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  posted on 2/2/2009 at 08:15 PM
Daschle Fights to Salvage NominationBy KEVIN FREKING, AP

(Feb. 2) - Fighting to salvage his Cabinet nomination, Tom Daschle pleaded his case Monday evening in a closed meeting with former Senate colleagues after publicly apologizing for failing to pay more than $120,000 in taxes. President Barack Obama said he was "absolutely" sticking with his nominee for health secretary, and a key senator added an important endorsement.

The White House both underscored the magnitude of the problem and tried to downplay it in the space of seven words. "Nobody's perfect," said press secretary Robert Gibbs. "It was a serious mistake. ..."

Nobody was predicting defeat for Daschle's nomination as secretary of health and human services, but it was proving an unsavory pill to swallow for senators who only last week confirmed Timothy Geithner as treasury secretary despite his separate tax-payment problems. It's an issue that strikes a nerve among lawmakers' constituents who are struggling with their own serious money problems.

On the bright side for Daschle, he got warm words of support from the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, the panel that will have the first say on his fate. Daschle has been "an invaluable and expert partner" in efforts toward health care reform, said Democrat Max Baucus of Montana an especially important endorsement since the two men have had tussles in the past over Baucus' handling of GOP tax-cut proposals, Medicare changes and other issues.

Republicans weren't so quick to get in line.
Going into the private meeting with Daschle, Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley, top Republican on the Finance panel, was asked if supported the nomination. He responded, "Ask me after the hearing a week from tomorrow," a reference to Daschle's public confirmation hearing.

 

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The folks on Capitol Hill aren't the only tax dodgers.
MOST CORPORATIONS PAY NO INCOME TAXES
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1249465620080812?sp=true

[Edited on 2/3/2009 by woodsdweller]

 

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  posted on 2/2/2009 at 09:19 PM
It sounds like those corporate situations you refer to are due to what you could either call loophole, or legal means based on how the tax system is set up. According to the article, it isn't as if they owed a net tax bill and just ignored or overlooked it, unlike some of the politicans in the news recently for their tax problems.

From your story:
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The GAO said corporations escaped paying federal income taxes for a variety of reasons including operating losses, tax credits and an ability to use transactions within the company to shift income to low tax countries.


I get that you hate corporations, but it seems like you can never acknowledge that politicians who might be part of your political party are ever in the wrong or to blame.

 

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It sounds like those corporate situations you refer to are due to what you could either call loophole, or legal means based on how the tax system is set up. According to the article, it isn't as if they owed a net tax bill and just ignored or overlooked it, unlike some of the politicans in the news recently for their tax problems.

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The GAO said corporations escaped paying federal income taxes for a variety of reasons including operating losses, tax credits and an ability to use transactions within the company to shift income to low tax countries.


I get that you hate corporations, but it seems like you can never acknowledge that politicians who might be part of your political party are ever in the wrong or to blame.
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What do you mean by "your political party"? I'm neither Republican or Democrat. I've been
a registered independent who has voted for Third party candidates for a long time.

"you never acknowledge that politicians.....are ever in the wrong or to blame"....Hmm,
last time I checked my post began with "THE FOLKS ON CAPITOL HILL aren't the only TAX DODGERS.

It's interesting how you cherry-picked that particular paragraph and took it completely OUT OF
CONTEXT of the article to present your argument.

[Edited on 2/3/2009 by woodsdweller]

 

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What do you mean by "your political party"? I'm neither Republican or Democrat. I've been a registered independent who has voted for Third party candidates for a long time.



That is fine, I'll take your word. I've formed my impression based on how much I see you defending Democrats to assume you were one.



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"you never acknowledge that politicians.....are ever in the wrong or to blame"....Hmm,
last time I checked my post began with "THE FOLKS ON CAPITOL HILL aren't the only TAX DODGERS.

As the ones who generate the most money, it seems to me the Big Corporations should paying their fair share of taxes like the rest of us. I used the article to point out how Corporations exploit legal means any way they can to avoid their tax-paying responsibility.


As you like to point out big corporate abuses, I like to point out government ones. My opinion of your position was formed by your sometimes deflecting blame away from government as the guilty party back onto corporations, such as I saw the case to be here instead of commenting on the Daschle situation you're quick to show us how bad you think corporations are even though the two stories aren't necessarily comparable.

If we were to get into who exploits tax policy to their benefit I'd bet the house that nearly every member of Congress is trying to use every trick in the book to keep more money in their own pockets - just like you think corporations are doing.

Atleast we agree the Judd Gregg nomination is a bad one.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2009 at 10:23 PM
"Only the little people pay taxes". [leona helmsley queen of mean]
 

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"Only the little people pay taxes". [leona helmsley queen of mean]


Drat....guess that makes me one of the 'little people.'

 

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  posted on 2/3/2009 at 07:38 AM
Taxes are the nannygate of the Obama administration. I say find someone who pays their taxes and nominate them. I am not a Daschle fan. Same goes for Geithner.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2009 at 08:32 AM
Let's not forget another democrat tax hero, Charlie Rangel, who is in charge of WRITING TAX LAW and conveniently forgot to pay taxes on rental property he own in the Caribbean.

Absolute power has already absolutely corrupted the new democrat administration. In just a couple weeks! Dadschle will be confirmed because the dems don't care.

[Edited on 2/3/2009 by RBK]

 

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  posted on 2/3/2009 at 08:48 AM
Does anyone recall the articles that were written when Obama was President-Elect that talked about his vetting process and how rigorous it was. I think all of this "forgetting" or "mistakes" in paying their taxes raises a bigger issue. Did they lie to Obama during the vetting process or did they really not know they had made mistakes? Good thing Obama has a great honeymoon period going because the guy is getting a pass....and not like that pass everyone claims Bush received. Seriously, can you imagine if Bush put a couple of people who didn't pay their taxes up their for nomination, particularly one who will be watching the money in the Treasury Secretary?
 

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Taxes are the nannygate of the Obama administration. I say find someone who pays their taxes and nominate them. I am not a Daschle fan. Same goes for Geithner.


I agree, they both should have been thrown to the curb as soon as it was known they had these issues. Are either of these two irreplaceable? Hardly not.

 

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Repubs love Daschle, I doubt there will be much opposition from the Repub senators.

 

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Does anyone recall the articles that were written when Obama was President-Elect that talked about his vetting process and how rigorous it was. I think all of this "forgetting" or "mistakes" in paying their taxes raises a bigger issue. Did they lie to Obama during the vetting process or did they really not know they had made mistakes? Good thing Obama has a great honeymoon period going because the guy is getting a pass....and not like that pass everyone claims Bush received. Seriously, can you imagine if Bush put a couple of people who didn't pay their taxes up their for nomination, particularly one who will be watching the money in the Treasury Secretary?


Oh shiat, thats funny right there. Bush got a pass for 8 years. Do you honestly think that Obama or any other Dem would have gotten a free ride on lying to the public like they did? I have never seen, nor do I believe I will ever see again, the level of dishonestly that was present in the Bush administration.

 

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Yesterday Obama came out and said that more banks may fail. That sounds different than, 'no, we're not in a recession'.............

 

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Yet another nominee bites the dust over unpaid taxes:

Obama Pick for Oversight Role Pulls Out Over Tax Issue

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: February 3, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Nancy Killefer, who failed for a year and a half to pay employment taxes on household help, has withdrawn her candidacy to be the first chief performance officer for the federal government, the White House said Tuesday.

Killefer was the second major Obama administration nominee to withdraw and the third to have tax problems complicate their nomination after President Barack Obama announced their selection.

"Nancy Killefer has decided to withdraw her nomination, and we accepted her withdrawal," Tommy Vietor, a White House spokesman, said Tuesday. The 55-year-old executive with consulting giant McKinsey & Co., was expected to explain her reasons for pulling out later in the day.

When her selection was announced by Obama on Jan. 7, The Associated Press disclosed that in 2005 the District of Columbia government had filed a $946.69 tax lien on her home for failure to pay unemployment compensation tax on household help.

Since then, administration officials refused to answer questions about the tax error, which she resolved five months after the lien was filed. Obama's first choice for commerce secretary, New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, took his name out of consideration when his confirmation appeared headed toward complications because of a grand jury investigation over how state contracts were issued to political donors.

More recently, Timothy Geithner was confirmed as Treasury secretary despite belatedly paying $34,000 in income taxes, and Tom Daschle is still waiting to see if his late payment of more than $128,000 in income taxes will harm his nomination to be health and human services secretary.

On paper, Killefer brought impressive credentials to the two jobs Obama selected her for: deputy director for management at the Office of Management and Budget, which requires Senate confirmation, and a new White House post, chief performance officer for the entire federal government, which does not require confirmation.

Killefer oversees McKinsey's management consulting for government clients. During 1997-2000 in the Clinton administration, Killefer was assistant Treasury secretary for management. As such she was the chief financial officer and chief operating officer for the Treasury and its 160,000 employees and led a modernization of its largest component, the Internal Revenue Service.

But for nearly a month, the administration had refused to answer how its choice to make government workers more efficient and more responsive had bungled her household payroll taxes.

The AP reported that on March 7, 2005, the D.C. Department of Employment Services slapped a tax lien on her home in the tony Wesley Heights neighborhood. The local government alleged that just three years after she left the high-powered Treasury post she began to fail to pay unemployment compensation tax for a household employee. And she failed to make the required quarterly payments for a year and half, whereupon a lien for $946.69 was placed on her home.

That sum included $298 in unpaid taxes, $48.69 in interest and $600 in penalties. The lien was filed March 7, 2005, but Killefer didn't get the lien extinguished for almost five months, not until July 29.

During that period, Killefer and her husband, an economics professor, had a teenage son and daughter, but she had two nannies and a personal assistant to run her life when she was on the road, she told Harvard business students back then.

 

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Yesterday Obama came out and said that more banks may fail. That sounds different than, 'no, we're not in a recession'.............


Wow, what a keen eye for the obvious he has. Incidentally, if you have been reading the newspapers, many in the pervious administration said that more banks would fail. Its not really that big of a secret.

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Oh shiat, thats funny right there.


Is it funny to you that the man minding the money didn't pay his taxes? Is it funny that the guy picked to be head of health and human services also didn't pay his taxes and may have lied to the president about his taxes so he wouldn't be excluded from the job search, after Obama made it a point to be extremely thorough in the vetting process? Funny shiat huh, as you say? Would it have been that funny to you if Bush had done the same (be objective now, you know you would have been screaming from the mountain tops)? What's funny is that Daschle is so well connected, even within the Obama adminstration, that some of his close allies oversaw his vetting process. Hmmm, doesn't sound like any conflict of interest there.


 

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I wish Obama had made some decisions he's making or selected some of the people he's choosing if for no other reason than it gives the right something on which to hang thier hat. This country is in worse shape than any of us realize and it's going to continue to go down hill for a while in my way of thinking. We need people on Capital Hill to work together to get it turned around and so far it's not happening.

 

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Does anyone recall the articles that were written when Obama was President-Elect that talked about his vetting process and how rigorous it was. I think all of this "forgetting" or "mistakes" in paying their taxes raises a bigger issue. Did they lie to Obama during the vetting process or did they really not know they had made mistakes? Good thing Obama has a great honeymoon period going because the guy is getting a pass....and not like that pass everyone claims Bush received. Seriously, can you imagine if Bush put a couple of people who didn't pay their taxes up their for nomination, particularly one who will be watching the money in the Treasury Secretary?


Oh shiat, thats funny right there. Bush got a pass for 8 years. Do you honestly think that Obama or any other Dem would have gotten a free ride on lying to the public like they did? I have never seen, nor do I believe I will ever see again, the level of dishonestly that was present in the Bush administration.


Again, trying to sidetrack with statements about the Bush administration when it has no bearing on the decisions by Obama and the actions of those he chooses to appoint to upper level positions.
Explain to me what the previous administration has to do with the subject at hand.

 

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Again, trying to sidetrack with statements about the Bush administration when it has no bearing on the decisions by Obama and the actions of those he chooses to appoint to upper level positions.
Explain to me what the previous administration has to do with the subject at hand.


No sidetrack at all... I find it hilarious that all of sudden all the Righties are so concerned about ethics and other issues they had no trouble ignoring for 8 years. While its abhorrent that any politician would dodge taxes, I dont think you guys have one bit of room to talk. Where were you the last two terms? Cheering on the sidelines...

 

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Again, trying to sidetrack with statements about the Bush administration when it has no bearing on the decisions by Obama and the actions of those he chooses to appoint to upper level positions.
Explain to me what the previous administration has to do with the subject at hand.


No sidetrack at all... I find it hilarious that all of sudden all the Righties are so concerned about ethics and other issues they had no trouble ignoring for 8 years. While its abhorrent that any politician would dodge taxes, I dont think you guys have one bit of room to talk. Where were you the last two terms? Cheering on the sidelines...


My contention is that the Obama supporters just can't realize that, so far, there hasn't been much change in the ways and methods of this administration from previous ones. What they do is continue to bring up what happened in the Bush administration as comparison, but they just continuously point out how much the Obama camp is like the Bush camp was.

 

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My contention is that the Obama supporters just can't realize that, so far, there hasn't been much change in the ways and methods of this administration from previous ones.


I disagree with you. Change happened from the moment he appointed qualified people to the important posts. Change happened day one when he signed papers closing Gitmo and essentially ending our involvement in Iraq (1 year).

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What they do is continue to bring up what happened in the Bush administration as comparison, but they just continuously point out how much the Obama camp is like the Bush camp was.


Strange. When you guys brought up Clinton, what exactly where you doing?

 

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Again, trying to sidetrack with statements about the Bush administration when it has no bearing on the decisions by Obama and the actions of those he chooses to appoint to upper level positions.
Explain to me what the previous administration has to do with the subject at hand.


No sidetrack at all... I find it hilarious that all of sudden all the Righties are so concerned about ethics and other issues they had no trouble ignoring for 8 years. While its abhorrent that any politician would dodge taxes, I dont think you guys have one bit of room to talk. Where were you the last two terms? Cheering on the sidelines...


My contention is that the Obama supporters just can't realize that, so far, there hasn't been much change in the ways and methods of this administration from previous ones. What they do is continue to bring up what happened in the Bush administration as comparison, but they just continuously point out how much the Obama camp is like the Bush camp was.


And, if you asked anyone remotely on the Right from 2000-2006 or so (or even up to now), everything was Clinton's fault. Wash, rinse, repeat...

 

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I pay my taxes, but I'm actually 6 blocks West of Capital Hill....
 
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  posted on 2/3/2009 at 01:31 PM
What I'd like to know is how any of the ones in D.C. who haven't paid their taxes manage to get away with it. Usually if you owe them $5 they come after you with a vengence. I can't imagine the IRS overlooking $100K!!

 

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My contention is that the Obama supporters just can't realize that, so far, there hasn't been much change in the ways and methods of this administration from previous ones. What they do is continue to bring up what happened in the Bush administration as comparison, but they just continuously point out how much the Obama camp is like the Bush camp was.


And, if you asked anyone remotely on the Right from 2000-2006 or so (or even up to now), everything was Clinton's fault. Wash, rinse, repeat...


If I remember, that was about the condition of the US after the Clinton administration left, not on the decisions Bush made on his upper level administrators.
Obama said this administration would have no place for lobbyists, or do business as usual, but, here he is appointing lobbyists, and carry on business as usual, same as the administrations before him (including Clinton).

 

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