DuaneAllmanFan
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posted on 11/17/2007 at 11:08 AM |
Ok so, last year, i had my mind set on getting a Fender Strat (Mexican) after christmas. My Parents put a little hitch in that plan by getting me a Jackson For Christmas. Now, its an awesome guitar, but its more of a hard rock/metal guitar than a blues guitar. So this year, I have the same plan. After Christmas, get a new guitar. Budget, $450. I would like to spend Less than $400, But I will spend $450. So My Dilemma is, Epiphone vs. Fender. Throughout the fall, I fell in love with the Fender Telecasters. I had my mind set on getting a Mexican standard one. However, I have just started to look at Epiphone's (I can't afford a Gibson right Now). I've been looking at three Different Epiphone's (Les Paul, SG, and Firebird). I was just wondering if anyone has experience playing Epiphone's and could tell me how they match up to a big brand like Fender.
Here Are The guitars Im Looking At:
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crossroads24
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posted on 11/17/2007 at 11:57 AM |
gibson/epiphone vs. fender is kind of a hard thing to compare, there very different instruments. Personally I'm not crazy about epiphones there are better things available for the same money like schecters or hagstroms. The meixican fenders are great for what they are quality wise i think there better than epiphones. but really it's up to what you want, the best way to figure out is to go to Guitar center and try everything out because you dont know till you try. But if your lookin for gibson style check out the new hagstroms, they outpreform guitars twice the cost and the quality is great unfortunatley they arent at guitar center but there are plenty places like local dealers and ebay that have 'em. So good luck!!
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bluesky12
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posted on 11/17/2007 at 01:23 PM |
I use a Fender 60th Anniversary Mexican Strat. It is INSANE!!! I highly recommend it. It was 400 bucks new... and I havent had a problem yet.
I have played Epiphone SG's too, they are good. It all depends what kind of music you want to play.
If you are looking for a bluesy sound go for the Strat.
If you are looking for a more twangy country sound go for the Tele.
If you are looking for a rock/blues sound go for the SG. ____________________
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chasenbluesman
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posted on 11/17/2007 at 02:58 PM |
| don't know where your located but try this site they have some pretty good stuff.www.rondomusic.com ____________________
 
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BIGV
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posted on 11/17/2007 at 03:08 PM |
Here's the unsolicited advice from someone who has owned scores of Guitars in the 35 years I've been playing.....
Do not buy a Mexican Fender or an Epiphone of any type...
They have ZERO Re-Sale Value. Squat ola. Check out E-Bay, There must be Hundreds for sale @ 50% of their original cost. In the $400 price range, you get what you pay for. Save another $400 and buy a Used American Fender or a Gibson. ____________________
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becksbolero
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posted on 11/17/2007 at 11:50 PM |
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Here's the unsolicited advice from someone who has owned scores of Guitars in the 35 years I've been playing.....
Do not buy a Mexican Fender or an Epiphone of any type...
They have ZERO Re-Sale Value. Squat ola. Check out E-Bay, There must be Hundreds for sale @ 50% of their original cost. In the $400 price range, you get what you pay for. Save another $400 and buy a Used American Fender or a Gibson.
as someone who's also been playing for over 35 years and does own scores of guitars i've found the mexican fenders to be excellent instruments. 99% of the time i don't buy a guitar looking at it's resale value - i buy it because i'm going to play it! the craftmanship of the mexican fenders is top notch. i love my mim nashville tele. DAF - don't be afraid to try anything and everything. if it feels good and sounds good and it's a guitar that makes you want to pick it up and play it then go for it and don't let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't buy. happy hunting  ____________________
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RobFilmMusic
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posted on 11/18/2007 at 03:31 AM |
yup, i think you should buy whatever guitar gets you going and feels like it's your guitar.
pick a bunch of guitars in the store in your price range and see what works. It's your guitar and it should feel like it is too. Don't worry about the decal on the headstock or where it was assembled; what's important is if the guitar works for you.
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punknseed
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posted on 11/18/2007 at 06:53 AM |
SG, if it were me. Faded series are a bit less expensive. A little more than $450 though.
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Charlesinator
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posted on 11/18/2007 at 04:22 PM |
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Here's the unsolicited advice from someone who has owned scores of Guitars in the 35 years I've been playing.....
Do not buy a Mexican Fender or an Epiphone of any type...
They have ZERO Re-Sale Value. Squat ola. Check out E-Bay, There must be Hundreds for sale @ 50% of their original cost. In the $400 price range, you get what you pay for. Save another $400 and buy a Used American Fender or a Gibson.
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as someone who's also been playing for over 35 years and does own scores of guitars i've found the mexican fenders to be excellent instruments. 99% of the time i don't buy a guitar looking at it's resale value - i buy it because i'm going to play it! the craftmanship of the mexican fenders is top notch. i love my mim nashville tele. DAF - don't be afraid to try anything and everything. if it feels good and sounds good and it's a guitar that makes you want to pick it up and play it then go for it and don't let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't buy. happy hunting
I tend to agree with the Big V, Beck's although the two main acoustic guitars I play were given to me and I probably couldn't get $10.00 for the both of them. Electrics are a different breed. I'm glad you're happy with your Mexi/Jap/Korean models because you wouldn't be able to get a spot of tea more than what you paid for them if you did sell them. Long as you and DuaneAllmanFan are cool with it. You know those Washburn Derek Trucks and Gregg Allman models used probably would fetch much IMO. ____________________
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becksbolero
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posted on 11/18/2007 at 10:13 PM |
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Here's the unsolicited advice from someone who has owned scores of Guitars in the 35 years I've been playing.....
Do not buy a Mexican Fender or an Epiphone of any type...
They have ZERO Re-Sale Value. Squat ola. Check out E-Bay, There must be Hundreds for sale @ 50% of their original cost. In the $400 price range, you get what you pay for. Save another $400 and buy a Used American Fender or a Gibson.
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as someone who's also been playing for over 35 years and does own scores of guitars i've found the mexican fenders to be excellent instruments. 99% of the time i don't buy a guitar looking at it's resale value - i buy it because i'm going to play it! the craftmanship of the mexican fenders is top notch. i love my mim nashville tele. DAF - don't be afraid to try anything and everything. if it feels good and sounds good and it's a guitar that makes you want to pick it up and play it then go for it and don't let anyone tell you what you should or shouldn't buy. happy hunting
I tend to agree with the Big V, Beck's although the two main acoustic guitars I play were given to me and I probably couldn't get $10.00 for the both of them. Electrics are a different breed. I'm glad you're happy with your Mexi/Jap/Korean models because you wouldn't be able to get a spot of tea more than what you paid for them if you did sell them. Long as you and DuaneAllmanFan are cool with it. You know those Washburn Derek Trucks and Gregg Allman models used probably would fetch much IMO.
if you are buying a guitar as an investment - fine i agree. but DAF is looking to buy a guitar to play!!! as such he should look at every option in his price range. if he buys a mexcan fender, a korean epiphone, a japanese whatever, no one should tell him not to buy something because he won't get any resale value from it. as long as he gets an instrument that he is happy with and enjoys playing who cares where it was built and btw what makes you think he would want to sell it anyway?
one of my mexican strats. i'll put the craftsmanship (and the resale) of this up against any of your american made strats any time.
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BIGV
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I'm glad you're happy with your Mexi/Jap/Korean models because you wouldn't be able to get a spot of tea more than what you paid for them if you did sell them.
If you are buying a guitar as an investment - fine i agree.
one of my mexican strats. i'll put the craftsmanship (and the resale) of this up against any of your american made strats any time.
You got a deal...I'll give you $137.50 for it, Right now. ____________________
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I'm glad you're happy with your Mexi/Jap/Korean models because you wouldn't be able to get a spot of tea more than what you paid for them if you did sell them.
If you are buying a guitar as an investment - fine i agree.
one of my mexican strats. i'll put the craftsmanship (and the resale) of this up against any of your american made strats any time.
You got a deal...I'll give you $137.50 for it, Right now.
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Rusty
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posted on 11/19/2007 at 08:04 AM |
Play the best guitar you can afford - period. If that happens to be an import, there's no shame there.
There was a thread called "How to Sing The Blues" in the Anything goes section a while back. The original topic got bent into a direction more involved with how aristocratic or snob types can't play the blues (Droogie even offered a couple of verses of a blues song from the perspective of an elitist).
I know some mighty fine players that play Epiphones and Mexican Fenders. It's not that those are their axes of choice, it's just what their finances dictate.
It sounds like DuaneAllmanFan is still living at home - possibly a student. Get good grades, bro and maybe your parents will reward you with an Amurican SG or Tele for graduation!  ____________________
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punknseed
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posted on 11/19/2007 at 08:33 AM |
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I'll take you up on that. Mine is a '62 Fender Strat. 
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bluesky12
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posted on 11/19/2007 at 10:30 AM |
I've played my Fender Strat MIM for a while, I ve never had any problems, if anything, most people who hear me play it say its one of the best guitars they have ever heard, and everything is stock.
BTW, I'll Pay 10 bucks for any guitar that is working good if its by a good brand lol. ____________________
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Edge
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posted on 11/19/2007 at 08:11 PM |
| Jorma plays an Epiphone....how bad can they be?????? ____________________
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johnwott
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posted on 11/20/2007 at 03:41 PM |
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Jorma plays an Epiphone....how bad can they be??????
some of the cheaper epiphones have ceramic magnets that tend to whisle and howl.
The fret wire is not quite as heavy as the same Gibson model.
upgrade the pups to duncans on a Epi, and you can get a very nice guitar for a good price.
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Rusty
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posted on 11/20/2007 at 04:09 PM |
| I've got a Sheraton that sounds and plays fine ... all stock! ____________________
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People who believe in music are the happiest people I've ever seen.
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DanB
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posted on 11/22/2007 at 09:38 AM |
Listen to the advice of the above seasoned players. Buy what feels right when playing. I have had a Korean made Fender acoustic for about 18 years and it "feels" great. I can get out of it what I want such as some great tones on Liz Reed.
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Charlesinator
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posted on 11/23/2007 at 10:31 AM |
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Ok so, last year, i had my mind set on getting a Fender Strat (Mexican) after christmas. My Parents put a little hitch in that plan by getting me a Jackson For Christmas. Now, its an awesome guitar, but its more of a hard rock/metal guitar than a blues guitar. So this year, I have the same plan. After Christmas, get a new guitar. Budget, $450. I would like to spend Less than $400, But I will spend $450. So My Dilemma is, Epiphone vs. Fender. Throughout the fall, I fell in love with the Fender Telecasters. I had my mind set on getting a Mexican standard one. However, I have just started to look at Epiphone's (I can't afford a Gibson right Now). I've been looking at three Different Epiphone's (Les Paul, SG, and Firebird). I was just wondering if anyone has experience playing Epiphone's and could tell me how they match up to a big brand like Fender.
Ok, ok, if resale has nothing to do with your equation. Buy the mexi/jap/korean telecaster or the strat IMO. It is your more versatile guitar. First off one thing you should know ... since we are no longer being snobs ... a guitar is a guitar ... one is not more so a "rock/metal" guitar than a "blues" guitar. It isn't so simple as :
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If you are looking for a bluesy sound go for the Strat.
If you are looking for a more twangy country sound go for the Tele.
If you are looking for a rock/blues sound go for the SG.
These are generalizations based as much on looks and stereo type (talking snobish here) as fact. Learning is great as long as it has six strings and twelve notes you should be cool. But after awhile you may want to actually stand out from the crowd. Why can't you play some jammin' blues on a Jackson? Or a Rickenbacker for that matter? One of my pet peeves is that you can't or couldn't go to a bar around here to see a "blues" band and the guitar player not have a strat tuned to E-flat wearing a cowboy hat with conchos doing a lame SRV imitation. I mean if you wanted to imitate one of the three Kings, then wouldn't a hollow body Gibson or V be your obvious choice??? I mean everybody should know that the first two Zeppelin albums were recorded with a tele. Pretty "f"n twangy sound there!
Beck you can put the craftsmanship of your Mexirean whatever against an American made strat anyday, but I happen to notice that you have a quite few very nice American made guitars in your collection. Why is that? Also you could easily sell one of those and buy twenty Mexireans ... maybe thirty next year ... why is that? I'm not ragging on you. I've just found from my own experience (and that of others) that when it comes to musical stuff especially guitars one should get the best because there will come a time when you'll wish you had. Also having more guitars won't make you a better player. It certainly hasn't in my case. Lol! It seems that young Duane is already suffering from GAS. That qualifies him as a guitarist in my book right there. ____________________
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DuaneAllmanFan
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posted on 11/23/2007 at 10:42 AM |
Thanks for all the advice guys. Im going to Guitar Center to Play some guitars tonight. Im just going to buy what sounds right to me.
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becksbolero
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posted on 11/23/2007 at 02:43 PM |
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Beck you can put the craftsmanship of your Mexirean whatever against an American made strat anyday, but I happen to notice that you have a quite few very nice American made guitars in your collection.
charles, yes i do have more than a few nice american made guitars in my collection but i also have more than a few nice japanese and mexican guitars also.
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I've just found from my own experience (and that of others) that when it comes to musical stuff especially guitars one should get the best because there will come a time when you'll wish you had.
i agree with you - and that's what i'm saying, my mexican strat and or tele is as good or better a bang for the buck than some of the american made ones. wood is wood whether it's assembled in mexico the U.S. or the north pole. DAF or anyone for that matter can get an excellent guitar at a resonable cost if they do some looking and aren't hung up on the "american fender is better" b.s.
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Thanks for all the advice guys. Im going to Guitar Center to Play some guitars tonight. Im just going to buy what sounds right to me.
good luck matt. let us know if you find the one .
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posted on 12/14/2007 at 10:47 AM |
| played both.but its not the guitar that rly matters.just go 'round and play everything in sight and when ya find that gutiar that has the perfect feel to it and is gold to your ears you found it ____________________
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posted on 12/15/2007 at 05:30 AM |
If you're really interested in playing a guitar that feels right instead of a brand name go support your local mom & pop shop & stay away from Guitar Center . . . please . . .
Guitar Center really isn't doing you right if you consider that for the price it has not had a set up. And if you want it to continue to play & fell nice that is what you should seek. Whatever your budget is, whatever style of guitar you are looking for (strat, Les Paul, Tele, semi-hollow) you can find a cheaper, well-made off brand with a good set up rather inexpensively. ____________________
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DuaneAllmanFan
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posted on 12/17/2007 at 04:22 PM |
| Hey guys... Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Anyways I went to Guitar Center and played 5 Different guitars. I think i might of found the one. An Epiphone Explorer. I hadnt even thought of playing the guitar. I saw it from a distance and thought it was a Firebird. It turned out it wasnt, but I still played it. Out of every Guitar (Epi LP, SG, Fender Strat, Tele), this one impressed me the most. The guy told me the only difference between the Les Paul and the Explorer was the Shape, but I disagree. The sound on the Explorer was far superior. Thanks everybody for you help. Now I just need to save up the $450... ____________________
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