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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 08:09 AM
Did Obama Plagerize Joe Bageant? Reading the Washington Post this morning came accross the following article "Opponents Paint Obama as an Elitist" (see link - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/11/AR200804110 3965.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008041200232 )

Now why do they call him that? Well it's because of some of the comments that Obama has made during a private fundraiser in San Francisco concerning the "White working class", and why they vote the way they do and are resistant to candidates such as Obama. And what were some of these comments?

""You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them.

"And they fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate and they have not," he went on. "And it's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

""Here's how it is: In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long. They feel so betrayed by government that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, then a part of them just doesn't buy it. And when it's delivered by -- it's true that when it's delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism."

"And so people don't vote on economic issues, because they don't expect anybody's going to help them. People are voting on issues like guns, are they going to have the right to bear arms. They vote on issues like gay marriage. They take refuge in their faith and their community and their families and the things they can count on. But they don't believe they can count on Washington."

Although I agree on many of these comments, I certainly don't believe that Obama learned them first hand. Last year an author named Joe Bageant, wrote a book called "Deer Hunting with Jesus" which decribes the thoughts and attitutes of many to the working class whites (rednecks) that live in and around Winchester, Va where Joe grew up, and were he moved back to. Joe like me, and I suspect at least a few others around here, comes from a somewhat "working class - redneck" background. And for Obama to talk like "he knows" from conversations with these type of people comes accoss as "Pure BS". Obama doesn't have a clue about what it's like to "working class". Don't think he has ever had a low paying construction or factory job in his life. Don't think he's ever had to worry about what's going to happen when you're 50 years old, worn-out from years of hard larbor, and you get "laid off", with little or no benefits, and no other real jobs to go to. He hasn't walked that road. For him to pretend he understands what it's like is "pandering" and being Eltist. My guess is Obama or one of his speach writers must have picked up a copy of "Deer Hunting with Jesus", and gleamed a few points from the book. Btw, Joe Bageant doesn't think much of Obama or the Democratic Party as they turned their backs on the working class many years ago and sold out to the same "corporate lobbyist" crowd as the Republicans. Joe also don't think much of the Republicans either, as they "pander" to the working class, and then turn around and "screw them". Must be nice to have the wine and cheese and be able to socialize with the "Limousine Liberals" of San Francisco and discuss what's wrong with the "white working class", of course no where does Obama mention what he would do to help these "economically depressed" Americans. My guess is, that after an Obama presidentcy that these areas of Ohio, and Pennsylvania and West Virginia, and Michigan, ect will still look pretty much like they do now.



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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 11:15 AM
Oh, good grief, Fred. You hate and fear Obama. We get it. Here's my question: Why are you offending working class whites by calling them rednecks? I'm offended! I'm a working class white person. I'm not a redneck. What are you, some East Coast elitist, speaking in condescending terms about me and my family. Who do you think you are? I bet you didn't think those words up yourself, but borrowed them from someone else. You are an elitist, condescending plagiarist.


See how easy to get ones panties worked up into a wad over nothing? But you already know that, apparently.

The idea that Obama doesn't know anything about working class families is pretty funny, Really. Fred, as your friend, I thinjk you should have your meds checked. You are obsessing over this man, and starting to look a little foolish.

 

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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 11:54 AM
"plagiarize"

 

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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 11:58 AM
Hey the daily anti-Obama post...

No, he really ripped off Dylan's "Only A Pawn in Their Game".


A bullet from the back of a bush took Medgar Evers' blood.
A finger fired the trigger to his name.
A handle hid out in the dark
A hand set the spark
Two eyes took the aim
Behind a man's brain
But he can't be blamed
He's only a pawn in their game.

A South politician preaches to the poor white man,
"You got more than the blacks, don't complain.
You're better than them, you been born with white skin," they explain.
And the Negro's name
Is used it is plain
For the politician's gain
As he rises to fame
And the poor white remains
On the caboose of the train
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

The deputy sheriffs, the soldiers, the governors get paid,
And the marshals and cops get the same,
But the poor white man's used in the hands of them all like a tool.
He's taught in his school
From the start by the rule
That the laws are with him
To protect his white skin
To keep up his hate
So he never thinks straight
'Bout the shape that he's in
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

From the poverty shacks, he looks from the cracks to the tracks,
And the hoof beats pound in his brain.
And he's taught how to walk in a pack
Shoot in the back
With his fist in a clinch
To hang and to lynch
To hide 'neath the hood
To kill with no pain
Like a dog on a chain
He ain't got no name
But it ain't him to blame
He's only a pawn in their game.

Today, Medgar Evers was buried from the bullet he caught.
They lowered him down as a king.
But when the shadowy sun sets on the one
That fired the gun
He'll see by his grave
On the stone that remains
Carved next to his name
His epitaph plain:
Only a pawn in their game.

WHo gives a rat's ass...The Candidate looks you in the eye and talks to you about such things like you're an adult.

 

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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 01:14 PM
Just an observation.....seems when anyone writes something about Obama people tend to attack the messenger rather than the message.
 

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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 01:32 PM
I enjoy "firing up" the toxic Kool-Aid drinking Obamamanaic crowd. Matter of fact, there's a new story about a black commentator by the name of Tavis Smiley, who had a twice weekly segment on "The Tom Joyner Show" being forced to resign because he was somewhat critial of Obama. One of his famous quotes was after Obama won the Iowa caucus:

""Don't fall so madly in love [with Obama] that you surrender your power to hold people accountable. . . . I'm not saying overlook Senator Obama, but you now better be ready to look him over."

And of course, that remark didn't go over to well with the Obama crowd And Smiley been laying it on ever sense.

Anyway, over on the Huffington Post Web site yesterday, author and political analyst Earl Ofari Hutchinson suggested that Smiley was the victim of "the black Obama thought police," which had subjected him to "a verbal public lynching" for comments that ran counter to mainstream black opinion.

Indeed, it appears that anyone that dare questions "Saint Obama" his supporters are quick to jump in there and try to "shut them up". But it ain't going happen here on the WP, at least not with me, if you don't like what I have to say "scroll on by", if you give me sh*t, I'll give you "sh*t" right back, if you want to have a discussion about it, that's cool, too.


 
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Just an observation.....seems when anyone writes something about Obama people tend to attack the messenger rather than the message.


As regards personal attacks:

Wow, what a great article, bunch of liberals blowing smoke up each other's asses on how great they think they are for choosing Obama. it's goddamn pathetic, the Obamamaics running around thinking their " **** don't skink". Down the line, you **** s are going to get "burned", when you find out what Obama is really about. But most of y'all are to stupid and blind to see it coming, as y'all want someone to tell you what you want to hear, and Obama is a smart enough to tell people what they want to hear, even though it's all just a "lie'. Oh well, America will get "what it deserves". Remember, Congress is bought and paid for, and remember Mocha man, can't change that as he's very much a part of that establishment. People need to open their f*chin' eyes, but they won't. Push come to shove my "liberal friends", Obama knows very weill who's "tit' he needs to suck off of, and you can be damn sure he'll do so.

 

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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 01:48 PM
It appears that not all African-Americans are in the Obama's camp. Thank you Earl for standing up for Tavis Smiley.

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Hang in There Tavis Smiley, Don't let the Black Obama Thought Police Run You Out

As late as this past January, black talk show host Tavis Smiley was the darling of black America. Three months later he's the butt of black America. The tip off that Smiley's personal stock has plunged was his abrupt announcement that he was quitting his long standing post as political commentator on the nationally syndicated Tom Joyner morning show. The Joyner show is virtually the airwaves Bible for legions of blacks. For more than a decade, Smiley was the show's black political and social issues voice. He was widely considered the go to guy for blacks on cutting edge social and advocacy issues.

So what is Smiley's great sin? He had the temerity to be less than a court cheer leader for candidate Obama. He compounded the sin with the black Obama thought police by having the added temerity to invite and warmly greet and thank Hillary Clinton for speaking at his annual State of the Black Union (formerly State of Black America) forum in February. Then he had the added added temerity to publicly criticize Obama for offering to send his wife Michelle as a fill-in.

That did it. The howls went up that Smiley was A. anti-Obama B. A closet Hillary backer C. an egoistic, self-absorbed, full of himself, bad host and ingrate. One columnist summed up the chorus from the black Obama thought police with this plunge the knife in the back title "Who Died and made Tavis King?" That title and the sentiment behind it would have been nothing short of heresy in January.

But putting the suddenly hate Smiley tide aside for a moment. There are two shames and tragedies here. The first is that if an African-American, and it makes no different whether it's a Smiley, or anyone else, even dares breathe a kind word about Hillary Clinton they will be run out of Dodge on a rail. Heaven forbid if they declare that they will vote for Clinton. No matter how many reasoned arguments they give--her experience, grasp of the issues, programs, and positions, staunch history in support of civil rights, women's rights, and social justice issues and Obama's paper thin if not outright dubious record on all of the aforementioned. Then remind the Obama chorus that the last time they looked the strength of democracy and the first amendment is the right to back a candidate of their choice and not be subjected to a verbal public lynching for making their choice.

The second shame and disgrace is that those blacks that exercise their democratic right to pick the candidate they think will do the best job and not blindly back a candidate based solely because he's black are considered race traitors. This is almost a text book variation on the old Orwellian Animal Farm saga of when the formerly oppressed flip the power table and suddenly become the new masters. They think, act and behave like the bunch that they kicked out of power. They are just as oppressive, stifling and thick headed toward any views and opinions that don't conform to theirs.

Given the history of the racial scorn heaped on them, blacks should be the absolute last ones to impose a racial code of conduct on other blacks. Unfortunately, in their absolute dogmatic, unyielding, Obama mania, they have turned what in any other season would be a healthy give and take reasoned dialogue and even debate on political issues into finger pointing, name calling, bashing, and yes as Smiley unhappily said "hate" toward any black who disagrees that Obama is the second coming of Dr. King.

Here's the challenge to Obama. Smiley has given him countless opportunities on his TV show, website, radio show, a presidential debate, and other public venues that he's hosted to amply express his views. That hardly sounds like an inherent political enemy. Why not issue a statement simply saying that Smiley's a stellar and consistent media and public voice for black causes, and a man worthy of respect and admiration. But most importantly, he has the right to hold and voice his political opinions on the presidential candidates and that even includes principled criticism of candidate Obama.

He has the right to do that without being vilified and verbally assailed. This in no way diminishes his credibility or value to black America. In other words, knock off the "hating" on Smiley (and others). Tavis, let me know when, but more likely if, that statement is ever issued. Meanwhile hang tough, and don't let the black Obama thought police run you out.

Earl Ofari Hutchinson is an author and political analyst. His new book is The Ethnic Presidency: How Race Decides the Race to the White House (Middle Passage Press, February



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Hey Fred, have you picked out a country to move to if Obama gets elected?


OTF,

Ain't going nowhere. matter of fact, I'll just become a more heavily armed Liberterian and when Obama's "socialistic uptopia" doesn't pan out and America goes all to sh*t (and it well on it's way now), and all you "Obamamanaics" realize the "American Dream" has been lost, and you're doing all you can to survive, including trying to steal from me and mine----then I'll just have to shoot your sorry ass (have to look out for me and mine, sure you understand).

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Come on now, tell me how stupid I am


Well since you ask, about as stupid as the rest of the "non-questioning, I believe everything that Obama says" crowd. IOW. Very.


 
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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 02:27 PM
I have a friend that said he was movig to Canada if Obama won. I just laughed it off. But I think back now that he serious.

 

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I just think he has a better idea of where this country should head. It is certainly better than John "Bush Redux" McCain. Or do you feel that 4 more years of the Bush years are the way we should go?


I ain't voting for McCain either if that's what you worried about. Obama has a lot rethoric about what he wants to do, without the details to follow through. Basically your typical "smoke your ass" that all politicians give, but as the old saying goes "the devil is in the details", and I don't think Obama has any workable details.

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As for saying that I believe everything thatr Obama says, I think your reading skills need a little work as I have never said or implied that


OTF, you take things to damn literally. Besides, I never said that "you" believed everything that he said. You're reading to much into what I saying and making certain assumptions that "may or may not" be true. And I'm probably quilty of the same thing, from time to time.


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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 07:04 PM
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Although I agree on many of these comments, I certainly don't believe that Obama learned them first hand.



So Obama read something about America and was able to assimilate it into his thinking about America. Sounds like
a good attribute to me. as opposed to the goofy child president that knows nothing and Cheney runs the show
while Dubya does the puppet dance to amuse and entertain.

No one person can possible understand the experiences of each and every American through his own life.

His thinking about all Americans has to come from someone outside his own life.

A President that reads and understands. Wott a novel concept!



 

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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 08:45 PM
Well, he did apologize..

Obama 'Deeply' Regrets Choice of Words
By JIM KUHNHENN and CHARLES BABINGTON,AP
Posted: 2008-04-12 21:33:47
Filed Under: Barack Obama, Elections News, Hillary Clinton
MISHAWAKA, Ind. (April 12) - A political tempest over Barack Obama's comments about bitter voters in small towns has given rival Hillary Rodham Clinton a new opening to court working class Democrats 10 days before Pennsylvanians hold a primary that she must win to keep her presidential campaign alive.

Obama tried to quell the furor Saturday, explaining his remarks while also conceding he had chosen his words poorly.

"If I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that," Obama said in an interview with the Winston-Salem (N.C.) Journal.

But the Clinton campaign fueled the controversy in every place and every way it could, hoping charges that Obama is elitist and arrogant will resonate with the swing voters the candidates are vying for not only in Pennsylvania, but in upcoming primaries in Indiana and North Carolina as well.

Political insiders differed on whether Obama's comments, which came to light Friday, would become a full-blown political disaster that could prompt party leaders to try to steer the nomination to Clinton even though Obama has more pledged delegates. Clinton supporters were eagerly hoping so.

They handed out "I'm not bitter" stickers in North Carolina, and held a conference call of Pennsylvania mayors to denounce the Illinois senator. In Indiana, Clinton did the work herself, telling plant workers in Indianapolis that Obama's comments were "elitist and out of touch."

At issue are comments he made privately at a fundraiser in San Francisco last Sunday. He was trying to explain his troubles winning over some working-class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The comments, posted Friday on The Huffington Post Web site, set off a blast of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and other GOP officials, and drew attention to a potential Obama weakness — the image some have that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and aloof.

 

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Surprised that no one has picked up on the Tavis Smiley incident, that I posted above. Granted I doubt many around here have heard of, much less heard the Tom Joyner show, which Mr. Smiley was a commentator on, but nevertheless it makes one wonder "why" such a prominent African-American would be forced to resign simply because he was "critical" of Obama? Where is this diversity that Obama talks about, as it appears, at least in the black community there is only one line of thinking being allowed and if one strays, then the Obama "thought police" will shut that voice down. One must shutter that such people might one day be the ones controlling this country. We all know how George W. Bush and his administration abused power, could Obama himself, have a similar type of mindset? Certainly forcing Tavis Smiley to resign would suggest that an Obama administration would do whatever it takes to quiet critics. Perhaps some of you Obama supporters can explain the "Tavis Smiley incident" and why another African-American journalist, Earl Ofari Hutchinson felt the need to repond the way he did in support of Tavis Smiley.

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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 10:32 PM
OTF,

Read Earl Ofari Hutchinson's column in support of Tavis Smiley. You think Earl is making things up?

 
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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 11:38 PM
OTF,

You don't think Obama and his staff doesn't know what his supporters doing are in his name? Hell yes they do and it isn"t discouraged. Of course, Obama "acts" like he's some saint, and above all of this. What a crock, and the amazing thing is the number of people that buy into it, and appartently you're one of them. Oh btw, the term I used was Obama "though police", now whether that's merely his supporters or people who actively work for his campaign remains to be seen.

 
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  posted on 4/12/2008 at 11:49 PM
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OTF,

Read Earl Ofari Hutchinson's column in support of Tavis Smiley. You think Earl is making things up?


As far as Tavis Smiley being fired I think your making things up not Earl. He didn't get fired, in fact it's my understanding he's leaving the show in June. Tavis's decision not Joyner's.

And as far as your other question:

"Perhaps some of you Obama supporters can explain the "Tavis Smiley incident" and why another African-American journalist, Earl Ofari Hutchinson felt the need to repond the way he did in support of Tavis Smiley."

McCain, Clinton, and Obama supporters would tell you Earl has had it in for Obama for a long time on a variety of topics. No mystery there.




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As far as Tavis Smiley being fired I think your making things up not Earl. He didn't get fired, in fact it's my understanding he's leaving the show in June. Tavis's decision not Joyner's.



Slim,

Show me were I used the word "fired", the term I used was "forced to resign". Basically, Tavis Smiley was getting quite a bit of "hate mail" over his views on Obama, and the man just got "fed up" with it all. Tavis Smiley has been a strong advocate for African-American issues for quite some time, but nowadays it appears in the black community, that if you're not an Obama supporter, then you're considered some sort of a "Uncle Tom". How sad that loss of diversity of thought. And I agree with what Hutchinson said in his support of Tavis Smiley"

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Why not issue a statement simply saying that Smiley's a stellar and consistent media and public voice for black causes, and a man worthy of respect and admiration. But most importantly, he has the right to hold and voice his political opinions on the presidential candidates and that even includes principled criticism of candidate Obama.

He has the right to do that without being vilified and verbally assailed. This in no way diminishes his credibility or value to black America. In other words, knock off the "hating" on Smiley (and others).


Obama knows what his supporters are doing in his name, and if he was anyway honorable he would issue a statement that Hutchinson refers to.


 
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  posted on 4/13/2008 at 05:12 AM
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Ain't going nowhere. matter of fact, I'll just become a more heavily armed Liberterian and when Obama's "socialistic uptopia" doesn't pan out and America goes all to sh*t (and it well on it's way now), and all you "Obamamanaics" realize the "American Dream" has been lost, and you're doing all you can to survive, including trying to steal from me and mine----then I'll just have to shoot your sorry ass (have to look out for me and mine, sure you understand).



Ok, this **** is getting ridiculous now. Youre talking about collapse of society because a black man might get elected President. "Steal from me and mine"? Youve gone over the edge.

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Come on now, tell me how stupid I am


Well since you ask, about as stupid as the rest of the "non-questioning, I believe everything that Obama says" crowd. IOW. Very.




Well, based on your other delusional beliefs, this isnt much of a surprise. BTW, Im still waiting to hear from you on what "hard questions" need to be asked of "Mocha Man". Maybe something to do with food preferences? Or how about what kind of Rap music he likes? You have certainly surprised me, CUH.

 

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I ain't voting for McCain either if that's what you worried about. Obama has a lot rethoric about what he wants to do, without the details to follow through. Basically your typical "smoke your ass" that all politicians give, but as the old saying goes "the devil is in the details", and I don't think Obama has any workable details.


What happened with you and McCain? You were his biggest fanboi here on the WP until very recently. Hell, we couldnt see a post from you that didnt have you kissing all over him like a giddy school girl. What finally opened your eyes to him not being perfect?

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OTF, you take things to damn literally. Besides, I never said that "you" believed everything that he said. You're reading to much into what I saying and making certain assumptions that "may or may not" be true. And I'm probably quilty of the same thing, from time to time.


From time to time? FROM TIME TO TIME???? You have done NOTHING but make assumptions. You have done it right here in this very thread. You have shiat all over me and other posters for making a political choice calling us names telling us how stupid we are for having the ignorance to think that our preferred candidate has a better idea than say, your candidate. Ive said time and time again what my views on Obama have been and Ive been called every name in the book for it and told that Im Karl Rove for Obama. CUH, youre a trouble man. Im not sure what finally snapped the last fiber of sanity for you, but its apparent that you are lost. Get help.

 

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Fred, where in that article does it say that Obama had anything to do with Smiley's firing? I think you are making a connection that isn't there. And the reason that Smiley was fired is written in a way that it may be more opinion than fact. I am not saying it isn't true, it more likely is accurate, but how does this reflect in any way on Obama?


Thats an "assumption" and this is "time to time".

 

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What happened with you and McCain? You were his biggest fanboi here on the WP until very recently. Hell, we couldnt see a post from you that didnt have you kissing all over him like a giddy school girl. What finally opened your eyes to him not being perfect?



Squatch,

The only thing I agreed with McCain about, is that the U.S. military shouldn't leave Iraq unless there is enough stability in the country that the U.S. wouldn't be required to come back and finish the job. Compare that to Obama wanting to pull troops out of Iraq, but if the situation deteroiated (which it would) to "re-invade Iraq". I don't think that's a very wise course of action to take.

Truth is, I can agree with different parts of what all the candidates want to do. Nevertheless, I really don't feel that any one of them measures up, especially Obama.

Now I'll leave you to go back and drink your Kool-Aid.

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  posted on 4/13/2008 at 08:40 AM
Found this on Fix News:

DALLAS — Tavis Smiley is leaving Tom Joyner’s popular morning radio show after 12 years, and Joyner told listeners Friday he thought the political commentator’s criticisms of presidential hopeful Barack Obama might be to blame.

But Smiley said in a news release issued later Friday: “Contrary to what has been suggested, I have decided to clear some things off my plate so that I can devote my time and attention to some exciting and empowering projects … this summer, this fall and beyond.”

In addition Smiley was on Bill Maher a couple weeks ago and he was very supportive of Obama concerning the Wright flap. His comments were along the lines of [paraphrase] "Wright is getting all this negativity in the media when Robertson, Falwell, Hagee, Swaggert, and their ilk say things like that all the time". Smiley is supporting Clinton as are other blacks.

Hagee has said that God has "damned" America by crushing New Orleans with Katrina to punish the sin of "homuhsexyul" promiscuity.

Most of these stains have made similar irrational statements.

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I'll just become a more heavily armed Libertarian and when Obama's "socialistic uptopia" doesn't pan out and America goes all to sh*t (and it well on it's way now), and all you "Obamamanaics" realize the "American Dream" has been lost, and you're doing all you can to survive, including trying to steal from me and mine----then I'll just have to shoot your sorry ass (have to look out for me and mine, sure you understand).


Which Libertarian faction do you represent, Fred?

League of the South?
Heritage Preservation Society?
Ludwig von Mises Institute headed up by Llewelyn Rockwell Jr.?
Rockford Institute?

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=461
for those not familiar.

Not trying to paint you with an ideological brush, it's just that Libertarianism is so fragmented from the far left to the far right and everything in between. Maybe you would share some of your Libertarian philosophy?

You know, what do you really stand for?

 

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  posted on 4/13/2008 at 09:50 AM
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Not trying to paint you with an ideological brush, it's just that Libertarianism is so fragmented from the far left to the far right and everything in between. Maybe you would share some of your Libertarian philosophy?


If you want to get down to it, I consider myself a Progessive Conservaterian. Which sounds like a contradiction, and in some ways it is, but in my mind I try to make work.

First of all, I agree with the paleo-conservative crowd that the United States needs to take care of itself and not get so involved in the issues that draw our country into disputes and into the personal business of other countries. Also, I feel the country needs to do things to maintain the things that makes America "unique", and to take care of it's own best interest, and if that means "closing certain doors", then that's what we should do.

Second, the part of Libertarian that appeals to me, is to limit the influence the government has on the lives of it's citizens. Be that 2nd Admendment rights, Legalizing Drugs, or any of the other areas where the individual citizen should have the right to live as they see fit, without the intrusion of government on those rights. If I'm not hurting anybody with my actions, then why should the government tell me my actions are wrong? Basically, let people live their lives with miminum government interference.

Third, the Progessive part comes from the understanding that even though the Libertarian part craves the independent, let me live the life I want to, individualism, that it also understand that United States functions best as a community, and as a community we must understand to some degree we must be our "brother's keepers" and it's not all about "me and mine", and sometimes the best way to effect that is by government intervention. Certainly trade agreements for example, should reflect not's just what's best for Wall Street, but also what effect it has on Main Street, and to the American worker. Unfortunately, that hasn't been done for quite some time, and people are starting to see the effect that it has had in dividing this country between "the haves" and "the have-nots".

Also, the United States SHOULD have a health care system that is not only affordable, but also provide a decent level of service. And this is something, that the insurance and pharmicutical companies will never provide, as they have made "health care" more about "making money", than in providing a "needed service".

Basically, my politics don't fall into any one, single, neat catagory. If it was dog, it would be a "mutt". Also I don't believe politics is left or right. If anything it's a circle, you go far enough left or right and you'll end up on the other side.

"But Smiley said in a news release issued later Friday: “Contrary to what has been suggested, I have decided to clear some things off my plate so that I can devote my time and attention to some exciting and empowering projects … this summer, this fall and beyond.”"

From what I understand that the "public face" that Smiley is putting on his resignation. But from what I've read from other sources, Smiley is "deeply hurt" by many in the black community turning on him for his criticism of Obama. It's seems to me that many of Obama's supporters have a "scorched earth" policy towards those that disagee with them. Its sad that Smiley was made to feel like an "outsider" in the African-American community, especially considering all that he has done has an advocate for that community. But anymore I guess "political correctness" and "being on the right bandwagon" is the only important criteria. Agreeing to disagree doesn't seem to be an option, anymore. Of course, that just my way of seeing things.

 
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  posted on 4/13/2008 at 10:06 AM
I think an excellent example of the "bitter" people Obama was talking about, although not in Pennsylvania, is our very own CUH. I'm having a hard time believing the venom spewed at anyone who supports Obama, even those of us on this forum.

Fred, being in favor of seeing a man elected president does not mean you want to marry him. It does not mean you want to follow him anywhere. It does not mean you are hanging on his every word, expecting him deliver the country to Nirvana, nor does it mean you are drinking any Kool-Aid. It just means that out of the 3 candidates running for president, you think he will be the best choice. Nothing more. The rest is all in your head. And here on these pages where you are pouring out your thoughts. I don't think I've seen this kind of behavior in you before, and it is alarming. You really might want to back off and try to figure out what it is that freaks you out about Obama. Is it because he threatens "what keeps America unique?"

 

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