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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 03:25 AM
can anyone name some of the bands the dead influenced? i mean bigger bands. of course phish and the allman brothers would be on that list
 
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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 05:19 AM
Phish and the Allmans come to mind

Widespread Panic
Santana
String Cheese Incident

Here are some artists that in interviews, mentioned some positives about hearing or seeing the Dead:
Paul McCartney
Elvis Costello (saw them at the Bickershaw Festival in '72)
The Clash (especially Joe Strummer, who was at Bickershaw also I believe)
The Police (Sting)
Crosby Stills Nash & Young

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 05:24 AM
Only a Grateful Dead fan would think the ABB was "Influenced" by the Grateful Dead. "Respect"? yes...

" influenced?"..not Imho.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 06:00 AM
Phish no question about it. Duane loved Garcia but the Brothers were one of a kind and did their own thing.

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 06:22 AM
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Only a Grateful Dead fan would think the ABB was "Influenced" by the Grateful Dead. "Respect"? yes...

" influenced?"..not Imho.


agreed.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 06:32 AM
They influenced each other. That's a fact.
 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 07:02 AM
From an interview w/ Dickey.

You and Jerry must’ve had quite an influence on each other.

You know he would kind of laugh at me... Even though we were just about the same age, they got started playing about eight years before we did. So, hell, I was studying those guys - what they were doin’ - before I ever made a record. So even though we were the same age, I was kinda of tippin’ my hat to Jerry all the time and he’d get a kick out of that. [He’d say,] “You know, you guys caught up.”

I'm pretty sure that the GD influenced or were studied by Dickey and Berry. Not too sure about Duane and Gregg, but I do know how much Duane liked Jerrys' playing from another interview.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 07:30 AM
The String Cheese Incident
Railroad Earth

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 07:43 AM
Doesn't Dickey have a background in Bluegrass music? Garcia was very influenced by bluegrass. I believe he was a bluegrass mandolin player (mandolinist?).
 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 08:02 AM
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Doesn't Dickey have a background in Bluegrass music? Garcia was very influenced by bluegrass. I believe he was a bluegrass mandolin player (mandolinist?).
Jerry played Banjo in his bluegrass days

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 08:16 AM
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From an interview w/ Dickey.

You and Jerry must’ve had quite an influence on each other.

You know he would kind of laugh at me... Even though we were just about the same age, they got started playing about eight years before we did. So, hell, I was studying those guys - what they were doin’ - before I ever made a record. So even though we were the same age, I was kinda of tippin’ my hat to Jerry all the time and he’d get a kick out of that. [He’d say,] “You know, you guys caught up.”

I'm pretty sure that the GD influenced or were studied by Dickey and Berry. Not too sure about Duane and Gregg, but I do know how much Duane liked Jerrys' playing from another interview.




I'm pretty sure there is an interview with Dickey floating around, where he said he would
consciously try not to sound like Jerry at times while playing.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 08:35 AM
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They influenced each other. That's a fact.


Now,this statement,I can go along with....

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 08:49 AM
Would it be fair to say that the Grateful Dead influenced the First Set/Intermission/Second Set/Encore model for shows along with rotating setlists? If I'm wrong, or someone else was doing it earlier or longer, I can't recall. For quite a while, it seemed like the GD were the only music act that had a different setlist every night...?

I may be quite wrong...

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 09:07 AM
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From an interview w/ Dickey.

You and Jerry must’ve had quite an influence on each other.

You know he would kind of laugh at me... Even though we were just about the same age, they got started playing about eight years before we did. So, hell, I was studying those guys - what they were doin’ - before I ever made a record. So even though we were the same age, I was kinda of tippin’ my hat to Jerry all the time and he’d get a kick out of that. [He’d say,] “You know, you guys caught up.”
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I thinking Dickey was having a little fun with the reporter. Regarding his comment "they got started playing about eight years before we did" , well that would mean since Allmans got together in March, 1969 then the Dead/Warlocks must got together about 1961? Don't think so, back then Jerry was playing banjo, and hanging our with Peter Rowan and going to bluegrass festivals and trying to figure out to become one of Bill Monroe's Bluegrass Boys.

Truth is, the two bands that had the more direct influence on the Allman Brothers Band were The Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Cream, add some John Coltrane and Miles Davis into the mix and it's easy to see where the Allmans came from. Now where the Allman's aware of the Dead? Sure they were, but I don't think the Dead were all that much an influence, probably were more considered "fellow travelers".

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 09:13 AM
I think you see a little influence on the current line up from Warren's days in P+F, cyling back to the beginning of the set.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 09:35 AM
I think I'll take Dickey at his word. That is not the only interview where he mentions Jerry and the Grateful Dead. I know I've read it or heard somewhere else from Dickey. Maybe the interview that he gives on the RnR Hall of Fame dvd w/ Great Southern.???? Why would he lie about studying or being influenced by the GD? What difference does it make anyway? They were influenced and studied a lot of people that got started before they did. I've alway's thought it was funny that some ABB fan's get so bent out of shape when someone mentions the GD in the same sentence as the ABB. Dickey and Duane certainly liked them.

Let's see.......they often went into St. Stephen when Dickey and Warren played together. They go into the Other One quite often now and they also play Franklins Tower. Naaaaaaa, they weren't influenced by the GD.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 09:48 AM
who had the two drummers thing first? I'm guessing that the Dead had Kreutzmann then added Hart (then i think hart took a temp. hiatus after his father stole money from the band)

Garcia was a bluegrass player first...mother mcrees uptown jug band. He and Pigpen(keyboards) formed the Warlocks around mid 60's and that band was primarily a blues band due to pigpen's influence. then became the acid house band for the tests. I believe the Grateful Dead have done 2 sets and varied the setlists since at least the early 70's, so I think that the Dead probably influenced the ABB to change up the nightly setlist.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 10:18 AM
Hmmm...Peter Green era Fleetwood Mac...not sure if that was Grateful Dead influence or Ken Kesey influence, but almost the same.
 
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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 10:44 AM
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Doesn't Dickey have a background in Bluegrass music? Garcia was very influenced by bluegrass. I believe he was a bluegrass mandolin player (mandolinist?).
Jerry played Banjo in his bluegrass days



Duh...Banjo...that's right. I've heard a lot of bluegrass mandolin where you could transpose it to the guitar, put it in a Dead song and it would sound like a Garcia solo.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 10:57 AM
Also the Dead inspired the open taping policy, where you can bring recording equipment onto the venue without hassle from security. If it weren't for the Dead, you probably wouldnt be able to tape shows of the ABB and other bands.

Also the Instant Live and archival releases was inspired by the Grateful Dead vault releases.

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 11:22 AM
Edie Brickell & The New Bohemians (at least the guitar player)

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 11:28 AM
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Bingo!

The Dead had two drummers before 69 I believe.

 

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Bingo!

The Dead had two drummers before 69 I believe.


Yup. I think Mickey joined in 67

 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 11:52 AM
Duane was a very big Dead fan. The 2 drummers did not come from James Brown as one book said. Garcia quoted "First there is a Mountain" in the jam on side 2 of "Anthem Of THe Sun", 1968. That's where Duane got the idea for Mt. Jam.
 

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  posted on 5/18/2009 at 11:55 AM
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Duane was a very big Dead fan. The 2 drummers did not come from James Brown as one book said. Garcia quoted "First there is a Mountain" in the jam on side 2 of "Anthem Of THe Sun", 1968. That's where Duane got the idea for Mt. Jam.


I've heard or read an interview where Duane says something to the effect of "Jerry Garcia is amazing - he can do ANYTHING, man".

Recently, I let a friend borrow my copy of the Cow Palace NYE 1973 show and he told me "Dickey sounds a LOT like Jerry Garcia in some of these songs". Well done, young grasshopper - haha it IS Jerry. Great, great show. Love the Whipping Post Jam especially

 

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