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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 02:55 PM
DfC assured me he'd be by to discuss the topic so I'm starting a thread to make it easier to find.

For anyone who doesn't know much about the subject, Noetics, short version, is about the collective power of thought.

He's on deadline right now but assured me he'd be back to discuss it with me.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 03:06 PM
sounds very Jungian...

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 03:06 PM
Yes I will.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 03:12 PM
is that there some kind of Noetic critter?

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 03:51 PM
Here is some information from a review of Dan Brown's new book to get started for those who don't know what noetics encompasses:

Cassandra VietenAuthor of Mindful Motherhood, Director of Research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences
Posted: September 21, 2009 03:02 PM

What Is Noetic Science?

Dr. Katherine Solomon specializes in noetic science, with its focus on mind-body connections. She admits that her field is not widely known. But when her story comes out, she suggests, noetics could get the kind of public relations bump that Mr. Brown gave to the Holy Grail.

In fact, with Katherine as the female protagonist, the noetic sciences figure prominently in the book.

When I introduce myself as director of research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences, also mentioned several times in the book, the invariable response is "That's great...um, what are noetic sciences?" Here are a few definitions:

no•et•ic: From the Greek no&#275;sis/ no&#275;tikos, meaning inner wisdom, direct knowing, or subjective understanding. As defined by the philosopher William James in 1902, noetic refers to "states of insight into depths of truth unplumbed by the discursive intellect. They are illuminations, revelations, full of significance and importance, all inarticulate though they remain; and as a rule they carry with them a curious sense of authority..."

sci•ence: Systems of acquiring knowledge that use observation, experimentation, and replication to describe and explain natural phenomena

no•et•ic sci•ences: A multidisciplinary field that brings objective scientific tools and techniques together with subjective inner knowing to study the full range of human experience.

In other words, there are several ways we can know the world around us. Science focuses on external observation and is grounded in objective evaluation, measurement, and experimentation. This is useful in increasing objectivity and reducing bias and inaccuracy as we interpret what we observe.

But another way of knowing is subjective -- or internal -- including gut feelings, intuition, hunches -- the way you know you love your children, for example, or experiences you have that cannot be explained or proven, but feel absolutely real nonetheless. This way of knowing is what we call noetic.

From a purely materialist, mechanistic perspective, all subjective -- noetic -- experience arises from physical matter, and consciousness is simply a byproduct of brain and body processes. The noetic sciences focus on bringing a scientific lens to the study of subjective experience, and to ways that consciousness may influence the physical world.

Consciousness has been defined in many ways, but in this context, consciousness is awareness -- how people perceive, interpret, and direct their attention and intention toward their environment. Collective consciousness is how a group (an institution, a society, a species) perceives, attends to, and makes meaning of the world. In its largest, most universal sense, consciousness has been referred to as a "milieu of potential," the shared ground of being from which all experiences and phenomena arise and eventually return.

The essential hypothesis underlying the noetic sciences is, put simply, that consciousness matters. The question is when, how, and why does it matter?........

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 03:53 PM
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Here is some information from a review of Dan Brown's new book to get started for those who don't know what noetics encompasses...


Thanks Ann, but I'll just wait for DFC's comments...

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 06:01 PM
bigann, have you seen "What the Bleep Do We Know?"

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 06:12 PM
Since we're waiting for the other half of this discussion, I'll go ahead and start.

Renee Descartes said 'I think, therefore I am' and one intrepretation is that the act of thought creates the reality of the person. Another consideration would be a realization that thought creates not only the reality of the person's existence, but that what we thinks creates our reality.

If we think negatively of ourselves, we're creating a negative energy by our thoughts that can effect our health directly. If we think positive of ourselves, we create a healthy reality. In this context it could be explained that the way I think defines the person I am.

Another illustration of negative energies is the spoken word. The old adage, sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me is wrong. Physical injuries can heal, but the power of the spoken word can cause wounds that last a lifetime.

Studies with plants and on water have illustrated how negative energies created by hateful, hurtful words can cause the frozen crystals of water subjected to the negativity to appear damaged and broken under a microscope and how such words can stunt the growth of plants. Children who are subjected to constant verbal abuse are harmed beyond measure. And this is just the beginning of the power of energy we are capable of creating.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 06:22 PM
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bigann, have you seen "What the Bleep Do We Know?"


I know about the bleep story and thought it was great, they were trying to do a movie about the topic and then things started happening while they were filming so it was they who learned the lesson that thoughts create events which occur. We cause our own realities.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 06:27 PM
What we see around us is an illusion we create with our own individual thoughts and the collective thoughts of the whole planet. Each of us is able to create the reality we desire, beginning with our thoughts, and then our spoken words, and then the actions we take. That much I understand and have seen in practice throughout my own life. I know for a fact that what we think has a direct impact on what we experience, and not just in the sense that i think I'm going to go for a walk, so I do. It is much more than that, and I've seen it with my own eyes. The more you focus on it, the more it happens. I've learned over the years to pay close attention to my little voice. It never fails me, and the more I trust it, the more help it is. I guess that is called developing your intuitive powers. And it seems like noetics is the scientific study of intuitive powers, and using thoughts to create reality. Is that accurate? It sounds pretty cool.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 06:51 PM
First, no, I didn't ever have the chance to see that movie. I never could find it anywhere but I wanted to.

As for an understanding of noetics, you're pretty much on target. Now, since you've got that one under control... ...let's move on to some more....manifestation and altering matter by thought.

Manifestation is making something happen by focusing on it.....much as you were addressing, Allen. Johnny always expects a parking space in front of where ever we go and no matter how crowded the place, there is always a space for him to park near the door. That's a simple illustration of 'manifestation.' Taking it to a higher level, you can also manifest good health and healing by thought.

This leads into altering matter by collective thought. Spoon bending is a simple form of creating energies that will alter the molecules of the spoon and cause it to bend. A more advanced, and for a long time, inexplicable to me, example of collective thought changing altering matter is something that happened when Johnny, Bill Stewart and I were returning from Lafayette.

Johnny entered an intersection on a green light and as we were driving through the light, to our left a speeding car came out of nowhere to our left on a certain collision course. There was absolutely no way that car wasn't going to hit us and yet, it didn't. First it was a few feet from the driver's door and then it was on my right, speeding down the street away from us. The only explaination I've found that come close to what happened is that the three of us collectively willed the car out of our path. I don't for a moment discount universal intervention, but for whatever reason, I believe our collective thoughts altered the situation.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 08:13 PM
Anyone seen DfC? I'm waiting for him to come on so we can start the thread in ernest.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 09:45 PM
I've got a gut feeling this thread will become contentious.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2009 at 09:49 PM
While we're waiting, let's take this a little further. Knowing that we have the power to harness our own and collective energies, understanding our own energy allows each of us to connect with others beneficially. Group prayer being a prime example.

We all are surrounded by energy known as auras and they're part of the body's chakra system which is the way the outside energies interact with us. . Male chakras and female chakras rotate in opposite directions so when we stand male to female, they rotate together. ( Just a little piece of trivia thrown in there.)

When you're holding a child, when you give someone a hug, you're exchanging energies with the other person. When a child is sick, you hold him or her and when someone is in distress, hugging is a natural response. It's how we unconsciously offer healing energy to the other person. This healing ability can be enhanced and developed to help other people. More on that later.

If you've ever been around a person who seems to exhaust you just by being in their company, you may have encountered what's called a psychic vampire. These are people who are unable to sustain their own energy levels because of negativism, so they tend to drain the physical energies of those they encounter. There are ways to protect yourselves from them.

In short, knowing how to work and interact with the energy around us can be beneficial to us and others.

And all of this ties in with everything surrounding us and understanding how to access this external energy of nature is part of developing our ability to heal ourselves and others.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 12:59 AM
Still waiting......

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 10:19 AM
Google might be down. And also, remember, he said he had a deadline to meet. You might be waiting a long, long time.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 11:39 AM
negative energy creates more negative energy. positive energy creates more positive energy. being able to control that flow is the challenge. blending with negative energy allows you to control the flow. meeting negative with negative is counterproductive. pretty simple idea but difficult in practice.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 11:53 AM
if you are attacked verbally or physically, our first reaction is to attack back. effective if you have more energy or are stronger but one is left injured and energy is wasted.

a better way would be to blend with the attack and then lead. positive outcome on both sides. doing this means changing the way you normally interact. this requires self awareness and the abilty to let go of your ego.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 12:05 PM
I guess since the other half of this discussion hasn't shown up....as said, Googld is probably down....I'll move on to our physical bodies and the energis around us.

Everything around us and within us is vibration. The density of something is determined by the rate of vibration. The slower the vibration, the more solid the object appears. Everything in our bodies vibrate to different frequencies that correspond to everything around us and often to bring our body back into harmony we align ourselves with things in nature that cause a sympathetic vibration, pulling us back into alignment.

For instance, every tree has its own vibratory frequency......tree hugging actually has benefit on occasion :-) But a more common application is aromatherapy using essential oils. Those oils are derived from the individual plants and each carries a specific vibration that corresponds to something inside of our bodies. When we apply the oils directly or smell the oils we're tuning ourselves to that frequency.

Another common application is sound and color. It all ties together. Each note has it's own vibration and each one corresponds to a color. Studies have been done that shows what colors correspond to which note. Sound therapy and color thearpy are applications of this principle. Also, each crystal corresponds to a color and note....as does each essential oil....and all combine to maintain our bodies internal frequencies and vibrations.

Illness begins when our body's vibrations are lowered and understanding the application of the various energies I mentioned can help maintain a healthy vibration that won't permit germs, etc to find a foothold iin our bodies.

This is just the short version....there's more in how to do simple applications with that which is around us.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 12:52 PM
so what we have is something that encompasses just about everything. from the way we interact with each other and our environment to our physical and mental well being. this can be applied to religions, music and physics. interesting.

what better place to talk about harmony.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 01:42 PM
Yes, you've got the right idea. Once we have an understanding of the energy around us and within us, we can use it to make positive changes in ourselves and for the greater good.

Here's a quick way to use the sun and color. Take a colored bottle....usually a dark green wine bottle is a good one to start with. Green vibrates to the heart chakra and will produce a mild solar water. Fill the bottle with distilled water, put the cap on and set it outside in the sun. In the winter, it takes longer because the sun isn't as strong, but in the summer it takes two to three hours. Bring the water in and drink a glass or two through out the day to get the most benefit.

Different colored bottles produce different 'flavored' water. The violet, blue, turquoise and pink bottles are more for consuming in the evening as they're very 'restful' waters. The orange, yellow and red bottles produce a more 'energetic' waters best for drinking in the morning and early afternoon.

If you don't have colored bottles, you can purchase colored celophane that will also work....just wrap it aound a clear bottle and secure it with a rubber band. When I started drinking the solar waters I was amazed at the difference, although slight, in taste and effect.

I'm basically a skeptic believer so if it doesn't work for me, I don't use the techniques on other people. With solar water, you get the benefit of the sun and the vibrations of the colors. This is something simple and easy to try.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:15 PM
bigann, not only do trees vibrate at a certain frequency, but every object on the planet does, too. Back in the early 90s I worked in a Lever Brothers plant in Cartersville, Ga for 3 years. I worked for a contractor, and we helped implement a system where we took vibrational readings on the equipment. When a piece of machinery, whether small or very large, is installed properly, and all the components are new and working properly, you can do baseline readings on various places around the machine and build a database. You put one end of an instrument on a bearing housing for instance, and see that it is vibrating at a particular frequency, which you record. You take readings all over the machine. When you start having trouble, or hearing weird noises, you can take readings and find where the frequency is changing, telling you something is up there. Taking monthly readings, and charting them, lets you see how readings change as bearing wear, for instance, and what range the frequency is in when they need to be replaced.

Naturally, we wanted to see what readings you would get by putting the probe on a rock, or the sidewalk, or as you said, a tree. Everything vibrates at its own frequency. Even us. That was nearly 20 years ago, so I can imagine how that field has evolved. As my spiritual journey led me out of the church and into more non-traditional studies, it was easy for me to believe that we all have a frequency that changes as we learn and grow, and that certain parts of the country have a frequency that might be much more attuned to our own than other places. We've all been to places that just feel wonderful to us, and other places we hate to even walk outside. When I came to Santa Cruz, I couldn't believe how much by energy level went up, and my appetite went down. There is definitely an energy here that fits me.

The planet as a whole vibrates at a certain frequency, which also goes up as we, as a people, learn to love each other more and hate and hurt each other less.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:20 PM
Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:28 PM
Thank you for sharing that Allen. It makes me seem less, well, strange. You're right....we all vibrate at various frequencies in our lives and as we raise our level of awareness, we raise our level of vibrations. Noetics, back to that again, is the study of how we can collectively use those vibrations to effect the world as a whole.

Billy Bob Thornton can't stand to be around antique furniture. When we realize that we leave an imprint of our vibrations...good and bad...on objects in our lives, it's understandable how a 'sensitive' can pick up the energies like Billy Bob can.

I know we've all been places or touched things that made us kind of cringe for no apparent reason, just as we find locations, such as Allen mentioned, that are more in tune with our vibratory levels and makes us feel good.

The secret is to surround ourselves with things that make us feel good, even if you don't understand why, and to clean out those things that have served their purpose and have become 'clutter.'

It's interesting to see how many people here are on similar paths.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2009 at 02:37 PM
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Fletch Halsey won't be here until enough of us have posted for him to swoop in like Fletch Dynomite and tell us all how psuedo-illuminati we all are, brain dead, and fawning at the feet of a Goddess, so eat up with faux enlightenment, we can't even recognize the hippist cat who ever strutted around the mean streets of the Cincy.

Sorry to break the vibe, but that's what I expect he'll do, if he is true to form. He doesn't know how to discuss anything with anyone in a respectful manner. To expect otherwise is fruitless.



Proof that it works. You just had to bring attention to yourself, eh, JCPTC?? I knew you would expose yourself without me saying a word. It is kind of like the music of Philip Glass in a way, where the brains of those on the other end of it are left to fill in the spaces with their own perceptions and vanities. All of the words in the post above show up without me saying a word? And I knew it would come, using the force of the empty space.


Still flushed with work, brain used to capacity, Ann, it is still coming.

 

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