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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 05:58 AM
does your statehave a smoking ban and what effect has it had
 
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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 08:34 AM
yes - and I am all for it.......


Hard to tell if it had any affect yet in Illinois - casino revenues were down, but January was very bad weather and the economy isn't that great right now..... they were trying to blame it on smokers - either going to Indiana instead or having to leave the tables/slots to go outside to smoke....

My town actually implemented their own ban about a year earlier - a lot of bars complained that they were losing smokers to neighboring towns who didn't implement the ban - but now it's a level playing field (except for close to the state lines).

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 08:37 AM
The positive effect is I can go to a bar to see a concert or go to a bowling alley and not come home smelling like an ashtray....

I used to bowl in a league many years ago, and I would have to change my clothes in the garage so I wouldn't bring the smoke smell into the house...

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 08:40 AM
Ditto.....hey Sang--you're a bowler
 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 08:43 AM
Not a very good one - which is why I don't do it much anymore......

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 09:07 AM
I have a sign on my front door...."If you don't smoke, you are welcome to stay outside!"

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 09:55 AM
I don't smoke but was married to a smoker for 17 years and honestly I am for smoker's rights...

Florida has an indoor smoking ban in all places except a bar that serves no food.

When this was being considered, many of the small bars that did serve food were whining that it would drive them out of business...I don't think that happened, as a matter of fact there is a small bar near where I work where I used to go to lunch all the time...that is still open and seemingly doing fine (although no longer serving food.)

I think the few places that still allow indoor smoking actually draw smokers so good for them.

I also agree that being able to go pretty much anywhere and not end up smelling like smoke is a pretty good thing.

I used to travel for business and would eat dinner "at the bar" because I didn't want a table for one...and used to hate when eating, the person next to me would light up...but that was their right at the time, I respected that.

One thing that bothers me about smokers and the new "gotta go outside thing" is that the smokers congregate RIGHT OUTSIDE THE FRONT DOOR...that to me is just tacky, especially if it's the people who work at the place...nothing like going into a restraunt and seeing all the help standing by the front door puffing away....not a good image for the place.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 10:05 AM
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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 10:14 AM
the sooner they ban the things forever the better,no offence to anyone but if you smoke you are just plain being a dumba$$..i know i was one for 30 years i finnaly kicked tobaco 3 years ago and it was the best thing i ever did for myself,my family and wife and children, and friends i wish they were against the law...

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 10:26 AM
I've never smoked but obviously have been around it in clubs, concerts, etc for a very long time. Being able to go someplace now to eat or listen to music without having to choke on second hand smoke is wonderful. And for those people who do smoke.....wait until a doctor diagnosis you with lung cancer and see how you feel about cigarettes then. Phil Walden died of lung cancer.....so did my grandfather.

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 10:34 AM
When it was first being enacted in NYC, everyone thought it would be the death of the drinking scene as we knew it. Turned out, just the opposite. More people actually went out to bars because they could do so without reeking like smoke. Plus, since the smokers were forced outside together, they formed a little sub-culture and for a lot of people it was a great way to make friends.

I don't really care one way or the other, but it is weird now going into someplace that allows smoking.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 11:38 AM
California

YES...There is a Ban on ALL indoor smoking. The Ban was later modified to keep smokers at least 10 feet from the doors of the restaurant/bar they were frequenting.

YES... I am all for it. I now eat at the bars of my favorite watering holes.

I am a Libertarian at heart. I don't begrudge anyone the "right" to smoke. Kill yourself, it really doesn't matter to me. Just smoke outside where your habit affects only you and other smokers.

By the way, tobacco killed both of my parents, my Father had cancer of the larynx and had his voice box removed in an effort to save his life. My Mother passed away due to smoking complications with her diabetes.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 12:03 PM
I've never smoked and likely never will, but I hate smoking bans. It was voted on in Ohio 1 or 2 years ago, can't remember. I'm not sure if every state has got to vote on it or if some places it was legislated without a vote. I respect the decision of the voters, but it is so much easier to stir up people to change something and get out the vote than it is to fight to keep the status quo so to speak.

There were two choices, the ban smoking at every business deal and the one that would have still allowed smoking at clubs (like VFW, American Legion, etc) and some other exceptions. It was the lesser of two evils choice, but many smokers didn't see the writing on the wall and voted no on both rather than supporting the less restrictive of the two.

Now we have a ban that if you work out of your home you can't even smoke in your house during "business hours". Ridiculous. We're supposed to post no smoking signs now, or get fined, F that!

Govt taxes the **** out of the tobacco user all while their right to use the product is continually eroded, doesn't seem very fair to this non-smoker.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 12:08 PM
The right to use it isn't eroded, just the where.....

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 12:40 PM
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The right to use it isn't eroded, just the where.....

The rights of where to use are being erroded as well. Some states are banning it in cars where children are present. Some places are banning it in apartments and condos.

I don't smoke and think its a filthy habit. But worse I feel is the state imposing it's strenght to take away freedoms based on behaviors that some like or dislike. It's a very slippery slope to all sorts of nanny state controls. Next is what foods you can eat (already in NYC). Combine this with national databases and we'll have a future where what you can buy, what you can eat, and what you can do will be monitored and regulated.

If you don't fight for people's freedoms and allow the state to take some away because you agree, then don't surprised on the day they take something away that you do care about. It's happened before, and we're headed down that same path.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 01:11 PM
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The right to use it isn't eroded, just the where.....

The rights of where to use are being erroded as well. Some states are banning it in cars where children are present. Some places are banning it in apartments and condos.

I don't smoke and think its a filthy habit. But worse I feel is the state imposing it's strenght to take away freedoms based on behaviors that some like or dislike. It's a very slippery slope to all sorts of nanny state controls. Next is what foods you can eat (already in NYC). Combine this with national databases and we'll have a future where what you can buy, what you can eat, and what you can do will be monitored and regulated.

If you don't fight for people's freedoms and allow the state to take some away because you agree, then don't surprised on the day they take something away that you do care about. It's happened before, and we're headed down that same path.



I think the law against smoking in a car with children or in a house with children is an absolutely great law, it should be passed tomorrow. Adults can make a choice to smoke or be in smokey places. Children have no choice and parents of those children shouldn't have the right to slowly poison their children. It is to me one of the most selfish acts to smoke in enclosed areas with children present. I used to hate when I would be stuck in the car as a child or even in the house while both of my parents were puffing away. If I complained the answer was, too bad. That is the typical attitude most smokers have.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 01:43 PM
Ban smoking anywhere/everywhere in public.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 02:05 PM
Yes and it has made my life much healthier.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 02:19 PM
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Yes and it has made my life much healthier.

No more smoking by the Spring Mix, eh?

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 02:37 PM
I tell em... "If you don't mind me pouring beer down your kids throat when sitting at the table next to me then I guess I might not mind you smoking next to me and mine..."

I could care less what you want to do to yourself, but second hand smoke is not a joke... it affects others who don't want to be... if you can get your fix some other way so be it...

I also think private companies should be able to provide smoking areas to their customers if they choose to do so... but at thier cost of keeping it from being inhaled by those in the non-smoking areas...

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 02:40 PM
We've had the smoking ban in pubs, clubs and all places of work for 9 months in the UK now and as someone else was saying it does now seem weird to be somewhere where smoking is allowed. Smoking in bars and restaurants in the US never really used to bother me that much because everwhere is air-conditioned but over here your eyes would be watering and clothes had to be washed after every night out.
Once it was proved that secondary smoking was a health hazard I don't see how our government could do anything but ban smoking in any workplace!

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 03:27 PM
I voted for the lesser option here in Ohio. I agree with no smoking in restaurants. Some clubs should be allowed to do so, as the market place will decide whether they keep it or not. As for smoking cigs, I gave that up a long time ago, back when I was 21. I do, however, enjoy a Padron cigar now and again. Anything can be abused, but, for instance, I would have a problem with the abolition of alcohol just because a small minority can't handle their liquor. Besides, I think folks handle it themselves. I know of only one friend who smokes in his own house. It simply doesn't happen anywhere else. However, I agree with the slippery slope argument, as when government gets too overbearing and intrusive for "our own good."

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 04:29 PM
I voted for the lesser option here in Ohio. I agree with no smoking in restaurants. Some clubs should be allowed to do so, as the market place will decide whether they keep it or not. As for smoking cigs, I gave that up a long time ago, back when I was 21. I do, however, enjoy a Padron cigar now and again. Anything can be abused, but, for instance, I would have a problem with the abolition of alcohol just because a small minority can't handle their liquor. Besides, I think folks handle it themselves. I know of only one friend who smokes in his own house. It simply doesn't happen anywhere else. However, I agree with the slippery slope argument, as when government gets too overbearing and intrusive for "our own good."

I agree Derek. The bill here in Ohio that passed was a no win situation for smokers. It has taken a toll on nightclub owners. Personally, I have worked clubs for 30 yrs. and knew what to expect when I walked in the door. It was MY choice.What about our vets that have their own lodges. VFW, AMVETS were told they couldn't smoke in their lodges, yet when in the wars our government sent them free cigarettes.

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 04:54 PM
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The rights of where to use are being erroded as well. Some states are banning it in cars where children are present. Some places are banning it in apartments and condos.

I don't smoke and think its a filthy habit. But worse I feel is the state imposing it's strenght to take away freedoms based on behaviors that some like or dislike. It's a very slippery slope to all sorts of nanny state controls. Next is what foods you can eat (already in NYC). Combine this with national databases and we'll have a future where what you can buy, what you can eat, and what you can do will be monitored and regulated.

If you don't fight for people's freedoms and allow the state to take some away because you agree, then don't surprised on the day they take something away that you do care about. It's happened before, and we're headed down that same path.


Your "right" to smoke...ends at my "right" to breathe.

 

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  posted on 4/21/2008 at 05:02 PM
This is just an example of two-faced government at work.

If this is so bad for everyone, why not outlaw the product? Those who support bans always love to tout the "cost to society" of smoking, as if these same folks won't die of something else eventually.

So if it carries so many negatives, why not ban it? Oh, sorry, we couldn't do that - we'd lose too much tax revenue.

All that needed to be done was for the law to require those who allowed smoking in their establishments to post notice that they did so. If the sign on the door says "Smoking Permitted In This Establishment", then everyone is free to make a choice. Why trample on the owners rights to do as they please within their own property. If allowing smoking hurts their business, then they won't allow it.

 

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