. Once again....

Why are they waving Mexican Flags? It was not a Mexican holiday, there was no parade.....


 
Posted : June 4, 2016 8:30 pm
2112
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He would be Divider In Chief if elected.

I think the current state of "Political correctness" has done more to divide this country than any candidate might ever dream of....

This photo was snapped at the Trump"rally" in San Jose the other night... My question is..."Why are there Mexican Flags being waved"?

If Mexico is so great, why did you leave it?
If your fear of Trump is one of being deported, why are you presenting the Flag of the country you have no desire to return to?
If this country provides you with opportunities you desire, why are you not waving the Stars and Stripes?
Why the masks?

I know, I know, these questions are just not PC....

But they are worthy of an answer.

[Edited on 6/4/2016 by BIGV]

Do you have the same objection to Irish flags being carried during St. Patrick's Day parades? Italian flags on Columbus Day? Or is it just Mexicans that you oppose?

Is there a lot of violence and mask wearing to hide ones identity from cameras on St. Patty's day?..or Columbus Day?..I think not.

I don't see any masks on your picture. I know ot sucks being outed as a bigot, but your posts speak for themselves. You had a problem with Cinco De Maya celebrations, but not St Patrick and Columbus Day.

If it makes your day, refer to me as you wish. But I could not help but notice that in responding to my post you answered a question with a question. Once again....

Why are they waving Mexican Flags? It was not a Mexican holiday, there was no parade.....

Because they are proud of their Mexican heritage, and Trump has been calling Mexicans rapists and criminals. I find it interesting that the same people that attack Mexicans for using their flag to show pride in their heritage seem to be the same people who complained about the Confederate flag being attacked and said that the flag celebrates their heritage. It is not at all different. If Mexicans shouldn't be able to use their flag because they are in America now, then southerners shouldn't use the Confederate flag either.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 1:04 am
CanadianMule
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He would be Divider In Chief if elected.

I think the current state of "Political correctness" has done more to divide this country than any candidate might ever dream of....

This photo was snapped at the Trump"rally" in San Jose the other night... My question is..."Why are there Mexican Flags being waved"?

If Mexico is so great, why did you leave it?
If your fear of Trump is one of being deported, why are you presenting the Flag of the country you have no desire to return to?
If this country provides you with opportunities you desire, why are you not waving the Stars and Stripes?
Why the masks?

I know, I know, these questions are just not PC....

But they are worthy of an answer.

[Edited on 6/4/2016 by BIGV]

Do you have the same objection to Irish flags being carried during St. Patrick's Day parades? Italian flags on Columbus Day? Or is it just Mexicans that you oppose?

Is there a lot of violence and mask wearing to hide ones identity from cameras on St. Patty's day?..or Columbus Day?..I think not.

I don't see any masks on your picture. I know ot sucks being outed as a bigot, but your posts speak for themselves. You had a problem with Cinco De Maya celebrations, but not St Patrick and Columbus Day.

If it makes your day, refer to me as you wish. But I could not help but notice that in responding to my post you answered a question with a question. Once again....

Why are they waving Mexican Flags? It was not a Mexican holiday, there was no parade.....

Because they are proud of their Mexican heritage, and Trump has been calling Mexicans rapists and criminals. I find it interesting that the same people that attack Mexicans for using their flag to show pride in their heritage seem to be the same people who complained about the Confederate flag being attacked and said that the flag celebrates their heritage. It is not at all different. If Mexicans shouldn't be able to use their flag because they are in America now, then southerners shouldn't use the Confederate flag either.

OK just pause the debate for a moment. Look at the picture. Now take race, Nationality or religion out of the equation.

Now what do you see in the picture

A) A group of people celebrating their heritage.

B) A group of people rioting in the streets.

Now are these people

A) Attending a sanctioned Holiday Parade donating to Police and Firemen Charities.

B) Rioting in the streets, attacking people, destroying property and throwing things at the Police while calling them Nazis.

I assume that you are sane and picked B both times. The whole comparison to St. Patrick's or any other holiday is really bad and not helping to make your point.

It doesn't matter about race, religion, Nationality or political parties that sort of behavior should not be condoned or tolerated in any way. Civil, peaceful protests are ideal obviously but that was never the intention of masked people, groups swarming and sucker punching people and attacking police.

Celebrating their heritage with a good old fashioned riot. That's funny.

Can't wait for the Hitler - Jesus Comparison. Both of them just celebrating their heritage.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 2:18 am
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 3:17 am
Fujirich
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.

Oh please - so there's no difference between actions vs words?

Obama ordered the downsizing of our military presence that caused the vacuum in which ISIS filled. He has since not allowed the military to pursue them as aggressively at they could be, enhancing their chances for their survival and growth. His narcissistic need to be the smartest guy in the room misjudged their capabilities by a wide margin, leading to actions that helped them grow. Finally, he's fractured our traditional relationships in the region, causing distrust, and made promises he didn't keep (Syria) leaving allies questioning where the US stood.

And somehow that's the equivalent of Trump just saying that a wall should be built and that we should actually control our immigration so that criminals and those who will not add in a positive way to our society should be kept out?

Yeah, those are on the same playing field

I'm rather happy - minus the violence of course - to see these idiot protesters act in a manner fulfilling the worst stereotypes about Mexican illegal immigrants. The Dem's want them for their votes - damn their economic impact on the lower classes or their disruption to society. Trump wants immigration managed as it should be, to have proper legal controls over who and what type of people come in - just like most every country in the world. Which makes more sense?


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 7:44 am
jkeller
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.

Oh please - so there's no difference between actions vs words?

Obama ordered the downsizing of our military presence that caused the vacuum in which ISIS filled. He has since not allowed the military to pursue them as aggressively at they could be, enhancing their chances for their survival and growth. His narcissistic need to be the smartest guy in the room misjudged their capabilities by a wide margin, leading to actions that helped them grow. Finally, he's fractured our traditional relationships in the region, causing distrust, and made promises he didn't keep (Syria) leaving allies questioning where the US stood.

And somehow that's the equivalent of Trump just saying that a wall should be built and that we should actually control our immigration so that criminals and those who will not add in a positive way to our society should be kept out?

Yeah, those are on the same playing field

I'm rather happy - minus the violence of course - to see these idiot protesters act in a manner fulfilling the worst stereotypes about Mexican illegal immigrants. The Dem's want them for their votes - damn their economic impact on the lower classes or their disruption to society. Trump wants immigration managed as it should be, to have proper legal controls over who and what type of people come in - just like most every country in the world. Which makes more sense?

Oh please - the downsizing of American troops in Iraq was agreed to by George Bush before he left office. If you don't get that one simple thing right, the rest of you rant is pointless.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 8:35 am
Chain
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.

Oh please - so there's no difference between actions vs words?

Obama ordered the downsizing of our military presence that caused the vacuum in which ISIS filled. He has since not allowed the military to pursue them as aggressively at they could be, enhancing their chances for their survival and growth. His narcissistic need to be the smartest guy in the room misjudged their capabilities by a wide margin, leading to actions that helped them grow. Finally, he's fractured our traditional relationships in the region, causing distrust, and made promises he didn't keep (Syria) leaving allies questioning where the US stood.

And somehow that's the equivalent of Trump just saying that a wall should be built and that we should actually control our immigration so that criminals and those who will not add in a positive way to our society should be kept out?

Yeah, those are on the same playing field

I'm rather happy - minus the violence of course - to see these idiot protesters act in a manner fulfilling the worst stereotypes about Mexican illegal immigrants. The Dem's want them for their votes - damn their economic impact on the lower classes or their disruption to society. Trump wants immigration managed as it should be, to have proper legal controls over who and what type of people come in - just like most every country in the world. Which makes more sense?

As someone who lives and works among the portion of our military that spent the most time in Iraq (10th Mountain Division, US Army), thank god Obama did cut back our presence as 12 years and multiple tours by a relatively few men and women has done irreparable damage to our military personnel and their families. Keeping these men and women there indefinitely would have done nothing to change the creation of ISIS as that occurred the minute we bungled the occupation.

Sadly, in all the political banter and discourse about the colossal failure of the Bush/Cheney adventure in Iraq, this fact is rarely mentioned or discussed. It's shameful and disgusting, frankly that anyone believed military personnel could nation build and create a functioning government within a region of the world with such diverse cultures, decades long disputes, mistrust, limited resources, etc.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 8:41 am
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.

Hold Trump "accountable" for the type of behavior we see at his rally's?

Take a look at the title of this thread.....


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 8:43 am
Fujirich
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.

Oh please - so there's no difference between actions vs words?

Obama ordered the downsizing of our military presence that caused the vacuum in which ISIS filled. He has since not allowed the military to pursue them as aggressively at they could be, enhancing their chances for their survival and growth. His narcissistic need to be the smartest guy in the room misjudged their capabilities by a wide margin, leading to actions that helped them grow. Finally, he's fractured our traditional relationships in the region, causing distrust, and made promises he didn't keep (Syria) leaving allies questioning where the US stood.

And somehow that's the equivalent of Trump just saying that a wall should be built and that we should actually control our immigration so that criminals and those who will not add in a positive way to our society should be kept out?

Yeah, those are on the same playing field

I'm rather happy - minus the violence of course - to see these idiot protesters act in a manner fulfilling the worst stereotypes about Mexican illegal immigrants. The Dem's want them for their votes - damn their economic impact on the lower classes or their disruption to society. Trump wants immigration managed as it should be, to have proper legal controls over who and what type of people come in - just like most every country in the world. Which makes more sense?

Oh please - the downsizing of American troops in Iraq was agreed to by George Bush before he left office. If you don't get that one simple thing right, the rest of you rant is pointless.

Yes, everything is still Bush's fault.

So the smartest guy ever doesn't have responsibility for what happens on his watch? Horribly misjudging ISIS and calling them the JV team didn't happen? And pathetic response and the WH's picking of ISIS targets is also Bush's fault?

Okie dokie...


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 8:56 am
Swifty
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.

Oh please - so there's no difference between actions vs words?

Obama ordered the downsizing of our military presence that caused the vacuum in which ISIS filled. He has since not allowed the military to pursue them as aggressively at they could be, enhancing their chances for their survival and growth. His narcissistic need to be the smartest guy in the room misjudged their capabilities by a wide margin, leading to actions that helped them grow. Finally, he's fractured our traditional relationships in the region, causing distrust, and made promises he didn't keep (Syria) leaving allies questioning where the US stood.

And somehow that's the equivalent of Trump just saying that a wall should be built and that we should actually control our immigration so that criminals and those who will not add in a positive way to our society should be kept out?

Bush disbanded the Iraqi national army and police force after the invasion of Iraq and this was what created the power vacuum in Iraq led to the rise of ISIS. Many of the national army officers that Bush dismissed now run the ISIS army.

Bush disbanded an army which led to the formation of another army which now has to be fought with US tax payer money. Great policy Fuji for reducing the size of government and you are totally on board for it.

You seem to be confusing Trump’s statements on Mexicans with statements he made labeling all Muslims as potential terrorists. These off hand and highly inaccurate statements by Trump offended all Muslims, the vast majority of whom have nothing to do with terrorism, yet are important allies in the fight against ISIS both abroad and in the US. Because of Trump’s statements, which have infuriated Muslims and made them less likely to share intelligence info, it is now more expensive for the US to fight ISIS as it expands abroad. Thus the cost of fighting ISIS has increased because of Trump’s statements and the US tax payer has to bear the brunt of these costs.

I'm rather happy - minus the violence of course - to see these idiot protesters act in a manner fulfilling the worst stereotypes about Mexican illegal immigrants. The Dem's want them for their votes - damn their economic impact on the lower classes or their disruption to society. Trump wants immigration managed as it should be, to have proper legal controls over who and what type of people come in - just like most every country in the world. Which makes more sense?

This is just racist nonsense.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 8:59 am
jkeller
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.

Oh please - so there's no difference between actions vs words?

Obama ordered the downsizing of our military presence that caused the vacuum in which ISIS filled. He has since not allowed the military to pursue them as aggressively at they could be, enhancing their chances for their survival and growth. His narcissistic need to be the smartest guy in the room misjudged their capabilities by a wide margin, leading to actions that helped them grow. Finally, he's fractured our traditional relationships in the region, causing distrust, and made promises he didn't keep (Syria) leaving allies questioning where the US stood.

And somehow that's the equivalent of Trump just saying that a wall should be built and that we should actually control our immigration so that criminals and those who will not add in a positive way to our society should be kept out?

Yeah, those are on the same playing field

I'm rather happy - minus the violence of course - to see these idiot protesters act in a manner fulfilling the worst stereotypes about Mexican illegal immigrants. The Dem's want them for their votes - damn their economic impact on the lower classes or their disruption to society. Trump wants immigration managed as it should be, to have proper legal controls over who and what type of people come in - just like most every country in the world. Which makes more sense?

Oh please - the downsizing of American troops in Iraq was agreed to by George Bush before he left office. If you don't get that one simple thing right, the rest of you rant is pointless.

Yes, everything is still Bush's fault.

So the smartest guy ever doesn't have responsibility for what happens on his watch? Horribly misjudging ISIS and calling them the JV team didn't happen? And pathetic response and the WH's picking of ISIS targets is also Bush's fault?

Okie dokie...

The only person casting blame here was you. I merely corrected your error. Please browse through this link and see who signed it. Thanks.

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 9:04 am
gina
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Tired of people saying 'restore America to what it once was'.... what the hell does that even mean?

Can't you see what we have lost over the years?

1) Jobs due to Nafta

2) People losing their homes because they lost their jobs,

3) The bailout of Wall Street and people losing their life savings in their 401K plans, businesses going out of business
,
4) The loss of our fundamental rights to peace in our homes, in our lives.

5) Illegal search and seizure becoming common day,

6) The right to assemble and protest curtailed and stopped (sound cannons, violence used against protesters),

7) Secret hit lists,

8) Warrantless harassment of normal citizens, being spied on in every manner by the govt. any time they please in any manner they please,

9) People being abducted for being politically incorrect and 'legally' taken to prisons/rendition locations, not even being given the right to make a phone call (no more due process), torture inflicted on anyone, anytime, anywhere.

10) Tyrannical, dictatorial foreign policies implemented jeopardizing the safety of every American due to what will be retribution on US soil. When we send drones killing civilians in other countries, how do we not expect retribution here since we sent the killing machines?

11) Lack of affordable health care. Obamacare makes people buy into plans that they cannot pay the monthly premiums on, nor meet the thousands of dollars deductible, and then on top of that the plans only pay at most 60% of the reasonable, customary charges. You are still forced to pay more to the Dr. What kind of a solution is that? Medicaid and Medicare, good luck, most Dr.'s don't even want to accept it because it doesn't pay enough. Why should they fill their waiting rooms with poor people, when they can get more pay-out from people with better health plans?

on, and on and on it goes.

How was it in the days of 'what America used to be?', people could afford to go to concerts, ticket prices were reasonable, people could afford to take vacations, people could afford to shop, buy things, gas was not unreasonably priced, nor food, nor clothing, nor anything because people had jobs here in America, they worked, they produced goods needed by everybody else.

There was none of this pay the farmers NOT to grow crops, we'll import cheap lousy Mexican produce and vegetables that make people sick. How many people lived on probiotics back then? It was NOT necessary, the food chain was not adulterated by GMO anything.

There were no chemtrails trying to fix our weather from the damage caused by run-a-muck scientists who want world domination including space, some of whom want to use the weather as a weapon against other peoples and countries etc. etc.

If we were involved in a war, there was a time frame, we went in, killed people and got out. We did not stay in Viet Nam forever, why are we still in Iraq and Afghanistan and plan to never leave?
Because it is not the way it once was in America.

There was a time we did not get involved in the runnings of other countries, we did not arm rebels and help them covertly take out leaders, we let their own people rise up and revolt if they chose to. Why do we now need to run the world?

There was a time you could think what you want, do what you wanted, go where you wanted. Those days are over, many do not realize it yet, but those days are over. The EZ pass and red light cameras track your movements across the land, your cell phones are GPS enabled so IF they choose to certain agencies know exactly where you are.

There was a time where there were no barcodes, stores just checked their inventory and ordered more stuff to meet consumer's needs. No data mining, no scan your club card so we know exactly who you are and what you bought, in return for your cooperation we'll throw you some cash back just to make it a littler nicer.

It has become a surveillance society of a state that seeks to run every aspect of our lives.

People aren't free when someone else is watching/tracking them every day of their lives in as many ways as possible. There was a time when your life was your own, those days are gone. You now belong to the state and their end game is an evil one.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 9:09 am
alloak41
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There are ads on Craigslist looking for "protesters" to disrupt Trump appearances, offering
$15 an hour plus room and board.

Nothing like a true, honest grass roots movement.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 9:49 am
Sang
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There are ads on Craigslist looking for "protesters" to disrupt Trump appearances, offering
$15 an hour plus room and board.

Nothing like a true, honest grass roots movement.

Like the Tea Party? lol


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 10:05 am
jkeller
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There are ads on Craigslist looking for "protesters" to disrupt Trump appearances, offering
$15 an hour plus room and board.

Nothing like a true, honest grass roots movement.

Got a link? I could use an extra few bucks.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 10:16 am
BillyBlastoff
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The violence should not be tolerated. Those responsible should be arrested, charged, put on trial and, if convicted, sentenced.

Has anyone seen the names of the attackers. There were Mexican flags in the crowd but I've not seen any specific reporting that says it was Mexican/Americans doing the attacking.

Fuji I'm surprised that you support empire building.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 11:04 am
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This will get worse before it gets better if Trump doesn't stop the rabble rousing and the stupid and ignorant racial stereotypical comments that come out of his moronic pie hole day in and day out. The man is such a narcissistic sociopath that he has an inability to control himself. He is not a unifier. He is the polar opposite. He is a divider and he continues to divide day in and day out. His party claimed after Romney's loss last general election that they needed to unify and attract more of the Latino and African American and woman's votes but he continues to alienate them with every passing day doubling down on his immense stupidity. Sometimes I have to wonder if he really wants the job the way he acts? Maybe he didn't expect to get this far and is overwhelmed by the gravity of the situation he finds himself in. I think he is starting to realize that the lifestyle of the President is far different than the schedule he has as a billionaire businessman. He is so far in over his big fat ego head that he doesn't know what to do. He is like Sarah Palin in drag. If he were a serious candidate he would have realized his incredible weakness by now and instead of spending all of his time bragging about poll numbers at rallies and tweeting personal insults and calling people names like a child he would have been familiarizing himself with the major issues so that when Clinton devastated him with his own words in her speech he could have had something better and more substantive to come back with than Crooked Hilary this and I didn't say that when he was quoted saying every single thing she said. I am astounded at how this man can flat out lie, be shown and proven to be lying with documented evidence, and then double down on those lies insisting they aren't lies when the proof that they were lies is right in front of him. You could put a white piece of paper in front of him and he would say it is black and when pointed out that it is actually white he would insist that no it is black and his supporters don't care about that or his immature and boorish behavior. Still scratching my head as to why in the world Republicans would nominate such an incredibly dumb hack to hijack their party when they could have had a slam dunk victory with Kasich and all of those SCOTUS appointments. They made their bed with Trump and now they can live with that decision for years to come. The Republicans will never learn. They could have won both of the last elections as well as this one had they chosen the right candidates and allowed them to campaign as themselves. I will be back here again in November to pass out 'I told you sos' just like I was after the last two elections..

Great post...full of meat & detail. I enjoyed reading this.

I don't know, maybe some paragraphs would be a good idea.

This will get worse before it gets better if Trump doesn't stop the rabble rousing and the stupid and ignorant racial stereotypical comments that come out of his moronic pie hole day in and day out. The man is such a narcissistic sociopath that he has an inability to control himself. He is not a unifier. He is the polar opposite. He is a divider and he continues to divide day in and day out.

His party claimed after Romney's loss last general election that they needed to unify and attract more of the Latino and African American and woman's votes but he continues to alienate them with every passing day doubling down on his immense stupidity. Sometimes I have to wonder if he really wants the job the way he acts? Maybe he didn't expect to get this far and is overwhelmed by the gravity of the situation he finds himself in. I think he is starting to realize that the lifestyle of the President is far different than the schedule he has as a billionaire businessman. He is so far in over his big fat ego head that he doesn't know what to do.

He is like Sarah Palin in drag. If he were a serious candidate he would have realized his incredible weakness by now and instead of spending all of his time bragging about poll numbers at rallies and tweeting personal insults and calling people names like a child he would have been familiarizing himself with the major issues so that when Clinton devastated him with his own words in her speech he could have had something better and more substantive to come back with than Crooked Hilary this and I didn't say that when he was quoted saying every single thing she said.

I am astounded at how this man can flat out lie, be shown and proven to be lying with documented evidence, and then double down on those lies insisting they aren't lies when the proof that they were lies is right in front of him. You could put a white piece of paper in front of him and he would say it is black and when pointed out that it is actually white he would insist that no it is black and his supporters don't care about that or his immature and boorish behavior.

Still scratching my head as to why in the world Republicans would nominate such an incredibly dumb hack to hijack their party when they could have had a slam dunk victory with Kasich and all of those SCOTUS appointments. They made their bed with Trump and now they can live with that decision for years to come.

The Republicans will never learn. They could have won both of the last elections as well as this one had they chosen the right candidates and allowed them to campaign as themselves. I will be back here again in November to pass out 'I told you sos' just like I was after the last two elections..

Is that better alloak41???


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 12:04 pm
alloak41
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This will get worse before it gets better if Trump doesn't stop the rabble rousing and the stupid and ignorant racial stereotypical comments that come out of his moronic pie hole day in and day out. The man is such a narcissistic sociopath that he has an inability to control himself. He is not a unifier. He is the polar opposite. He is a divider and he continues to divide day in and day out. His party claimed after Romney's loss last general election that they needed to unify and attract more of the Latino and African American and woman's votes but he continues to alienate them with every passing day doubling down on his immense stupidity. Sometimes I have to wonder if he really wants the job the way he acts? Maybe he didn't expect to get this far and is overwhelmed by the gravity of the situation he finds himself in. I think he is starting to realize that the lifestyle of the President is far different than the schedule he has as a billionaire businessman. He is so far in over his big fat ego head that he doesn't know what to do. He is like Sarah Palin in drag. If he were a serious candidate he would have realized his incredible weakness by now and instead of spending all of his time bragging about poll numbers at rallies and tweeting personal insults and calling people names like a child he would have been familiarizing himself with the major issues so that when Clinton devastated him with his own words in her speech he could have had something better and more substantive to come back with than Crooked Hilary this and I didn't say that when he was quoted saying every single thing she said. I am astounded at how this man can flat out lie, be shown and proven to be lying with documented evidence, and then double down on those lies insisting they aren't lies when the proof that they were lies is right in front of him. You could put a white piece of paper in front of him and he would say it is black and when pointed out that it is actually white he would insist that no it is black and his supporters don't care about that or his immature and boorish behavior. Still scratching my head as to why in the world Republicans would nominate such an incredibly dumb hack to hijack their party when they could have had a slam dunk victory with Kasich and all of those SCOTUS appointments. They made their bed with Trump and now they can live with that decision for years to come. The Republicans will never learn. They could have won both of the last elections as well as this one had they chosen the right candidates and allowed them to campaign as themselves. I will be back here again in November to pass out 'I told you sos' just like I was after the last two elections..

Great post...full of meat & detail. I enjoyed reading this.

I don't know, maybe some paragraphs would be a good idea.

This will get worse before it gets better if Trump doesn't stop the rabble rousing and the stupid and ignorant racial stereotypical comments that come out of his moronic pie hole day in and day out. The man is such a narcissistic sociopath that he has an inability to control himself. He is not a unifier. He is the polar opposite. He is a divider and he continues to divide day in and day out.

His party claimed after Romney's loss last general election that they needed to unify and attract more of the Latino and African American and woman's votes but he continues to alienate them with every passing day doubling down on his immense stupidity. Sometimes I have to wonder if he really wants the job the way he acts? Maybe he didn't expect to get this far and is overwhelmed by the gravity of the situation he finds himself in. I think he is starting to realize that the lifestyle of the President is far different than the schedule he has as a billionaire businessman. He is so far in over his big fat ego head that he doesn't know what to do.

He is like Sarah Palin in drag. If he were a serious candidate he would have realized his incredible weakness by now and instead of spending all of his time bragging about poll numbers at rallies and tweeting personal insults and calling people names like a child he would have been familiarizing himself with the major issues so that when Clinton devastated him with his own words in her speech he could have had something better and more substantive to come back with than Crooked Hilary this and I didn't say that when he was quoted saying every single thing she said.

I am astounded at how this man can flat out lie, be shown and proven to be lying with documented evidence, and then double down on those lies insisting they aren't lies when the proof that they were lies is right in front of him. You could put a white piece of paper in front of him and he would say it is black and when pointed out that it is actually white he would insist that no it is black and his supporters don't care about that or his immature and boorish behavior.

Still scratching my head as to why in the world Republicans would nominate such an incredibly dumb hack to hijack their party when they could have had a slam dunk victory with Kasich and all of those SCOTUS appointments. They made their bed with Trump and now they can live with that decision for years to come.

The Republicans will never learn. They could have won both of the last elections as well as this one had they chosen the right candidates and allowed them to campaign as themselves. I will be back here again in November to pass out 'I told you sos' just like I was after the last two elections..

Is that better alloak41???

Much.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 2:44 pm
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I find it interesting that some of the same people that want to blame the rise of ISIS on Obama won't hold Trump accountable at all for this hot mess.

Oh please - so there's no difference between actions vs words?

Obama ordered the downsizing of our military presence that caused the vacuum in which ISIS filled. He has since not allowed the military to pursue them as aggressively at they could be, enhancing their chances for their survival and growth. His narcissistic need to be the smartest guy in the room misjudged their capabilities by a wide margin, leading to actions that helped them grow. Finally, he's fractured our traditional relationships in the region, causing distrust, and made promises he didn't keep (Syria) leaving allies questioning where the US stood.

And somehow that's the equivalent of Trump just saying that a wall should be built and that we should actually control our immigration so that criminals and those who will not add in a positive way to our society should be kept out?

Yeah, those are on the same playing field

I'm rather happy - minus the violence of course - to see these idiot protesters act in a manner fulfilling the worst stereotypes about Mexican illegal immigrants. The Dem's want them for their votes - damn their economic impact on the lower classes or their disruption to society. Trump wants immigration managed as it should be, to have proper legal controls over who and what type of people come in - just like most every country in the world. Which makes more sense?

Oh please - the downsizing of American troops in Iraq was agreed to by George Bush before he left office. If you don't get that one simple thing right, the rest of you rant is pointless.

Yes, everything is still Bush's fault.

So the smartest guy ever doesn't have responsibility for what happens on his watch? Horribly misjudging ISIS and calling them the JV team didn't happen? And pathetic response and the WH's picking of ISIS targets is also Bush's fault?

Okie dokie...

Yes, Bush created ISIS when his administration invaded Iraq and subsequently bungled the occupation.

However, my overarching point is that endless occupation of the Middle East as I understand you to believe should be our policy is not without tremendous cost to the very few who are tasked with that very occupation.

Don't take my word for it, spend some time with a soldier and his or her family who are now on their seventh or eighth tour of Iraq and get their opinion of this endless occupation.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 3:07 pm
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This will get worse before it gets better if Trump doesn't stop the rabble rousing and the stupid and ignorant racial stereotypical comments that come out of his moronic pie hole day in and day out. The man is such a narcissistic sociopath that he has an inability to control himself. He is not a unifier. He is the polar opposite. He is a divider and he continues to divide day in and day out. His party claimed after Romney's loss last general election that they needed to unify and attract more of the Latino and African American and woman's votes but he continues to alienate them with every passing day doubling down on his immense stupidity. Sometimes I have to wonder if he really wants the job the way he acts? Maybe he didn't expect to get this far and is overwhelmed by the gravity of the situation he finds himself in. I think he is starting to realize that the lifestyle of the President is far different than the schedule he has as a billionaire businessman. He is so far in over his big fat ego head that he doesn't know what to do. He is like Sarah Palin in drag. If he were a serious candidate he would have realized his incredible weakness by now and instead of spending all of his time bragging about poll numbers at rallies and tweeting personal insults and calling people names like a child he would have been familiarizing himself with the major issues so that when Clinton devastated him with his own words in her speech he could have had something better and more substantive to come back with than Crooked Hilary this and I didn't say that when he was quoted saying every single thing she said. I am astounded at how this man can flat out lie, be shown and proven to be lying with documented evidence, and then double down on those lies insisting they aren't lies when the proof that they were lies is right in front of him. You could put a white piece of paper in front of him and he would say it is black and when pointed out that it is actually white he would insist that no it is black and his supporters don't care about that or his immature and boorish behavior. Still scratching my head as to why in the world Republicans would nominate such an incredibly dumb hack to hijack their party when they could have had a slam dunk victory with Kasich and all of those SCOTUS appointments. They made their bed with Trump and now they can live with that decision for years to come. The Republicans will never learn. They could have won both of the last elections as well as this one had they chosen the right candidates and allowed them to campaign as themselves. I will be back here again in November to pass out 'I told you sos' just like I was after the last two elections..

Great post...full of meat & detail. I enjoyed reading this.

I don't know, maybe some paragraphs would be a good idea.

This will get worse before it gets better if Trump doesn't stop the rabble rousing and the stupid and ignorant racial stereotypical comments that come out of his moronic pie hole day in and day out. The man is such a narcissistic sociopath that he has an inability to control himself. He is not a unifier. He is the polar opposite. He is a divider and he continues to divide day in and day out.

His party claimed after Romney's loss last general election that they needed to unify and attract more of the Latino and African American and woman's votes but he continues to alienate them with every passing day doubling down on his immense stupidity. Sometimes I have to wonder if he really wants the job the way he acts? Maybe he didn't expect to get this far and is overwhelmed by the gravity of the situation he finds himself in. I think he is starting to realize that the lifestyle of the President is far different than the schedule he has as a billionaire businessman. He is so far in over his big fat ego head that he doesn't know what to do.

He is like Sarah Palin in drag. If he were a serious candidate he would have realized his incredible weakness by now and instead of spending all of his time bragging about poll numbers at rallies and tweeting personal insults and calling people names like a child he would have been familiarizing himself with the major issues so that when Clinton devastated him with his own words in her speech he could have had something better and more substantive to come back with than Crooked Hilary this and I didn't say that when he was quoted saying every single thing she said.

I am astounded at how this man can flat out lie, be shown and proven to be lying with documented evidence, and then double down on those lies insisting they aren't lies when the proof that they were lies is right in front of him. You could put a white piece of paper in front of him and he would say it is black and when pointed out that it is actually white he would insist that no it is black and his supporters don't care about that or his immature and boorish behavior.

Still scratching my head as to why in the world Republicans would nominate such an incredibly dumb hack to hijack their party when they could have had a slam dunk victory with Kasich and all of those SCOTUS appointments. They made their bed with Trump and now they can live with that decision for years to come.

The Republicans will never learn. They could have won both of the last elections as well as this one had they chosen the right candidates and allowed them to campaign as themselves. I will be back here again in November to pass out 'I told you sos' just like I was after the last two elections..

Is that better alloak41???

Much.

Since in your 2 posts your only comment was trivializing the format re: lack of paragraphs, we'll take it that either his post flew over your head, or you agreed with the contents.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 3:18 pm
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Bush disbanded the Iraqi national army and police force after the invasion of Iraq and this was what created the power vacuum in Iraq led to the rise of ISIS. Many of the national army officers that Bush dismissed now run the ISIS army.

So in 7.5 years of ISIS' growth during the Obama presidency, there was just nothing he could do because Bush got rid of the guard and police in '03/'04? What a hoot - you guys find the most contorted reasoning possible to overlook Obama's inactions or wrong actions and blame everything on Bush.

Bush disbanded an army which led to the formation of another army which now has to be fought with US tax payer money. Great policy Fuji for reducing the size of government and you are totally on board for it.

I wouldn't disagree that ISIS was helped by these actions. But you clumsily mix the issue of bloated gov't with security. While no fan of the reasoning that got us into Iraq, once there, we had to deal with the mess that was made. Bad as the mideast was at the end of the Bush presidency, its certainly worse now. But of course, none of that is Obama's fault, right? Maybe we can nail Reagan for something while we're at it.

This is just racist nonsense.

Only for those choosing to live under the ridiculous PC code that doesn't allow identification of people when progressives find said group useful to their aims, no matter what their impact on others.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 4:36 pm
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Bush disbanded the Iraqi national army and police force after the invasion of Iraq and this was what created the power vacuum in Iraq led to the rise of ISIS. Many of the national army officers that Bush dismissed now run the ISIS army.

So in 7.5 years of ISIS' growth during the Obama presidency, there was just nothing he could do because Bush got rid of the guard and police in '03/'04? What a hoot - you guys find the most contorted reasoning possible to overlook Obama's inactions or wrong actions and blame everything on Bush.

Bush disbanded an army which led to the formation of another army which now has to be fought with US tax payer money. Great policy Fuji for reducing the size of government and you are totally on board for it.

I wouldn't disagree that ISIS was helped by these actions. But you clumsily mix the issue of bloated gov't with security. While no fan of the reasoning that got us into Iraq, once there, we had to deal with the mess that was made. Bad as the mideast was at the end of the Bush presidency, its certainly worse now. But of course, none of that is Obama's fault, right? Maybe we can nail Reagan for something while we're at it.

This is just racist nonsense.

Only for those choosing to live under the ridiculous PC code that doesn't allow identification of people when progressives find said group useful to their aims, no matter what their impact on others.

I noticed that you ignored the link I gave you showing that Bush signed the agreement about the RIF in Iraq. Even after that, you still lay the fault entirely on Obama, while you whine about Bush getting blamed for anything. The fact is that Obama honored the RIF and even if he wanted to send troops to fight ISIS, the Republican controlled Congress would not allow it. But it is all Obama's fault.

Tell me again that you are not a Republican supporter. It is good for a laugh. 😛


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 6:04 pm
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He would be Divider In Chief if elected.

I think the current state of "Political correctness" has done more to divide this country than any candidate might ever dream of....

This photo was snapped at the Trump"rally" in San Jose the other night... My question is..."Why are there Mexican Flags being waved"?

If Mexico is so great, why did you leave it?
If your fear of Trump is one of being deported, why are you presenting the Flag of the country you have no desire to return to?
If this country provides you with opportunities you desire, why are you not waving the Stars and Stripes?
Why the masks?

I know, I know, these questions are just not PC....

But they are worthy of an answer.

[Edited on 6/4/2016 by BIGV]

Do you have the same objection to Irish flags being carried during St. Patrick's Day parades? Italian flags on Columbus Day? Or is it just Mexicans that you oppose?

Is there a lot of violence and mask wearing to hide ones identity from cameras on St. Patty's day?..or Columbus Day?..I think not.

I don't see any masks on your picture.

Note to jkeller: I really don't believe that you're blind, so I can give you a hint to where some of the people wearing masks are.
Look at the picture, concentrate on the two inches of the photo on the far right. Look up and down that two inch wide swath of the photo.
It's not like you're having to find Waldo in a sea of red and white socks. Or, could it be that you're the closet bigot here.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 6:39 pm
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He would be Divider In Chief if elected.

I think the current state of "Political correctness" has done more to divide this country than any candidate might ever dream of....

This photo was snapped at the Trump"rally" in San Jose the other night... My question is..."Why are there Mexican Flags being waved"?

If Mexico is so great, why did you leave it?
If your fear of Trump is one of being deported, why are you presenting the Flag of the country you have no desire to return to?
If this country provides you with opportunities you desire, why are you not waving the Stars and Stripes?
Why the masks?

I know, I know, these questions are just not PC....

But they are worthy of an answer.

[Edited on 6/4/2016 by BIGV]

Do you have the same objection to Irish flags being carried during St. Patrick's Day parades? Italian flags on Columbus Day? Or is it just Mexicans that you oppose?

Is there a lot of violence and mask wearing to hide ones identity from cameras on St. Patty's day?..or Columbus Day?..I think not.

I don't see any masks on your picture.

Note to jkeller: I really don't believe that you're blind, so I can give you a hint to where some of the people wearing masks are.
Look at the picture, concentrate on the two inches of the photo on the far right. Look up and down that two inch wide swath of the photo.
It's not like you're having to find Waldo in a sea of red and white socks. Or, could it be that you're the closet bigot here.

Since you are our resident Mr. Literal, do you know the difference between a mask and a bandana?

(I am still waiting to hear what well regulated militia you belong to.)
😛


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 6:53 pm
Jerry
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He would be Divider In Chief if elected.

I think the current state of "Political correctness" has done more to divide this country than any candidate might ever dream of....

This photo was snapped at the Trump"rally" in San Jose the other night... My question is..."Why are there Mexican Flags being waved"?

If Mexico is so great, why did you leave it?
If your fear of Trump is one of being deported, why are you presenting the Flag of the country you have no desire to return to?
If this country provides you with opportunities you desire, why are you not waving the Stars and Stripes?
Why the masks?

I know, I know, these questions are just not PC....

But they are worthy of an answer.

[Edited on 6/4/2016 by BIGV]

Do you have the same objection to Irish flags being carried during St. Patrick's Day parades? Italian flags on Columbus Day? Or is it just Mexicans that you oppose?

Is there a lot of violence and mask wearing to hide ones identity from cameras on St. Patty's day?..or Columbus Day?..I think not.

I don't see any masks on your picture.

Note to jkeller: I really don't believe that you're blind, so I can give you a hint to where some of the people wearing masks are.
Look at the picture, concentrate on the two inches of the photo on the far right. Look up and down that two inch wide swath of the photo.
It's not like you're having to find Waldo in a sea of red and white socks. Or, could it be that you're the closet bigot here.

Since you are our resident Mr. Literal, do you know the difference between a mask and a bandana?

(I am still waiting to hear what well regulated militia you belong to.)
😛

1) They are masked using bandannas, in other words "masking their appearance".

2) The unorganized militia, the same as you, well, if you're a legal citizen and you don't fall under (10 USC 311).


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 7:13 pm
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So, if you attend a Trump rally, choose to be confrontational and are waving a flag to display your nationalistic fervor...It's just like the celebration of a Holiday event or a parade!

And if you disagree with that, you are a bigot.

Well, this voter takes exception with that viewpoint.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 7:28 pm
jkeller
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He would be Divider In Chief if elected.

I think the current state of "Political correctness" has done more to divide this country than any candidate might ever dream of....

This photo was snapped at the Trump"rally" in San Jose the other night... My question is..."Why are there Mexican Flags being waved"?

If Mexico is so great, why did you leave it?
If your fear of Trump is one of being deported, why are you presenting the Flag of the country you have no desire to return to?
If this country provides you with opportunities you desire, why are you not waving the Stars and Stripes?
Why the masks?

I know, I know, these questions are just not PC....

But they are worthy of an answer.

[Edited on 6/4/2016 by BIGV]

Do you have the same objection to Irish flags being carried during St. Patrick's Day parades? Italian flags on Columbus Day? Or is it just Mexicans that you oppose?

Is there a lot of violence and mask wearing to hide ones identity from cameras on St. Patty's day?..or Columbus Day?..I think not.

I don't see any masks on your picture.

Note to jkeller: I really don't believe that you're blind, so I can give you a hint to where some of the people wearing masks are.
Look at the picture, concentrate on the two inches of the photo on the far right. Look up and down that two inch wide swath of the photo.
It's not like you're having to find Waldo in a sea of red and white socks. Or, could it be that you're the closet bigot here.

Since you are our resident Mr. Literal, do you know the difference between a mask and a bandana?

(I am still waiting to hear what well regulated militia you belong to.)
😛

1) They are masked using bandannas, in other words "masking their appearance".

2) The unorganized militia, the same as you, well, if you're a legal citizen and you don't fall under (10 USC 311).

Masking their appearance could mean anything from wearing makeup to wearing other types of clothing. The statement was that they are wearing masks.

Unorganized well regulated militia. That's an oxymoron. Thanks for playing.


 
Posted : June 5, 2016 7:34 pm
bob1954
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Just a quick comment to express my appreciation for the most comically absurd discussion of a photograph I have ever heard. Carry on...


 
Posted : June 6, 2016 3:49 am
Jerry
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(I am still waiting to hear what well regulated militia you belong to.)
😛

1) They are masked using bandannas, in other words "masking their appearance".

2) The unorganized militia, the same as you, well, if you're a legal citizen and you don't fall under (10 USC 311).

Masking their appearance could mean anything from wearing makeup to wearing other types of clothing. The statement was that they are wearing masks.

Unorganized well regulated militia. That's an oxymoron. Thanks for playing.

Sorry, but I'm not responsible for the definitions thought up by the US Congress, or for your ignorance of law.


 
Posted : June 6, 2016 4:05 am
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