@kcjimmy plenty of evidence to support your premise, at the source of which was/is the chemistry between Derek and Warren: at least for a couple years(2003-2005), it rivaled Duane and Dickey's for intensity and ingenuity.
@dovetail Yeah I think so. Jack Pearson and Dickey and Derek and Dickey and early 90's Dickey and Warren had hot streaks.
Yes Warren ( a good prolific song writer) and Derek had really good nights.
Another good review of TTB from 2023.
https://www.jambase.com/article/tedeschi-trucks-band-mr-clean-cover-fort-myers-setlist-audio
This thread has taken a noticeable detour from its original route. I'll play anyway.
In defense of the final line-up - and every line-up that came after the originals - what they were doing was carrying the torch and furthering the flame.
Not many bands ever top their first studio efforts. Record companies and producers usually want the absolute finest material put out there first - generally because they take such huge cuts in an artist's infancy. How many studio albums did the final line-up make (one?)? How many albums did the band make with Jack or Jimmy (nada?)?
The last LP had its moments. The overall sound quality - phonics, technique and technology really made these records sound different from the early Tom Dowd stuff. Also, the band (last line-up and otherwise) had advanced beyond covering Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon et al towards writing mostly original music. The songs on Hittin the Note just have a different overall feel and vibe to the first few albums. Songs like Desdemona and Instrumental Illness would've made Duane and Berry smile. Warren's, Maydell (previously recorded my John Mayall) and Woman Across the River were worthy of any band of that era. Speaking o Warren's songs, Soulshine (despite its frequent appearances) is one of the finest songs the band ever recorded - IMO.
enough with the quantifying ABB lineups for the billionth time. This thread is about Derek and Susan.
The band is definitely a better band now than it's ever been. It would be a better band now if Duane was here in it. It would be a better band now if Berry was here. It would be a better band in any way as long as we keep studying how to play. I wish Duane and Berry were here, and the band could be like that, but that's not the way it is. I'm glad we're doing it the way we are, since that's the way it is.
- Dickey Betts, 1995
Couldn't agree more PCB.
"Is that a real poncho or is that a Sears poncho?"
@porkchopbob I can't wait to hear that Susan/Harry Styles colab'! 😉
The idea of a jazz(ish) record excites me. Derek was pretty young in his earlier forays into jazz, the last recording basically being the two long jazz cuts on Roadsongs. It’d be great to hear what 10 years more experience and maturity brings out.
I just got back from seeing TTB in Clearwater and Gainesville. I've seen a lot of TTB shows, and these were probably two of the top 5. If anyone thinks TTB limits Derek, they haven't seen a TTB show - he's always front and center. Especially with "Pasaquan" - just drummers, keys, bass, and Derek's fingers for about 10-15 minutes. It's glorious. Still, I'm often surprised how much of a TTB show features his slide. If anything I'd love to hear more horn solos (which we got on the "Show Me" encore) compliment him. It's a great combo.
However, seeing the band still peaking after 13+ years (remember, the Allman Brothers had broken up twice during the same amount of time), reminded me a little of dTb in 2009. Both bands have built this vast catalogue of originals and covers they have made their own. They're selling out shows and reached this plateau - I could see Derek thinking about moving on to something at that moment, before the well dries. Derek mentioned in an interview recently that going forward maybe TTB would do a year off, or a year with just 15 dates, and then 2 years on. It makes sense with such a big band that some might like the steady gig, others might want to seek other opportunities. It would certainly break up the momentum, but maybe that's the key to staying fresh, kind of like the Stones.
Agree, they are hot right now.
For the conspiracy theorists, or optimists regarding a Derek /Jimmy project, I think it's interesting that nothing has been announce for the summer other than Peach Fest. Usually, by now, the summer shed tour is announced and tix are on sale.
Maybe something different this summer?
@rusty Are you saying the original lineup mostly coveted Muddy Waters and Willie Dixon? And Hitting The Note is a better album than Idlewild South, At Fillmore East, Eat A Peach and Brothers and Sisters?
Are you saying Soulshine ( a fine song BTW) equals Dreams, Whipping Post, Ain't Waisting Time No More, Melissa, Stand back, Blue Sky, Waisted Words, Ramblin' Man, Southbound, Jessica?
And Instrumental Illness is as good as In Memory of Elizabeth Reed and Jessica?
There is NOTHING on Hitting The Note that equals the first five Allman Brothers Band albums. I bought Hitting The Note and ALL ABB albums. But none after Brothers and Sisters are as exceptional or sold as many records as the first five. Don't forget the first two were rereleased as Beginnings in January of 1973 and sold 700,000 copies.
Warren Haynes is a fine song writer and Soulshine is one of his best. But so far he hasn't equaled what Gregg Allman and Dickey Betts wrote for the Allman Brothers Band.
Gregg Allman couldn't write another classic ABB song the last decades of the band either and Dickey didn't either after Where It All Begins. Actually their album heyday ended in 1973 with Brothers and Sisters.
You're on shaky ground when you start comparing any ABB album beyond Brothers and Sisters to the first five. ALL of their classics or hits if you will are on the first five with very few exceptions.
Soulshine, Firing Line, Instrumental Illness, Crazy Love, Seven Turns, Good Clean Fun, True Gravity, Change My Way of Living are all great songs and I love them but they ain't a Blue Sky, Midnight Rider, Whipping Post, Revival, Stand Back, Jessica, In Memory of Elizabeth Reed, Dreams etc.
It sounds as if I'm criticizing the later lineup and their albums. I'm NOT. They are great and good song writing. Even Reach For the Sky has some good songs and performances on it.
But Fillmore East, Eat A Peach, Brothers and Sisters and perhaps Idlewild South are in Dark Side Of The Moon or Sergeant Peppers territory for the Allman Brothers.
Don't get mad at me. I love all the lineups and albums but when you separate out the band's Casablanca or Ben-Hur or Gone With The Wind it's probably just Fillmore East, Eat A Peach and Brothers and Sisters to get their real classics.
@robertdee That's not what I'm saying, but I do appreciate all of your typing! Now, how about that Harry Styles? 😉
Harry is the man!!
How about this take on Whipping Post? They knocked it out of the park for Duane, Gregg, Dickey, Berry and Butch. Those men knew who this show was for and I was there and lucky I didn't catch Covid.
And it was just as hot and ABB as this.
Enjoy all versions of the message you type & type again robertdee - you riff on that theme the way the Allmans riffed on their similar 1969-71 setlists
🤙’best’ or ‘most’ imho doesn’t belong in music discussion - as you said b4 you feel the fact that the original band came first, is what makes their music the best, & the rest, well….
Every lineup that came after brought something to the table that kept me as a fan throughout - never saw/heard any of them as pinch hitters, a reference you made earlier - David Grissom, yes, he was a PH - David ‘Frankie’ Toler? No, he was a full member - it’s all good
loved ERogues - one thing however, wish Danny had used the Fender rig he used much later in DB&GS, he & Dickey to my ears sounded too alike on an otherwise really good ‘comeback’ album🎶
Are FTMOTWest & I-Illness their two best instrumentals? - is Nobody Knows the best thing the Brothers ever did in the studio?👂it all depends on the listener - they’re faves of mine, any era - Dona Maria too🎼
no one disagrees that the albums the Duane/BO band did can’t be topped - what came after was worthy & more too🤙
betting the various upcoming TTB solo projects will be as tremendous as Laid Back & Highway Call🎵
Any updates on Derek solo project/jazz/Jimmy conversation? Putting on my Christmas list of theater tour across South of a Derek and Jimmy guitar-headed supergroup. No vocals. Oteil on bass. Maybe someone like Jeff Coffin on sax..or a Ravi. Lot of wishful thinking
Sounds cool, mayb they’ll revisit some ARU/Frogwings stuff, also DTB material, loved their Mr PC - Project Z is my only Jimmy CD, that bomb instrumental playing a la Vai, Satriani, later Beck - in jazz mode mayb a nod to their ABB stage days w/Kinda Bird, Les Brers….as you say a lotta wishful thinking
I'm one of those guys who feels Derek limits himself so that everyone else in the band can shine, especially Susan
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I haven't read through this whole thing and I doubt this will happen but I would love to see it dTb get back together and Susan with her band separate. I liked both groups so much better in that arrangement.
Everything in Moderation. Including Moderation.
I haven't read through this whole thing and I doubt this will happen but I would love to see it dTb get back together and Susan with her band separate.
Well, with only Derek, Mike, and Todd still with us I think a dTb reunion is unlikely. Knowing Derek, he'll probably do something completely fresh.
TTB has been a juggernaut on stage, and I Am the Moon might be there greatest triumph yet. I could see them taking a break while on top.
My plan is to be all in.
@porkchopbob I Am The Moon is my favorite. Played it yesterday in the car while driving in the mountains.
Probably Derek does need a break.
I'm one of those guys who feels Derek limits himself so that everyone else in the band can shine, especially Susan
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It's a band - not a solo act. Even with DTB, his playing wasn't front and center every song. He let the other members show their stuff too.
If you have seen him lately (or listened to some shows), there are several times each show that he just takes off on a totally mindblowing solo - both on slide and fretted. There are still times when everyone leaves the stage except him, the drummers, and Brandon, and the spot is on Derek. It happens once or twice a show - same as with DTB.
one man's opinion
I'm one of those guys who feels Derek limits himself so that everyone else in the band can shine, especially Susan
🙋🤷
It's a band - not a solo act. Even with DTB, his playing wasn't front and center every song. He let the other members show their stuff too.
If you have seen him lately (or listened to some shows), there are several times each show that he just takes off on a totally mindblowing solo - both on slide and fretted. There are still times when everyone leaves the stage except him, the drummers, and Brandon, and the spot is on Derek. It happens once or twice a show - same as with DTB.
one man's opinion
Glad you like them. I'm not partial to it myself. To each their own.
