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steved
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  • Merch Mountain emailed me today that my copy of Down in Texas is shipping. Looking forward to it.

 
Posted : March 22, 2021 8:52 pm
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Mine should be here tomorrow


 
Posted : March 22, 2021 10:39 pm
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According to FedEx, my copy is arriving here in the UK on Thursday ... unbelievably quick delivery ... I guess when the CD is just $15 and the postage is $30 it ought to be ... but I have to say I am looking forward to receiving it and am very grateful for the quick delivery ... well done guys!

 


 
Posted : March 23, 2021 7:06 pm
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anyone get it yet? sound quality?


 
Posted : March 25, 2021 8:23 pm
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My early review from another forum. BTW it is a SB tape, 2 track I believe

So I got to listen to the CD up to and including "You Don't Love Me" on my Jeep Grand Cherokee Harmon Kardon sound system while running errands this afternoon and have the following thoughts now that I got to do a deeper listen.

I have over 500+ live bootlegs including a number of SB recordings similar to this one and I stand by my earlier impression that this is excellent bootleg quality recording and very similar to the earlier Duane era archive releases.

Why do I say this?

  • The tape has occasional cuts, dropouts and tape drags. Not too distracting but similar to a bootleg.
  • The instrument balance shifts between channels in songs.
  • The instrument levels are not balanced. This is definitely a guitar lovers tape as Duane and Dickey are high in the mix along with Greggs vocals. The keyboards and Berry's bass are slightly back and the drums get buried in many of the songs.

As far as Juicy's sax is concerned, you don't hear it often but when you do it sounds very much out of place and out of tune. It really sticks out like a sore thumb on "You Don't Love Me" but again it is so brief I did not find it distracting.

That being said this is an excellent sounding SB tape IMHO. Very clear and is a typical good performance by the band.

If you liked the earlier 3 Duane era archive releases, and don't mind the tape warts, you should like this one.

 


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Posted : March 25, 2021 9:26 pm
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Well Bill with all due respect to the late Juicy Carter, Tom Dowd also said Juicy was out of tune at the Fillmore East. Tom rushed from the recording truck to the stage after a set and told Duane Allman the horns had to go. 

I saw the band about May of 1971 at a College and Juicy Carter was there. But I can't recall if I had a negative impression of him. In the 1990s I had an opportunity to speak to Jaimoe and I told him that I remember seeing Juicy with the band a few times during the summer of 1971 and Jaimoe was pleased. He smiled and said he and Juicy were tight. 

Also remember reading Warren Haynes mentioned Juicy to Jaimoe in a negative way about his horn and Jaimoe got irritated at Warren. 

Apparently Juicy just wasn't a good fit with the ABB. 

Thank you for the review. The original lineup to me is the high water mark for the ABB. That is fantastic you have so many shows on tape. 


 
Posted : March 26, 2021 9:55 am
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Well Bill with all due respect to the late Juicy Carter, Tom Dowd also said Juicy was out of tune at the Fillmore East. Tom rushed from the recording truck to the stage after a set and told Duane Allman the horns had to go. 

I saw the band about May of 1971 at a College and Juicy Carter was there. But I can't recall if I had a negative impression of him. In the 1990s I had an opportunity to speak to Jaimoe and I told him that I remember seeing Juicy with the band a few times during the summer of 1971 and Jaimoe was pleased. He smiled and said he and Juicy were tight. 

Also remember reading Warren Haynes mentioned Juicy to Jaimoe in a negative way about his horn and Jaimoe got irritated at Warren. 

Apparently Juicy just wasn't a good fit with the ABB. 

Thank you for the review. The original lineup to me is the high water mark for the ABB. That is fantastic you have so many shows on tape. 

Thanks rd, I have to agree with Tom Dowd in that Juicy's sax was out of place on shows I have heard but I actually did not mind him on some of the tracks on the Fillmore East concerts as he was playing along with the band and it was interesting to me to hear the songs with a different flavour.

I thought Bill Levenson did an excellent job on the deluxe Fillmore Concerts box set picking his spots to allow Juicy's sax to be heard and when to fade him into the background when he went off on a tangent.

For the 71 Texas show they apparently were working off of 2 track SB tapes instead of multitracks so I am guessing there was no way for them to fade Juicy into the background. I found his sax playing to be totally out there and out of tune with the music. It was almost like he was not even listening to the rest of the band when he was blowing. Luckily his sax is only heard for several seconds at time so it does not step on the rest of the band too much IMHO.

As for the number of boots I have I have been collecting live concert silver disc bootlegs for 35+ years ever since the first ones appeared on the market in the mid 80's and the 71 Texas release is an excellent bootleg quality tape warts and all IMHO.


 
Posted : March 26, 2021 10:58 am
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not as  bad as Last Note but barely listenable to me...thanks for the efforts, will stick to my Fillmore East.


 
Posted : March 28, 2021 9:25 am
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Juicy just always sounds out of place to me. Jaimoe got pretty irritated when I said that to him. I've always found him to be a truth teller in virtually any circumstance: the go to guy for real deal info. But Juicy was his buddy and he loves him.


 
Posted : March 28, 2021 5:31 pm
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I agree that it is better Juicy is low in the mix for the most part. Overall I enjoyed the show. Anything new of the original 6 is exciting. Honestly was underwhelmed by the interview portion though. 


 
Posted : March 29, 2021 8:21 am
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I went through a period where having Duane historical sonic history was important.  And playing for that one solo, that one coda, that one interplay that stood out was the point.  But there are a couple things that kept coming back:  Nothing had the sonic quality of Dowds multi track Fillmore.  The band was a tighter and better band in 71 than 70.  Fillmore was a stars aligned, rally for the moment, perfect storm, never equaled bit of perfection.  The 2 track reel to reel soundboards can never be made into multi track.  Cassette stuff will always be low freq cassette sound.  Remix can only do so much and not restore low vocals very well, remix instruments very well, or give it multi track analog depth.  So this stuff is great, but.......................


 
Posted : March 29, 2021 9:34 am
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@bird72 Also with Fillmore East they recorded several shows and selected the best ones. They use to say In Memory of Elizabeth Reed was from TWO different shows. Tom Dowd liked Dickey's solo best from a different show from the one he liked Duane's solo best so after Dickey's solo Dowd spliced to a Liz Reed from a different show at the March Fillmore shows to get the solo from Duane he liked best. 

But in recent years I think Tom Dowd discovered when he was remixing for an expanded release that the two tapes were the same specific performance. 

The original band took chances and would create on the fly live. Duane said they had an outline of the songs and when a man starts a solo he plays what and how long he wants to. And if he goes way off the beaten path we go with him. That is when the real magic happens most nights but sometimes it doesn't sound that good so we have to find a way to get out of trouble. But the soloist has the spotlight until he plays certain notes that cue us he is finishing and it's on to the next part of the song. I still remember Duane saying that in an interview. So he admitted there were times when they got off the tracks too far but found their way back. Butch Trucks was often the one who found a way out of a mess. He gets them back on One Way Out on Eat A Peach and Mountain Jam on Eat A Peach after the drum and bass solos when Berry counts them off to go back to the full band they are all over the road until Butch shows them the way. I think he has to twice before everyone is back. 


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Posted : March 29, 2021 12:45 pm
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Actually, it is "You Don't Love Me" on Fillmore East that is a composite of 2 shows.


 
Posted : March 29, 2021 3:48 pm
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I listened to both Down in Texas and the Final Note for the first time yesterday in the shop.  I liked both.  Final Note sounded better than I expected, but I've been listening to bootlegs of various quality for decades.  Will be playing both again throughout the week.  It's kinda putting me back in the mood to binge more of the original lineup.


 
Posted : April 4, 2021 10:04 am
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@nebish I have both now too and they are real good considering the audio quality. If only we had all those old shows with Fillmore East fidelity.

I'm 74 and got my first charismatic brain injection of the live Allman Brothers in early 1970. So for me it takes me back to my youth and how it felt to be bitten by the ABB bug. 

With all due respect to the later lineups of which some were real good, these recordings are of the real Allman Brothers sound. When you change a player the sound is altered just a bit. 

And if Duane and Berry had lived everything, the albums and shows, would be different beyond Stanback, Blue Sky and Little Martha on Eat A Peach. Even the name Eat A Peach may not had been the name of their 4th album if Duane had lived.  And likely Chuck, Lamar, the Tolers, Warren, Allen, Derek, Otiel etc would have never been in the band. 

Would they have stayed together until the ABB quit in 2014? Who knows. And because of aging and perhaps years of drugs and drinking they wouldn't have been as good as the last lineup.  I want to believe they would have been better. A 70 year old Duane Allman would have been the master of masters. Or would he have declined with nothing new. I want to believe he would be like Clapton is now. Famous and admired the world over and he and the band would sell out any venue quickly just like Clapton. 

It's like It's A Wonderful Life! If George Bailey had killed himself as he was shown by the angel, life would had been different for many people.

But in our ABB world Duane and Berry did die. And it changed what DID happen between then and now by dozens of ways.  I can only guess what those ways were such as Queen of Hearts would have been on Brothers and Sisters ( if that is what they called it). We do know how it turned out with no Duane and Berry. Wish they were still here but the way it did turn out meant a lot of fantastic music and times enjoyed. I have a hunch if they had lived, ABB world would have been even better!!


 
Posted : April 4, 2021 10:48 am
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