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Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Go Neil!
Free speech for Neil just not for anybody else and get off my lawn while your at it. If closed minded angry old man can happen to the "Helpless Helpless" mind, what hope for the rest of us. Thank Christ for EC and Van Morrison. Boris Johnson too
I think "misinformation" will be one of the new popular words this 2021- 2022 😉 😉 😉 . I guess you could say it has different levels of values. The truth being at the top, and lies at the bottom. We have to sort it out, educate and choose.
I doubt Spotify is shaking in their shows. Rogan has millions of listeners and followers on there. Losing Neil I don't think has them worried. Now maybe if others followed suit, there could be a problem.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
Free speech for Neil just not for anybody else and get off my lawn while your at it. If closed minded angry old man can happen to the "Helpless Helpless" mind, what hope for the rest of us. Thank Christ for EC and Van Morrison. Boris Johnson too
thank god for meatloaf too . he got a few years before covid killed him. bet he wishes he made different choices now
Free speech and spreading lies that can cause damage are not the same thing
Free speech for Neil just not for anybody else
Incorrect. He didn't say Rogan can't speak, just that he doesn't want his work featured on the same platform as Rogan.
I think "misinformation" will be one of the new popular words this 2021- 2022 😉 😉 😉 . I guess you could say it has different levels of values. The truth being at the top, and lies at the bottom. We have to sort it out, educate and choose.
I doubt Spotify is shaking in their shows. Rogan has millions of listeners and followers on there. Losing Neil I don't think has them worried. Now maybe if others followed suit, there could be a problem.
"Misinformation"= You being in the way of Big Pharma's profits.
This just in according to the latest AnOmaly YouTube. Neil Young is getting removed from Spotify. Ha ha! Looks good on the old com... , I'd better not say it. Musicians have no excuse to be hard core lefties. They should know better. Just listen to old Duane. The euphoria in his music comes from his bluesy jubilation, the blending of opposite feelings, like sad and happy together. Instead the stupid commies get their euphorias from feeling greed and envy and holding others back, combined with a proclaimed zeal to see every person have the same. Notice they have no tolerance for other opinions. So disappointed in old Neil.
I know a few people who exclusively listen to music from pandora, spotify and youtube. Demand to be removed, demand to be unheard. Neil's never been a commercial guy so I doubt he cares. I do wonder what the contractual issues might've been. Spotify may have yielded to avoid any type of negative attention, but is, was Neil within his rights to demand such removal based on whatever agreement had been previously been signed for his music to be featured there - would he have won in a legal contest, and was there any, is there any money owed back by Neil or does Spotify owe him money back now - just kind of wondering on those things. Don't care about the other stuff, I hardly know who Joe Rogan is and don't care to know who he is. As for Neil, I guess Spotify don't need him around anyhow.
Before I told my friends at Warner Bros about my desire to leave the SPOTIFY platform, I was reminded by my own legal forces that contractually I did not have the control of my music to do that. I announced I was leaving anyway, because I knew I was. I was prepared to do all I could and more just to make sure that happened.
I want to thank my truly great and supportive record company Warner Brothers - Reprise Records, for standing with me in my decision to pull all my music from Spotify. Thank You!
Spotify represents 60% of the streaming of my music to listeners around the world, almost every record I have ever released is available - my life’s music - a huge loss for my record company to absorb. Yet my friends at WARNER BROTHERS REPRISE stood with me, recognizing the threat the COVID misinformation on SPOTIFY posed to the world - particularly for our young people who think everything they hear on SPOTIFY is true. Unfortunately it is not.
Thank you WARNER BROTHERS for standing with me and taking the hit - losing 60% of my world wide streaming income in the name of Truth.
A little info, he didn't have control over his music. Still unsure if there was a breach of contract type penalty. Neil doesn't need the money, but the record company agreeing to lose it speaks to their respect for Neil.
Before I told my friends at Warner Bros about my desire to leave the SPOTIFY platform, I was reminded by my own legal forces that contractually I did not have the control of my music to do that. I announced I was leaving anyway, because I knew I was. I was prepared to do all I could and more just to make sure that happened.
I want to thank my truly great and supportive record company Warner Brothers - Reprise Records, for standing with me in my decision to pull all my music from Spotify. Thank You!
Spotify represents 60% of the streaming of my music to listeners around the world, almost every record I have ever released is available - my life’s music - a huge loss for my record company to absorb. Yet my friends at WARNER BROTHERS REPRISE stood with me, recognizing the threat the COVID misinformation on SPOTIFY posed to the world - particularly for our young people who think everything they hear on SPOTIFY is true. Unfortunately it is not.
Thank you WARNER BROTHERS for standing with me and taking the hit - losing 60% of my world wide streaming income in the name of Truth.
a little info. Still insure if there was a breach of contract type penalty. Neil doesn't need the money I'd assume, but the record company agreeing to lose it speaks to their respect for Neil.
I dont know the numbers for sure, but it would be interesting to see what the record labels and artists bring in off of these streaming services. I don think its very much, but I could be wrong.
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
The most comprehensive coverage of this has been in The WSJ & the FT - not music news. Spotify's primary owners are investment funds not music industry execs. Spotify did a $100mm deal w/Rogan & their position is essentially - we're in business to make $$, Rogan is a comedian, he's our biggest draw, we're not involved in his content nor do we want to be. Actually, they do care about his content to some degree because they've taken down 20,000 episodes re Covid (not necessarily by Rogan).
NY doesn't have an exclusive w/spotify - there's a Sirius show, apple, and NY has his own subscription service for $20/month (can't imagine who needs to hear him that much, but never mind). He removed all his music from streamers for a bit then went back due to his contractual inability to do so. Truly, the monetary amounts & contractual forfeitures involved for someone like NY is miniscule.
there's nothing political about health and wanting to stay alive.
I'm sure Neil doesn't care about the money. He's not that type for sure. It's principle.
Say is Spotify canceled Joe Rogan's show, I'm pretty sure they would owe him some amount of money that was to be paid over the course of the contract. Just as if Joe Rogan left, he might owe Spotify some reimbursement of money they gave him.
This is just where my mind went.
Spotify granting Neil his release and keeping Rogan is better financially for Spotify I'd have to figure. Keeping Neil and dropping Rogan would not be
Neil suffered from polio as a kid and his stance on misinformation is grounded in his personal experience with a serious disease and what can happen when people spread lies about vaccines and who and how it will affect you.
Joe is the right wing Howard Stern a guy with a mic and an audience he wants to stir up so he says what he has to to keep people riled up and listening. If you choose to listen to him as entertainment I could accept that. If you listen to him and take his medical advise...I'd seriously worry about your ability to think it through...
I'm sure Neil doesn't care about the money. He's not that type for sure. It's principle.
Say is Spotify canceled Joe Rogan's show, I'm pretty sure they would owe him some amount of money that was to be paid over the course of the contract. Just as if Joe Rogan left, he might owe Spotify some reimbursement of money they gave him.
This is just where my mind went.
Spotify granting Neil his release and keeping Rogan is better financially for Spotify I'd have to figure. Keeping Neil and dropping Rogan would not be
Did you read my comment? Spotify essentially said to the financial press they're in business to make money, Rogan is making it, & we aren't involved in his content unless we have a court order to remove a segment (of his or anyone else). These multi-million contracts are so well drawn that Rogan isn't going to leave until his contract expires & he's free to negotiate w/any other streamer or "whatever technology has replaced streaming now or in the future" (those are the exact words originally drafted to cover movies originally intended for theatrical release played via home video & still used today to cover media that hasn't even been invented yet). Spotify isn't going to cancel their biggest draw unless he does something egregious as outlined in his contract or if spotify is sold/merger/liquidated. Every single scenario that could happened is addressed.
Spotify didn't grant a release; they agreed to end his contract under an early termination clause that has been refined over the past 50 years of very specific music agreements. Neil & WB paid.
One of the reasons Dylan gave for his sale of recordings to Sony was that he knew Sony was run by people who know music and he didn't want his body of work to end up being sold to the highest bidder of hedge funds, investment bankers, or people who say things like "wow, I didn't know Paul McCartney had a band before Wings." Sony, right now, still has music business people, but in a decade. Who knows?
I suspect a poll of spotify employees would identify about 5 people who know who NY is & they'd be accountants.
What was the cost to either party to grant Neil his release? What would the cost be to cancel Rogan? I'm not trying to make any point just genuinely curious, however the answers are probably not public knowledge.
there's nothing political about health and wanting to stay alive.
You're right but that's the trouble - it is political. Pfizer's the biggest lobbyist in Washington supposedly and it's said to have made $38B last year. All the big Billionaires we keep on hearing about, have doubled their wealth in the pandemic. Keep it coming, boys. That's why when poor Joe Rogan says, 'squeak, I had the couf, but my doc prescribed Ivermectin early treatment, and now I'm better," all of a sudden there's this giant campaign, including the patsy, Saint Neal effing Young, to shut him down for dangerous misinformation. Remember when India was always in the news because of all their dead, and suddenly we never heard about them anymore. Meanwhile their gov was sending out Ivermectin to all the people, and poof no more covid, at least before Omicron, I think. There's a similar story in Japan, but we're never allowed to hear about it. The vaccine's the only game in town.
Meanwhile Israel is the most vaccinated, but has the most cases. But USPS will seize a person's order of Ivermectin from India, and it's said some doctors have even lost their licences for proscribing it. Comedians mock it as horse medicine, nevermind that a Nobel prize was involved. Face it, there's a giant political campaign going on to promote vaccine and nothing else for this couf. Even if early treatment can save lives. Even Advil is starting to get slammed for its effectiveness. As for polio, remember that pill big pharma experimented on in Africa, and a pile of kids got it instead, so they quietly swept that under the rug. Just like the side effects with this vaccine and that's only so far.
If Joe Rogan wants to do what he can for his own health including taking some antivirals, and it works, by all means, tell us, and if Neil, 'any excuse for authoritarianism' Young wants to shut down his opinions, AnOmoly says send him back to Canada, I shamefully admit.
Those are specifics like how much did you pay for your old house, how much did you pay for your new house, how much did you finance, and what are the terms of your mortgage. As I said, every conceivable issue is covered in contracts so unless I drafted them, I don't know. There's no industry standard, but my guess is that NY/WB paid the entirety of his contract plus a 25% penalty (he wanted out for no legally legit reason). For a business like spotify, they didn't want to set a precedent that Artist A can breach their contract because they don't like being on the same service as Taylor Swift or Lady Gaga so they didn't let him out easy.
Nebish, you're a smart guy. I don't like Dylan's music, but he was 100% accurate in his assessment of who is running the music world today. It used to be people who loved music but wanted a regular job (accountant, lawyer, MBA), but it's changed to the point I don't recognize it. I get an invitation at least once/week to look at a start-up's new software on "how to value an entertainment portfolio." Plug in the numbers and out pops a guess. If the salesforce on Wall St can sell it, that's the #. Music is mere "content" to its owners now.
This is the problem, people read claims that sound amazing, and perhaps lines up with their beliefs, so they don't investigate further. But other people have, many independent trials have found there is no evidence that Ivermectin is effective against COVID.
It was developed to kill parasites in cows and horses and diseases associated with (the treatment of river blindness is what the Nobel was related to), but eventually developed for human use as well. Many people were seeking out the drug from vets where it's more readily available, which is why the FDA warned people against using "horse meds" because doses for people and horses are different. Again, it's to kill parasites, it's not an anti-viral. Ivermectin is also produced by pharmaceutical companies - do you think they'd spend resources developing vaccines if they already had a solution available? No, because it's an anti-parasitic, not an anti-viral.
Israel cases went up but the mortality rate and ICU numbers are comparatively low, likely due to its vaccination numbers.
Yes, pharmaceutical companies (and health insurances companies) make millions of dollars every year - even before COVID. It's why health care reform has been nearly impossible to accomplish because it was politicized. But now it's convenient to blame them again?
there's nothing political about health and wanting to stay alive.
You're right but that's the trouble - it is political. Pfizer's the biggest lobbyist in Washington supposedly and it's said to have made $38B last year. All the big Billionaires we keep on hearing about, have doubled their wealth in the pandemic. Keep it coming, boys. That's why when poor Joe Rogan says, 'squeak, I had the couf, but my doc prescribed Ivermectin early treatment, and now I'm better," all of a sudden there's this giant campaign, including the patsy, Saint Neal effing Young, to shut him down for dangerous misinformation. Remember when India was always in the news because of all their dead, and suddenly we never heard about them anymore. Meanwhile their gov was sending out Ivermectin to all the people, and poof no more covid, at least before Omicron, I think. There's a similar story in Japan, but we're never allowed to hear about it. The vaccine's the only game in town.
Meanwhile Israel is the most vaccinated, but has the most cases. But USPS will seize a person's order of Ivermectin from India, and it's said some doctors have even lost their licences for proscribing it. Comedians mock it as horse medicine, nevermind that a Nobel prize was involved. Face it, there's a giant political campaign going on to promote vaccine and nothing else for this couf. Even if early treatment can save lives. Even Advil is starting to get slammed for its effectiveness. As for polio, remember that pill big pharma experimented on in Africa, and a pile of kids got it instead, so they quietly swept that under the rug. Just like the side effects with this vaccine and that's only so far.
If Joe Rogan wants to do what he can for his own health including taking some antivirals, and it works, by all means, tell us, and if Neil, 'any excuse for authoritarianism' Young wants to shut down his opinions, AnOmoly says send him back to Canada, I shamefully admit.
Remember chloroquine? There were a few case reports that showed that people who took it did better. Then it was properly studied, in multiple randomized, double blinded trials. It doesn't work. This isn't the first time that something showed promise didn't work. Believe me, we wanted it to work, we had nothing else.
mRNA vaccines prevent serious illness and death in healthy people < 65 or so, and reduce the likliehood of serious illness and death in everyone else. That's not politics, that's science and data from multiple studies and post release surveillance. The entry criteria to those studies didn't require political affiliation. If you're < 65 and healthy, you might get covid, but you won't wind up in an ICU or dead. The previously healthy covid patients who wind up in ICU or dead are unvaxxed. That's the data. Are there side effects? Yes, but they are infrequent, and I can tell you they are not being swept under the rug. Are Pfizer and Moderna getting rich? Yes, that's capitalism. Are they getting too rich? Maybe - but so are other CEOs, captains of industry and huge corporations. That's a whole separate topic and a problem that won't go away soon.
Ivormectin has not been properly studied. Some people took it and got better. Some people did nothing and got better. Some people took it and wound up in an ICU from toxicity. I'm glad you got better. Would you have gotten better if all you did was tylenol and chicken soup? Maybe. We will never know until it gets properly studied in a randomized, blinded trial.
I'll stick with science and data.
I had a cold recently and took Nyquil every night for several days. I got better so Nyquil must have cured me yes?
It amazes me people will take all these unproven drugs based on reports from non-scientists/ Medical experts but will not take a vaccine that has been shown to be effective in preventing serious complications.
There's been some sincere replies and observations here but I just can't help remembering Duane's famous saying, 'Go ahead and hallucinate, I don't give a f....' . They're still doing it, Duane. It's like the world is under some mass psychosis or something. They're on their fourth booster and all the kids are going nuts but keep it coming. I remember thinking how lucky to escape WW2 and WW1 unlike my dad and granpa but it seems there's an evil afoot in the world as bad as ever. Neil said he's in favour of complete authoritarianism to any extent to save the world from global warming, his latest fad. Remember when he had a huge collection of cars.
I don't think YT links work here, but I'll put up one anyway by AnOmoly. Well worth searching out.
There is an evil in the world. Many evils. Covid-19 is one of them.
I'm trying to figure out, Neil Young means nothing to spotify. At what point, what accumulation of artists does matter - what would it take for them to dump Rogan?
I don't care if they dump him, I have no desire to see them dump him, have little to no idea who he is. Just wondering in general at what point does he lose his value to the company?
You're down the rabbit hole. Rogan has a $100mm deal w/spotify; I don't know the terms, including length. His contract has nothing to do w/any other artists. Rogan's contract would be terminated if HE breached his contract - for example, if he has a minimum threshold of streams & he doesn't meet it.
You're down the rabbit hole. Rogan has a $100mm deal w/spotify; I don't know the terms, including length. His contract has nothing to do w/any other artists. Rogan's contract would be terminated if HE breached his contract - for example, if he has a minimum threshold of streams & he doesn't meet it.
We also don't know if there are any content restrictions in his contract. Did Spotify have any restrictions on what he is allowed to talk about such as content deemed offensive like adult subjects or slanderous opinions etc.? If not then Spotify may not have a right to terminate his contract based on the content of his podcasts.
You're down the rabbit hole
Yes, I like it down here.
It's fine to talk about a musician withdrawing from a platform due to disagreements with other programing and views on the platform. And it's nice for Neil to have the personal satisfaction to publicly separate himself making a point to not associate himself with companies, people or views that contradict his. I kind of wonder why he wouldn't do a total review of everyone who has the rights to play his music and define the positions of those companies and all the content those companies promote, but I digress.
Isn't the point really to have an impact though? If Neil leaves and nobody else does, the impact is minimal to zero. If other artists would be similarly inclined to withdraw from Spotify, when and where does the tipping point lie? What artist or artists would be so intolerable for Spotify to lose that then, they would rather "fire" Rogan?
If Neil just doesn't want to be on Spotify because they have Joe Rogan, than mission accomplished. If the point is to actually minimize and limit Rogan and his "damaging" views (and influence on people that Neil thinks are too young (24) or gullible to not make their own educated decisions) then more would need done.
Other artist weighing in.
https://ultimateclassicrock.com/musicians-react-neil-young-spotify/
Everyone has a plan, till you get punched in the face,
