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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:23 PM
A closer look @ Barack Hussein Obama. PDF letter attached - below is the text.

Fellow Sportsman,

Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association.

I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama’s attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than Barack Obama.

Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners and forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month.

Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use a firearm in defense of home and family.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?

And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And let’s not forget Obama’s pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the UN’s international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.

Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other people’s money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence and the Violence Policy Center.

Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a “friend” of the law-abiding gun owner?

By now, I’m sure that many of you have received mailings from an organization called “American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA)” talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.

In closing, I’d like to remind you that I’m a guy who has actually gone nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot even begin to identify with this nation’s outdoor traditions. The Obama I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him.

That’s the Barack Obama I know.

Sincerely,
(original signed)
Richard A. Pearson
Executive Director
Illinois State Rifle Association

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:27 PM
Someone has to be the one to protect us from the radical side of the NRA.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:33 PM
Someone has to be the one to protect us from the radical side of the NRA.

Yea the next NRA criminal who slips in you window in the middle of the night .....
Are you for real.

 

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Someone has to be the one to protect us from the radical side of the NRA.

Yea the next NRA criminal who slips in you window in the middle of the night .....
Are you for real.


No she is not she has a warped view of reality,i have stated for months that Obama wants your guns,he lives in the state with the strictest gun laws and if you believe the NRA is radical you simply need to get out more ,the NRA fights for one think to protect the freedom given to each and every american to keep and bears arms to protect yourself,your property, and to protect yourself from a overbearing Goverment.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:52 PM
I still want to know how the government could possibly take away every single gun in America.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:53 PM
The real question is what exactly was Richard Pearson lobbying for? Perhaps Mr. Pearson should explain exactly what it was he was trying to get Obama to work with him on. For all we know he was lobbying for open carry of AK-47's.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:56 PM
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I still want to know how the government could possibly take away every single gun in America.



They are registered unless of course your a criminal .....you won't lose your gun or if you do you steal another.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 02:57 PM
I am a supporter of the second amendment and I'm a former member of the NRA. As in any case with an organization dedicated to a single purpose the NRA has, in my opinion, gone beyond what I think is reasonable...others may disagree. I have my guns....I don't need armor piercing bullets or automatic weapons for 'hunting'.


The Second Amendment, as passed by the House and Senate, reads:

“ A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. ”

About Militias:

In America, however, militias survived. The Military Company of Massachusetts was the first militia organization in America and was followed by similar groups in the other colonies. Local control and voluntary service prevailed. Although the militia was valuable throughout the American Revolution, it proved undependable in the War of 1812. Therefore, no militia forces were used in the Mexican War. However, during the Civil War, when manpower needs were greater, both sides resorted to the use of militia. After World War I, state military units were established under the term National Guard. In other countries the militia is known generally as the special reserve or the territorial reserve.

In 1995 the bombing of Oklahoma City's federal building focused national attention on self-appointed militias or, as they often call themselves, Patriots. These armed, typically rural and predominantly male organizations, many of which are in Western states, have a membership largely consisting of a mix of survivalists, white supremacists, gun-control opponents, Christian Identity adherents, and others adamantly opposed to most involvement of the federal government in the daily lives of U.S. citizens. Many in the militia movement were particularly angered by the FBI siege at Ruby Ridge, Idaho (1992), the destruction of the Branch Davidians at Waco, Tex. (1993), and the passage of the Brady Bill handgun control legislation (1993); these events spurred the further growth of the American militia movement in the 1990s.


 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 03:13 PM
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I still want to know how the government could possibly take away every single gun in America.



They are registered unless of course your a criminal .....you won't lose your gun or if you do you steal another.

So what are you saying, the gov't revokes all of the gun registrations? Then what?

Cuckoo.


In order for a gun registration to be revoked it has to be registered in the first place.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 03:29 PM
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[Edited on 10/23/2008 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 04:24 PM
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I still want to know how the government could possibly take away every single gun in America.
They'll never take them all, but if made illegal, law abiding citizens will begrudgingly follow the law and give them up for fear of what will probably be harsh penalities. Then only the criminals will have guns, and if you try to defend your home or yourself with a firearm you'll end up in prison.

Some will say it can never happen, but it's all about the incrementalism of government. Who woulda thought 40 years ago, when cigarette companies were forced to print warnings on their products, that we reach a time where it might be illegal to smoke in your home, at a ball game, or in your car. We're getting there in some places.

There are bigger problems in America, I hope they focus on those and leave this alone.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 04:29 PM
These are definitely interesting times.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 04:41 PM
There are people who believe we should be able to own anything we want to.....mortar rounds, whatever, and there are people who think we should keep our guns but therer should be some restriction on what guns we should have access to. I haven't met anyone who thought we shouldn't have the right to own guns. Maybe they're out there but I haven't met them. So, I don't know where the candy lane pie in the sky element enters.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 04:48 PM
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I guess for the record, Ann, I shoulda done like you and mentioned that I think people have a right to own certain firearms as long as they are registered legally and such.


Your words..."certain firearms" scare gun supporters.

Also, "as long as they are registered legally" even though this isn't a legal requirement? Do you even know that there is NO legal requirement to register a gun?

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 05:00 PM
And nothing against you personally, but it is people like you that the NRA exists.
 

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I guess for the record, Ann, I shoulda done like you and mentioned that I think people have a right to own certain firearms as long as they are registered legally and such.


Your words..."certain firearms" scare gun supporters.

Also, "as long as they are registered legally" even though this isn't a legal requirement? Do you even know that there is NO legal requirement to register a gun?


Of course I know there is no legal requirement to register a gun.....I told you I used to be an NRA member. So, you feel comfortable with your neighbor, the one you don't get along with maybe because you complained about his barking dog....owing an arsenal of automatic weapons and armor piercing bullets? I respect our police officers to much to think everyone should have access to those.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2008 at 05:13 PM
Ann, you throw that "I used to be an NRA member" thing around pretty liberally, then shame on you for spreading that old armor piercing bullet thing around.

That was big back in the day by anti-NRA'ers, when vetted it was proven that the bill they were against, YES wanted to ban armor piercing bullets...along with a whole passle of other ammo...you know that old legislative trick, pack the bill with any and everything.

So it was spread around in big headlines that the NRA was FOR cop killer bullets, when in fact it was the entire bill they were against.

There aren't many groups out there that are more cop friendly than the NRA.

Edit: also, another fallacy in your post...automatic firearms are NOW illegal and have been for some time.

[Edited on 10/20/2008 by heineken515]

 

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It is in my opinion the aim of the second ammendment that the people should have the right to keep and bear arms in the case of the goverment becoming to overbearing an and trying to throw off the freedoms set in the Declaration of independence and the further amendments. so like our forefathers the king did not want them to have guns yet they did and used them to overthrow the british empire...

What good would hunting guns be if all you faced were military weapons? there should be no bans for law abiding citizens as is legal in Idaho and many other states you can own a fully automatic machine gun that is registered and fees all paid if you have a clean record and are a law abiding citizen. see if that is legal in ILL.?

If they attempted to confisate guns in this country they would only suceed in turning law abiding citizens into crimminals as the criminals would do business as usual.

Guns do not have to be registered when sold between private citizens (law abiding) this is where gun shows come into play and alot of states have tried to stop them as well it comes down to how much of your freedom are you willing to part with,because once it starts it will not end till it is all gone.



[Edited on 10/20/2008 by Rydethwind]

 

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Edit: also, another fallacy in your post...automatic firearms are NOW illegal and have been for some time.

Ever wonder how many of the 'pry them from my cold dead fingers' group have automatic firearms?

"approximately 175,000 automatic firearms have been licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms

And those are just the ones licensed.

 

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It is in my opinion the aim of the second ammendment that the people should have the right to keep and bear arms in the case of the goverment becoming to overbearing an and trying to throw off the freedoms set in the Declaration of independence and the further amendments. so like our forefathers the king did not want them to have guns yet they did and used them to overthrow the british empire...

What good would hunting guns be if all you faced were military weapons? there should be no bans for law abiding citizens as is legal in Idaho and many other states you can own a fully automatic machine gun that is registered and fees all pain if you have a clean record and are a law abiding citizen. see if that is legal in ILL.?

If they attempted to confisate guns in this country they would only suceed in turning law abiding citizens into crimminals as the criminals would do business as usual.

Guns do not have to be registered when sold between private citizens (law abiding) this is where gun shows come into play and alot of states have tried to stop them as well it comes down to how much of your freedom are you willing to part with,because once it starts it will not end till it is all gone.





WOW. Some people have really scary ideas. Tell me, when the government comes at your house with a tank, how good will your machine gun be? Hell, let's not stop at tank killing weapons, get yourself some WMD's. That'll teach the US government notr to eff with you.

Sorry, man, but if I felt that I have to arm myself against the government, It's time to find a new country to live in. This country would be a lost cause.


Wow i am sure glad you were not around during the American Revolution,you would probably been a spy for England!


BigAnn<. are you saying that you can NOT still get a fully automatic weapon? if so you are mis informed just find your nearest Class three dealer..there are many.. here is a link for you

http://www.americangunshows.com/DealersClass3/Class3.htm

[Edited on 10/20/2008 by Rydethwind]

 

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MBTOGO4,,dont waste your time with these aliens man.Dont you know by now Barack Hussein Obama is the man of the hour,all sweet ,no sour.SH*T, he's more The American Dream than Dusty Rhodes.He's gonna put shoes on all the little childrens feet and we'll all live on candy cane lane.
ANY FUC*IN THING thats brought up on this sh*thead. The soilders come in with the trumpets blasting and swords drawn ,to protect the character and good standing of their saviour.
And if some dont care for what i just said.Well hey now,,i gotta little brown button between my ass cheeks you can firmly plant your rosey red lips on and give it a good smack.


Luke, your hate-filled head is gonna explode come election day.

 

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There are people who believe we should be able to own anything we want to.....mortar rounds, whatever, and there are people who think we should keep our guns but therer should be some restriction on what guns we should have access to. I haven't met anyone who thought we shouldn't have the right to own guns. Maybe they're out there but I haven't met them. So, I don't know where the candy lane pie in the sky element enters.


I think you totally missed the most important part of this letter.
Obammmie would lock you up if you used deadly force on some scumbag who would break into your home to do you harm,maybe you could fight them off with your pocketbook call the police and hope for the best while your getting raped and robbed.
Good luck

 

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It is in my opinion the aim of the second ammendment that the people should have the right to keep and bear arms in the case of the goverment becoming to overbearing an and trying to throw off the freedoms set in the Declaration of independence and the further amendments. so like our forefathers the king did not want them to have guns yet they did and used them to overthrow the british empire...

What good would hunting guns be if all you faced were military weapons? there should be no bans for law abiding citizens as is legal in Idaho and many other states you can own a fully automatic machine gun that is registered and fees all pain if you have a clean record and are a law abiding citizen. see if that is legal in ILL.?

If they attempted to confisate guns in this country they would only suceed in turning law abiding citizens into crimminals as the criminals would do business as usual.

Guns do not have to be registered when sold between private citizens (law abiding) this is where gun shows come into play and alot of states have tried to stop them as well it comes down to how much of your freedom are you willing to part with,because once it starts it will not end till it is all gone.





WOW. Some people have really scary ideas. Tell me, when the government comes at your house with a tank, how good will your machine gun be? Hell, let's not stop at tank killing weapons, get yourself some WMD's. That'll teach the US government notr to eff with you.

Sorry, man, but if I felt that I have to arm myself against the government, It's time to find a new country to live in. This country would be a lost cause.


Wow i am sure glad you were not around during the American Revolution,you would probably been a spy for England!


BigAnn<. are you saying that you can NOT still get a fully automatic weapon? if so you are mis informed just find your nearest Class three dealer..there are many..



Well, thank you for deciding where my loyalties lie. I think the logic that everyone needs machine guns or whatever to protect themselves from our government is something out of a bad movie. The only way you could fight this government is if the armed forces were on your side. If that was the case, you wouldn't need a machine gun. If you think that you could organize a fighting army, you are living in fantasy world.


Typical,OTF i never said everyone needs a machine gun you really need to learn to read only what is written on the page,i SAID you can leagaly get one!... and since you know everything who said it was just going to be our goverment you might need to fight against? what would happen if we were invaded? you think you are going to call 911? or call the army and say i need protection? Hmmmm maybe it is you who is living in a fantasy world!

 

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This thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside, like I've been hit with a hollow-tip bullet or something...


Lets just make this topic educational, Hollow point bullets were designed for police and urban fighting why??? because the old 357 rounds carried by many police went through walls and killed inocent people the hollow point will flatten out when hitting anything and this stops their momentum fatser than a solid military round.

Why does the military use full meatal jackets? geneva convention so more soldiers will be wounded instead of killed.

 

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I belive you said we would need them to use against our own government. You said it was the purpose of the Second Amendment. These are your words.


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It is in my opinion the aim of the second ammendment that the people should have the right to keep and bear arms in the case of the goverment becoming to overbearing an and trying to throw off the freedoms set in the Declaration of independence and the further amendments. so like our forefathers the king did not want them to have guns yet they did and used them to overthrow the british empire...



I'm in a fantasy world. Yeah, OK.


Correct on the british empire..my bad.. <<<<<------- see i can admit when i am wrong!

Wrong again on the rest, where in the above paragraph does it say everyone needs a machinegun stick with the subject read slower you will get it sooner or later..

 

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