Gregg had Win, Loose or Draw in 1974. I figured he wrote that in 1975 out at Cher's house. As you know Gregg wasn't interested in being in the ABB by late 1974. At least he wasn't interested enough to help them with the new album Phil Walden desperately wanted from the ABB to follow up the biggest selling album in Capricorn history,  Brothers and Sisters. Johnny Sandlin has to take the tapes to LA to get Gregg on most of the cuts. And Gregg doesn't appear on 3 tracks and Butch and Jaimoe don't play drums on 2 tracks and I think there is another track Jaimoe isn't on.

I enjoyed this recording Porkchopbob.   Listened twice (last night and this morning). Gregg has Midnight Rider arranged similar to the Laid Back version which was a hit single in 1973 and was number 13 or so. 

Gregg is a fine guitarist in this setting.  

It was as a one man show in LA around January 1975 when he opened for Etta James two nights that he got a date with Cher. Chank noticed Cher in the audience and pointed her out to Gregg and Gregg wrote her a note for Chank to deliver.

If you recall, because of the huge success of Brothers and Sisters and Laid Back and Cher being a superstar,  Gregg and Cher became tabloid gossip and for much of 1975 their pictures were on the cover of most magazines in the grocery store check out line and drug store newsstands. 

Gregg said after the Brothers became so big because of Brothers and Sisters, he thought all the photographers was a bit much but it was just the tip of the iceberg compared to what happened when he got involved with Cher. Photographers were snapping pictures of you in the men's room, washing your car, everytime you ate at a restaurant a dozen would be taking pictures.  Of course Gregg didn't like it.

Also at the 4 1975 Allman Brothers shows I saw, they played Long Time Gone from Dickey's album except Chuck Leavell sang the first verse and they would kick off Midnight Rider the Laid Back arrangement was used at the beginning then it seque into the Idlewild South arrangement. 

Gregg would say the Brothers would make changes to several of his songs when working them up and the versions on his solo albums are closer to how he wrote them.

Also I recently read how irritated Gregg was at Steve Alamio.  Gregg badly needed some money and sold Steve Alamio half the publishing rights to Melissa and God Rest His Soul for 100.00 dollars each. 

After the Allman Brothers formed then became successful, Gregg of course now had lots of money and didn't want to continue sharing Melissa with Steve Alamio and called Steve to buy back his half and Steve Alamio wanted $10, 000.00 dollars. 

Gregg said he eventually paid him but was so angry a man would cash in like that on something he did not help write and have a darn thing to do with. Gregg said he couldn't do that to another human being. 

I remember noticing Steve Alamio on the writing credits with Gregg when I bought Eat A Peach in February 1972. I remembered a Steve Alamio having a big hit in the early 60's with Everyday I Have To Cry Some and wondered if that was the same person who co-wrote Melissa with Gregg. Well it was and actually the man didn't write a note of it or one lyric.

The same thing exists on One Way Out with Marshall Sehorn. I've read he wrote NOTHING. He loaned someone some money. That song is usually credited to Elmore James,  Marshall Sehorn,  Sonny Boy Williamson 2. Sonny Boy was omitted on my original copy of Eat A Peach but is credited on my CD version of Eat A Peach.

Eat A Peach sold over 1 million copies. You are talking about decent money for just a portion of the rights to a song on Peach.

@robertdee I think I'm right is stating

• Louisiana Lou and Three Card Monty John and Sweet Mama had Johnny Sandlin and Bill Stewart on drums
• Just Another Love Song had only Butch on drums
• Nevertheless, Win, Lose or Draw and High Falls with Jaimoe and Butch but I think Gregg's vocals on Nevertheless and WLD were added later 

Yes CrossEyedCat. I got the scoop about all the difficulties with Win, Loose or Draw from a Capricorn promotions man. After the success of Eat A Peach, Laid Back, AFE and the huge success of Brothers and Sisters (over 4 million copies and number one for 5 weeks) Phil Walden turned Capricorn into a major lable. They hired lots of people in promotions and other departments and signed other acts and Phil Walden had to wait on Gregg and Dickey to satisfy their passion to do their solo projects and Phil was anxious to get the Brothers in and follow up Brothers and Sisters but it was like pulling teeth. Chuck, Lamar and Jaimoe were the ones who were really interested and Gregg had little to no interest. That lineup had a great tour from July to December 1973 and all were very happy with the way the band played in the wake of loosing Duane and Berry and were surprised (Gregg said caught off guard) at how successful and famous they became as the tour rolled along due to Ramblin' Man and Brothers and Sisters selling at such high numbers beginning in August.

As far as I know Gregg was with them in Macon for Can't Loose What You Never Had and High Falls which turned out good but after that, no Gregg and the sessions went down hill. 

Just Another Love Song is Butch only ( but most of their albums have a track or two that is Butch only....And Reach For The Sky has Jaimoe on just three tracks supposedly due to back problems) and Bill Stewart and Johnny Sandlin play the drums on Three Card and Sweet Mama. Johnny Sandlin plays bass on Just Another Love Song and Johnny had to take the tapes to LA to finish the album because that was the only way Gregg would do it. I think Gregg doesn't appear on Just Another Love Song, Two Card and Sweet Mama. 

So the album expectantly is uneven and some what jaded and didn't come close to selling as well as Brothers and Sisters.  About 800,000 copies. 

As a matter of fact with the exception of a greatest hits release in 1991, the ABB never again sold more than a million copies. They reached super group status but unlike bands such as The Rolling Stones,  Eagles,  Van Halen, Pink Floyd etc, super group status didn't last long. Ironically in the 1980's Gregg and Dickey were back playing small theaters and clubs. 

They got it going live again especially on the east coast of America in the 1990's but not so with album sales. The only one to sell over 500,000 copies and go gold was Where It All Begins in 1994. 

Heck after 2004 they never had another new album. No studio album after 2003 and they broke up (retired the band) in 2014.

Yes, The Road Goes On Forever, the two LP comp that also came out in 1975, sold almost as many copies as Win Lose or Draw - but the two LP live comp from the next year, WTWCTODGas, sold poorly

but then came the return to glory w/ERogues, their most popular since B&S 

but yes, Gregg was low key instrumentally in the 1973-76 band, he’s on the intro & outro & that’s about it on LLTCMJohn 

Stephen the Capricorn promotions man in 1975 said that from what he heard Chuck Leavell played those organ parts on Three Card. But I've always though it sounds like the way Gregg played.  Gregg probably added the organ to Louisiana Lou Three Card Monty John ( Dickey's followup to Ramblin' Man) in Los Angeles.  Thankfully the Allman Brothers never went through another recording session like Win, Loose or Draw. 

Yes Enlighten Rogues sold better than Win, Loose and Draw but it was short of a million copies. It earned a gold record for sales above 500,000 copies. 

WTWCTODG is considered one of the bands "new" albums and its second live album but they had broken up by then refusing to work with Gregg. Butch was quoted in the press "You can't count on Gregg Allman for anything". They had talked about a live album for the Chuck/Lamar lineup as it's a different Allman Brothers than the originial lineup with new material, a different take on the old stuff, a jazzy lineup with a different bass player,  two keyboards and just one guitar ( except when Gregg played electric guitar on Wasted Words and Must Have Done Somebody Wrong. 

Johnny Sandlin had a truck at Winterland in 1973 for a later broadcast on New Years Eve and select shows in 1975 but nothing was decided by the band and suddenly the ABB broke up. 

Phil Walden wanted that album so Johnny was told to put one together with what he had and somehow Johnny got fired during the process and Sam Whiteside finished the album. Much of it comes from the Winterland in 1973 and as said earlier, the band was playing in top form live in 1973. 

But as you indicated, it sold poorly. About 200,000 copies. 

Chuck lobbied for Elizabeth Reed to be included which was a real jazz version and he was proud of how the band sounds especially Lamar, Jaimoe and himself. 

For anyone who hasn't heard that version and want to take a peek.

That's always been one of my favorite versions of IMOER. Chuck is the man.

I find myself listening to Wipe the Windows quite often. I’ve always found this version of the band unique and this album has the best versions of ABB songs played by this line up. I have the remastered CD version which really cleaned up the mix and brings the drummers forward. Their playing is fantastic. 

Never thought too much of it personally, struck me as more of a greatest hits live compilation w/no continuity to speak of

But then, when 5/1 and 12/31 of 1973 came along.... - the 5/1/73 Mtn Jam is so unique & cool, & as the liner notes said, Lamar is really the MVP of this Stellar show - & the jamming on the NYE Cow Palace show too, REAL nice, esp Les Brers 

but yes, the Liz Reed off WTW is a long time fave I’ve had on tape for eons - the shorter songs from these other shows are about the same as WTW - it’s all good - 🙃HNY😁

thanks for sharing that acoustic gig PCBob, real nice😎

This Whipping Post isn't on WTWCTODG but is from the same Winterland concert several tracks on the album are from.

Gregg's singing and solo is first rate and Chuck's solo is outstanding.  Dickey does a beautiful lullaby passage in his solo. Lamar is excellent as are Butch and Jaimoe. 

Worth a listen if you haven't heard it.